[2025-02-23T02:02:50Z] <midfavila> riteo idk 
[2025-02-23T02:02:56Z] <midfavila> i don't get it
[2025-02-23T02:02:57Z] <midfavila> at all
[2025-02-23T02:03:43Z] <midfavila> (what i do find funny tho is that it's way cheaper for me to buy british goods imported to australia and then imported to canada than to buy the same goods imported directly...)
[2025-02-23T02:15:03Z] <kris_> do you guys have takes on email providers
[2025-02-23T02:15:25Z] <kris_> i've been selfhosting one for public facing stuff or for job applications for a while but using protonmail for all of my personal stuff for a while
[2025-02-23T02:15:47Z] <kris_> costs the same amount of money for me to just pay for protonmail premium to get the custom domains, but like two days ago i learned that the proton CEO was sucking up to trump on twitter which puts me off
[2025-02-23T04:05:33Z] <midfavila> yeah proton sucks shit
[2025-02-23T04:05:40Z] <midfavila> they narc too
[2025-02-23T04:05:54Z] <kris_> idk about narc
[2025-02-23T04:06:01Z] <kris_> do you have any thoughts on tutanota
[2025-02-23T04:06:15Z] <kris_> i'm being vareful here because emails generally contain somewhat confidental information obviously
[2025-02-23T04:06:19Z] <kris_> s/vareful/careful
[2025-02-23T04:06:22Z] <midfavila> no, they do. they've released emails before. 
[2025-02-23T04:06:29Z] <midfavila> tuta seems okay
[2025-02-23T04:06:30Z] <kris_> metadata yeah no email content
[2025-02-23T04:06:49Z] <kris_> they did the minimum they could as required by law
[2025-02-23T04:07:00Z] <midfavila> they could have just not
[2025-02-23T04:07:01Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-02-23T04:07:14Z] <kris_> who do you use or do you selfhost
[2025-02-23T04:07:34Z] <kris_> ive been running just a straight up postfix server for a few years but im getting kind of tired of dealing with it
[2025-02-23T04:07:45Z] <midfavila> i use sdf for personal and proton for "PrOfEsSiOnAl" shit
[2025-02-23T04:07:54Z] <midfavila> hoping to change away soon
[2025-02-23T04:07:56Z] <midfavila> from proton i mean
[2025-02-23T04:08:10Z] <kris_> ive been using proton for my personal stuff for like 5 years now but like
[2025-02-23T04:08:16Z] <midfavila> if it's actually confidential i talk to whomever irl in the middle of nowhere
[2025-02-23T04:08:16Z] <kris_> if you suck up to a fascist you're a fascist 
[2025-02-23T04:08:16Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-02-23T04:08:40Z] <kris_> if i have to actually speak to someone confidentially i usually use xmpp
[2025-02-23T04:08:57Z] <midfavila> idk too many loose strings
[2025-02-23T04:09:15Z] <kris_> opsec can be a bit of a beast yeah
[2025-02-23T04:09:17Z] <midfavila> better to drive out in the middle of nowhere, leave everything in the car, walk  250m away and have an actual convo
[2025-02-23T04:09:20Z] <kris_> and xmpp is kinda shitty
[2025-02-23T04:09:35Z] <midfavila> of course if you go full schizo you could have microphones in the seams of your clothes
[2025-02-23T04:09:51Z] <kris_> ..i've actually had that thought a few times.
[2025-02-23T04:09:55Z] <midfavila> so you should probably use ASL just to be safe
[2025-02-23T04:10:08Z] <kris_> i'll just compile my own clothes ezpz
[2025-02-23T04:10:18Z] <midfavila> i mean you might as well these days
[2025-02-23T04:10:26Z] <midfavila> not like it'll cost much more and you'll get a better run of things
[2025-02-23T04:10:28Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-02-23T04:10:33Z] <midfavila> i'm about at that point
[2025-02-23T04:10:52Z] <kris_> honestly ive been wearing mostly the same clothes since i was 14 or so
[2025-02-23T04:10:59Z] <kris_> i'm a small person and didn't grow much past that so no point in replacing them
[2025-02-23T04:11:09Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-02-23T04:11:26Z] <kris_> only recently got a bunch of new shirts but i'm one of those goobers that wears pretty much only metal band shirts
[2025-02-23T04:11:26Z] <midfavila> i figure i'll be wearing my current clothes for a while unless i get super jacked or something
[2025-02-23T04:11:39Z] <midfavila> i mean you're in good company
[2025-02-23T04:11:41Z] <kris_> yeah i gotta start hitting the gym, gotta beat the femboy allegations
[2025-02-23T04:12:02Z] <midfavila> i'm the kind of goober that has three identical copies of the same buttoned shirt and nothing else
[2025-02-23T04:12:08Z] <kris_> dude yes
[2025-02-23T04:12:20Z] <midfavila> >three copies of the same pants
[2025-02-23T04:12:22Z] <kris_> at some point i intend on getting like 10 pairs of just black cargo pants and black t shirts with nothing on them
[2025-02-23T04:12:26Z] <midfavila> >three copies of the same shirt
[2025-02-23T04:12:35Z] <midfavila> >eight sets of identical undergarments
[2025-02-23T04:12:40Z] <kris_> it's meta
[2025-02-23T04:12:41Z] <midfavila> >two identical pairs of boots
[2025-02-23T04:12:48Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-02-23T04:13:01Z] <kris_> eh shoes wise i either wear high top black converse or black timbs
[2025-02-23T04:13:05Z] <kris_> timbs are for when there's snow
[2025-02-23T04:13:07Z] <midfavila> i need to get a new pair of boots actually
[2025-02-23T04:13:30Z] <midfavila> i've settled on solovair. they're cheap enough, easy to get fixed, and good quality for the price
[2025-02-23T04:13:51Z] <kris_> getting my timberland boots was a nightmare
[2025-02-23T04:13:55Z] <midfavila> i'll probably switch to their full grain 11-eye derbies
[2025-02-23T04:14:00Z] <kris_> as i said earlier i'm a small person and i couldnt find any that were small enough
[2025-02-23T04:14:11Z] <kris_> eventually found some womens size ones that fit and ordered them
[2025-02-23T04:14:15Z] <midfavila> check solovair
[2025-02-23T04:14:28Z] <midfavila> they have everything from US3 to like size 14 or 15
[2025-02-23T04:14:29Z] <midfavila> iirc
[2025-02-23T04:14:37Z] <kris_> i'll look the next time i go to get a pair of boots
[2025-02-23T04:14:40Z] <midfavila> yeb
[2025-02-23T04:14:58Z] <kris_> i just also have a thing for everything i wear being just solid black
[2025-02-23T04:15:05Z] <kris_> so that was a bit of a limiting factor 
[2025-02-23T04:15:07Z] <riteo> uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh just opened my client
[2025-02-23T04:15:14Z] <riteo> kris_: posteo working great
[2025-02-23T04:15:26Z] <midfavila> this is now #fashion riteo
[2025-02-23T04:15:31Z] <riteo> 1€/month, no custom domains
[2025-02-23T04:15:32Z] <riteo> crap
[2025-02-23T04:15:42Z] <kris_> yeah custom domain is what im after
[2025-02-23T04:15:45Z] <kris_> gotta have my @kris.sh 
[2025-02-23T04:15:47Z] <riteo> oh I see
[2025-02-23T04:15:51Z] <midfavila> if i wore black i would literally die during the summer
[2025-02-23T04:15:55Z] <kris_> im just over selfhosting email honestly
[2025-02-23T04:15:58Z] <midfavila> it already gets up to 50C+
[2025-02-23T04:16:05Z] <kris_> tuta kinda stinks because you can't use third party clients
[2025-02-23T04:16:14Z] <riteo> ye proton and tuta suck
[2025-02-23T04:16:22Z] <riteo> they are only web-based which is honestly, not very based
[2025-02-23T04:16:29Z] <kris_> i was fine with proton until the twitter event
[2025-02-23T04:16:33Z] <riteo> the what
[2025-02-23T04:16:40Z] <kris_> he was sucking up to trump on twitter
[2025-02-23T04:16:44Z] <midfavila> apparently the ceo sucks up to- yeah
[2025-02-23T04:16:45Z] <kris_> and then defending it and gaslighting people on reddit
[2025-02-23T04:16:48Z] * riteo *skull*
[2025-02-23T04:16:52Z] <kris_> and its kinda like okay you're a braindead techbro
[2025-02-23T04:16:55Z] <kris_> im out
[2025-02-23T04:17:00Z] <midfavila> i mean 
[2025-02-23T04:17:04Z] <midfavila> the writing was on the wall tbf
[2025-02-23T04:17:34Z] <midfavila> i should probably look at self-hosting 
[2025-02-23T04:17:46Z] <midfavila> i've been meaning to lease a vps from sdf anyway
[2025-02-23T04:17:50Z] <kris_> fwiw this is fine in my opinion https://github.com/LukeSmithxyz/emailwiz
[2025-02-23T04:17:57Z] <kris_> if you dont wanna do it manually
[2025-02-23T04:18:00Z] <kris_> assuming you're okay with using debian
[2025-02-23T04:18:01Z] <midfavila> wait until you watch his videos
[2025-02-23T04:18:03Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2025-02-23T04:18:12Z] <kris_> ive seen all of his videos lol
[2025-02-23T04:18:31Z] <kris_> some of them are based, some of them are not
[2025-02-23T04:18:32Z] <midfavila> did you see the one where he shows off his tree farm
[2025-02-23T04:18:38Z] <kris_> let'
[2025-02-23T04:18:43Z] <kris_> let's see what happens if i punch this tree*
[2025-02-23T04:18:49Z] <midfavila> :V
[2025-02-23T04:19:04Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaa fuck
[2025-02-23T04:19:29Z] <kris_> i'm not a fan of debian so this script is a nogo for me until i stop being lazy and "port" it to void
[2025-02-23T04:20:37Z] <riteo> oh no luke smith
[2025-02-23T04:20:39Z] <midfavila> yeah debian is weh
[2025-02-23T04:20:52Z] <kris_> i still have one debian install around hosting my searxng unfortunately
[2025-02-23T04:21:09Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-02-23T04:21:16Z] <kris_> gradually getting rid of that and alpine 
[2025-02-23T04:21:19Z] <kris_> i have a lot of installs
[2025-02-23T04:21:25Z] <riteo> wait why no alpine
[2025-02-23T04:21:28Z] <midfavila> replace them all with kiss
[2025-02-23T04:21:39Z] <kris_> riteo i don't want to stir shit up but i'm not confident in alpine
[2025-02-23T04:21:59Z] <riteo> you stirred it when you said no alpine :P
[2025-02-23T04:22:03Z] <riteo> I'm curious now
[2025-02-23T04:22:25Z] <kris_> the packaging is kinda low quality and i've had systems break on update too many times because something slipped under the radar despite it being a stable release
[2025-02-23T04:22:35Z] <kris_> and i **really** do not like openrc
[2025-02-23T04:22:58Z] <kris_> as for debian the packaging is just outright low quality
[2025-02-23T04:23:25Z] <riteo> that's interesting
[2025-02-23T04:23:26Z] <kris_> everything i actually care about and/or needs to be stable long term i keep on void
[2025-02-23T04:23:32Z] <riteo> and what do you use for servers then
[2025-02-23T04:23:33Z] <riteo> void?
[2025-02-23T04:23:35Z] <kris_> ye
[2025-02-23T04:23:48Z] <riteo> I see
[2025-02-23T04:23:55Z] <kris_> for networking stuff i use a mixture of openbsd and freebsd at the moment
[2025-02-23T04:23:56Z] <riteo> I never really looked into void before
[2025-02-23T04:23:59Z] <kris_> eliminating freebsd in favor of openbsd though
[2025-02-23T04:24:17Z] <riteo> oh it has its own package management system
[2025-02-23T04:24:32Z] <kris_> i could ramble on for hours about amazing decisions the void team has made
[2025-02-23T04:24:54Z] <kris_> the only issue i have with it is that they're still on musl 1.1.24
[2025-02-23T04:25:06Z] <kris_> albeit with like 25 patches lol, its like a weird hybrid 1.1.* and 1.2.5 compatible build
[2025-02-23T04:25:15Z] <kris_> glibc is up to date though if you're cool with using glibc
[2025-02-23T04:25:28Z] <riteo> how do they handle both libs?
[2025-02-23T04:25:34Z] <kris_> separate repos
[2025-02-23T04:25:37Z] <riteo> oh all right
[2025-02-23T04:25:42Z] <riteo> kinda expensive though
[2025-02-23T04:25:51Z] <kris_> they have infra covered :p
[2025-02-23T04:26:05Z] <riteo> who pays
[2025-02-23T04:26:09Z] <kris_> and despite the fact that void is a rolling release you shouldn't expect it to be super up to date
[2025-02-23T04:26:18Z] <kris_> https://voidlinux.org/acknowledgments/
[2025-02-23T04:26:24Z] <kris_> ^ for who pays
[2025-02-23T04:26:49Z] <riteo> nice
[2025-02-23T04:27:27Z] <riteo> I guess I could try it next time I setup a server
[2025-02-23T04:27:30Z] <midfavila> something something your mom pays
[2025-02-23T04:27:32Z] <midfavila> something something
[2025-02-23T04:27:35Z] <riteo> I wonder how does it handle diskless stuff though
[2025-02-23T04:27:36Z] <kris_> it's really more of a desktop OS
[2025-02-23T04:27:43Z] <kris_> i'm in a bit of a minority using it for servers as well
[2025-02-23T04:28:07Z] <kris_> also, unlike alpine, voids kernel is actually fairly hardened
[2025-02-23T04:28:07Z] <riteo> oh I see
[2025-02-23T04:28:17Z] <kris_> alpine tends to just disable LSMs for no valid reason
[2025-02-23T04:28:33Z] <kris_> on void basically all of them are enabled
[2025-02-23T04:28:38Z] <kris_> just no selinux support
[2025-02-23T04:29:32Z] <riteo> ye that's a bit weird
[2025-02-23T04:29:36Z] <kris_> but yeah despite being a rolling release the focus is really more on stability, and there is no real structure to it
[2025-02-23T04:29:42Z] <kris_> "loosely directed anarchy"
[2025-02-23T04:29:47Z] <kris_> people work on what they wanna work on when they wanna work on it
[2025-02-23T04:30:26Z] <riteo> nice
[2025-02-23T04:30:31Z] <riteo> as it should be
[2025-02-23T04:31:20Z] <kris_> also xbps-src is insane, it's basically its own container solution for building packages
[2025-02-23T04:31:37Z] <kris_> you can treat void like something like gentoo if you'd like to as well, tools for that exist
[2025-02-23T04:46:20Z] <riteo> oh that's a bit like my immaginary distro
[2025-02-23T04:46:33Z] <riteo> damn i should really let it stop being immaginary
[2025-02-23T04:46:51Z] <kris_> ive been thinking about forking kiss to have it build inside of containers
[2025-02-23T04:49:55Z] <riteo> if you have the means and the time, do
[2025-02-23T04:51:41Z] <kris_> id probably end up just building inside of a regular old chroot, serves its purpose to keep the host clean of build deps
[2025-02-23T04:52:00Z] <kris_> right now i'm being filtered by getting a working build of elogind though
[2025-02-23T05:08:22Z] <riteo> how do you install the packages then?
[2025-02-23T05:08:32Z] <riteo> just copy the package cache to the host?
[2025-02-23T05:30:33Z] <kris_> yeah, makes the most sense
[2025-02-23T05:30:49Z] <kris_> every transaction you unpack a prebuilt rootfs tarball with make dependencies already built, so you only have to compile those once unless they're out of date
[2025-02-23T05:31:02Z] <kris_> chroot into it, build there, pull the package out
[2025-02-23T05:31:06Z] <kris_> and then destroy the env
[2025-02-23T08:01:45Z] <midfavila> lookin at grocery prices in vancouver
[2025-02-23T08:02:04Z] <midfavila> found a few nice little bulk places where you just bring your own container for rice or w/e
[2025-02-23T08:02:15Z] <midfavila> but ofc it's like five times the price of a regular store!
[2025-02-23T08:02:22Z] <midfavila> 10$ for a kilo of white rice!
[2025-02-23T08:02:27Z] <midfavila> absolute highway robbery
[2025-02-23T08:05:41Z] <kris_> midfavila that's ridiculous
[2025-02-23T08:05:52Z] <midfavila> ikr
[2025-02-23T08:06:07Z] <midfavila> i want to save the planet as much as the next guy, probably more, but like
[2025-02-23T08:06:12Z] <midfavila> i'm not fucking made of money holy shit
[2025-02-23T08:06:17Z] <midfavila> the going rate is 2$ a kilo
[2025-02-23T08:06:46Z] <midfavila> i won't pay a fucking cent more unless there's damn good reason 
[2025-02-23T08:06:58Z] <midfavila> and even then 3$ a kilo is the limit
[2025-02-23T08:07:09Z] <midfavila> it's the same deal with oats
[2025-02-23T08:07:18Z] <midfavila> 1-2$ a pound, no more
[2025-02-23T08:07:43Z] <midfavila> er
[2025-02-23T08:07:44Z] <midfavila> kilo
[2025-02-23T08:08:01Z] <midfavila> it's really frustrating too because the store i'm looking at otherwise has some okay deals
[2025-02-23T08:08:24Z] <midfavila> but then you see shit like that and it's just aaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-02-23T08:11:38Z] <midfavila> oh shit it's 0215
[2025-02-23T08:11:41Z] <midfavila> i should sleep
[2025-02-23T15:53:46Z] <riteo> it's funny that they're actually saving money too probably
[2025-02-23T15:54:30Z] <riteo> like, a huge big bag of rice definitely weighs less than, dunno, 30 boxes of paper with plastic bags inside
[2025-02-23T15:54:44Z] <riteo> so they pay less and you pay more for... less?
[2025-02-23T16:14:51Z] <midfavila> basically
[2025-02-23T16:14:55Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-02-23T16:35:56Z] <asimov> yo yo yo guys
[2025-02-23T16:36:02Z] <asimov> back again in kiss
[2025-02-23T17:29:52Z] <riteo> wahoooooo
[2025-02-23T17:29:57Z] <riteo> welcome back asimov