[2025-03-21T02:40:01Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-03-21T02:57:59Z] <kris_> i concur
[2025-03-21T03:05:06Z] <vulpine> AAAA
[2025-03-21T03:05:13Z] <kris_> AAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-03-21T03:33:09Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-03-21T03:33:11Z] * midfavila dies
[2025-03-21T05:25:12Z] <midfavila> just checked out this little notes application, `nb`, on github
[2025-03-21T05:25:16Z] <midfavila> has lots of neat features bu
[2025-03-21T05:25:18Z] <midfavila> t
[2025-03-21T05:25:19Z] <midfavila> it's fuckn
[2025-03-21T05:25:26Z] <midfavila> a ~27k sloc bash script
[2025-03-21T05:25:29Z] <midfavila> absolutely wild
[2025-03-21T05:25:52Z] <midfavila> unix-notes is ~600 in posix
[2025-03-21T05:30:20Z] <kris_> 27k sloc of bash is 10/10
[2025-03-21T05:30:54Z] <midfavila> it's great
[2025-03-21T05:31:14Z] <midfavila> i'm going through my list of software to check out, finally, and there are some real gems
[2025-03-21T05:31:17Z] <midfavila> but also some real stinkers
[2025-03-21T05:31:43Z] <midfavila> i love it when my "minimalist" software is written in three different languages, demands ten separate libraries, and only compiles with gcc 
[2025-03-21T05:31:51Z] <midfavila> and has like 50k lines of code
[2025-03-21T05:31:53Z] <midfavila> great stuff
[2025-03-21T05:31:59Z] <midfavila> :ok::ok::ok:
[2025-03-21T05:34:11Z] <midfavila> now i'm looking for some tools for plaintext accounting and exact same situation
[2025-03-21T05:34:20Z] <midfavila> i'll probably just go back to doing it all in a spreadsheet
[2025-03-21T05:35:16Z] <kris_> nb has web functionality?
[2025-03-21T05:35:36Z] <midfavila> with like three different browsers at least
[2025-03-21T05:36:53Z] <kris_> i was honestly more wondering why it has web func
[2025-03-21T05:37:10Z] <kris_> i'll have to look into what this is, a bash notes app would be nice since i'm mostly cli now
[2025-03-21T05:37:15Z] <kris_> i had planned on just making one though
[2025-03-21T05:37:19Z] <midfavila> honestly hooking in a simple web browser like w3m or links2 is a good idea imho
[2025-03-21T05:37:36Z] <midfavila> because it lets you piggyback off basic html
[2025-03-21T05:37:45Z] <midfavila> so you can essentially have a personal wiki
[2025-03-21T05:37:47Z] <kris_> ahhh i see, this is 27k sloc because it's a site generator
[2025-03-21T05:37:49Z] <kris_> lol
[2025-03-21T05:37:54Z] <midfavila> among other things
[2025-03-21T05:37:55Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-03-21T05:38:06Z] <midfavila> check out unix-notes
[2025-03-21T05:38:42Z] <midfavila> but yeah my eventual goal is to have all of my software chosen and tweaked and set up just right, *once*, and then just dump an exact copy of my system on all my devices
[2025-03-21T05:38:49Z] <midfavila> sync all my docs and stuff under /home across everything
[2025-03-21T05:38:56Z] <kris_> nixos/gnu guix:
[2025-03-21T05:39:04Z] <midfavila> yeah but those are cringe
[2025-03-21T05:39:05Z] <midfavila> >:C
[2025-03-21T05:39:10Z] <kris_> i know they're cringe 
[2025-03-21T05:39:11Z] <midfavila> i have to be a contrarian 
[2025-03-21T05:39:14Z] <kris_> C:<
[2025-03-21T05:39:23Z] <midfavila> also i doubt either of them would fit on my reform
[2025-03-21T05:39:31Z] <midfavila> it's running off of like an 8gb emmc chip
[2025-03-21T05:39:32Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-03-21T05:39:47Z] <midfavila> even debian is kind of phat for it
[2025-03-21T05:39:54Z] <kris_> debian is bloated af
[2025-03-21T05:39:57Z] <kris_> nobody can change my mind
[2025-03-21T05:40:15Z] <kris_> i'm glad ubuntu is jumping ship to uutils from gnu coreutils 
[2025-03-21T05:40:24Z] <kris_> regardless of what your take on rust may be, it's better
[2025-03-21T05:40:27Z] <midfavila> >rust rewrite
[2025-03-21T05:40:33Z] <midfavila> into the trash it goes
[2025-03-21T05:40:36Z] <kris_> yes but some of the utils are like 6x faster lol
[2025-03-21T05:40:43Z] <kris_> not to mention it's less dogshit quality code
[2025-03-21T05:40:45Z] <kris_> by far
[2025-03-21T05:40:49Z] <midfavila> i literally could not give less of a shit if my `find` implementation is 20x faster
[2025-03-21T05:40:52Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-03-21T05:41:05Z] <kris_> higher quality though :/
[2025-03-21T05:41:12Z] <midfavila> suckless
[2025-03-21T05:41:12Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-03-21T05:41:17Z] <midfavila> good enough for google
[2025-03-21T05:41:18Z] <kris_> >suckless
[2025-03-21T05:41:20Z] <kris_> >look inside
[2025-03-21T05:41:22Z] <kris_> >sucks
[2025-03-21T05:41:27Z] <midfavila> yeah some of it is dogshit
[2025-03-21T05:41:30Z] <kris_> i'm mostly poking at you 
[2025-03-21T05:41:37Z] <midfavila> i really don't like that they use libXft
[2025-03-21T05:41:41Z] <midfavila> for some of their stuff
[2025-03-21T05:41:55Z] <kris_> i'll take uutils over gnu coreutils but i don't really feel pressed to switch coreutil impls
[2025-03-21T05:42:12Z] <midfavila> you can pry my barely functional sbase and ubase forks from my cold dead hands
[2025-03-21T05:42:13Z] <kris_> i mean i *could* just swap to busybox right now if i felt like it but i really don't like having to have two coreutil impls 
[2025-03-21T05:42:45Z] <midfavila> i really should get back to work on my custom userland toh
[2025-03-21T05:42:46Z] <midfavila> tho*
[2025-03-21T05:43:31Z] <midfavila> but a i have so much other stuff i need to work on first
[2025-03-21T05:43:50Z] <midfavila> like figuring out how to get wiringpi or similar to work on my uconsole since upstream doesn't fucking provide source code
[2025-03-21T05:44:05Z] <midfavila> and that's the only way i can get the 4g modem to run
[2025-03-21T05:46:33Z] <kris_> idk i'm pretty cool with the setup ive been using
[2025-03-21T05:46:57Z] <kris_> void + my build of musl + tinyramfs to replace dracut because ick + uki to boot so i can properly secure my boot chain
[2025-03-21T05:47:03Z] <kris_> so still just gnu coreutils
[2025-03-21T05:47:04Z] <midfavila> hey sorry unrelated but do you (or anyone else) know of like, a networking equivalet to `pass`
[2025-03-21T05:47:13Z] <midfavila> i swear to god i came across something like that a while ago
[2025-03-21T05:47:15Z] <kris_> like, a password manager like pass but networked?
[2025-03-21T05:47:18Z] <kris_> gopass comes to mind
[2025-03-21T05:47:29Z] <midfavila> nah like a network manager with the same philosophy
[2025-03-21T05:47:30Z] <midfavila> i guess
[2025-03-21T05:48:17Z] <kris_> i just use dhcpcd
[2025-03-21T05:48:23Z] <kris_> plus iproute commands
[2025-03-21T05:48:31Z] <kris_> and wpa_cli if i need to deal with wifi networks
[2025-03-21T05:49:05Z] <midfavila> normally i do something similar but punching in like five commands to connect to a wireless network on my uconsole isn't something i'm huge on
[2025-03-21T05:49:19Z] <kris_> if wpa_supplicant isnt too bloated for you, wpa_cli should be part of it
[2025-03-21T05:49:20Z] <midfavila> as much as i prefer a physical keeb i'd still like to avoid typing on a thumb board
[2025-03-21T05:49:28Z] <midfavila> yeah i do use it
[2025-03-21T05:49:34Z] <midfavila> it's less of a pain than iwd
[2025-03-21T05:49:35Z] <midfavila> imo
[2025-03-21T05:49:39Z] <kris_> it should stick
[2025-03-21T05:49:42Z] <kris_> if you save the fig
[2025-03-21T05:49:52Z] <midfavila> i could just be misremembering something
[2025-03-21T05:49:54Z] <midfavila> idk
[2025-03-21T05:49:56Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-03-21T05:50:06Z] <kris_> unless you're connecting to multiple networks in which case im not sure
[2025-03-21T05:50:22Z] <kris_> networkmanager + nmtui is unironically probably the route id take in that case lol
[2025-03-21T05:50:46Z] <midfavila> hiss
[2025-03-21T05:50:58Z] <kris_> networkmanager stinks ik but it's pretty simple usage wise
[2025-03-21T05:51:01Z] <midfavila> if i have to i'll write a little TUI using smenu or similar on top of ifconfig wpa etc
[2025-03-21T05:51:07Z] <midfavila> wpa_supplicant
[2025-03-21T05:51:12Z] <kris_> do it
[2025-03-21T05:51:24Z] <kris_> hell i'd use it, i'm about to pick up a thinkpad t480
[2025-03-21T05:51:41Z] * midfavila nods
[2025-03-21T05:51:48Z] <midfavila> i want to learn more about curses programming in the future
[2025-03-21T05:51:49Z] <kris_> still the best laptop ever made imo
[2025-03-21T05:51:55Z] * midfavila coughs in mnt reform
[2025-03-21T05:51:55Z] <kris_> i just use dialog
[2025-03-21T05:52:01Z] <midfavila> dialog is a pain in the ass
[2025-03-21T05:52:05Z] <kris_> absolutely!
[2025-03-21T05:52:09Z] <kris_> but it's powerful and not too bloaty
[2025-03-21T05:52:31Z] <midfavila> i would rather it be less of a PITA 
[2025-03-21T05:52:31Z] <kris_> that's what i use for my void installer, i experimented with whiptail for a little bit and hated it
[2025-03-21T05:52:37Z] <midfavila> yeah whiptail is meh
[2025-03-21T05:52:43Z] <kris_> dialog isnt that complex once you figure out what you can and cant do
[2025-03-21T05:52:51Z] <kris_> and how to solve certain stupid ass issues
[2025-03-21T05:52:57Z] <midfavila> honestly if i sit down and experiment with dialog and i can get some functions to wrap it i'll probably enjoy it more
[2025-03-21T05:53:04Z] <kris_> like for one of my menus i'm piping in a zero width unicode char to fill in gaps
[2025-03-21T05:53:10Z] <kris_> (nobody needs to know that tho)
[2025-03-21T05:53:27Z] <kris_> https://github.com/RileyMeta/Bash-Dialog
[2025-03-21T05:53:31Z] <kris_> this may be useful for you?
[2025-03-21T05:53:34Z] <kris_> the actual docs aren't great imo
[2025-03-21T05:53:38Z] <midfavila> i intend to fiddle with text stuff a lot more since the r01 doesn't have graphical acceleration and so it gets dumped onto the uh
[2025-03-21T05:53:45Z] <midfavila> 1ghz riscv processor
[2025-03-21T05:53:48Z] <midfavila> with everything els
[2025-03-21T05:53:50Z] <midfavila> else*
[2025-03-21T05:54:01Z] <midfavila> god i need to replace the switches on this keyboard
[2025-03-21T05:54:08Z] <midfavila> i'll check that out though
[2025-03-21T05:54:33Z] <midfavila> i guess i should tell you about what i've been meaning to check out for curses more broadly
[2025-03-21T05:54:55Z] <midfavila> i have a copy of goodheart's "unix curses explained" and from what little i've peeked at thus far it seems phenomenal
[2025-03-21T05:55:10Z] <midfavila> you can check out a digital copy on the internet archive for free but it's not hard to find second hand
[2025-03-21T05:55:24Z] <midfavila> really straight-forward. same sort of feeling as TUPE or K&R 
[2025-03-21T05:55:55Z] <midfavila> also it only covers standard curses afaik so no need to worry about picking up bad habits from ncurse
[2025-03-21T05:55:58Z] <midfavila> ncurses
[2025-03-21T05:56:00Z] <midfavila> holy shit
[2025-03-21T05:56:14Z] <midfavila> i swear once i get a pinecil and some spare kalih switches these browns are gone
[2025-03-21T05:57:36Z] <kris_> i havent found an excuse to use my pinecil yet
[2025-03-21T05:57:46Z] <kris_> i use my pinetime all the time though, mostly so i don't miss texts
[2025-03-21T05:58:05Z] <midfavila> honestly i would love to fiddle with tech stuff more but hardware at least is really expensive to get into
[2025-03-21T05:58:08Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-03-21T05:58:30Z] <midfavila> sure you can get those dumb little practice boards but i've never liked those
[2025-03-21T05:58:38Z] <midfavila> same with "recreational" programming
[2025-03-21T05:58:42Z] <midfavila> i like solving real problems 
[2025-03-21T05:58:48Z] <midfavila> i'm lame like that ig
[2025-03-21T05:59:03Z] <midfavila> ...the real problem of getting suckless ii to talk to discord, but still
[2025-03-21T05:59:11Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-03-21T06:01:10Z] <kris_> im surprised you're at all interested in interacting with discord
[2025-03-21T06:01:56Z] <midfavila> my SO uses discord
[2025-03-21T06:02:00Z] <midfavila> that's the only reason i have an account
[2025-03-21T06:02:10Z] <midfavila> i'm working on getting them to move to XMPP 
[2025-03-21T06:02:11Z] <midfavila> slowly
[2025-03-21T06:02:12Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-03-21T06:02:26Z] <midfavila> at that point i'll be deleting it
[2025-03-21T06:02:57Z] <midfavila> it's the same with telegram. one of my best friends uses it and i only talk to him on it and once we set something else up that's going to go too
[2025-03-21T06:03:14Z] <midfavila> then it'll be just xmpp/irc/email and maybe icb
[2025-03-21T06:03:20Z] <midfavila> and i guess usenet
[2025-03-21T06:03:39Z] <kris_> XMPP kinda stinks
[2025-03-21T06:03:43Z] <midfavila> it doe
[2025-03-21T06:03:44Z] <kris_> matrix also kinda stinks
[2025-03-21T06:03:44Z] <midfavila> does
[2025-03-21T06:03:46Z] <kris_> so here i am
[2025-03-21T06:03:54Z] <kris_> i'm not convinced matrix isnt a honeypot to be 100% blunt
[2025-03-21T06:03:57Z] <kris_> but that's probably just me
[2025-03-21T06:03:58Z] <midfavila> irc is nice but it's hard to into for non computer nerds
[2025-03-21T06:04:02Z] <midfavila> i guess
[2025-03-21T06:04:10Z] <kris_> idk it depends
[2025-03-21T06:04:17Z] <kris_> i could just make soju accounts on my vps for whoever i want
[2025-03-21T06:04:20Z] <midfavila> and not having persistence is a deal breaker for some people
[2025-03-21T06:04:20Z] <kris_> at that point they just log in
[2025-03-21T06:04:43Z] <midfavila> oh hrm
[2025-03-21T06:04:46Z] <midfavila> maybe i'll look at that then
[2025-03-21T06:04:53Z] <kris_> soju blows ass i don't recommend it
[2025-03-21T06:04:57Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-03-21T06:04:59Z] <kris_> znc is probably more your style
[2025-03-21T06:05:06Z] <kris_> same thing applies though they just log in
[2025-03-21T06:05:20Z] <kris_> to be clear, soju only "blows ass" because it limits the clients you can use
[2025-03-21T06:05:20Z] <midfavila> >modules
[2025-03-21T06:05:21Z] <midfavila> hiss
[2025-03-21T06:05:33Z] <kris_> goguma for mobile, i'm using weechat on desktop but it isnt well integrated
[2025-03-21T06:06:13Z] <midfavila> i also might just get a bot that has notes or something idk
[2025-03-21T06:06:22Z] <midfavila> but xmpp is okay for 1-1
[2025-03-21T06:06:42Z] <midfavila> i'm going to fiddle with ii+bitblbee+libpurple+purple-plugins-prpl
[2025-03-21T06:06:49Z] <kris_> xmpp is ok
[2025-03-21T06:06:49Z] <midfavila> because miminalism :DDD
[2025-03-21T06:07:02Z] <kris_> i used it for a bit, hosted a server for my discord friends
[2025-03-21T06:07:08Z] <kris_> they hated it, especially because there are no decent clients for ios
[2025-03-21T06:07:14Z] <kris_> and that's like 70% of them so
[2025-03-21T06:07:37Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-03-21T06:07:48Z] <midfavila> honestly it's their fault for being apple babis
[2025-03-21T06:07:50Z] <midfavila> babies
[2025-03-21T06:07:52Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-03-21T06:08:42Z] <kris_> yeah but it's whatever because i want to talk to them
[2025-03-21T06:08:51Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-03-21T06:09:17Z] <midfavila> hey btw speaking of software do you know of a decent cli audio player that doesn't depend on ffpmeg and doesn't have a bajillion options?
[2025-03-21T06:09:30Z] <midfavila> i've been looking for ages and i'm having a hell of a time
[2025-03-21T06:09:38Z] <midfavila> the best option thus far seems to be mus
[2025-03-21T06:09:39Z] <kris_> why no ffmpeg
[2025-03-21T06:10:08Z] <midfavila> because hueg 
[2025-03-21T06:10:12Z] <kris_> i use cmus personally but on void the packages are super fucking split up
[2025-03-21T06:10:18Z] <kris_> so i don't install the ffmpeg stuff with it
[2025-03-21T06:10:26Z] <kris_> i just install the flac stuff and leave it there
[2025-03-21T06:10:31Z] <kris_> since thats my whole library
[2025-03-21T06:10:40Z] <kris_> the make depends are kinda wild though
[2025-03-21T06:10:50Z] <kris_> https://github.com/void-linux/void-packages/blob/master/srcpkgs/cmus/template
[2025-03-21T06:12:07Z] <midfavila> woa
[2025-03-21T06:12:14Z] <midfavila> yeah i'm deffo gonna stick with mus for now then
[2025-03-21T06:12:20Z] <midfavila> it's like
[2025-03-21T06:12:41Z] <midfavila> libao, socat, flock, ed, and one or more of libflac, vorbisfile, or opusfile
[2025-03-21T06:12:51Z] <kris_> idk cmus is just so small that i really dont mind it
[2025-03-21T06:12:57Z] <kris_> and it's the only thing ive found that works well
[2025-03-21T06:13:12Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-03-21T06:13:17Z] <kris_> but mostly my personal requirement is that it *has* to be a local music player, no mpd type shit
[2025-03-21T06:13:22Z] <kris_> like no server/client shenanigans
[2025-03-21T06:13:30Z] <midfavila> you wouldn't like mus then
[2025-03-21T06:13:35Z] <midfavila> it's like a stripped down mpd
[2025-03-21T06:13:45Z] <kris_> i just point my cmus at my server over sftp and "stream" flacs like that
[2025-03-21T06:13:55Z] <midfavila> >not ftps
[2025-03-21T06:13:58Z] <midfavila> judging you 
[2025-03-21T06:14:09Z] <kris_> why do i keep hearing that from people lmfao
[2025-03-21T06:14:15Z] <midfavila> contrarianism
[2025-03-21T06:14:36Z] <midfavila> and also why would you make an entire separate mode for ssh when you could just wrap ftp in tls
[2025-03-21T06:14:40Z] <kris_> cmus also has this though https://github.com/Arkq/cmusfm
[2025-03-21T06:14:48Z] <kris_> which i doubt you care about this
[2025-03-21T06:15:27Z] <midfavila> >libcurl
[2025-03-21T06:15:31Z] <midfavila> definitely not
[2025-03-21T06:15:47Z] <kris_> hey i mean
[2025-03-21T06:15:50Z] <kris_> i packaged it for kiss :p
[2025-03-21T06:15:56Z] <midfavila> one of my main goals is getting rid of libre/openssl 
[2025-03-21T06:16:02Z] <kris_> good luck lol
[2025-03-21T06:16:03Z] <midfavila> so curl is out of the question
[2025-03-21T06:16:07Z] <midfavila> it's honestly not hard for me
[2025-03-21T06:16:14Z] <midfavila> the only software i regularly use that depends on it is links2
[2025-03-21T06:16:19Z] <midfavila> and i want to patch it to use libtls
[2025-03-21T06:16:24Z] <midfavila> so it can link against bearssl
[2025-03-21T06:16:40Z] <midfavila> i've been tinkering on and off for a while now with my own simple http client that does the same too
[2025-03-21T06:16:47Z] <midfavila> so no need for wget/curl/axel/aria/etc
[2025-03-21T06:17:12Z] <kris_> my impulsive thoughts: write a music player in bash
[2025-03-21T06:17:14Z] * kris_ loves bash
[2025-03-21T06:17:22Z] <midfavila> use bourne or rc
[2025-03-21T06:17:34Z] * midfavila turn his nose up at you
[2025-03-21T06:17:43Z] <kris_> meh right now my main project is unfortunately adding btrfs support to my void installer against my better judgement
[2025-03-21T06:17:43Z] <midfavila> scheme and forth are also acceptable
[2025-03-21T06:17:49Z] <kris_> people have successfully annoyed me enough to do it
[2025-03-21T06:17:51Z] <midfavila> why btrfs?
[2025-03-21T06:17:53Z] <midfavila> oh
[2025-03-21T06:17:54Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-03-21T06:17:55Z] <kris_> shit you tell me 
[2025-03-21T06:17:58Z] <midfavila> i haven't used it in years
[2025-03-21T06:18:02Z] <midfavila> i only really use xfs and nilfs
[2025-03-21T06:18:04Z] <kris_> i don't want it, i think it's unstable, slow, and bloated
[2025-03-21T06:18:12Z] <kris_> and if i did want a fs like that id use zfs
[2025-03-21T06:18:33Z] <midfavila> honestly i don't get the appeal of zfs
[2025-03-21T06:18:36Z] <midfavila> at all
[2025-03-21T06:18:37Z] <kris_> but i just use xfs everywhere and add lvm if i'm raiding and stuff
[2025-03-21T06:18:45Z] <kris_> *always* with luks
[2025-03-21T06:18:49Z] <midfavila> i get that it's Enterprise:tm: and Scalable:tm: but why not just use hammer2
[2025-03-21T06:18:59Z] <kris_> i dont think hammer2 is well supported on linux
[2025-03-21T06:19:03Z] <kris_> if at all
[2025-03-21T06:19:03Z] <midfavila> i'm pretty sure dropbox uses hammer2
[2025-03-21T06:19:05Z] <midfavila> i mean it's not
[2025-03-21T06:19:13Z] <midfavila> but i would be fine with more people using bsd
[2025-03-21T06:19:22Z] <kris_> nobody is going to use dragonfly
[2025-03-21T06:19:27Z] <kris_> like that's just unrealistic
[2025-03-21T06:19:40Z] <midfavila> i dailied it for a while
[2025-03-21T06:19:43Z] <midfavila> i'm a somebody
[2025-03-21T06:19:48Z] <midfavila> at least to my friends
[2025-03-21T06:19:50Z] <midfavila> qwq
[2025-03-21T06:19:58Z] <kris_> idk i tried to daily freebsd for a while and couldn't stand it
[2025-03-21T06:20:08Z] <kris_> openbsd would work out for me pretty well if it had an actual hypervisor and wayland support
[2025-03-21T06:20:22Z] <midfavila> good luck with the latter
[2025-03-21T06:20:33Z] <kris_> ah they're not that far off
[2025-03-21T06:20:41Z] <kris_> people are using sway on openbsd now but it's far from in a good state
[2025-03-21T06:20:43Z] <midfavila> i can't see them switching away from xenocara officially
[2025-03-21T06:20:56Z] <midfavila> even now i can't go five minutes without one of my friends bitching at me about wayland lol
[2025-03-21T06:21:03Z] <midfavila> maybe in another ten years 
[2025-03-21T06:21:07Z] <kris_> if wayland never becomes a first class thing on openbsd i'm not going to take openbsd seriously on desktop
[2025-03-21T06:21:17Z] <midfavila> meh
[2025-03-21T06:21:27Z] <midfavila> i still maintain that mgr would be really nice
[2025-03-21T06:21:43Z] <kris_> i dunno
[2025-03-21T06:21:48Z] * kris_ is a sway shill
[2025-03-21T06:21:54Z] <kris_> although wlroots kinda sucks
[2025-03-21T06:22:03Z] <midfavila> mgr is only like 300k lines of code or something
[2025-03-21T06:22:14Z] <midfavila> and it runs in about as many kb of memory
[2025-03-21T06:22:44Z] <kris_> idk sway is pretty on point for me with how many features and otherwise i want it to have
[2025-03-21T06:22:50Z] <kris_> the only thing it's missing is single window capture via its portal
[2025-03-21T06:22:56Z] <kris_> which should be sorted sooner than later
[2025-03-21T06:23:20Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-03-21T06:23:28Z] <midfavila> i don't think i'll ever touch wayland on my own machines
[2025-03-21T06:23:33Z] <midfavila> zero reason for me to care about it
[2025-03-21T06:23:38Z] <midfavila> at all
[2025-03-21T06:23:45Z] <kris_> i mean, depending on what kind of hardware you end up with in the future
[2025-03-21T06:23:50Z] <midfavila> nah
[2025-03-21T06:23:55Z] <kris_> i was semi okay with x11 until i got displays that vary in refresh rate
[2025-03-21T06:23:56Z] <midfavila> i'm not upgrading any more
[2025-03-21T06:23:59Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-03-21T06:24:12Z] <midfavila> i used to have four displays all with separate aspect ratios and resolutions and refresh rates
[2025-03-21T06:24:14Z] <kris_> given my side monitor is 60hz and my main is 240hz id like them to both work as expected
[2025-03-21T06:24:15Z] <midfavila> it was fine
[2025-03-21T06:24:28Z] <sewn> kris_: I never had these issues on X
[2025-03-21T06:24:37Z] <sewn> I have a similar setup and it worked nicely
[2025-03-21T06:24:39Z] <kris_> if you don't run vsync then it's not a problem generally
[2025-03-21T06:24:41Z] <midfavila> like i keep hearing about these things and it really just screams edge case to me
[2025-03-21T06:24:44Z] <kris_> it's situational
[2025-03-21T06:24:55Z] <kris_> like on gnome i used to force both displays to run at the framerate matching my highest refresh rate monitor
[2025-03-21T06:24:58Z] <kris_> which causes screen tearing
[2025-03-21T06:24:59Z] <midfavila> like one of my apple baby frens always goes off about fractional scaling but
[2025-03-21T06:25:02Z] <midfavila> i just use bitmap fonts
[2025-03-21T06:25:07Z] <midfavila> they're nicer anyway
[2025-03-21T06:25:09Z] <kris_> on mate i used to just use picom with no vsync on one display
[2025-03-21T06:25:11Z] <kris_> which causes screen tearing
[2025-03-21T06:25:33Z] <midfavila> scalable fonts are always super blurry and blehhh
[2025-03-21T06:25:41Z] <kris_> i couldnt tell you what my fonts are tbh
[2025-03-21T06:25:53Z] <midfavila> i used to use clearsans 
[2025-03-21T06:26:09Z] <midfavila> but now i unironically just use x11 fixed
[2025-03-21T06:26:14Z] <kris_>     font-family: monospace;
[2025-03-21T06:26:16Z] <kris_>     font-size: 13px;
[2025-03-21T06:27:36Z] <sewn> kris_: fc-match monospace
[2025-03-21T06:27:49Z] <kris_> DejaVuSansMono.ttf: "DejaVu Sans Mono" "Book"
[2025-03-21T06:28:05Z] <kris_> TIL about that command
[2025-03-21T06:32:09Z] <midfavila> btw you might like btpd
[2025-03-21T06:32:18Z] <midfavila> it's very much in the vein of all this
[2025-03-21T06:33:47Z] <sewn> I honestly thought that was a mental disorder
[2025-03-21T06:33:55Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-03-21T06:33:58Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2025-03-21T06:34:05Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-03-21T06:34:17Z] <midfavila> but no it's a suckless bittorrent client
[2025-03-21T06:34:20Z] <midfavila> it's pretty nice
[2025-03-21T06:34:20Z] <sewn> oh a past contributor of kiss made it
[2025-03-21T06:34:23Z] <sewn> but its dead
[2025-03-21T06:34:31Z] <midfavila> it's still usable
[2025-03-21T06:34:32Z] <sewn> I guess its fine bittorrent doesn't change anyway
[2025-03-21T06:34:55Z] <sewn> midfavila: I'd call it simple, not suckless
[2025-03-21T06:34:57Z] <midfavila> the main challenge is that some torrent seeds want tls and it doesn't have tls but that's something i'd like to take a crack at
[2025-03-21T06:35:00Z] <kris_> btpd?
[2025-03-21T06:35:06Z] <kris_> bittorrent protocol daemon im guessing
[2025-03-21T06:35:08Z] <kris_> or something
[2025-03-21T06:35:09Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-03-21T06:35:33Z] <midfavila> sewn: suckless endorses it 
[2025-03-21T06:35:37Z] <midfavila> so
[2025-03-21T06:35:40Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-03-21T06:35:41Z] <sewn> I dont really care
[2025-03-21T06:35:49Z] <sewn> it is still a simple program
[2025-03-21T06:35:53Z] <kris_> i just use rtorrent
[2025-03-21T06:36:09Z] <kris_> which honestly isnt the most stable thing in the world but it's better than qbit overall
[2025-03-21T06:36:13Z] <midfavila> i'm not gonna argue with you about whether something that suckless endorses is sufficiently suckless lmao
[2025-03-21T06:36:19Z] <midfavila> it's too late for me to do that
[2025-03-21T06:36:22Z] <midfavila> i'm getting old sewn
[2025-03-21T06:36:23Z] <sewn> I'm not saying its not suckless
[2025-03-21T06:36:31Z] <sewn> I'm saying its not worth being labeled it, suckless is shit
[2025-03-21T06:36:56Z] <sewn> I might start using this
[2025-03-21T06:37:04Z] <midfavila> suckless is mostly fine
[2025-03-21T06:37:13Z] <midfavila> some of their stuff is garbo tho
[2025-03-21T06:37:20Z] <sewn> I dont torrent anymore, what do you guys use it for - also no suckless is just a bunch of asshat hypocrites
[2025-03-21T06:37:33Z] <midfavila> i agree by and large
[2025-03-21T06:37:43Z] <kris_> ive just never found anything by them that i thought was particularly useful
[2025-03-21T06:37:51Z] <kris_> i know a lot of people swear by dwm but i can't stand it for a multitude of reasons
[2025-03-21T06:37:57Z] <midfavila> i don't like dwm either
[2025-03-21T06:38:00Z] <midfavila> i mostly use like
[2025-03-21T06:38:08Z] <kris_> st isnt the worst thing but foot is far better
[2025-03-21T06:38:12Z] <midfavila> their coreutils and sdhcp and stuff
[2025-03-21T06:38:18Z] <midfavila> i don't touch their gui stuff
[2025-03-21T06:38:20Z] <kris_> i am curious about sinit tho
[2025-03-21T06:38:32Z] <midfavila> i'll be fiddling with sinit in my custom distro
[2025-03-21T06:38:49Z] <midfavila> likely just adapt kiss' baseinit to it at first
[2025-03-21T06:38:56Z] <midfavila> go from there
[2025-03-21T06:39:09Z] <kris_> runit is honestly the absolute peak of init to me
[2025-03-21T06:39:35Z] <sewn> same
[2025-03-21T06:40:05Z] <sewn> but since I moved to chimera I found dinit quite nice, its like a modern day supervision suite that doesn't sacrifice on convenience
[2025-03-21T06:40:12Z] <sewn> *ahem* s6 *ahem*
[2025-03-21T06:40:35Z] <kris_> i just don't want something like dinit because in the end i'm going to be using it to "bootstrap" shell scripts anyway because that's just how i wanna use my computer
[2025-03-21T06:40:51Z] <midfavila> you would probably like sinit 
[2025-03-21T06:40:57Z] <sewn> also kris_ as ive contributed to great st patches and used it for 3 years, moving to foot was singlehandedly the best decision ive made
[2025-03-21T06:40:59Z] <kris_> but i do usually suggest that to systemd users who want to try something else but don't want to deal with running their system "manual mode"
[2025-03-21T06:40:59Z] <midfavila> afaik that's all it really does
[2025-03-21T06:41:07Z] <kris_> yeah foot is literally *the* shit
[2025-03-21T06:41:10Z] <sewn> its so much more modern and actually innovates
[2025-03-21T06:41:11Z] <kris_> best terminal ive ever used by far
[2025-03-21T06:41:19Z] <midfavila> mfw i just use xterm
[2025-03-21T06:41:26Z] <sewn> it makes up terminal sequences for tui applications and participates in their standardization
[2025-03-21T06:41:42Z] <sewn> works with other terminal emulators too to ensure stuff works
[2025-03-21T06:42:03Z] <sewn> it doesn't even use Cairo!!! and its literally the fastest terminal emulator!!
[2025-03-21T06:42:03Z] <kris_> its just the best balance of featured / fast to me
[2025-03-21T06:42:25Z] <kris_> no bully but i tried out ghostty for a little bit
[2025-03-21T06:42:29Z] <kris_> (couldn't fucking stand it)
[2025-03-21T06:42:34Z] <sewn> i wouldn't even say its balanced I would say the author knows how to add shit without weighing the program down too much
[2025-03-21T06:42:37Z] <sewn> yeah fuck ghostty
[2025-03-21T06:42:42Z] <sewn> would rather use xterm
[2025-03-21T06:42:48Z] <kris_> i like gnome-console, hot take
[2025-03-21T06:42:52Z] <kris_> far better than gnomes old term
[2025-03-21T06:43:01Z] <kris_> but i dont have gnome on any machines atm
[2025-03-21T06:43:04Z] <kris_> only full DE i'm a fan of
[2025-03-21T06:43:30Z] <sewn> wait how do you like that but not ghostty
[2025-03-21T06:43:46Z] <kris_> it just seemed not necessary to me
[2025-03-21T06:44:12Z] <kris_> i just didn't really love configuring it 
[2025-03-21T06:44:21Z] <midfavila> what about cde tho
[2025-03-21T06:44:22Z] <midfavila> it's comfy
[2025-03-21T06:44:29Z] <kris_> im also interested in their weird like imgui-esque debug menu
[2025-03-21T06:44:35Z] <kris_> hell it might *be* imgui
[2025-03-21T06:44:41Z] <kris_> takes me back to my days of working on cs:go cheats
[2025-03-21T06:44:52Z] <kris_> i havent actually looked at the source to find that out though
[2025-03-21T06:45:25Z] <sewn> midfavila is there a way I can try cde without suffering
[2025-03-21T06:45:27Z] <kris_> midfavila nah gnome is the only DE that isn't unstable as hell and has wayland support
[2025-03-21T06:45:51Z] <kris_> plus the workflow is peak as far as DEs go for me
[2025-03-21T06:46:08Z] <midfavila> sewn netbsd packages it, could spin it up in qemu
[2025-03-21T06:46:16Z] <kris_> pretty sure freebsd has good support for it as well
[2025-03-21T06:46:24Z] <sewn> freebsd is a frankenstein
[2025-03-21T06:46:27Z] <kris_> i havent tried netbsd before, might need to
[2025-03-21T06:46:38Z] <midfavila> netbsd is fine
[2025-03-21T06:46:43Z] <midfavila> it just werks
[2025-03-21T06:46:46Z] <sewn> also I will try netbsd for that
[2025-03-21T06:46:57Z] <sewn> the contributors are cute and aren't middle aged balding men
[2025-03-21T06:47:09Z] <kris_> i just use void for everything i possibly can
[2025-03-21T06:47:27Z] <kris_> albeit, openbsd for networking uses
[2025-03-21T06:49:47Z] <sewn> void is old chimera is the good stuff :3c
[2025-03-21T06:50:16Z] <midfavila> i should probably fiddle with bsd for networking stuff but i just use openwrt
[2025-03-21T06:50:18Z] <kris_> ive been following chimeras development for a while
[2025-03-21T06:50:33Z] <kris_> can't say i'm really all that into it
[2025-03-21T06:50:57Z] <kris_> it's definitely interesting but not really my style
[2025-03-21T06:51:12Z] <kris_> q66 is cool though, not sure about the rest of the community
[2025-03-21T06:51:15Z] <sewn> once you try it you'll understand !!
[2025-03-21T06:51:22Z] <kris_> i imagine given she's in charge it's pretty chill
[2025-03-21T06:51:25Z] <sewn> the rest of the community are cute
[2025-03-21T06:51:40Z] <kris_> sewn i have tried it
[2025-03-21T06:51:44Z] <sewn> when I tried chimera initially I didnt like it
[2025-03-21T06:51:48Z] <kris_> i don't like dinit and i feel weird about the whole microsofting my malloc shit
[2025-03-21T06:51:58Z] <sewn> I gave it a second chance and tried to study the components
[2025-03-21T06:51:59Z] <kris_> i get that it's objectively superior to mallocng but that just hits me the wrong way
[2025-03-21T06:52:07Z] <sewn> yeah well what can you do about mimalloc lol
[2025-03-21T06:52:10Z] <kris_> one thing i am closely following though is turnstile
[2025-03-21T06:52:12Z] <sewn> not like there's a better option
[2025-03-21T06:52:20Z] <kris_> i just run mallocng on my musl build
[2025-03-21T06:52:24Z] <sewn> yes turnstile is an important component
[2025-03-21T06:52:31Z] <sewn> kris_: you can switch out mimalloc for mallocng
[2025-03-21T06:52:36Z] <sewn> in chimera
[2025-03-21T06:52:41Z] <kris_> actually "my musl build" isnt anything special at all, it's just vanilla musl
[2025-03-21T06:52:48Z] <kris_> because void is still on 1.1.24 i just updated it myself for my systems
[2025-03-21T06:57:26Z] <kris_> sewn imagine a world where chimera uses runit
[2025-03-21T06:58:29Z] <sewn> I actually can't imagine
[2025-03-21T06:58:38Z] <sewn> runit is simple but it isn't for the modern desktop
[2025-03-21T06:58:47Z] <sewn> imo
[2025-03-21T06:59:02Z] <sewn> you can make it work but it will lack certain handy features
[2025-03-21T06:59:15Z] <kris_> honestly i haven't found anything it's missing for me personally 
[2025-03-21T06:59:22Z] <kris_> which is kinda the thing with that, i don't want an init system to do more than this
[2025-03-21T06:59:23Z] <sewn> but for most people runit is good
[2025-03-21T06:59:25Z] <sewn> its enough
[2025-03-21T06:59:37Z] <kris_> i could definitely make just stringing together some shell scripts work
[2025-03-21T06:59:44Z] <sewn> for people who want refined service control with dependency management they use runit
[2025-03-21T06:59:58Z] <sewn> kiss and void have some service files that just not start if a dependency isn't met
[2025-03-21T07:00:01Z] <sewn> essentially a hack
[2025-03-21T07:00:12Z] <kris_> yeah, it just retries on a loop until it succeeds
[2025-03-21T07:00:20Z] <kris_> that's the one "issue" with it but i don't really think it's a real problem
[2025-03-21T07:00:27Z] <sewn> you should give a look at the dinit man page
[2025-03-21T07:00:28Z] <sewn> just for ffun
[2025-03-21T07:00:38Z] <kris_> i may
[2025-03-21T07:00:44Z] <kris_> i looked through the github page
[2025-03-21T07:01:21Z] <sewn> I might look into making an xbps from-source (ironic I know) distro
[2025-03-21T07:01:35Z] <sewn> apk is great but xbps has features apk doesn't have lol
[2025-03-21T07:01:37Z] <kris_> nah i dont think that's ironic
[2025-03-21T07:01:40Z] <kris_> xbps-src is fucking peak
[2025-03-21T07:01:46Z] <sewn> nnnooo
[2025-03-21T07:01:48Z] <sewn> I said xbps
[2025-03-21T07:01:56Z] <sewn> xbps-src is not that notable to me
[2025-03-21T07:02:11Z] <sewn> its just a collection of bash scripts and more bash that make xbps packages
[2025-03-21T07:02:14Z] <kris_> oh i misread what you said
[2025-03-21T07:02:18Z] <kris_> my b it's 2am
[2025-03-21T07:02:31Z] <sewn> that or I make a rewrite of kiss in either zig or go or hare
[2025-03-21T07:02:37Z] <sewn> but I'm just dreaming for now
[2025-03-21T07:02:46Z] * kris_ loves golang
[2025-03-21T07:02:53Z] <sewn> I recently fixed my baby computer and I might get back into it
[2025-03-21T07:03:04Z] <sewn> I love go too but I would not use it for an important system component
[2025-03-21T07:03:08Z] <sewn> I feel like it doesn't fit
[2025-03-21T07:03:12Z] <kris_> kiss is completely valid for me as it already is, i just need to finish packaging some stuff
[2025-03-21T07:03:17Z] <kris_> elogind kicked my ass, i still dont have it working
[2025-03-21T07:03:23Z] <sewn> use turnstile :3
[2025-03-21T07:03:27Z] <kris_> albeit i intend on forking the package manager to have it build in isolation
[2025-03-21T07:03:40Z] <kris_> sewn honestly weirdest thing but i couldnt get my xbox one controller working when i was using only seatd
[2025-03-21T07:03:46Z] <kris_> idk how this part of the system works like at all though so
[2025-03-21T07:04:00Z] <sewn> its because no permissions for that controller kris
[2025-03-21T07:04:06Z] <sewn> you don't have udev setup properly
[2025-03-21T07:04:14Z] <kris_> ...nah, i did
[2025-03-21T07:04:16Z] <sewn> or udevd or mdev or whatever
[2025-03-21T07:04:19Z] <sewn> false information
[2025-03-21T07:04:24Z] <kris_> i just swapped over to elogind and it kicked alive though :c
[2025-03-21T07:04:33Z] <kris_> (on void)
[2025-03-21T07:04:35Z] <sewn>  no way I call cap
[2025-03-21T07:04:43Z] <sewn> it worked fine for me on kiss
[2025-03-21T07:04:50Z] <kris_> see what i mean by weird
[2025-03-21T07:04:56Z] <sewn> bluez and wired
[2025-03-21T07:04:56Z] <kris_> it was probably just a brain moment to be fair this has been like 4 years
[2025-03-21T07:05:06Z] <sewn> 4 years bruh
[2025-03-21T07:05:06Z] <kris_> 3*
[2025-03-21T07:05:11Z] <kris_> yeah i havent explored it since
[2025-03-21T07:05:14Z] <sewn> that's longer than ive used kiss I think
[2025-03-21T07:05:15Z] <kris_> which is why i mentioned watching turnstile closely
[2025-03-21T07:05:31Z] <sewn> (ive been on chimera ever since my PC broke and was on chimera anyway because PC PSU was a bomb)
[2025-03-21T07:05:44Z] <kris_> ive been pretty much void only for 3 years now
[2025-03-21T07:06:01Z] <sewn> you should probabbtl go to sleep
[2025-03-21T07:06:08Z] <kris_> they're the only people i trust to not do something stupid that prompts me to bail
[2025-03-21T07:06:20Z] <kris_> every time i try another distro i just get burnt so it's either void or do it myself
[2025-03-21T07:06:24Z] <kris_> imo anyway
[2025-03-21T07:06:56Z] <kris_> i had a brief few month long stint with alpine and hated my life
[2025-03-21T07:07:54Z] <sewn> what
[2025-03-21T07:07:55Z] <sewn> no way
[2025-03-21T07:07:59Z] <sewn> alpine is great
[2025-03-21T07:08:06Z] <sewn> what wenr weong
[2025-03-21T07:09:58Z] <kris_> mostly i just can't tolerate openrc
[2025-03-21T07:10:22Z] <kris_> and bluntly it doesn't really seem that well tested, i came across quite a few broken packages, and no i can't name any specifically other than when 3.21 shipped with a broken gummiboot-efistub
[2025-03-21T07:10:26Z] <kris_> which isnt really their fault but it was never tested
[2025-03-21T07:10:35Z] <kris_> had i updated my machines would have stopped booting right then
[2025-03-21T07:10:51Z] <kris_> it took weeks for them to fix this unfortunately
[2025-03-21T07:12:43Z] <sewn> yeah I wouldn't use gummiboot
[2025-03-21T07:13:04Z] <sewn> also yeah some packages just stop working but they put out blogs and I guess thats cool
[2025-03-21T07:13:15Z] <sewn> also goodnight midfavila and kris i
[2025-03-21T07:13:17Z] <kris_> nah gummiboot-efistub is specifically the stub you roll into UKIs
[2025-03-21T07:13:22Z] <kris_> i don't use bootloaders
[2025-03-21T07:13:39Z] <kris_> replaced by systemds efistub, which i did successfully package for kiss
[2025-03-21T07:13:50Z] <kris_> but gn
[2025-03-21T07:14:02Z] <midfavila> see you sewn
[2025-03-21T07:14:36Z] <sewn> :'3 !!!!!!
[2025-03-21T07:15:51Z] <midfavila> bruh it's 0115 and my neighbour decided now of all times is great to break out the drill
[2025-03-21T07:16:42Z] <kris_> im just kind of awake because family were yelling at eachother so
[2025-03-21T07:16:50Z] <kris_> i guess im just not going to go to bed
[2025-03-21T07:22:13Z] <kris_> midfavila are you a speaker, headphone, or earbud type
[2025-03-21T07:24:39Z] <midfavila> headphone
[2025-03-21T07:24:50Z] <midfavila> earbuds are shit in terms of audio quality and mucho uncomfy
[2025-03-21T07:24:56Z] <midfavila> speakers would get me evicted 
[2025-03-21T07:25:00Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-03-21T07:25:10Z] <kris_> oh earbuds are absolutely not shit if you get some like 25 usd IEMs
[2025-03-21T07:25:18Z] <kris_> just gotta get specifically chifi IEMs
[2025-03-21T07:25:23Z] <midfavila> earbuds are absolutely shit 
[2025-03-21T07:25:27Z] <kris_> nuh uh
[2025-03-21T07:25:30Z] <midfavila> they never stay in my ears 
[2025-03-21T07:25:33Z] <midfavila> they're uncomfortable
[2025-03-21T07:25:38Z] <kris_> yeah me neither except for a few very specific ones
[2025-03-21T07:25:47Z] <midfavila> most of them now require bluetooth
[2025-03-21T07:25:47Z] <kris_> ofc everyones ears are different so i cant recommend you anything though
[2025-03-21T07:25:52Z] <kris_> nah fuck bluetooth
[2025-03-21T07:25:54Z] <kris_> top 10 worst ideas
[2025-03-21T07:26:03Z] <midfavila> a good pair of headphones will always beat out earbuds
[2025-03-21T07:26:08Z] <kris_> rn i'm using the 7hz x crinacle zero:2
[2025-03-21T07:26:17Z] <midfavila> i have some old mdr 7506 headphones around here somewhere
[2025-03-21T07:26:29Z] <kris_> and *imo* they SHIT on my sennheiser hd598sr, sennheiser hd58x, beyerdynamic amiron home / dt 770 / dt 1770 pro
[2025-03-21T07:26:31Z] <midfavila> i need to get a dremel and drill and stuff and do surgery to fix the cable
[2025-03-21T07:26:33Z] <kris_> for >25 usd
[2025-03-21T07:26:45Z] <kris_> they're just more detailed
[2025-03-21T07:26:48Z] <kris_> less soundstage though
[2025-03-21T07:26:51Z] <kris_> obviously
[2025-03-21T07:27:03Z] <midfavila> for what it's worth i also don't super care about maximum audio quality
[2025-03-21T07:27:11Z] <midfavila> like i don't bother with flac or external audio setps 
[2025-03-21T07:27:11Z] <kris_> neither do i, 
[2025-03-21T07:27:13Z] <midfavila> setups
[2025-03-21T07:27:17Z] * kris_ likes big slapping bass
[2025-03-21T07:27:22Z] <kris_> which is also why i looove IEMs
[2025-03-21T07:27:27Z] <midfavila> i just use mp3s and my xonar stx
[2025-03-21T07:27:31Z] <midfavila> they're fine
[2025-03-21T07:27:31Z] <kris_> speakers make me tweak out though
[2025-03-21T07:27:35Z] <kris_> i can't handle it, it's too stimulating
[2025-03-21T07:27:59Z] <kris_> it's like a toned down version of me hiding and covering my ears on the 4th of july because people start shooting off fireworks like crazy
[2025-03-21T07:28:07Z] <kris_> can't explain why it's just too much
[2025-03-21T07:28:32Z] <kris_> and yeah i only store flacs because they're small and theres no point in archiving lower quality music
[2025-03-21T07:29:36Z] <midfavila> most of what i have i just rip from youtube using invidious so
[2025-03-21T07:29:40Z] <midfavila> flacs aren't really an option
[2025-03-21T07:30:20Z] <kris_> there are services out there with practically no drm like deezer and qobuz
[2025-03-21T07:30:41Z] <midfavila> i doubt what i want would be on there and i'm too poor to pay for that shit lmao
[2025-03-21T07:30:51Z] <midfavila> i don't have 1-2$ for every song i want to listen to
[2025-03-21T07:30:56Z] <kris_> oh i don't uh
[2025-03-21T07:31:02Z] <kris_> i haven't paid for media of any kind in a very long time
[2025-03-21T07:31:16Z] <midfavila> also why would i use those
[2025-03-21T07:31:20Z] <midfavila> legitimate question
[2025-03-21T07:31:28Z] <kris_> genuinely just if you want flacs
[2025-03-21T07:31:32Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-03-21T07:31:56Z] <kris_> i can abx test flac vs 320kbps mp3 on $25 IEMs
[2025-03-21T07:32:00Z] <kris_> and it is something i actively notice
[2025-03-21T07:32:16Z] <kris_> but that doesn't apply to the majority of music, most of it is too poorly made to matter bluntly
[2025-03-21T07:34:03Z] <kris_> i only have 218GiB of music right now though
[2025-03-21T07:34:18Z] <kris_> i used to have like 3x this amount of all flac but i deleted all of it during my last OCD episode
[2025-03-21T07:38:41Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-03-21T07:38:55Z] <midfavila> sorry i'm focusing on getting some stuff for my distro done
[2025-03-21T07:39:07Z] <kris_> oh totally fine dw about it
[2025-03-21T07:39:14Z] <kris_> i probably should do the same
[2025-03-21T07:39:24Z] * midfavila nod-nods
[2025-03-21T07:39:28Z] <kris_> i have such a cute name for my package manager that it's somehow a driving force behind wanting to finish it
[2025-03-21T07:39:36Z] <midfavila> at this point i've given up on getting a full port of kiss on the uconsole so
[2025-03-21T07:39:43Z] <midfavila> i'm just working on my own setup 
[2025-03-21T07:39:56Z] <kris_> yeah im probably going to do a from scratch type of deal
[2025-03-21T07:40:01Z] <kris_> heavily inspired by kiss but rather different
[2025-03-21T07:40:02Z] <midfavila> i've spent literaly months on just trying to get gcc to build and i'm not gonna bang my head against the wall any more lol
[2025-03-21T07:40:13Z] <midfavila> getting it to build natively on riscv is a nightmare
[2025-03-21T07:40:21Z] <kris_> yeah i bet
[2025-03-21T07:59:33Z] <midfavila> okay it's 0200 and i have to get up at 0730 for work
[2025-03-21T07:59:36Z] <midfavila> time for beb
[2025-03-21T07:59:37Z] <midfavila> nini
[2025-03-21T07:59:44Z] <kris_> nini
[2025-03-21T08:20:19Z] <sewn> kris_: I can't hear a diff between mp3 and flac on all of my iems
[2025-03-21T08:21:15Z] <kris_> welcome back sewn
[2025-03-21T08:21:28Z] <kris_> and yeah, it just depends on the specific music in my exp
[2025-03-21T08:21:31Z] <sewn> oh no i was always here I just assumed you two were sleeping
[2025-03-21T08:21:35Z] <kris_> pink floyds dsotm is an obvious example for me
[2025-03-21T08:21:44Z] <kris_> rumors by fleetwood mac too
[2025-03-21T08:22:02Z] <sewn> ive tried on 40$ iems
[2025-03-21T08:22:10Z] <sewn> and two 30$ ones
[2025-03-21T08:22:14Z] <kris_> the ones i abx tested on were the tangzu wan'er
[2025-03-21T08:22:22Z] <sewn> yeah I had that as well
[2025-03-21T08:22:24Z] <kris_> it's shockingly less blatant on my truthear novas but still audible
[2025-03-21T08:22:25Z] <sewn> before it broke
[2025-03-21T08:22:34Z] <kris_> my 7hz x crinacle zero:2 just brokie :c
[2025-03-21T08:22:38Z] <sewn> oh what
[2025-03-21T08:22:47Z] <sewn> ok well how is it
[2025-03-21T08:22:48Z] <sewn> and how did it break
[2025-03-21T08:22:51Z] <kris_> usually these cheapo iems dont last very long for me
[2025-03-21T08:22:57Z] <kris_> driver came loose in the shell, ill try to fix it later
[2025-03-21T08:23:04Z] <sewn> I had that with my waner :0
[2025-03-21T08:23:19Z] <kris_> my wan'er still work they're just irritating to me sound wise
[2025-03-21T08:23:21Z] <sewn> ive tried the cadenza, waner, hola, ew200, and now the vivace I got yesterday
[2025-03-21T08:23:22Z] <kris_> not enough :b:ass
[2025-03-21T08:23:34Z] <kris_> and they don't respond well to eq
[2025-03-21T08:23:48Z] <kris_> albeit nothing does really
[2025-03-21T08:23:49Z] <sewn> for me the waner was good but the ew200 is just fatiguing
[2025-03-21T08:23:59Z] <kris_> my truthear novas just hurt my ears
[2025-03-21T08:23:59Z] <sewn> which thankfully helps me rule out ALOT of iems
[2025-03-21T08:24:03Z] <kris_> i have smol ears
[2025-03-21T08:24:07Z] <kris_> almost all iems hurt
[2025-03-21T08:24:24Z] <sewn> oh wow the nova is expensive
[2025-03-21T08:24:27Z] <kris_> they're usable for like 3 hours max before i have to swap to something else
[2025-03-21T08:24:31Z] <sewn> for me most iems are too small
[2025-03-21T08:24:33Z] <kris_> yeah its the closest harman iem you can buy if you use the foam tips
[2025-03-21T08:24:40Z] <sewn> I'd rather pay less
[2025-03-21T08:24:40Z] <kris_> i do not though because doesnt fit 
[2025-03-21T08:24:45Z] <sewn> I might return my vicace
[2025-03-21T08:25:02Z] <kris_> tbh havent heard of those
[2025-03-21T08:25:04Z] <sewn> its good but its not that much of a difference over my previous truthear holas
[2025-03-21T08:25:08Z] <sewn> vivace*
[2025-03-21T08:25:09Z] <kris_> if i were to buy a set of iems rn itd be the new crinacle blue:2
[2025-03-21T08:25:16Z] <kris_> big bass with that impedance adapter
[2025-03-21T08:25:20Z] <sewn> you just said you got it
[2025-03-21T08:25:24Z] <kris_> nah i have the zero:2
[2025-03-21T08:25:24Z] <sewn> ohhh
[2025-03-21T08:25:30Z] <sewn> oh yeah no those are bad
[2025-03-21T08:25:33Z] <sewn> lol
[2025-03-21T08:25:34Z] <sewn> hm
[2025-03-21T08:25:42Z] <sewn> the vivace fits SO GOOS
[2025-03-21T08:25:48Z] <kris_> the zero:2 sound perfect to me outside of like slightly lacking subbass
[2025-03-21T08:25:49Z] <sewn> but the sound isn't all that difference
[2025-03-21T08:26:01Z] <sewn> I might return it for a kefine klean 
[2025-03-21T08:26:02Z] <kris_> the midbass is flawless to me and the midrange/treble should be exactly how it is on the zero:2 imo
[2025-03-21T08:26:08Z] <sewn> or spend more to get a zero:red or a zero:2
[2025-03-21T08:26:29Z] <kris_> reds are cool, i have a few friends who own those and like them
[2025-03-21T08:26:35Z] <sewn> crinacle recently said the 7hz g1 is basically best budget option rn but its actually close to ew200 in sound but still has more bass
[2025-03-21T08:26:35Z] <kris_> i've considered picking up a pair
[2025-03-21T08:26:37Z] <sewn> not sure about it
[2025-03-21T08:26:49Z] <kris_> his most recent release is the most appealing to me
[2025-03-21T08:26:59Z] <sewn> before that was the vivace by tripowin and 0xdb (korean ytber)
[2025-03-21T08:27:07Z] <sewn> I'd buy a red:2
[2025-03-21T08:27:11Z] <sewn> but the blue idk
[2025-03-21T08:27:16Z] <kris_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItR4R6DVrO4
[2025-03-21T08:27:20Z] <kris_> they're in the same category really
[2025-03-21T08:27:22Z] <kris_> same price range
[2025-03-21T08:27:50Z] <sewn> expensive
[2025-03-21T08:28:35Z] <kris_> little bit 
[2025-03-21T08:28:38Z] <sewn> if you look a Lil back you'll find the vivace and the 7hz g1 in the vids
[2025-03-21T08:28:42Z] <sewn> but these iems last so
[2025-03-21T08:28:47Z] <kris_> i'm moreso looking into buying a t480 right now compared to more iems tbh
[2025-03-21T08:28:48Z] <sewn> might be worth it idk
[2025-03-21T08:28:55Z] <sewn> have you tried any other iems
[2025-03-21T08:29:13Z] <kris_> kbear ks2, kz as10, 7hz x crinacle zero:2, truthear novas, tangzu wan'er
[2025-03-21T08:29:19Z] <kris_> all of the ones ive bought
[2025-03-21T08:29:34Z] <kris_> the as10 being the no doubt worst of the bunch
[2025-03-21T08:29:43Z] <sewn> lmao as expected
[2025-03-21T08:30:11Z] <sewn> did you do your own research on these or did you just watch "top best budget iems"
[2025-03-21T08:30:36Z] <kris_> mostly my own research, they're all ballpark what i'm looking for
[2025-03-21T08:30:42Z] <kris_> the ks2 i bought because i like offensive amounts of bass
[2025-03-21T08:30:44Z] <sewn> oh yeah there are some new budget planar iems which are good but are close to ew200 again
[2025-03-21T08:30:56Z] <kris_> the novas would kick ass if they actually fit me lol
[2025-03-21T08:31:03Z] <sewn> too big or too small
[2025-03-21T08:31:06Z] <kris_> too big
[2025-03-21T08:31:21Z] <kris_> apparently the zero reds are even chonkier so 
[2025-03-21T08:31:29Z] <sewn> buh
[2025-03-21T08:31:29Z] <kris_> i wish there was a place i could go to actually inspect iems in person
[2025-03-21T08:31:33Z] <sewn> I mean
[2025-03-21T08:31:38Z] <sewn> youre in america right
[2025-03-21T08:31:46Z] <kris_> yeppers
[2025-03-21T08:32:01Z] <kris_> i could totally just start refund cycling on amazon
[2025-03-21T08:32:08Z] <sewn> yeah that
[2025-03-21T08:32:24Z] <sewn> what are refund cycling
[2025-03-21T08:32:30Z] <sewn> just buying it to try it out and just return it?
[2025-03-21T08:32:35Z] <kris_> buy iem, hate it, return it for no reason
[2025-03-21T08:32:38Z] <kris_> amazon just lets you do that
[2025-03-21T08:32:49Z] <sewn> AliExpress as well
[2025-03-21T08:33:01Z] <sewn> the blue:2 are only sold by like two people only
[2025-03-21T08:33:10Z] <sewn> which are the truthear official store
[2025-03-21T08:33:11Z] <sewn> lol
[2025-03-21T08:33:19Z] <kris_> yeah we'll see
[2025-03-21T08:33:21Z] <sewn> no other store can sell them weirdly enough
[2025-03-21T08:33:25Z] <kris_> i need to build a new router and buy a laptop at the moment
[2025-03-21T08:33:34Z] <kris_> i finished my 2 years of online uni a bit ago and am about go in person
[2025-03-21T08:33:41Z] <sewn> other iems have like a handful of stores
[2025-03-21T08:33:43Z] <kris_> so thinkpad t480 time
[2025-03-21T08:33:45Z] <sewn> yay
[2025-03-21T08:33:49Z] <sewn> I guess
[2025-03-21T08:33:56Z] <kris_> imo it's peak laptop
[2025-03-21T08:34:25Z] <sewn> meh
[2025-03-21T08:34:38Z] <sewn> ive researched some laptop brands and they might be better
[2025-03-21T08:34:42Z] <sewn> you should look at what was it
[2025-03-21T08:35:03Z] <sewn> laptopwithlinux.com
[2025-03-21T08:35:14Z] <sewn> you can have no engraving!!
[2025-03-21T08:35:19Z] <kris_> yeah a lot of them are pretty sick
[2025-03-21T08:35:25Z] <sewn> there are a bunch of other brands like tuxedo starlabs and alot
[2025-03-21T08:35:32Z] <sewn> ive did my research and they're all overpriced
[2025-03-21T08:35:33Z] <kris_> but t480 in good condition is like 250 usd max and i already have a bunch of laptop ddr4 and a stack of ssds
[2025-03-21T08:35:36Z] <sewn> except for laptopwithlinux.com
[2025-03-21T08:35:43Z] <sewn> you should look at the prices there first!!
[2025-03-21T08:35:44Z] <kris_> plus i intend on doing my own coreboot build for it
[2025-03-21T08:35:49Z] <kris_> will do :p
[2025-03-21T08:35:55Z] <kris_> also thinking about like
[2025-03-21T08:36:08Z] <kris_> libreboot sells thinkpads too that are pre-upgraded wildly enough
[2025-03-21T08:36:21Z] <sewn> ok dang
[2025-03-21T08:36:29Z] <sewn> kris_: and overpriced, very
[2025-03-21T08:36:31Z] <kris_> although i have zero intention of using libreboot because they're kinda hostile towards features i care about
[2025-03-21T08:36:37Z] <sewn> I have a t430 myself but its just so slow
[2025-03-21T08:36:37Z] <kris_> that being uefi, secure boot, even hyper threading
[2025-03-21T08:36:51Z] <sewn> I don't want it anymore, I fixed my PC and I dont want to use this lol
[2025-03-21T08:37:01Z] <sewn> its just too slow for modern web browsing
[2025-03-21T08:37:10Z] <kris_> that kinda surprises me
[2025-03-21T08:37:12Z] <sewn> I can't really sell it nor can I use it as a server
[2025-03-21T08:37:18Z] <kris_> the t480 should be chill tho, 4c8t 4ghz 8th gen intel chip
[2025-03-21T08:37:23Z] <kris_> it's anemic but its not TOO bad
[2025-03-21T08:37:29Z] <sewn> yeah
[2025-03-21T08:37:47Z] <kris_> it also has a hotswappable battery!
[2025-03-21T08:37:50Z] <sewn> I might just idk like sell it to a local tech store for 1/5 the price
[2025-03-21T08:37:53Z] <kris_> internal 24wh one and external 72wh
[2025-03-21T08:38:01Z] <sewn> I bought it at such a good price I think
[2025-03-21T08:38:14Z] <kris_> when did you get it
[2025-03-21T08:38:40Z] <sewn> 122$
[2025-03-21T08:38:53Z] <sewn> kris_: 10 march 2023
[2025-03-21T08:38:59Z] <sewn> it has an nvidia GPU, 900p
[2025-03-21T08:39:12Z] <sewn> its nice and still in good condition but it is just sllloowwww
[2025-03-21T08:39:26Z] <sewn> where I live 122$ for this laptop is an absolute steal
[2025-03-21T08:39:31Z] <sewn> I never find old think pads
[2025-03-21T08:39:39Z] <sewn> when I do its often sold at like 300$
[2025-03-21T08:39:46Z] <sewn> even ancient ones
[2025-03-21T08:39:52Z] <kris_> im guessing you're not in the US
[2025-03-21T08:39:56Z] <kris_> thinkpads are mad cheap on ebay here
[2025-03-21T08:39:58Z] <kris_> and plentiful
[2025-03-21T08:40:20Z] <sewn> yepp,,,
[2025-03-21T08:40:38Z] <sewn> oh my I just hit the bass part of my song
[2025-03-21T08:40:43Z] <sewn> damn these are strong wtf
[2025-03-21T08:42:03Z] <sewn> someone is selling a t440p for 600sar
[2025-03-21T08:42:45Z] <sewn> someone else selling a t480/t490s for just 80sar more
[2025-03-21T08:42:47Z] <sewn> :p
[2025-03-21T08:42:50Z] <sewn> that's stupid
[2025-03-21T08:43:07Z] <kris_> the t480 is the only somewhat rare one here
[2025-03-21T08:43:12Z] <kris_> im watching a bidding war on one rn
[2025-03-21T08:43:26Z] <kris_> ends in 2 days so ill see what price it is then
[2025-03-21T08:43:31Z] <kris_> im gonna guess it lands like 250 usd
[2025-03-21T08:43:47Z] <kris_> the t480 being just 80 more surprises me tho
[2025-03-21T08:43:53Z] <kris_> given it's like a far better machine at least imo
[2025-03-21T08:44:03Z] <sewn> beh
[2025-03-21T19:18:45Z] <phinxy> is there a way to not install gobject-introspection and still statisfy programs wanting it?
[2025-03-21T19:20:00Z] <phinxy> e.g. pavucontrol won't compile without it
[2025-03-21T19:20:21Z] <phinxy> or rather gsettings-desktop-schemas
[2025-03-21T19:21:22Z] <phinxy> (wanted by libproxy)
[2025-03-21T19:21:55Z] <phinxy> doh'! libproxy has introspection option
[2025-03-21T20:21:21Z] <ang1e> yo my friend said the tracking on kisslinux dot org is so inept that it just throws an error.