[2025-04-19T04:44:38Z] <sewn> Vova: it's ok
[2025-04-19T04:44:53Z] <sewn> I didn't try it though but its nothing special
[2025-04-19T06:12:22Z] <midfavila> hey nerds
[2025-04-19T06:25:14Z] <riteo> wassup mid
[2025-04-19T06:35:02Z] <sewn> hi mid
[2025-04-19T13:01:13Z] <sad_plan> Vova: it reminds me of kiss. havent really check the sources. theres another somewhat similar one called tincan linux, which has a package manager written in rust iirc
[2025-04-19T13:01:33Z] <Vova> sounds good
[2025-04-19T13:01:43Z] <Vova> I'm missing kiss way too much tbh
[2025-04-19T13:02:01Z] <Vova> I'm currently running alpine and writing a spec of the kiss Linux package manager
[2025-04-19T13:02:20Z] <Vova> I'll try to push it by the end of next week 
[2025-04-19T13:02:47Z] <Vova> also started to write a "spec test suite" to check whether different implementations are compliant 
[2025-04-19T13:03:11Z] <sad_plan> echawk made something along those lines aswell https://github.com/echawk/kiss-spec 
[2025-04-19T13:03:17Z] <sad_plan> but nice to see some work on the kiss side
[2025-04-19T13:03:22Z] <sad_plan> why arent you using kiss anyway?
[2025-04-19T13:05:00Z] <Vova> I was ! for years, but got a new job, had to install a bunch of devops related shits and yeah got too lazy so switched to alpine temporary until I make packages for every stuff I needed, and ended up never doing ut
[2025-04-19T13:06:24Z] <sad_plan> I see. couldnt you just use a chroot for this? or install apk on top of kiss? :p
[2025-04-19T13:06:36Z] <Vova> speaking of, why not automatically build kiss packages on codeberg and provide a tar.gz or something, so if you got a weak CPU you can simply grab the tar and put it in your builded packages cache
[2025-04-19T13:06:53Z] <Vova> I could lmao, but yeah just went lazy 
[2025-04-19T13:07:35Z] <Vova> what worse is that I ended up doing a small virtualized fedora with qemu, so technically I could just move the qcow image and be good
[2025-04-19T13:08:44Z] <sad_plan> we could, but i think its more because users should instead build their own packages. having binary packages could still be benefitial though
[2025-04-19T13:08:51Z] <sad_plan> lol, yeah you could absolutely have done that
[2025-04-19T13:12:15Z] <sad_plan> hm, alice uses spm, which seems much simpler than what kiss is. its also less than half its size. maybe I can reference this in my attempt to write a shitty package manager in rc
[2025-04-19T13:14:37Z] <shield82791> hi
[2025-04-19T13:14:42Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2025-04-19T13:14:44Z] <kris_> hi
[2025-04-19T13:14:53Z] <sad_plan> kris_: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-04-19T13:15:00Z] <kris_> sad_plan aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-04-19T13:15:02Z] <shield82791> is there a better solution for bouncing irc on android
[2025-04-19T13:15:12Z] <kris_> set up a bouncer on a vps
[2025-04-19T13:15:19Z] <shield82791> is that a joke
[2025-04-19T13:15:23Z] <kris_> no
[2025-04-19T13:15:35Z] <shield82791> Ö
[2025-04-19T13:15:49Z] <sad_plan> shield82791: you can use goguma for a bouncer, as opposed to using termux or similar solutions
[2025-04-19T13:15:57Z] <shield82791> im using goguma
[2025-04-19T13:15:58Z] <kris_> goguma never likes to stay active in the background for me
[2025-04-19T13:16:01Z] <kris_> it just silently dips
[2025-04-19T13:16:07Z] <kris_> so i just connect it to my soju on my vps
[2025-04-19T13:16:08Z] <sad_plan> vps is also an option, pico.sh gives bouncer for a fee
[2025-04-19T13:16:14Z] <shield82791> it logs out right when i minimize
[2025-04-19T13:16:19Z] <sad_plan> kris_: yeah, it was somewhat buggy for me aswell
[2025-04-19T13:16:23Z] <kris_> it behaves similar for me as well
[2025-04-19T13:16:25Z] <kris_> despite my phone having 12gb of ram
[2025-04-19T13:16:27Z] <kris_> nothing should get killed
[2025-04-19T13:16:35Z] <kris_> revolution didn't do this, need to try that out w soju
[2025-04-19T13:16:39Z] <shield82791> something something termux
[2025-04-19T13:16:40Z] <sad_plan> shield82791: a bouncer is what you need. project segfault has a free one
[2025-04-19T13:16:50Z] <shield82791> I do not like irc
[2025-04-19T13:16:52Z] <sad_plan> theres also pubnixes like tilde sites
[2025-04-19T13:16:55Z] <shield82791> why is this so much work
[2025-04-19T13:17:14Z] <kris_> set up soju once and a cron to handle your certs via certbot and dont think about it again
[2025-04-19T13:17:20Z] <sad_plan> its not much work at all. just open your client, and connect to the server(s) and channel(s) you want
[2025-04-19T13:17:28Z] <shield82791> yeah no
[2025-04-19T13:17:48Z] <shield82791> every time i minimize the app i lose all the messages
[2025-04-19T13:18:07Z] <sad_plan> the use project segfault, or tilde. pr has a bouncer, so all you need is to connect, and itll stay connected for you on the server
[2025-04-19T13:18:36Z] <sad_plan> just hit them an email for an account, and read the docs for the bouncer part. sewn uses them, he might chime in on some details
[2025-04-19T13:18:46Z] <sewn> project segfault just needs you to sign in with the pubnix
[2025-04-19T13:18:49Z] <sad_plan> I just use tilde.club, and ssh into their server, with a tmux session running
[2025-04-19T13:19:16Z] <sad_plan> using a bouncer is the least cumbersome way imo
[2025-04-19T13:19:17Z] <sewn> tilde.club technically isnt a bouncer sad_plan, just an 24/7 irc client that you connect to.
[2025-04-19T13:19:29Z] <sewn> personally i have moved to my own bouncer so i can do FILEHOST
[2025-04-19T13:19:39Z] <kris_> how does that work
[2025-04-19T13:19:41Z] <sad_plan> they offer a bouncer on znc iirc, but I dont use it. 
[2025-04-19T13:19:43Z] <sewn> pico.sh no longer host a bouncer, it is now a premium
[2025-04-19T13:19:46Z] <kris_> ive seen some new irc clients that do things like embed images by default
[2025-04-19T13:19:50Z] <kris_> is that proxied by the bouncer
[2025-04-19T13:19:57Z] <sad_plan> probably
[2025-04-19T13:20:00Z] <sewn> kris_: FILEHOST allows the bouncer to store images using HTTPS
[2025-04-19T13:20:00Z] <kris_> because if not that's kinda concerning lol
[2025-04-19T13:20:04Z] <sewn> https://b.sewn.moe/uploads/sewn/196167e8-20250419_162002.png
[2025-04-19T13:20:09Z] <kris_> neat
[2025-04-19T13:20:16Z] <sad_plan> images also seems superflous, irc is text only
[2025-04-19T13:20:23Z] <kris_> well yes but it just auto embeds links
[2025-04-19T13:20:26Z] <sewn> therye not images only sad_plan
[2025-04-19T13:20:36Z] <sewn> you can do logs n any other type of file
[2025-04-19T13:21:04Z] <sewn> > <kris_> set up soju once and a cron to handle your certs
[2025-04-19T13:21:05Z] <sewn> :(
[2025-04-19T13:21:08Z] <kris_> ?
[2025-04-19T13:21:08Z] <sewn> what happened to using tlstunnel
[2025-04-19T13:21:52Z] <kris_> eh
[2025-04-19T13:21:58Z] <sad_plan> I thought you liked soju sewn 
[2025-04-19T13:22:01Z] <sewn> i like soju
[2025-04-19T13:22:06Z] <sewn> i am using soju
[2025-04-19T13:22:11Z] <sad_plan> then whats the problem?
[2025-04-19T13:22:15Z] <sewn> cron to handle certs
[2025-04-19T13:22:21Z] <kris_> well i don't use "cron"
[2025-04-19T13:22:22Z] <kris_> i use snooze
[2025-04-19T13:22:25Z] <kris_> if that makes it any better lmao
[2025-04-19T13:22:29Z] <sewn> tlstunnel is a tls reverse proxy
[2025-04-19T13:22:35Z] <sewn> that manages your ssl certs as well
[2025-04-19T13:22:35Z] <sad_plan> you can use a for loop C:
[2025-04-19T13:22:43Z] <kris_> funny thing
[2025-04-19T13:23:01Z] <kris_> certbot doesn't return ! 0 when it fails to renew certs because it doesnt need to renew 
[2025-04-19T13:23:05Z] <sewn> shush
[2025-04-19T13:23:09Z] <sewn> tlstunnel today
[2025-04-19T13:23:14Z] <kris_> nuh uh
[2025-04-19T13:23:17Z] <kris_> im not touching it, it works
[2025-04-19T13:23:29Z] <sad_plan> if it aint broke, dont fix it
[2025-04-19T13:23:29Z] <kris_> i do need to set up per client history though because it's annoying to go from my desktop to phone and lose context
[2025-04-19T13:23:31Z] <kris_> or vice versa
[2025-04-19T13:23:44Z] <sewn> i hate people who are afraid of changing for the better brah
[2025-04-19T13:23:56Z] <kris_> it's not even really better though
[2025-04-19T13:24:17Z] <sewn> if you only host *just* soju
[2025-04-19T13:24:20Z] <sewn> then it might work fine i GUESS
[2025-04-19T13:24:29Z] <sewn> but if you do a meriad of other services then it will be handy
[2025-04-19T13:24:32Z] <sewn> especially proxying
[2025-04-19T13:24:37Z] <kris_> meh
[2025-04-19T13:24:41Z] <sewn> like i am for b.sewn.moe/upload dawg
[2025-04-19T13:24:42Z] <kris_> xbps repo / website / searxng / soju
[2025-04-19T13:24:47Z] <shield82791> does use nvidia here
[2025-04-19T13:24:52Z] <shield82791> anyone
[2025-04-19T13:24:58Z] <sewn> kris_: yeah you should def be using tlstunnel
[2025-04-19T13:25:05Z] <sewn> shield82791: gkiss users
[2025-04-19T13:25:15Z] <shield82791> sewn: where are they
[2025-04-19T13:25:17Z] <sewn> the original userbase of gkiss used to be all nvidia but then we moved on to radeon
[2025-04-19T13:25:19Z] <sad_plan> shield82791: I do on my desktop, but also gkiss if you want properietary drivers
[2025-04-19T13:25:35Z] <shield82791> sad_plan: they dont work
[2025-04-19T13:25:45Z] <shield82791> the nvidia package doesnt work
[2025-04-19T13:25:48Z] <sewn> the drivers work you just cant build them ^ ^
[2025-04-19T13:26:06Z] <kris_> i wonder if the bc package still fails to build
[2025-04-19T13:26:10Z] <shield82791> yep
[2025-04-19T13:26:30Z] <shield82791> some lib garbage
[2025-04-19T13:26:36Z] <sewn> wait grepo is out of date
[2025-04-19T13:26:40Z] <shield82791> function is undefined
[2025-04-19T13:27:00Z] <sad_plan> shield82791: then figure out what lib is mising, and install it
[2025-04-19T13:27:12Z] <sewn> grepo is actually out of date, usually the repo is updated by hand by testuser
[2025-04-19T13:27:17Z] <sewn> but testuser is no longer here
[2025-04-19T13:27:31Z] <sewn> oh man thats concerning
[2025-04-19T13:27:37Z] <shield82791> sad_plan: its a function of a version of a progran that is installed
[2025-04-19T13:27:47Z] <shield82791> dma something
[2025-04-19T13:27:57Z] <shield82791> idk look at the error i sent
[2025-04-19T13:28:00Z] <sewn> perhaps you might have some luck on the irc archives shield
[2025-04-19T13:29:39Z] <sad_plan> sewn: gkiss isnt that far of. its only a month since last commit. shouldnt be too bad to get going again
[2025-04-19T13:29:51Z] <sewn> yeah it shouldnt be too bad but still
[2025-04-19T13:29:56Z] <sewn> testuseeeeerrrrrrrrrrrr
[2025-04-19T13:30:19Z] <kris_> i wonder how much of an impact chimeras memcpy patch makes generally
[2025-04-19T13:30:20Z] <sad_plan> is obivously busy not working on gkiss
[2025-04-19T13:30:26Z] <kris_> or if its just such a massive bump with makewhatis
[2025-04-19T13:30:35Z] <sad_plan> kris_: what patch?
[2025-04-19T13:30:37Z] <sewn> sad_plan: let me whine bruh
[2025-04-19T13:30:48Z] <kris_> sad_plan chimera linuxs memcpy patches for msul
[2025-04-19T13:30:49Z] <sad_plan> sewn: no, go wine instead
[2025-04-19T13:30:51Z] <kris_> s/msul/musl
[2025-04-19T13:30:53Z] <sad_plan> ah
[2025-04-19T13:30:55Z] <sewn> https://github.com/chimera-linux/cports/blob/master/main/musl/patches/memcpy.patch
[2025-04-19T13:31:01Z] <kris_> ^
[2025-04-19T13:31:11Z] <sewn> its for optimization essentially
[2025-04-19T13:31:19Z] <kris_> q66 had claimed like 30% improvements
[2025-04-19T13:31:35Z] <kris_> im just curious what all that applies to
[2025-04-19T13:31:39Z] <sad_plan> thats a bold statement
[2025-04-19T13:31:40Z] <kris_> i built with that patch but havent bothered trying it yet
[2025-04-19T13:31:49Z] <kris_> https://blahaj.social/@q66/112560793468953894
[2025-04-19T13:31:54Z] <kris_> this is where she said that
[2025-04-19T13:32:12Z] <kris_> i also wonder about benefits from mimalloc
[2025-04-19T13:32:18Z] <kris_> that's not somethind id do personally but maybe scudo
[2025-04-19T13:32:23Z] <sad_plan> interesting
[2025-04-19T13:33:02Z] <Vova> what about using mimalloc with musl too, like chimera does
[2025-04-19T13:33:18Z] <sad_plan> curious as to why glaucus hasnt imported this, as he's all about that performance
[2025-04-19T13:34:25Z] <sewn> he does use mimalloc
[2025-04-19T13:35:24Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2025-04-19T13:35:45Z] <sad_plan> I meant the patch though
[2025-04-19T13:35:50Z] <sewn> that he isnt aware of
[2025-04-19T13:36:06Z] <sad_plan> most likely
[2025-04-19T13:36:14Z] <kris_> i just wonder under what conditions i'd notice a faster malloc impl
[2025-04-19T13:36:22Z] <kris_> because right now i'm just using straight up vanilla musl
[2025-04-19T13:36:23Z] <sewn> if youre a robot
[2025-04-19T13:37:32Z] <kris_> idk someone packaged musl + mimalloc for void and it seems very much not noticeable
[2025-04-19T13:37:34Z] <sad_plan> kris_: also not all performance enhancements are noticable unless you specifically benchmark it
[2025-04-19T13:37:43Z] <kris_> yeah that's kinda what im getting at
[2025-04-19T13:37:52Z] <sad_plan> say even a 10% increase might even be noticable
[2025-04-19T13:39:32Z] <sewn> perhaps in a context such as a browser it will be more noticable
[2025-04-19T13:41:38Z] <sad_plan> perhaps
[2025-04-19T13:42:04Z] <sad_plan> oh, I think I figured out why luakit crashes. it segfaults for some reason...
[2025-04-19T13:49:35Z] <sewn> heh
[2025-04-19T14:40:46Z] <sewn> ou
[2025-04-19T14:40:48Z] <sewn> testuser is bac
[2025-04-19T14:40:59Z] <sewn> hes merging a pr and pushing to community
[2025-04-19T16:23:42Z] <shield82791> helo
[2025-04-19T16:25:18Z] <shield82791> HELLOOOOOOO LADIES WHERE ARE YOU!!!!!
[2025-04-19T18:43:47Z] <riteo> wat
[2025-04-19T19:06:23Z] <sewn> it tends to happen