[2025-03-03T01:20:15Z] <asimov> hi guys
[2025-03-03T01:20:31Z] <asimov> someone have a solution for mouting mtp devices in alpine?
[2025-03-03T01:28:07Z] <kris_> asimov gvfs-mtp ?
[2025-03-03T02:32:56Z] <asimov> is that for gnome?
[2025-03-03T02:33:29Z] <asimov> i read about it and i think it is
[2025-03-03T02:39:59Z] <kris_> it's not really "for" anything, it's for gvfs based file managers primarily
[2025-03-03T02:40:12Z] <kris_> so things like thunar, nemo, nautilus, basically everything that isnt dolphin
[2025-03-03T02:48:42Z] <asimov> i just need something simple and that works in cli
[2025-03-03T13:28:01Z] <asimov> hi guys
[2025-03-03T13:28:23Z] <asimov> riteo:  are you using mdev or udev?
[2025-03-03T13:28:53Z] <asimov> i still trying to figure out why my pipewire don't work on kiss for screencasting but works on alpine
[2025-03-03T13:29:11Z] <asimov> and the unique big difference is the device manager
[2025-03-03T16:08:28Z] <sewn> lol
[2025-03-03T16:09:56Z] <kris_> is lol a person with their hands up
[2025-03-03T16:10:22Z] <kris_> asimov portals are working right?
[2025-03-03T16:41:11Z] <asimov> kris_: kinda
[2025-03-03T16:41:17Z] <asimov> the problem is in pipewire core
[2025-03-03T16:41:27Z] <asimov> portal-wlr says that
[2025-03-03T16:49:14Z] <asimov> kris_: can you test this repo by sewn https://codeberg.org/sewn/kiss-dbus?
[2025-03-03T16:49:20Z] <asimov> if it works for you
[2025-03-03T16:49:23Z] <sewn> hey what no
[2025-03-03T16:49:32Z] <sewn> https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/kiss-dbus thank you very much
[2025-03-03T16:49:50Z] <asimov> community is outdated
[2025-03-03T16:49:51Z] <sewn> oh nvm my 
[2025-03-03T16:49:57Z] <sewn> my pr to update portals isnt even merged
[2025-03-03T16:50:03Z] <sewn> and hasnt been for 3 months
[2025-03-03T16:50:08Z] <sewn> and testuser isnt here
[2025-03-03T16:50:09Z] <sewn> ffs
[2025-03-03T16:50:26Z] <sewn> my PR is also probably out of date fyi
[2025-03-03T16:50:50Z] <sewn> also kris_, asimov just has a bunch of unsolvable and seemingly undebuggable issues
[2025-03-03T16:51:00Z] <sewn> it works for everyone else but kiss doesnt like asimov for some reason:(
[2025-03-03T16:51:19Z] <asimov> yeah kinda
[2025-03-03T16:51:37Z] <asimov> i just dont know how this shit works in every other distro but not in kiss
[2025-03-03T16:51:55Z] <asimov> but maybe i getting something wrong or forgetting something
[2025-03-03T16:52:14Z] <kris_> hey, i mean, that is part of the fun
[2025-03-03T16:52:25Z] <kris_> probably just some build flag set and/or not set somewhere
[2025-03-03T16:54:04Z] <asimov> nah
[2025-03-03T16:54:09Z] <asimov> i think is more deeper
[2025-03-03T16:54:13Z] <midfavila> nah it's definitely not part of the fun lol
[2025-03-03T16:54:32Z] <asimov> or people here just are building too much things other than repo or community
[2025-03-03T16:54:34Z] <midfavila> one of the things i don't miss about kiss is staying up until 0400 trying to troubleshoot obscure errors nobody else has ever had
[2025-03-03T16:54:56Z] <kris_> yeah that's why i'm still running void
[2025-03-03T16:55:06Z] <kris_> it's fun until you need to get something done
[2025-03-03T16:55:16Z] <asimov> i think its fun
[2025-03-03T16:55:19Z] <midfavila> i keep meaning to work on my distro more but things keep popping up and giving me an excuse to not
[2025-03-03T16:55:23Z] <asimov> but not in this case lol
[2025-03-03T16:55:26Z] <midfavila> well it's not that it's not good to do actually stuff
[2025-03-03T16:55:31Z] <midfavila> i used kiss all throughout college
[2025-03-03T16:55:40Z] <midfavila> it's just setting it up in the first place that sucks 
[2025-03-03T16:55:55Z] <asimov> i think setting up just the best part
[2025-03-03T16:56:01Z] <midfavila> once you have a stable system that runs just the way you like, there's not much else that compares
[2025-03-03T16:56:01Z] <asimov> the problem is these errors
[2025-03-03T16:56:06Z] <midfavila> but actually getting to that point is a pain
[2025-03-03T16:56:22Z] <midfavila> idk maybe i care too much about stuff lol
[2025-03-03T16:56:29Z] <asimov> alpine for me is good but this dev packages shit are not good
[2025-03-03T16:56:36Z] <kris_> >care too much
[2025-03-03T16:56:38Z] <midfavila> i get super stressed out if i even have like, harfbuzz on my machine
[2025-03-03T16:56:39Z] <kris_> we all do, thats why we're here
[2025-03-03T16:56:57Z] <asimov> need thousand of dev dependencies just to build dwl and customize
[2025-03-03T16:57:00Z] <kris_> i get stressed out by some things as well
[2025-03-03T16:57:11Z] <kris_> my last OCD episode was pretty bad and that was most of it though
[2025-03-03T16:57:15Z] <kris_> all is well now
[2025-03-03T16:57:21Z] <midfavila> yeah kiss is the ocd distro i think
[2025-03-03T16:57:31Z] <midfavila> for better or worse
[2025-03-03T16:57:35Z] <midfavila> semi-related
[2025-03-03T16:57:44Z] <asimov> well
[2025-03-03T16:57:50Z] <midfavila> i'm thinking i might get back into programming again and one of the projects on the table is patching links2 to use libtls
[2025-03-03T16:57:59Z] <asimov> i think i will wait for glaucus get better
[2025-03-03T16:58:00Z] <midfavila> would any of you care to help review possible patches?
[2025-03-03T16:58:07Z] <kris_> honestly the main thing that trips me out now is using glibc, i fucking hate glibc
[2025-03-03T16:58:10Z] <asimov> or make my on distro in the time
[2025-03-03T16:58:12Z] <midfavila> use musl
[2025-03-03T16:58:13Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-03-03T16:58:17Z] <kris_> but i'm fine on desktop for that now because i just compiled newer musl on void
[2025-03-03T16:58:17Z] <midfavila> with musl-compat
[2025-03-03T16:58:20Z] <kris_> since they're still on 1.1.24
[2025-03-03T16:58:25Z] <asimov> maybe work in my own distro than kiss will give me better results
[2025-03-03T16:58:32Z] <midfavila> the only thing i want to use that can't work with musl is cde
[2025-03-03T16:58:42Z] <kris_> asimov i dont think the two concepts are different
[2025-03-03T16:58:44Z] <midfavila> but like, it's cde, so go fucking figure. needs more work 
[2025-03-03T16:58:49Z] <asimov> midfavila patchs of what?
[2025-03-03T16:58:51Z] <kris_> the only thing kiss gives you really is the package manager
[2025-03-03T16:58:56Z] <kris_> and some reference build scripts
[2025-03-03T16:59:14Z] <midfavila> asimov i'm going to try and patch the links2 web browser to use libtls 
[2025-03-03T16:59:20Z] <midfavila> so that you can build it without libre/openssl
[2025-03-03T16:59:25Z] <kris_> i reference primarily alpine build scripts when trying to get shit working on kiss
[2025-03-03T16:59:31Z] <kris_> right now the main issue for me is elogind
[2025-03-03T16:59:34Z] <midfavila> afaik links is the only software i use that demands libressl
[2025-03-03T16:59:55Z] <midfavila> so if i can just patch it then i can replace libre with bearssl
[2025-03-03T17:00:15Z] <midfavila> https://sourceforge.net/projects/cdesktopenv/
[2025-03-03T17:00:19Z] <midfavila> but man could you imagine cde on kiss
[2025-03-03T17:00:21Z] <midfavila> that would be hot
[2025-03-03T17:00:27Z] <midfavila> nscde is good but it's not the same
[2025-03-03T17:00:29Z] <asimov> kris_: why need elogind?
[2025-03-03T17:01:06Z] <kris_> some things i use just need it
[2025-03-03T17:01:10Z] <kris_> i'm not happy about it but that's how it is
[2025-03-03T17:01:24Z] <asimov> yeah
[2025-03-03T17:01:32Z] <kris_> i use a handful of things from the systemd project, most notably their efistub and ukify
[2025-03-03T17:01:33Z] <asimov> i just need portals to work too
[2025-03-03T17:01:36Z] <kris_> until i write a replacement for ukify
[2025-03-03T17:01:39Z] * midfavila puts a watergun to kris_'s head
[2025-03-03T17:01:45Z] <asimov> the rest i can deal later with packaging or flatpak
[2025-03-03T17:01:46Z] <midfavila> do you feel lucky punk
[2025-03-03T17:01:56Z] <kris_> :3
[2025-03-03T17:02:01Z] <midfavila> must, comin' in here with your loginds
[2025-03-03T17:02:08Z] <midfavila> i bet you use pulse audio or pipewire too
[2025-03-03T17:02:17Z] <kris_> i use the shit out of pipewire because i use the shit out of wayland
[2025-03-03T17:02:25Z] <kris_> pulse is ass though
[2025-03-03T17:02:37Z] <asimov> i just need pipewire for bluetooth things
[2025-03-03T17:02:39Z] <midfavila> i maintain that alsa is perfectly fine
[2025-03-03T17:02:40Z] <asimov> and portals
[2025-03-03T17:02:41Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-03-03T17:02:45Z] <asimov> but just one works lol
[2025-03-03T17:02:48Z] <midfavila> alsa's docs suck though
[2025-03-03T17:02:52Z] <kris_> midfavila pipewire also handles video on wayland
[2025-03-03T17:02:56Z] <midfavila> >pipewire
[2025-03-03T17:02:57Z] <kris_> you need it for screen capture
[2025-03-03T17:02:58Z] <midfavila> >handles video
[2025-03-03T17:02:59Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-03-03T17:03:01Z] <midfavila> the fuck
[2025-03-03T17:03:03Z] <kris_> yeah its wild
[2025-03-03T17:03:03Z] <midfavila> why
[2025-03-03T17:03:05Z] <kris_> but thats how it is
[2025-03-03T17:03:11Z] <midfavila> that's why i'm sticking with X
[2025-03-03T17:03:16Z] <kris_> i need muh monitors to work
[2025-03-03T17:03:18Z] <asimov> kris_ are you in kiss or void right now?
[2025-03-03T17:03:29Z] <kris_> void, i don't have kiss on anything atm
[2025-03-03T17:03:54Z] <kris_> void is basically my debian
[2025-03-03T17:04:00Z] <kris_> ol' reliable
[2025-03-03T17:04:46Z] <kris_> except i hate that comparison because it's not nearly as unstable or bloated or full of shit packaging
[2025-03-03T17:05:05Z] <midfavila> yeah idk why debian is considered "old reliable"
[2025-03-03T17:05:12Z] <midfavila> every time i've used it, it's been a pain in my ass
[2025-03-03T17:05:17Z] <midfavila> *consistently*
[2025-03-03T17:05:18Z] <kris_> more accurately it's my slackware
[2025-03-03T17:05:27Z] <kris_> yeah debian is a massive pita
[2025-03-03T17:05:38Z] <midfavila> i mean maybe debian was great back when its main competition was like
[2025-03-03T17:05:45Z] <midfavila> yggdrasil gnu/x/linux
[2025-03-03T17:05:53Z] <midfavila> or like
[2025-03-03T17:06:01Z] <midfavila> those linux distros that sat on top of dos
[2025-03-03T17:06:05Z] <midfavila> but now?
[2025-03-03T17:06:06Z] <midfavila> ehh
[2025-03-03T17:06:08Z] <kris_> for what it's worth i'm not using gnome at the moment
[2025-03-03T17:06:09Z] <asimov> and you midfavila?
[2025-03-03T17:06:12Z] <kris_> which is an incredibly rare thing for me
[2025-03-03T17:06:22Z] <asimov> what distro are you using?
[2025-03-03T17:06:28Z] <midfavila> slackware because i'm lazy
[2025-03-03T17:06:30Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-03-03T17:06:39Z] <kris_> slackware just doesnt make much sense to me
[2025-03-03T17:06:46Z] <midfavila> slackware is gomfy
[2025-03-03T17:06:48Z] <kris_> it's only minimal in the package manager department
[2025-03-03T17:06:52Z] <kris_> to the point of being annoying to use
[2025-03-03T17:06:59Z] <midfavila> well yeah that's why i'm working on my own distro 
[2025-03-03T17:07:05Z] <midfavila> bc it does include a crapload of stuff
[2025-03-03T17:07:11Z] <midfavila> but fundamentally slackware is comfy
[2025-03-03T17:07:22Z] <midfavila> if you're super picky you can always install a subset of the standard packages
[2025-03-03T17:07:29Z] <kris_> void is just a really good base for me to kind of turn into something else
[2025-03-03T17:07:36Z] <kris_> i don't use any of their "defaults" really
[2025-03-03T17:07:56Z] <asimov> slack is hard dependent of something? like core utils or libc
[2025-03-03T17:08:03Z] <kris_> they only ship glibc
[2025-03-03T17:08:12Z] <kris_> and im pretty sure only gnu coreutils but coreutils are usually easy to swap
[2025-03-03T17:08:23Z] <midfavila> yeah they use glibc and gnu utils
[2025-03-03T17:08:39Z] * kris_ kinda likes gnu utils
[2025-03-03T17:08:53Z] <kris_> dont get me wrong they're complete shit but everything else kinda is too
[2025-03-03T17:09:12Z] <kris_> im curious about chimeras port of freebsd utils
[2025-03-03T17:09:15Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-03-03T17:09:25Z] <midfavila> suckless utils are great except for when they completely break lol
[2025-03-03T17:09:27Z] <thomas_adam> What about some of these language-specific rewrites of gnu-utils like the Rust one?
[2025-03-03T17:09:36Z] <kris_> id be fine with that situationally
[2025-03-03T17:09:46Z] <kris_> gnu coreutils are fine usage wise the code just sucks
[2025-03-03T17:09:58Z] <midfavila> idk rust entryism still bothers me personally...
[2025-03-03T17:10:10Z] <midfavila> but i haven't kept up with that in recent years
[2025-03-03T17:10:19Z] <kris_> nothing has changed
[2025-03-03T17:10:30Z] <kris_> but i'm a golang shill as opposed to a C shill so 
[2025-03-03T17:11:20Z] <thomas_adam> Right... slap a coroutine around something and call it done.
[2025-03-03T17:11:23Z] <thomas_adam> ;)
[2025-03-03T17:11:48Z] <thomas_adam> libmill is good for that in C.
[2025-03-03T17:12:25Z] <kris_> i just rarely have an excuse to use something that isn't shell honestly
[2025-03-03T17:12:30Z] <kris_> rarely == basically never
[2025-03-03T17:13:28Z] <kris_> my day is going abundantly well so far, i woke up and immediately fell down the stairs
[2025-03-03T17:14:04Z] <thomas_adam> Good Heavens.  Are you OK?
[2025-03-03T17:14:18Z] <kris_> yeah this is like a weekly thing for me
[2025-03-03T17:14:35Z] <thomas_adam> Oh, that doesn't sound pleasant at all.
[2025-03-03T17:14:55Z] <kris_> efficiency, it takes longer to walk down compared to fall down
[2025-03-03T17:15:55Z] <thomas_adam> Sure, joking aside, I presume there's a reason for this though.
[2025-03-03T17:16:15Z] <kris_> yeah the stairs are a hazard
[2025-03-03T18:09:39Z] <sewn> midfavila: pipewire isnt sound only