[2025-02-19T01:53:36Z] <kris_> midfavila yeah i'll probably do that tomorrow
[2025-02-19T01:53:45Z] <kris_> i expected to get an email from them but didn't
[2025-02-19T06:54:07Z] <riteo> guess who's back, for the... I lost count of how many times
[2025-02-19T06:54:31Z] <riteo> hopefully this will be my last big bouncer shutdown, unless my parents kick me out of the house or something
[2025-02-19T06:54:34Z] <sad_plan> lol. welcome back riteo 
[2025-02-19T07:39:51Z] <kris_> gm riteo
[2025-02-19T09:15:45Z] <riteo> ty folks
[2025-02-19T09:15:48Z] <riteo> gm everyone
[2025-02-19T13:45:37Z] <midfavila> gm riteo >:0000
[2025-02-19T13:49:30Z] <riteo> hi mid!!!!!!11111 !! :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd
[2025-02-19T14:22:52Z] <midfavila> 1!!!1!!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!1!11111one
[2025-02-19T14:23:35Z] <riteo> yes
[2025-02-19T14:23:55Z] <riteo> how's life going mid
[2025-02-19T14:27:38Z] <midfavila> well i saw another racist attack yesterday which was cool and fuckin normal
[2025-02-19T14:27:56Z] <midfavila> now im watching EMTs drag people out of a wreck omw to work
[2025-02-19T14:28:05Z] <midfavila> so, you know, same as always
[2025-02-19T14:28:18Z] <midfavila> you?
[2025-02-19T15:17:36Z] <riteo> oof
[2025-02-19T15:18:08Z] <riteo> big things happening all close toghether
[2025-02-19T15:18:50Z] <riteo> just came back from some gradudation parties, starting to distance myself from a certain tg group (no nazis or other things dw, just old friends)
[2025-02-19T15:19:13Z] <riteo> now I'm doing a super crazy wayland protocol manipulation thing to implement a godot thing in the weirdest way possible
[2025-02-19T15:19:25Z] <riteo> and I have an exam in like a month
[2025-02-19T15:19:29Z] <riteo> also I came back sick :DDDDDDDDDD
[2025-02-19T15:21:28Z] <riteo> (the tg thing is like an extreme simplification, it's way more complicated than it sounds)
[2025-02-19T17:24:54Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vy5Y8c_JSk
[2025-02-19T17:24:59Z] <midfavila> rare public transit w in canada
[2025-02-19T17:25:10Z] <midfavila> grats on the graduation
[2025-02-19T17:25:14Z] <midfavila> still going to uni?
[2025-02-19T18:37:11Z] <riteo> yes
[2025-02-19T18:37:31Z] * midfavila nod-nods
[2025-02-19T18:37:35Z] <midfavila> is it free in italy?
[2025-02-19T18:37:37Z] <riteo> I mean I just started
[2025-02-19T18:37:40Z] <riteo> it... depends
[2025-02-19T18:37:44Z] <riteo> from your economical status
[2025-02-19T18:37:47Z] <midfavila> aah
[2025-02-19T18:37:48Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-02-19T18:37:58Z] <riteo> I live in a pretty wealthy family actually so I paid like, full thing
[2025-02-19T18:38:07Z] <midfavila> wow humblebrag :p
[2025-02-19T18:38:09Z] <riteo> although halved for this year because maxed high school
[2025-02-19T18:38:15Z] <riteo> double humble
[2025-02-19T18:38:17Z] <riteo> :P
[2025-02-19T18:38:20Z] <midfavila> but i'm glad you don't have to take out debt 
[2025-02-19T18:38:32Z] <midfavila> it's really rare for people here to be able to afford school, unfortunately
[2025-02-19T18:38:44Z] <riteo> that's a bummer
[2025-02-19T18:38:54Z] <riteo> wealth-dependent stuff is too socialist unfortunately
[2025-02-19T18:39:13Z] <riteo> even fucking tiered taxes are controversial to some here
[2025-02-19T18:39:31Z] <riteo> like, what is so hard to understand that rich people have a lot of excess money?
[2025-02-19T18:39:46Z] <riteo> "ye but they spend more money" yes on super luxury cars and 300 empty houses
[2025-02-19T18:40:42Z] <riteo> also why is trudeau doing public transport
[2025-02-19T18:40:53Z] <midfavila> honestly i don't know 
[2025-02-19T18:40:55Z] <midfavila> but i'll take it
[2025-02-19T18:41:02Z] <midfavila> trudeau has honestly been super based recently somehow
[2025-02-19T18:41:04Z] <midfavila> it's wild
[2025-02-19T18:41:09Z] <midfavila> he's on his cicero ark
[2025-02-19T18:41:11Z] <riteo> maybe got a gut punch or something
[2025-02-19T18:41:19Z] <riteo> maybe other people or the economy looking bad idk
[2025-02-19T18:41:19Z] <midfavila> trump has somehow made a statesman out of trudeau
[2025-02-19T18:41:22Z] <riteo> lmao
[2025-02-19T18:41:37Z] <midfavila> tiered taxes are super controversial here too
[2025-02-19T18:41:38Z] <midfavila> but like
[2025-02-19T18:41:49Z] <riteo> trudeau realized that doing the same thing as trump was a bad idea 
[2025-02-19T18:41:50Z] <midfavila> if i can be completely honest i think that's because most canadians are just stupid?
[2025-02-19T18:41:55Z] <riteo> could see it with his eyes
[2025-02-19T18:41:55Z] <midfavila> not to huff my farts but like
[2025-02-19T18:42:00Z] <midfavila> people legitimately
[2025-02-19T18:42:02Z] <midfavila> *legitimately*
[2025-02-19T18:42:08Z] <midfavila> cannot comprehend the arithmetic behind taxes
[2025-02-19T18:42:12Z] <midfavila> not the laws
[2025-02-19T18:42:14Z] <midfavila> the arithmetic
[2025-02-19T18:42:17Z] <riteo> bruh
[2025-02-19T18:42:29Z] <midfavila> they don't understand that you can't just add provincial and federal tax rates to sales tax to get adjusted income tax
[2025-02-19T18:42:47Z] <midfavila> so you have people who are paying an adjusted income tax of 11% claiming they're paying almost 50% in taxes 
[2025-02-19T18:42:50Z] <midfavila> and it's just...
[2025-02-19T18:42:51Z] <midfavila> fucking stop
[2025-02-19T18:42:59Z] <midfavila> like first of all you have federal basic amounts to claim
[2025-02-19T18:43:04Z] <midfavila> then you have provincial basic amounts
[2025-02-19T18:43:14Z] <midfavila> then you get to write off certain expenses to reduce your taxable income
[2025-02-19T18:43:32Z] <midfavila> and it's only once you have those deductions off that you can determine how much you owe 
[2025-02-19T18:43:36Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-02-19T18:43:48Z] <midfavila> they don't grasp that most of what people spend money on isn't taxable
[2025-02-19T18:43:52Z] <midfavila> like food and rent and shit
[2025-02-19T18:44:17Z] <midfavila> of course when you try to explain this they just call you a liberal crony
[2025-02-19T18:44:23Z] <midfavila> nvm the fact that i'm a fucking communist
[2025-02-19T18:44:43Z] <riteo> lmao
[2025-02-19T18:44:54Z] <riteo> communism is when taxes
[2025-02-19T18:45:08Z] <riteo> no wait I think I did the meme wrong
[2025-02-19T18:45:10Z] <riteo> shit
[2025-02-19T18:45:38Z] <midfavila> no thats accurate for people here
[2025-02-19T18:46:04Z] <midfavila> nvm the fact that if it wasnt for the ccf-ndp, literally a communist party in their early days, this province would be an absolute wasteland
[2025-02-19T18:46:07Z] <midfavila> its so funny
[2025-02-19T18:46:16Z] <midfavila> tommy douglas is considered the greatest canadian and the guy was literally a commie
[2025-02-19T18:46:19Z] <midfavila> through and through
[2025-02-19T18:46:27Z] <riteo> they'll hopefully realize with the america thing going on
[2025-02-19T18:46:35Z] <riteo> as it's already happening I think with trudeau
[2025-02-19T18:46:42Z] <riteo> I mean why else would he do a 180 all of a sudden
[2025-02-19T18:47:00Z] <midfavila> and yet the same people who puff out their chest about how great medicare is as a national achievement and how incredible T.D. was will turn around and lose their fucking mind about even the most basic of socialist policies
[2025-02-19T18:47:24Z] <midfavila> riteo i think it's moreso that for the past year and a half the tories have been shredding the liberals in terms of public perception
[2025-02-19T18:47:35Z] <riteo> there's a level of cognitive dissonance is finally reaching a tipping point
[2025-02-19T18:47:43Z] <riteo> but... but... socialism bad!!!
[2025-02-19T18:47:52Z] <riteo> america told me!
[2025-02-19T18:47:53Z] <riteo> wait
[2025-02-19T18:47:55Z] <riteo> and so on
[2025-02-19T18:47:56Z] <midfavila> nobody likes poillievre but they dislike trudeau more and so to have a candidate come out and start expressing frustration in a public fashion feels vindicating to a lot of people
[2025-02-19T18:48:29Z] <midfavila> and i mean it's less "socialism bad vuvuzela 100 million dead iphone america freedom burger" and more "well actually it's just not practical"
[2025-02-19T18:50:23Z] <riteo> I don't think that explains why people go out of their way to remove things already done
[2025-02-19T18:50:29Z] <riteo> like, it's by definition practical if it has been done for 20 years
[2025-02-19T18:54:59Z] <midfavila> it's because the ruling parties are both liberal 
[2025-02-19T18:55:01Z] <midfavila> small l
[2025-02-19T18:55:19Z] <midfavila> we have the ndp in some small way but they usually don't have enough power to force policies through