[2025-04-04T04:19:06Z] <kris_> a
[2025-04-04T04:19:31Z] <Guest88> anyone got experience chmod into alpine to grab java?
[2025-04-04T04:35:12Z] <midfavila> b
[2025-04-04T04:35:14Z] <midfavila> hi kris_ 
[2025-04-04T04:35:15Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-04-04T04:39:41Z] <kris_> hi midfavila
[2025-04-04T04:46:57Z] <kris_> been playing with my t480 all day
[2025-04-04T04:47:09Z] <kris_> its a pretty solid laptop
[2025-04-04T04:48:17Z] <midfavila> ooo
[2025-04-04T04:48:18Z] <midfavila> grats
[2025-04-04T04:48:21Z] <midfavila> i have been uh
[2025-04-04T04:48:27Z] <midfavila> playing with my new dishes
[2025-04-04T04:48:55Z] <kris_> based 
[2025-04-04T04:49:03Z] <midfavila> honestly theyre super nice
[2025-04-04T04:49:10Z] <midfavila> enamel ones
[2025-04-04T04:49:24Z] <midfavila> full set of basically everything you would ever need for like 400CAD
[2025-04-04T04:49:40Z] <midfavila> i'll never need to buy more unless i'm getting something obscure = w=
[2025-04-04T04:49:40Z] <kris_> I am going to eat them
[2025-04-04T04:49:49Z] <midfavila> enjoy the taste of glass
[2025-04-04T04:50:16Z] <midfavila> put kiss on the thonkpad
[2025-04-04T04:50:25Z] <kris_> eating glass is a national pastime 
[2025-04-04T04:50:35Z] <kris_> nah its for school so I'd really rather not lmao
[2025-04-04T04:50:44Z] <kris_> void glibc on it
[2025-04-04T04:50:54Z] <kris_> lame ik
[2025-04-04T04:52:36Z] <kris_> batteries for this thing are getting kinda hard to find
[2025-04-04T04:52:42Z] <midfavila> back in MY DAY we used kiss for college
[2025-04-04T04:52:49Z] <midfavila> also yeah that's why i stopped buying thinkpads
[2025-04-04T04:53:02Z] <midfavila> they suck now and also they're expensive because reddit and also it's not even easy to get parts any more
[2025-04-04T04:53:10Z] <kris_> I mean, I got a few things
[2025-04-04T04:53:19Z] <kris_> the t480 is just hot news rn because of libreboot support
[2025-04-04T04:53:23Z] <midfavila> yeah but in a year from now?
[2025-04-04T04:53:24Z] <midfavila> two?
[2025-04-04T04:53:27Z] <midfavila> five?
[2025-04-04T04:53:29Z] <kris_> who knows 
[2025-04-04T04:53:52Z] <kris_> it was cheaper to buy this and two spare batteries now compared to some physically worse laptop for the same price
[2025-04-04T04:53:52Z] <midfavila> should have gotten a reform smdh
[2025-04-04T04:53:56Z] <midfavila> s m d h
[2025-04-04T04:54:01Z] <kris_> 150 USD for the t480 and 70usd on batts
[2025-04-04T04:54:16Z] * midfavila grumbles
[2025-04-04T04:54:21Z] <kris_> 8350u model, 32gb of ram, 1080p IPS display, upgraded dual heat pipe cooler
[2025-04-04T04:54:28Z] <kris_> 500gb sn750 ssd
[2025-04-04T04:55:03Z] <kris_> 70 USD got me a theoretically brand new OEM internal 24wh batt and 72wh external
[2025-04-04T04:55:08Z] <midfavila> yes but consider
[2025-04-04T04:55:11Z] <midfavila> >2000usd
[2025-04-04T04:55:15Z] <midfavila> >4gb of ram
[2025-04-04T04:55:19Z] <midfavila> >16gb emmc
[2025-04-04T04:55:26Z] <midfavila> i think that's a compelling deal
[2025-04-04T04:55:30Z] <kris_> my ass has less than what I spent on this in my bank account rn so I think I did good
[2025-04-04T04:55:44Z] <kris_> and yeah the reform is ridiculously priced 
[2025-04-04T04:55:47Z] <midfavila> ye fair
[2025-04-04T04:55:48Z] <midfavila> also yes
[2025-04-04T04:55:49Z] <midfavila> it is
[2025-04-04T04:55:59Z] <midfavila> i won't lie and say it isn't a luxury purchase lol
[2025-04-04T04:55:59Z] <kris_> and its not powerful enough to be useful for me
[2025-04-04T04:56:49Z] <kris_> but yeah theoretically once my batteries get here I'll have like easily 12hrs of battery life 
[2025-04-04T04:56:49Z] <midfavila> also fair
[2025-04-04T04:56:58Z] <midfavila> that's not bad at all!
[2025-04-04T04:57:05Z] <midfavila> my previous laptop sometimes got up to 27 
[2025-04-04T04:57:13Z] <kris_> I already get 6 or so and the internal 24wh is fried
[2025-04-04T04:57:13Z] <midfavila> was a toughbook
[2025-04-04T04:57:19Z] <kris_> the external 24wh is brand new tho
[2025-04-04T04:57:32Z] <kris_> 27 is nuts
[2025-04-04T04:57:38Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2025-04-04T04:57:51Z] <midfavila> i underclocked the cpu to 800mhz and basically only used text mode :v
[2025-04-04T04:58:22Z] <kris_> oh also this thing has an ax200 in it which makes it the best WiFi I've used in a laptop
[2025-04-04T04:58:29Z] <kris_> pulling 800mbps down off of my AP
[2025-04-04T04:58:58Z] <midfavila> mfw that's 200x faster than my ap total
[2025-04-04T04:59:05Z] <midfavila> i'm glad it works well for you though
[2025-04-04T04:59:13Z] <kris_> I kinda went a little stupid with my home net upgrades 
[2025-04-04T04:59:33Z] <midfavila> nothing wrong with that :P
[2025-04-04T04:59:45Z] <midfavila> brb gotta get ready for bed
[2025-04-04T04:59:49Z] <kris_> only because my father is a goober and won't update from windows 7 :p
[2025-04-04T04:59:51Z] <midfavila> i gotta work tomorrow ughhhhhh
[2025-04-04T04:59:59Z] <kris_> that blows but I'm also jealous
[2025-04-04T05:00:13Z] <midfavila> my boss is trying to get me to interview my coworker's possible replacement 
[2025-04-04T05:00:25Z] <midfavila> and i really don't want to because i enjoy working with him
[2025-04-04T05:00:28Z] <kris_> oh
[2025-04-04T05:00:32Z] <kris_> that actually sucks
[2025-04-04T05:00:36Z] <kris_> why is he being replaced
[2025-04-04T05:01:00Z] <midfavila> because he's been slacking off a lot lately and hasn't improved much in the past year or so according to the boss
[2025-04-04T05:01:08Z] <midfavila> i don't go to the job site so idk how true that is
[2025-04-04T05:01:18Z] <midfavila> but after speaking with my coworker it seems plausible
[2025-04-04T05:01:23Z] <midfavila> he's such a shithead though
[2025-04-04T05:01:31Z] <midfavila> he keeps trying to do this stoic tough guy act 
[2025-04-04T05:01:39Z] <midfavila> even though things are clearly bothering him and he sucks at it
[2025-04-04T05:01:51Z] <midfavila> i wish he would just open up a little :\
[2025-04-04T05:02:12Z] <kris_> I don't get people who constantly act calm
[2025-04-04T05:02:19Z] <kris_> and like, collected and shit
[2025-04-04T05:02:43Z] <midfavila> something something patriarchy something something
[2025-04-04T05:03:09Z] <kris_> idk I only notice it with men
[2025-04-04T05:03:24Z] <kris_> yeah
[2025-04-04T05:03:31Z] <midfavila> yes that's my point
[2025-04-04T05:03:39Z] <midfavila> patriarchal norms fuck over men too lol
[2025-04-04T05:03:44Z] <midfavila> just in a different way 
[2025-04-04T05:03:46Z] <kris_> my message got way too delayed there 
[2025-04-04T05:03:51Z] <midfavila> oh
[2025-04-04T05:03:52Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-04-04T05:03:53Z] <kris_> and yeah it absolutely does
[2025-04-04T05:04:00Z] <midfavila> >muh 800 megabits
[2025-04-04T05:04:19Z] <kris_> >muh vps on the other side of the planet hosting my bouncer
[2025-04-04T05:04:24Z] <kris_> because I don't want stuff on US soil
[2025-04-04T05:04:26Z] <midfavila> >muh muh
[2025-04-04T05:04:30Z] <kris_> fr
[2025-04-04T05:04:54Z] <midfavila> but yeah it's not even like he's a quiet guy he's just absolutely bottling shit up
[2025-04-04T05:05:14Z] <midfavila> when he has to hang around the office he'll follow me around like a little puppy and tell me all about his bibeo bames
[2025-04-04T05:05:17Z] <midfavila> for like hours
[2025-04-04T05:06:04Z] <kris_> idk this "death of masculinity" shit everyone's complaining about seems like a positive to mw
[2025-04-04T05:06:14Z] <midfavila> it absolutely is
[2025-04-04T05:06:16Z] <kris_> s/me/me
[2025-04-04T05:06:20Z] <midfavila> smeme
[2025-04-04T05:06:21Z] <kris_> MW/me
[2025-04-04T05:06:26Z] <kris_> fucking phone keyboard 
[2025-04-04T05:06:34Z] <midfavila> lol imagine phoneposting
[2025-04-04T05:06:37Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-04-04T05:06:47Z] <kris_> and yeah idk I guess all you can do is make sure he knows he can chat if he wants
[2025-04-04T05:07:10Z] <midfavila> mmhr
[2025-04-04T05:07:17Z] <midfavila> i just wish the boss would cut him some slack 
[2025-04-04T05:07:22Z] <midfavila> at least until shit gets figured out
[2025-04-04T05:08:03Z] <midfavila> it's also bullshit to expect anyone to bust their ass working full time when they make barely above minimum wage and don't have any benefits >.>;
[2025-04-04T05:09:32Z] <midfavila> shit it's barely enough to convince me to show up and my job is easy as hell
[2025-04-04T05:09:36Z] <kris_> it is but I feel like we're at the point where you have to bust your ass to have the privilege of having a job at all
[2025-04-04T05:09:50Z] <kris_> which fucking sucks because it's degrading as hell
[2025-04-04T05:09:50Z] <midfavila> he has to go out of town every other week and do construction work
[2025-04-04T05:09:57Z] <kris_> idk capitalism just fucking sucks
[2025-04-04T05:09:59Z] <midfavila> and yet we get paid the same 
[2025-04-04T05:09:59Z] <kris_> etc
[2025-04-04T05:11:06Z] <kris_> I just wonder at what point shit is going to start improving 
[2025-04-04T05:11:06Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-04-04T05:11:09Z] <kris_> assuming it ever does
[2025-04-04T05:11:20Z] <midfavila> it'll start improving when luigi pulls off a shadow clone jutsu
[2025-04-04T05:11:29Z] <kris_> oh how I desire that
[2025-04-04T05:11:50Z] <midfavila> note to CSIS and the CIA, i would never endorse illegal activity
[2025-04-04T05:11:51Z] <kris_> I haven't actually met anyone who isn't a fan of luigi
[2025-04-04T05:12:04Z] <midfavila> that being said luigi is a hero of the people
[2025-04-04T05:12:17Z] <midfavila> and also fuck brian thompson's entire lineage past and present
[2025-04-04T05:12:27Z] <kris_> re: fan of luigi, I bet they do exist
[2025-04-04T05:12:28Z] <midfavila> hope he rots in hell
[2025-04-04T05:13:05Z] <kris_> idk to be that rich whatsoever immediately makes you a shitter to me
[2025-04-04T05:13:12Z] <midfavila> i'm just so tired of seeing more and more people literally falling apart on the street every day while knowing that there are people who can just
[2025-04-04T05:13:20Z] <midfavila> snap their fingers and eradicate world hunger
[2025-04-04T05:13:36Z] <midfavila> and yet they don't
[2025-04-04T05:13:50Z] <kris_> I just fail to see how you could do something like that and not
[2025-04-04T05:13:57Z] <midfavila> go ask elon
[2025-04-04T05:14:00Z] <kris_> like that part doesn't click for me
[2025-04-04T05:14:09Z] <kris_> like you could improve life globally and don't
[2025-04-04T05:14:15Z] <midfavila> he said he would if someone showed him what to do and then someone did and he mysteriously disappeared
[2025-04-04T05:14:48Z] <midfavila> dude doesn't have 6b USD to end world hunger but he has 44b for twitter
[2025-04-04T05:15:07Z] <kris_> I guess he wouldn't be the richest man in the world anymore if his money was suddenly redistributed lol
[2025-04-04T05:15:11Z] <kris_> but 6b is such a joke 
[2025-04-04T05:15:15Z] <midfavila> i hope every single swasticar accelerates itself and its owner directly into a wall and explodes
[2025-04-04T05:15:33Z] <midfavila> dude i was at this rally at the local tesla and the guy who originally organised it was such a fucking loser
[2025-04-04T05:15:40Z] <midfavila> he was libbing it up the entire time
[2025-04-04T05:15:52Z] <kris_> man I just kinda feel bad for the people who bought teslas before it was blatant how much of a POS elon is
[2025-04-04T05:15:59Z] <kris_> and yeah I fucking bet
[2025-04-04T05:16:06Z] <midfavila> "we love tesla elon has done a lot of good this is actually just about him threatening canada and actually all of this is apolitical"
[2025-04-04T05:16:15Z] <midfavila> like no shut the fuck up you actual moron
[2025-04-04T05:16:30Z] <kris_> wait until eventually people find out that there is nothing that *isn't* apolitical
[2025-04-04T05:16:33Z] <midfavila> teslas are known for, again, accelerating into the nearest wall, bursting into flames, and locking their occupants inside to burn to death 
[2025-04-04T05:16:38Z] <kris_> that is*
[2025-04-04T05:16:44Z] <kris_> benadryl kicking my ass
[2025-04-04T05:16:48Z] <midfavila> nothing is political
[2025-04-04T05:16:56Z] <kris_> everything is modern day
[2025-04-04T05:17:01Z] <kris_> even the existence of people 
[2025-04-04T05:17:13Z] <kris_> like trans friends just trying to exist as they are and somehow that's political
[2025-04-04T05:17:14Z] <midfavila> but yeah that guy makes me so mad to think about him
[2025-04-04T05:17:25Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-04-04T05:17:26Z] <midfavila> side note
[2025-04-04T05:17:33Z] <midfavila> elon has always been an outed piece of shit
[2025-04-04T05:17:37Z] <midfavila> for decades
[2025-04-04T05:17:59Z] <midfavila> mfer literally comes from apartheid blood money
[2025-04-04T05:18:08Z] <kris_> I'd never know honestly something has to he pretty major for me to hear about it given no socials
[2025-04-04T05:18:26Z] <kris_> which is kind of a bad thing in a sense
[2025-04-04T05:18:35Z] <kris_> I occasionally get news from like mastodon
[2025-04-04T05:18:36Z] <midfavila> in a system where you're told to vote with your dollar i consider researching a company before buying from it to be essential
[2025-04-04T05:18:46Z] <kris_> yeah absolutely
[2025-04-04T05:18:53Z] <midfavila> i would never vote for a party without knowing their platform
[2025-04-04T05:19:03Z] <midfavila> i would never buy a product if i didn't know what my money was supporting
[2025-04-04T05:19:20Z] <midfavila> unfortunately there are sometimes contradictions 
[2025-04-04T05:19:24Z] <midfavila> but those are getting worked out
[2025-04-04T05:19:43Z] <midfavila> ofc this is where people go "ackchooully there's no ethical consumption" and like no shit
[2025-04-04T05:20:03Z] <midfavila> but there's a difference between buying, idk, a blanket from a local mom-and-pop shop and a blanket from the fucking hudson's bay company
[2025-04-04T05:20:16Z] <midfavila> >people just trying to make a living for themselves and their family
[2025-04-04T05:20:27Z] <kris_> nah absolutely and I treat software choices the same way tbh
[2025-04-04T05:20:30Z] <midfavila> >company that is literally responsible for the colonisation of the northern half of the americas
[2025-04-04T05:20:41Z] <kris_> like I was saying the other day about only running things that I actually like the devs of
[2025-04-04T05:20:48Z] <kris_> which is part of why I'm such a void shill
[2025-04-04T05:20:57Z] <midfavila> mmhr, fair
[2025-04-04T05:21:24Z] <kris_> like hyprland for example lmfao
[2025-04-04T05:21:37Z] <midfavila> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=Qcg5flDvg78
[2025-04-04T05:21:39Z] <kris_> I'm gonna be honest, I'm a bit of an asshole, but I somewhat judge people for using that wm
[2025-04-04T05:22:25Z] <midfavila> idk the choices people make reveal their priorities 
[2025-04-04T05:22:34Z] <midfavila> judging someone for their priorities is fine
[2025-04-04T05:23:01Z] <midfavila> i'm totally fine saying that on record
[2025-04-04T05:23:13Z] <midfavila> it's different under coercion ofc
[2025-04-04T05:23:16Z] <kris_> idk its not that, the lead developer of hyprland is just such a notorious dickbag that I can't believe people will even run it without auditing the code
[2025-04-04T05:23:25Z] <kris_> of course actually auditing the code is bound to kill you 
[2025-04-04T05:23:29Z] <midfavila> well, that's also fair
[2025-04-04T05:24:02Z] <kris_> like he's a notorious transphobe that has enabled harassment of trans people
[2025-04-04T05:24:14Z] <kris_> and then doxxed a redhat employee who was just telling him to control his community
[2025-04-04T05:24:22Z] <kris_> due to behavior like that
[2025-04-04T05:24:33Z] <midfavila> classic
[2025-04-04T05:24:44Z] <kris_> so tldr he got banned from freedesktop
[2025-04-04T05:24:50Z] <kris_> deserved as fuck but yeah
[2025-04-04T05:25:02Z] <midfavila> that sort of behaviour on the part of some suckless contributors is part of why i'm chipping away at replacing all of their stuff that i use
[2025-04-04T05:25:17Z] <kris_> yeah I don't use suckless software
[2025-04-04T05:25:26Z] <Guest88> river wm, love it alot worth giving a go
[2025-04-04T05:25:31Z] <kris_> less due to that and more due to like, suckless, look inside, >sucks
[2025-04-04T05:25:35Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2025-04-04T05:25:38Z] <midfavila> suckless is...
[2025-04-04T05:25:38Z] <midfavila> eh
[2025-04-04T05:25:40Z] <kris_> its easily auditable at least though
[2025-04-04T05:25:46Z] <kris_> sbase isn't the worst thing I've sewn
[2025-04-04T05:25:49Z] <kris_> FUCK
[2025-04-04T05:25:51Z] <kris_> seen
[2025-04-04T05:25:52Z] <midfavila> i guess my definition of easily auditable is difference
[2025-04-04T05:25:57Z] <midfavila> different
[2025-04-04T05:25:59Z] * midfavila facedesks
[2025-04-04T05:26:03Z] <midfavila> you're influencing me
[2025-04-04T05:26:07Z] <kris_> river is alright
[2025-04-04T05:26:15Z] <midfavila> but idk every time i've looked inside suckless' stuff it's a mess
[2025-04-04T05:26:17Z] <kris_> I'm a sway fanatic though
[2025-04-04T05:26:25Z] <midfavila> then again most C i've looked at is formatted like shit
[2025-04-04T05:26:41Z] <kris_> I'd say the cleanest C I've seen is busybox funnily enough
[2025-04-04T05:26:46Z] <midfavila> K&R style is absolutely incorrect and i will fistfight anyone who tries to say otherwise
[2025-04-04T05:26:51Z] <kris_> I haven't audited the whole thing but out of what I have its good
[2025-04-04T05:27:18Z] <kris_> in the linux realm anyway
[2025-04-04T05:27:24Z] <kris_> openbsd utils are on another level
[2025-04-04T05:27:33Z] <kris_> if only their package manager wasn't ass
[2025-04-04T05:27:42Z] <kris_> absolutely adore the rest of the system
[2025-04-04T05:27:47Z] <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Whitesmiths
[2025-04-04T05:27:49Z] <midfavila> change my mind
[2025-04-04T05:27:59Z] <kris_> that's ass
[2025-04-04T05:28:04Z] <midfavila> it's excellent
[2025-04-04T05:28:11Z] * midfavila turns his nose up at you
[2025-04-04T05:28:16Z] <kris_> you'd kill me if you read any of my code
[2025-04-04T05:28:38Z] <midfavila> do you use the preprocessor for anything other than #include
[2025-04-04T05:28:39Z] <kris_> I follow a mentality of less lines more better under all circumstances
[2025-04-04T05:28:53Z] <kris_> I'm not a C Dev 
[2025-04-04T05:28:58Z] <midfavila> o
[2025-04-04T05:28:58Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-04-04T05:29:03Z] <kris_> I stick to golang and shell
[2025-04-04T05:29:07Z] <midfavila> the less lines thing is silly tho
[2025-04-04T05:29:13Z] <kris_> occasionally perl
[2025-04-04T05:29:25Z] <kris_> its easier for me to process mentally with less lines, idk why
[2025-04-04T05:29:42Z] <kris_> like I refuse to use ifs in shell unless there's a real valid reason for it
[2025-04-04T05:29:47Z] <kris_> just so there's no fi
[2025-04-04T05:29:55Z] <midfavila> i'm of the opinion that whatever's conceptually simplest is the best by default unless you can actually justify a more complex approach
[2025-04-04T05:30:15Z] <kris_> you're probably right but the less that I'm looking at the better
[2025-04-04T05:30:16Z] <midfavila> there's a lot of "minimal" stuff that achieves the fewest lines possible through bullshit wizardry
[2025-04-04T05:30:20Z] <kris_> exaggerated by dyslexia
[2025-04-04T05:30:25Z] <midfavila> that's fair
[2025-04-04T05:30:28Z] <midfavila> i'm reminded of uhhhh
[2025-04-04T05:30:31Z] <midfavila> hurl(1)
[2025-04-04T05:30:37Z] <midfavila> "minimal" alternative to curl
[2025-04-04T05:30:41Z] <midfavila> using bearssl
[2025-04-04T05:30:48Z] <midfavila> and C
[2025-04-04T05:31:05Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/void-install-script/blob/6597bdaa2753f6818a18440ff1e262d0fd66d5fb/setup/disk#L27
[2025-04-04T05:31:20Z] <kris_> the amount of shit I've caught for my fdisk logic
[2025-04-04T05:31:24Z] <kris_> but its so clean
[2025-04-04T05:31:26Z] <midfavila> it's around the same size as my apport(1) which also uses C and bearssl (or i guess libtls to be more accurate) but hurl is one file and rolls a lot of complex stuff by scratch
[2025-04-04T05:31:37Z] <midfavila> in particular a parser for URIs that's insane
[2025-04-04T05:31:39Z] <kris_> isn't bearssl kinda dying
[2025-04-04T05:31:51Z] <kris_> and I haven't heard of hurl
[2025-04-04T05:31:53Z] <midfavila> i don't think so
[2025-04-04T05:31:57Z] <kris_> I didn't know curl wasn't minimal enough lol
[2025-04-04T05:32:02Z] <midfavila> curl is an abomination
[2025-04-04T05:32:07Z] <midfavila> literally hundreds of thousands of lines
[2025-04-04T05:32:11Z] <kris_> god I shouldn't 
[2025-04-04T05:32:12Z] <kris_> like
[2025-04-04T05:32:20Z] <midfavila> afaik still demands openssl-compatible libraries too
[2025-04-04T05:32:27Z] <midfavila> it might be able to use boring or gnu but 
[2025-04-04T05:32:28Z] <midfavila> ehh
[2025-04-04T05:32:34Z] <kris_> the moment I look at code for something like that I get pissed off and bounce to something else and progressively make my system more annoying to use
[2025-04-04T05:32:40Z] <midfavila> but yeah hurl(1) rolled its own parser for URIs
[2025-04-04T05:32:42Z] <midfavila> and like
[2025-04-04T05:32:42Z] <kris_> albeit sometimes it works in my favor
[2025-04-04T05:33:03Z] <midfavila> if you look at the RFCs there's literally a regex that you can just dump into posix's regex function
[2025-04-04T05:33:09Z] <kris_> like dracut is some SHIT so I went to check out other gens and landed on tinyramfs which is like the greatest thing ever for that part of the system imo
[2025-04-04T05:33:11Z] <midfavila> to match every possible URI
[2025-04-04T05:33:15Z] <kris_> which is how I ended up here
[2025-04-04T05:33:25Z] <kris_> what SSL lib do you actually use
[2025-04-04T05:33:27Z] <midfavila> even if the posix regex functions are slower than a handrolled parser, literally who cares
[2025-04-04T05:33:29Z] <kris_> mostly
[2025-04-04T05:33:34Z] <midfavila> on my own distro? bear
[2025-04-04T05:33:47Z] <kris_> its a shame that void dropped libressl
[2025-04-04T05:33:58Z] <kris_> used to be the default but then patching became too much effort 
[2025-04-04T05:34:04Z] <midfavila> if i had to use any big-name software then i would need libre 
[2025-04-04T05:34:14Z] <midfavila> but the only software i use that relies on openssl compat is links2
[2025-04-04T05:34:24Z] <midfavila> and at some point i'm just going to patch it to use libtls as an option 
[2025-04-04T05:34:57Z] <kris_> OH, BTW, new xz vuln just dropped, I'd update if you use it at all
[2025-04-04T05:35:04Z] <midfavila> i don't
[2025-04-04T05:35:06Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2025-04-04T05:36:03Z] <midfavila> reminds me of something else i need to put on my list
[2025-04-04T05:36:16Z] <midfavila> it'd be neat to have a super minimal frontend to zlib to use for decompression and compression
[2025-04-04T05:36:28Z] <midfavila> i really hate having to keep like five different compressors around
[2025-04-04T05:36:33Z] * kris_ uses the shit out of xz
[2025-04-04T05:36:36Z] <kris_> I do too
[2025-04-04T05:36:39Z] <midfavila> i get that there's different usecases but again i really don't care
[2025-04-04T05:36:50Z] <midfavila> if it takes an extra two seconds to download or decompress or whatever, meh
[2025-04-04T05:36:53Z] <midfavila> i'm not going to die
[2025-04-04T05:37:01Z] <kris_> idk I use xz, lz4, and gzip
[2025-04-04T05:37:07Z] <kris_> lz4 is for RAM compression
[2025-04-04T05:37:10Z] <midfavila> i understand for large, like, huge, enormous, gigantic, extra thick, double-stuffed packages
[2025-04-04T05:37:18Z] <midfavila> but meh
[2025-04-04T05:37:23Z] <midfavila> most stuff isn't that big
[2025-04-04T05:37:30Z] <kris_> oh and zstd, all xbps packages are compressed with zstd
[2025-04-04T05:37:33Z] <kris_> forgot about that
[2025-04-04T05:37:53Z] <midfavila> i'm hoping to get to a point where i only rely on zlib and compress
[2025-04-04T05:38:09Z] <midfavila> gzip and similar would only be needed on a build machine
[2025-04-04T05:38:23Z] <kris_> honestly love gzip
[2025-04-04T05:38:38Z] <kris_> I've not found many cases where zstd was faster for the same compression ratio
[2025-04-04T05:38:47Z] <kris_> zstd is good for RAM compression though
[2025-04-04T05:38:52Z] <kris_> but I just use lz4
[2025-04-04T05:39:37Z] <kris_> my sleepy meds have hit so I'm going to be headed out shortly
[2025-04-04T05:39:52Z] <midfavila> same tbh
[2025-04-04T05:39:59Z] <midfavila> i go to sleep around 0000 and its 2330 
[2025-04-04T05:40:01Z] <midfavila> ish
[2025-04-04T05:40:31Z] <kris_> my sleep schedule varies depending on how loud my family is being lol
[2025-04-04T05:40:40Z] <kris_> usually they're up until like 2am
[2025-04-04T05:41:08Z] <kris_> 12:41am for me at the moment
[2025-04-04T05:42:09Z] <kris_> anyway yeah, gn
[2025-04-04T05:42:40Z] <midfavila> nini
[2025-04-04T11:30:56Z] <farkuhar> kris_: As an occasional user of Perl, have you ever considered submitting patches to the OpenBSD package manager (to fix whatever behaviour you consider "ass")? The OpenBSD users I know are always saying only good things about its package manager, so I'm curious what you find annoying about it.
[2025-04-04T13:28:29Z] <sewn> lmao the ass in quotes
[2025-04-04T22:15:26Z] <sewn> i find it interesting ive used kiss for the entirety of 2023
[2025-04-04T22:18:05Z] <sad_plan> you shouldve used it for the entierity of 2024 aswell
[2025-04-04T22:19:40Z] <sewn> well only for half of 2024
[2025-04-04T22:19:50Z] <sewn> onwards i had used alpine
[2025-04-04T22:24:38Z] <sad_plan> you couldve just used a chroot instead, and stayed loyal to kiss :C
[2025-04-04T22:25:17Z] <sad_plan> or flatpak or w/e else solution worked
[2025-04-04T22:31:49Z] <sewn> I couldn't have stayed loyal to kiss
[2025-04-04T22:31:55Z] <sewn> my PC was melting rmember
[2025-04-04T22:58:55Z] <sad_plan> you couldve still remained loyal, but not installing alpine. duh
[2025-04-04T22:59:02Z] <sad_plan> even if your pc melted