[2025-04-03T01:32:57Z] <midfavila> i just realised i've been consuming at times over 2g of caffeine per day
[2025-04-03T01:33:01Z] <midfavila> that explains the trouble sleeping
[2025-04-03T01:33:03Z] <midfavila> holy shit
[2025-04-03T01:33:14Z] <kris_> caffeine overdose gang
[2025-04-03T01:33:35Z] <kris_> midfavila my strat might be worse honestly, usually i do similar and then knock myself out with benadryl when it's time to eep
[2025-04-03T01:33:35Z] <midfavila> i need to get decaf or something
[2025-04-03T01:33:47Z] <midfavila> i use sleeping meds too
[2025-04-03T01:33:48Z] <midfavila> . _.
[2025-04-03T01:34:17Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i love it when i'm building gcc and then i get "error 1"
[2025-04-03T01:34:19Z] <midfavila> very helpful
[2025-04-03T01:34:27Z] <kris_> better than ed telling you "?"
[2025-04-03T01:34:33Z] <midfavila> i would rather ed
[2025-04-03T01:34:36Z] <kris_> ed had me punching the air when i was trying to use it for my database library 
[2025-04-03T01:34:38Z] <midfavila> i use ed on a regular basis
[2025-04-03T01:34:49Z] <kris_> ..which is a shell script that forms other shell scripts that set variables which is how you use it as a database
[2025-04-03T01:34:56Z] <midfavila> ? is unironically all you need for something as simple as ed
[2025-04-03T01:34:56Z] <kris_> which is incredibly scuffed but i promise there was a good reason for it
[2025-04-03T01:35:01Z] <midfavila> if you need more, !
[2025-04-03T01:35:06Z] <kris_> i ended up just using sed, ed wasnt capable of what i wanted
[2025-04-03T01:35:11Z] <kris_> sed kinda fucking sucks though
[2025-04-03T01:35:13Z] <midfavila> sounds like ur casul
[2025-04-03T01:35:14Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-04-03T01:35:17Z] <midfavila> babby even
[2025-04-03T01:35:32Z] <kris_> ok then mid lets raise the stakes
[2025-04-03T01:35:35Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/bshdb
[2025-04-03T01:35:40Z] <kris_> if you can port this to ed i'll be more than happy to merge it
[2025-04-03T01:35:52Z] <midfavila> lol i never said i wasn't also
[2025-04-03T01:35:55Z] <kris_> <3
[2025-04-03T01:36:02Z] <midfavila> i'm just being rude
[2025-04-03T01:36:07Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2025-04-03T01:36:15Z] <kris_> this script is unreadable to me now
[2025-04-03T01:36:20Z] <kris_> hopefully i never need to change anything
[2025-04-03T01:36:36Z] * midfavila updates your shell
[2025-04-03T01:36:45Z] <kris_> (it's posix)
[2025-04-03T01:36:53Z] * midfavila updates your posix
[2025-04-03T01:37:00Z] * kris_ grabs a gun
[2025-04-03T01:37:24Z] <kris_> i ended up not using this anyway
[2025-04-03T01:37:36Z] <midfavila> idk why you would when uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[2025-04-03T01:37:38Z] <midfavila> sqlite exists
[2025-04-03T01:37:39Z] <kris_> the original intention was to write a password manager that uses this to write to a luks encrypted file
[2025-04-03T01:37:44Z] <kris_> but then i found out pass exists
[2025-04-03T01:37:46Z] <kris_> so now i just use pass
[2025-04-03T01:37:55Z] <midfavila> p
[2025-04-03T01:37:57Z] <midfavila> o*
[2025-04-03T01:37:58Z] <midfavila> yea
[2025-04-03T01:40:46Z] <kris_> my t480 arrives tomorrow!!
[2025-04-03T01:40:56Z] <kris_> i dont think im going to libreboot it though, think i'm going to just leave it stock
[2025-04-03T01:43:17Z] <kris_> either that or jump down the rabbithole of rolling my own coreboot for it
[2025-04-03T01:44:58Z] <midfavila> fun times ahead
[2025-04-03T01:45:13Z] <kris_> alternatively, cave and use libreboot
[2025-04-03T01:46:03Z] <kris_> i'm definitely way too harsh on this mentality but generally the final decider for whether or not i'll use XYZ software is whether or not i like and/or trust the people involved
[2025-04-03T01:46:20Z] <kris_> ^ as specific as i'm going to be
[2025-04-03T01:46:39Z] <kris_> but yeah, given i intend on using this machine for school, not certain i want to jump down the rabbithole of rolling coreboot manually
[2025-04-03T02:01:58Z] <midfavila> hey unrelated
[2025-04-03T02:02:09Z] <midfavila> have you ever had issues building libbacktrace as part of gcc? 
[2025-04-03T02:03:05Z] <midfavila> building 14.2.0 using 14.2.0 on an x86_64-linux-musl using a native compiler without any cflags or similar that would affect the build and after reviewing all relevant config logs i can't find anything useful other than a possible failure of libtool
[2025-04-03T02:03:22Z] <midfavila> i'm sure it has something to do with my userland but at the same time this is the same set of tools i've used since 2020
[2025-04-03T02:04:01Z] <midfavila> specifically happens when attempting to link `libstdc++_libbacktrace.la` 
[2025-04-03T02:04:09Z] <midfavila> haven't found anything searching online either...
[2025-04-03T02:04:39Z] <kris_> nah that kinda just worked for me
[2025-04-03T02:04:41Z] <kris_> :tm:
[2025-04-03T02:04:53Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-04-03T02:04:58Z] <midfavila> that seems to be a trend with gcc
[2025-04-03T02:05:13Z] <midfavila> it either just works or fails with an obscure error even when using the same env and options
[2025-04-03T02:05:17Z] <midfavila> i love that
[2025-04-03T02:05:17Z] <kris_> mid builds with clang instead eta when
[2025-04-03T02:05:24Z] <midfavila> literally never
[2025-04-03T02:05:40Z] <kris_> yeah me too
[2025-04-03T02:05:53Z] <midfavila> i will wait for mcf's c compiler 
[2025-04-03T02:05:57Z] <kris_> even if there's a reason to i kinda dont like this entire ecosystem wide migration away from gnu personally
[2025-04-03T02:06:07Z] <kris_> like when it makes sense it makes sense but there's not really a group i trust more
[2025-04-03T02:06:20Z] <kris_> ^ makes sense for me means ditching grub and glibc
[2025-04-03T02:06:43Z] <midfavila> i haven't used grub and glibc in ages
[2025-04-03T02:06:52Z] <midfavila> honestly i just fucking hate that people don't stick to standards
[2025-04-03T02:06:55Z] <kris_> yeah i just roll UKIs and boot those directly with UEFI
[2025-04-03T02:07:02Z] <kris_> grub is a fucking nightmare as far as security goes
[2025-04-03T02:07:10Z] <midfavila> whether it's using bashisms in "shell" scripts or GNU C extensions in C without fucking mentioning as such
[2025-04-03T02:07:18Z] <midfavila> like i get it extensions make life a lot easier
[2025-04-03T02:07:27Z] <midfavila> but provide a fallback or at least mark out where the extension is
[2025-04-03T02:07:28Z] <kris_> i mean my router uses grub but thats because i just use openwrt as it comes
[2025-04-03T02:07:35Z] <kris_> i didnt even install any extra packages
[2025-04-03T02:11:41Z] <midfavila> okay i might have just found the issue
[2025-04-03T02:11:51Z] <midfavila> if it is what i think it is i'm gonna be super annoyed at myself
[2025-04-03T02:23:12Z] <midfavila> nope, that wasn't it
[2025-04-03T02:23:14Z] * midfavila sighs
[2025-04-03T02:23:25Z] <midfavila> this is exhausting
[2025-04-03T02:23:39Z] <kris_> tends to be, yeah
[2025-04-03T02:23:42Z] <kris_> i wish i knew how to help
[2025-04-03T02:26:40Z] <midfavila> i have been trying to get this to work since mfing *november*
[2025-04-03T02:26:55Z] <midfavila> and it is the *last* thing i need to get sorted before i can have an MVP for my uconsole
[2025-04-03T02:27:03Z] <midfavila> this is like
[2025-04-03T02:27:06Z] <midfavila> uniquely frustrating
[2025-04-03T02:27:09Z] <midfavila> moreso than kiss usually is
[2025-04-03T06:03:07Z] <sewn> meow