[2025-05-21T02:40:11Z] <sad_plan> who does purism guys think they are with their out of this world prices? like damn, the librem 5 is still 799 on their frontpage. they appearantly managed to create a tablet now aswell, for $999. but thats not the best part, theyve create the 'liberty phone', at measly $1999. 
[2025-05-21T02:40:15Z] <sad_plan> what the actuall fuck
[2025-05-21T02:44:12Z] <sad_plan> how purism hasnt gone bankrupt yet is really beyond me. from what ive heard, people have had issues with getting their devices aswell, some people waiting for years even, and nothing
[2025-05-21T04:05:18Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: that's the beauty of the free market
[2025-05-21T04:05:32Z] <midfavila> if they can sell liberty phones for 2000USD then they will
[2025-05-21T04:05:34Z] <midfavila> :D
[2025-05-21T04:06:08Z] <midfavila> even if most people get screwed over or can't afford their stuff that doesn't matter so long as it's profitable 
[2025-05-21T04:06:28Z] <midfavila> honestly it's a bit silly but just use a uconsole or something with LUKS 
[2025-05-21T04:06:32Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-05-21T04:14:57Z] <midfavila> hoping i can get my computer here soon. if it's in the mail then it's probably going to be stuck for a while because of the CUPW strike...
[2025-05-21T04:30:37Z] <kris_> uconsoles are neat
[2025-05-21T04:30:52Z] <kris_> im undecided what i want to do as far as my next phone goes because i need something that has a sim slot and can sms/call normally
[2025-05-21T04:30:59Z] <kris_> past that anything will do really since i dont really consoom social media
[2025-05-21T04:31:13Z] <kris_> id like it to have the ability to do more than just that though
[2025-05-21T04:32:13Z] <midfavila> kris_ uconsole
[2025-05-21T04:32:15Z] <midfavila> get a uconsole
[2025-05-21T04:32:19Z] <midfavila> use it as ur phone
[2025-05-21T04:32:21Z] <midfavila> /g/phone
[2025-05-21T04:32:23Z] <midfavila> do it
[2025-05-21T04:32:30Z] <midfavila> port void to it
[2025-05-21T04:41:41Z] <midfavila> speaking of neat little handhelds
[2025-05-21T04:42:00Z] <midfavila> https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara
[2025-05-21T04:42:05Z] <midfavila> check this little guy out >:O
[2025-05-21T04:42:13Z] <midfavila> i kinda want one
[2025-05-21T04:42:20Z] <midfavila> that would complete my collection of gadgets
[2025-05-21T04:42:52Z] <midfavila> laptop, tablet, handheld, music player, and a comfy desktop setup
[2025-05-21T05:02:57Z] <kris_> midfavila does it have sim and sms/calling
[2025-05-21T05:03:19Z] <kris_> and if it just uses a pi cm i dont need to port void because it already supports that
[2025-05-21T05:03:35Z] <midfavila> yes and yes and yes and yes
[2025-05-21T05:03:44Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-05-21T05:04:11Z] <kris_> idk every day i spend more time exploring the idea of making my own distro in my mind
[2025-05-21T05:04:27Z] <midfavila> uhbuh muh xkcd standards comic
[2025-05-21T05:04:29Z] <kris_> right now the ideal setup to me seems to be potentially uutils, oksh as the default shell, runit for the init system, everything compiled with clang because gcc is dogshit
[2025-05-21T05:04:30Z] <midfavila> standards.jpeg
[2025-05-21T05:04:32Z] <midfavila> !!!!!!!!!
[2025-05-21T05:04:46Z] <kris_> im not sure how i feel about uutils though
[2025-05-21T05:04:53Z] <kris_> it seems kinda like soydev nonsense to me but i also dont like any of the other options
[2025-05-21T05:05:07Z] <kris_> less because its rust and more because i dont like the MIT license
[2025-05-21T05:05:12Z] <midfavila> reminds me that i should get back to tinkering with my utils
[2025-05-21T05:05:15Z] <kris_> yes corporations please abuse my software
[2025-05-21T05:05:19Z] <kris_> i beg you
[2025-05-21T05:05:21Z] <midfavila> but kris_ 
[2025-05-21T05:05:25Z] <midfavila> have you considered,
[2025-05-21T05:05:38Z] <midfavila> that the GPL only benefits large corporations because only they can afford to comply!?
[2025-05-21T05:05:46Z] <midfavila> and also that your licence is just a piece of paper!?
[2025-05-21T05:05:47Z] <kris_> i have considered it yes
[2025-05-21T05:05:58Z] <kris_> i also put a gplv3 sticker on my laptop specifically because it's based and pisses people off
[2025-05-21T05:06:06Z] <midfavila> >not agpl
[2025-05-21T05:06:10Z] <midfavila> cringe
[2025-05-21T05:06:19Z] <kris_> specifically gpl v3 because people whine about it "behaving like a worm"
[2025-05-21T05:06:22Z] <midfavila> imagine being a fence-sitting licence centrist
[2025-05-21T05:06:22Z] <kris_> at which point i normally say "good."
[2025-05-21T05:06:32Z] <midfavila> you need to COMMIT
[2025-05-21T05:06:39Z] <kris_> all of my stuff is licensed bsd 3 clause anyway because i dont feel like reading an entire manifesto rn
[2025-05-21T05:06:45Z] <kris_> i will once i write something worth protecting
[2025-05-21T05:06:50Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-05-21T05:06:58Z] <midfavila> i licence anything that's like
[2025-05-21T05:07:00Z] <midfavila> pretty trivial
[2025-05-21T05:07:05Z] <midfavila> under X11
[2025-05-21T05:07:23Z] <midfavila> anything else is strong copyleft
[2025-05-21T05:07:29Z] <kris_> and yeah gpl probably hurts the little guy more than corpos but it's still effective
[2025-05-21T05:07:37Z] <kris_> violations are all over the place but it's still more impactful than something like the bsds
[2025-05-21T05:07:44Z] <midfavila> my response to it hurting the "little guys" is uh
[2025-05-21T05:07:45Z] <midfavila> good
[2025-05-21T05:07:46Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-05-21T05:08:01Z] <midfavila> like imagine doing unpaid labour for capitalists and then defending it
[2025-05-21T05:08:02Z] <kris_> but honestly it only hurts the little guys when they want to steal someones code and relicense it under some other license
[2025-05-21T05:08:04Z] <kris_> which im not okay with
[2025-05-21T05:08:13Z] <midfavila> literal reddit mod behaviour
[2025-05-21T05:08:16Z] <midfavila> doing it for free
[2025-05-21T05:08:24Z] <kris_> yeah capitalists can eat dick i dont care
[2025-05-21T05:08:40Z] <midfavila> i WILL be exploited and i will NOT attempt to assert ANY rights
[2025-05-21T05:08:47Z] <kris_> anyway busybox is also an option but i dont really like having to patch things for incompat
[2025-05-21T05:08:50Z] <kris_> uutils are super clean
[2025-05-21T05:08:54Z] <midfavila> use suckless utils
[2025-05-21T05:08:56Z] <kris_> the only complaint i hear about them is "omg noo rust"
[2025-05-21T05:08:58Z] <midfavila> contrarianOS
[2025-05-21T05:09:04Z] <kris_> i like the gnu coreutils
[2025-05-21T05:09:07Z] <kris_> like a lot actually
[2025-05-21T05:09:10Z] <midfavila> omg that can be my distro name
[2025-05-21T05:09:12Z] <kris_> but when i look at the code i nearly have a stroke
[2025-05-21T05:09:18Z] <midfavila> that's way better than A/OS
[2025-05-21T05:09:32Z] <kris_> my custom android roms name is based as hell
[2025-05-21T05:09:39Z] <midfavila> yeah i've heard gnu's coreutils are something else
[2025-05-21T05:10:10Z] <kris_> phobOS, named after mars' moon but if you look into who phobos is, they're the greek god/personification of fear and panic
[2025-05-21T05:10:26Z] <midfavila> phoebos: 
[2025-05-21T05:10:31Z] <kris_> kek
[2025-05-21T05:10:42Z] <kris_> my distros original name was basix
[2025-05-21T05:10:44Z] <kris_> bash linux
[2025-05-21T05:10:50Z] <kris_> but i'm starting to have a distaste for bash and you fucks are to blame
[2025-05-21T05:10:55Z] <midfavila> cope
[2025-05-21T05:10:58Z] <midfavila> seethe
[2025-05-21T05:10:59Z] <midfavila> breathe
[2025-05-21T05:11:01Z] <midfavila> drink
[2025-05-21T05:11:02Z] <midfavila> eat
[2025-05-21T05:11:04Z] <kris_> seether is pretty awesome
[2025-05-21T05:11:06Z] <midfavila> sleep
[2025-05-21T05:11:22Z] <kris_> i wake up, another psyop
[2025-05-21T05:11:24Z] <kris_> this time it's "bash sucks"
[2025-05-21T05:11:29Z] <midfavila> psyops inside psyops
[2025-05-21T05:11:40Z] <midfavila> where we LARP one we LARP all!!!
[2025-05-21T05:12:15Z] <kris_> the other day i was just having what i thought was a pretty tame discussion and someone called me an uncle ted
[2025-05-21T05:12:20Z] <kris_> and im not sure how to react to that
[2025-05-21T05:12:23Z] <midfavila> the entire economy is a psyop
[2025-05-21T05:12:33Z] <midfavila> if they can't meet you there it's not worth arguing
[2025-05-21T05:12:36Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-05-21T05:12:47Z] <kris_> anyway
[2025-05-21T05:12:51Z] <kris_> chimeras utils is also an option i guess
[2025-05-21T05:12:54Z] <kris_> which are portable freebsd utils
[2025-05-21T05:13:03Z] <kris_> but really if im gonna go that far i might as well fork openbsds
[2025-05-21T05:13:29Z] <kris_> also apparently openbsd has functional wayland now so im kinda reevaluating it as a desktop option
[2025-05-21T05:13:37Z] <midfavila> it's so exhausting talking to people who do fucking loopdeloops about the WHO WEF IMF Roman government returning and using 5g chips to control you using satanic energy channeled by bill gates' secret rituals instead of admitting that maybe our system just sucks
[2025-05-21T05:13:41Z] * midfavila dies
[2025-05-21T05:13:54Z] <midfavila> does obsd have wayland now?
[2025-05-21T05:14:01Z] <midfavila> i thought they were sticking with xenocara
[2025-05-21T05:14:05Z] <kris_> yeah sway is in the repo
[2025-05-21T05:14:07Z] <kris_> works fine afaik
[2025-05-21T05:14:16Z] <kris_> ive seen some people using it
[2025-05-21T05:14:43Z] <kris_> wayland itself also officially supports obsd now
[2025-05-21T05:14:48Z] <midfavila> >opens firefox
[2025-05-21T05:14:54Z] <midfavila> >immediately crashes
[2025-05-21T05:14:59Z] <kris_> >using firefox to begin with
[2025-05-21T05:15:12Z] <midfavila> what do you propose, webkit?
[2025-05-21T05:15:14Z] <kris_> (i say that like im not using a fork of it)
[2025-05-21T05:15:19Z] <midfavila> exactly
[2025-05-21T05:15:30Z] <kris_> ive been looking into qutebrowser
[2025-05-21T05:15:33Z] <kris_> the thing about it that bugs me is no ublock
[2025-05-21T05:15:44Z] <midfavila> GOD i can't wait until i can finish my custom distro so i can go back to just using links2
[2025-05-21T05:16:00Z] <midfavila> i'm so tired of firefox et al
[2025-05-21T05:16:01Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-05-21T05:16:05Z] <kris_> im considering using torrents as the backend for my package manager
[2025-05-21T05:16:08Z] <midfavila> doesn't qute have regex matching?
[2025-05-21T05:16:11Z] <kris_> so it's properly decentralized and people can easily contribute
[2025-05-21T05:16:15Z] <kris_> by just seeding packages
[2025-05-21T05:16:32Z] <kris_> and i have no idea i just know it works super well on keyboard driven setups
[2025-05-21T05:16:43Z] <midfavila> muh vi keys
[2025-05-21T05:16:53Z] <midfavila> literally the worst thing to come out of bsd
[2025-05-21T05:17:27Z] <midfavila> i curse the name of bill joy >:CCCCCCCCCCCCCC
[2025-05-21T05:18:23Z] <midfavila> only for vi tho
[2025-05-21T05:21:03Z] <kris_> not a fan of vi binds?
[2025-05-21T05:21:15Z] <kris_> i wasnt for a super long time but now that ive been using it for so long using anything else feels wrong
[2025-05-21T05:22:53Z] <midfavila> i can't stand vi in general
[2025-05-21T05:23:01Z] <midfavila> it's like ed but worse
[2025-05-21T05:23:14Z] <midfavila> literally prefer to use ed over vi in every circumstance
[2025-05-21T05:26:17Z] <kris_> i rarely use actual vi
[2025-05-21T05:26:29Z] <kris_> void ships original berkely vi as its default editor and i install vim as soon as i get the chance
[2025-05-21T05:26:41Z] <kris_> and then doom emacs for coding
[2025-05-21T05:26:50Z] <midfavila> ed tho
[2025-05-21T05:26:54Z] <kris_> vi/vim keybinds on both but vim is just for config edits and like taking notes
[2025-05-21T05:27:00Z] <kris_> i dont really like ed
[2025-05-21T05:27:09Z] <midfavila> gasp
[2025-05-21T05:27:12Z] <midfavila> sacrilege
[2025-05-21T05:27:31Z] <kris_> id rather just cat the file out and use sed lol
[2025-05-21T09:01:07Z] <phoebos> phobos != phoebos
[2025-05-21T09:01:08Z] <phoebos> lol
[2025-05-21T15:15:05Z] <midfavila> it is now
[2025-05-21T15:27:11Z] <riteo> phoebos was so great that they turned them into a distro
[2025-05-21T15:34:42Z] <midfavila> holy shit canada post is going on strike again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-05-21T15:34:54Z] <midfavila> wait wrong channel
[2025-05-21T17:44:33Z] <sewn> midfavila: whats the channel
[2025-05-21T20:23:43Z] <midfavila> sewn: ##Canada lol
[2025-05-21T20:23:46Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I just dont see how their product is profitable. I dont really see anyone buying their shit tbqh..
[2025-05-21T20:23:51Z] <sewn> blep
[2025-05-21T20:24:31Z] <midfavila> sad_plan have you considered that most of their products are hyper-niche and appeal to libertarian techbros
[2025-05-21T20:24:49Z] <midfavila> aka people whose ideology is based around their inheritance 
[2025-05-21T20:24:53Z] <midfavila> they don't need mass appeal
[2025-05-21T20:24:56Z] <midfavila> it's a luxury good
[2025-05-21T20:25:42Z] <sad_plan> perhaps thats the case. I dunno. Ive just read a few of peoples complaints about those whos ordered one, and those whos gotten one
[2025-05-21T20:25:46Z] <midfavila> also manufacturing electronics at scale is really cheap so
[2025-05-21T20:25:55Z] <midfavila> they probably have enormous margins
[2025-05-21T20:26:09Z] <sad_plan> kris_: have you considered making your own phone out of a pi zero? or was it pi zero w, I dont recall
[2025-05-21T20:26:33Z] <midfavila> sewn: furry furry furry furry furry furry furry furry 
[2025-05-21T20:26:36Z] <midfavila> >:3c
[2025-05-21T20:26:48Z] * sewn nuzzles midfavila
[2025-05-21T20:27:30Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: maybe thats the case. I wouldnt know. in any case, I dont see myself buying any of their shite any time soon anyway :p
[2025-05-21T20:27:37Z] <midfavila> buy a uconsole
[2025-05-21T20:27:39Z] <sad_plan> kris_:  https://learn.adafruit.com/piphone-a-raspberry-pi-based-cellphone/overview
[2025-05-21T20:27:40Z] <midfavila> put kiss on it
[2025-05-21T20:27:53Z] <sad_plan> thats a good idea aswell
[2025-05-21T20:29:10Z] <sad_plan> oh lol, or this chunky boy https://hackaday.io/project/19035-zerophone-a-raspberry-pi-smartphone/
[2025-05-21T20:29:20Z] <midfavila> ye ik sad_plan i had it ^^
[2025-05-21T20:29:24Z] <sad_plan> ^ which was kinda what I was thinking about, as thats what Ive recalled seing
[2025-05-21T20:29:31Z] <midfavila> im basically the next stallman
[2025-05-21T20:29:36Z] <sad_plan> midfavila:  lol
[2025-05-21T20:31:18Z] <sad_plan> oh and I noticed you can actually buy uconsoles now. they were out for a while
[2025-05-21T20:31:36Z] <midfavila> oh nice
[2025-05-21T20:31:56Z] <midfavila> i was thinking of buying some spares to keep around as parts 
[2025-05-21T20:32:42Z] <sad_plan> could be nice to have. im curious though, how eta prime got his cm5 to work on the uconsole. its not available on their site. and the pins arent the same on cm4/cm5
[2025-05-21T20:36:02Z] <sad_plan> atleast not to my knowledge
[2025-05-21T20:37:55Z] <midfavila> yeah idk either
[2025-05-21T20:38:02Z] <midfavila> i only fiddle with the r01
[2025-05-21T20:41:30Z] <sad_plan> either he faked the entire thing, or the one he used anyhow, is compatible. wierd. as in the mnt forums, they were adamant about it requiring a new adapter. 
[2025-05-21T20:41:41Z] <sad_plan> maybe it was the bananpi instead?
[2025-05-21T20:42:24Z] <midfavila> yeah idk 
[2025-05-21T20:54:25Z] <sad_plan> oh and midfavila, im writing a package manager in rc now. or maybe its considered a wrapper of sort instead. nevertheless, its based on some of oasis' concepts, so it uses git worktrees instead of installing like kiss does. not 100% on that idea, with diskspace in mind, but maybe itll work out
[2025-05-21T20:55:16Z] <sad_plan> boiled down, its basically just what mcf mentions in oasis' wiki on repos, to add additional software really. create a worktree, install software into it, and merge into root 
[2025-05-21T20:56:23Z] <sad_plan> to avoid issues with not cross compiling, each package would go into its own worktree though, and merge inbetween building each package. not super ideal perhaps
[2025-05-21T21:14:56Z] <midfavila> i c
[2025-05-21T21:19:28Z] <sad_plan> yeah. maybe you find a use for it. not that you use oasis though.
[2025-05-21T21:20:39Z] <sad_plan> thinking about it, im not overly convinced I would need per package worktrees, if I properly append to LDFLAGS/CFLAGS and LD_LIBRARY_PATH to point to the worktree in question
[2025-05-21T21:47:05Z] <midfavila> i'm just gonna stick to pm(1)
[2025-05-21T21:47:16Z] <midfavila> it takes a dumb approach, which i appreciate
[2025-05-21T21:47:25Z] <midfavila> i still intend to patch it to use zlib instead of libarchive
[2025-05-21T21:47:36Z] <midfavila> but otherwise it's pretty good
[2025-05-21T21:47:55Z] <midfavila> sorry i was doin stuff aaaaaaaaa
[2025-05-21T21:48:11Z] <midfavila> my boss came in and dumped a bunch of new responsibilities on my lap
[2025-05-21T22:11:30Z] <sad_plan> I get that. appart from libarchive, I think pm could be pretty interesting. although I like creating my own stuff. Ive been curious about using mk aswell, in addition to rc in my case anyway. but im not sure really
[2025-05-21T22:11:36Z] <sad_plan> funny how bosses does that
[2025-05-21T22:13:34Z] <midfavila> i'm just frustrated because i'm doing like five jobs at once and not getting paid what I think I should >:V
[2025-05-21T22:14:26Z] <midfavila> i'm running the offices for two businesses, the storefront, handling all of the IT needs for both operations, and now the boss wants me to pick up after the crew that goes to jobsites
[2025-05-21T22:14:35Z] <sad_plan> perhaps bring this up to your boss? maybe you can be fairer compensated
[2025-05-21T22:14:55Z] <midfavila> planning to, next time my contract is up for renegotiation 
[2025-05-21T22:15:29Z] <sad_plan> your situation sounds rather classic though. bosses just keep pushing more shit on you, untill you eventually crack and quit. then complain that *nobody wants to work anymore*
[2025-05-21T22:15:42Z] <midfavila> i already get that a ton lol
[2025-05-21T22:15:55Z] <sad_plan> not supprised 
[2025-05-21T22:16:12Z] <midfavila> "i can't find anyone to work for me, nobody wants to work any more, you're always asking for too much"
[2025-05-21T22:16:15Z] <midfavila> and it's like
[2025-05-21T22:16:37Z] <midfavila> i just want to be able to afford food, rent, and clothes, and maybe visit the dentist's once or twice a year, lol
[2025-05-21T22:17:05Z] <midfavila> see that's what pisses me off about neoliberalism specifically
[2025-05-21T22:17:13Z] <sad_plan> yeah. I mean, maybe compensate your employees prpoerly, and not step on them like theyre nothing
[2025-05-21T22:17:17Z] <midfavila> it's not even about free markets
[2025-05-21T22:17:25Z] <midfavila> it's about free markets for thee and not for me
[2025-05-21T22:17:46Z] <sad_plan> its also been proven that if workers are properly compensated and appreciated in their work environment, they actually do a better job. who wouldve thought
[2025-05-21T22:17:53Z] <midfavila> if you're going to treat labour as a commodity, expect prices to fluctuate and people to unionise into unions, aka trade associations
[2025-05-21T22:18:14Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-05-21T22:18:15Z] <midfavila> like, you know, any other group of people who provide commodities 
[2025-05-21T22:18:33Z] <midfavila> but no it's all about muh individualism until tax season comes around or people ask for a raise
[2025-05-21T22:18:41Z] <midfavila> then it's suddenly "well, we're all a family"
[2025-05-21T22:18:43Z] <midfavila> or some shit
[2025-05-21T22:18:46Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-05-21T22:19:20Z] <sad_plan> *we cant afford a raise* all while they dream of their fat stack of cash back home
[2025-05-21T22:19:22Z] <midfavila> but yeah like it's not even about being "appreciated" or whatever
[2025-05-21T22:19:25Z] <midfavila> it's like
[2025-05-21T22:19:32Z] <midfavila> can i afford to eat properly and rest sufficiently 
[2025-05-21T22:19:59Z] <midfavila> oh it's super frustrating
[2025-05-21T22:20:06Z] <midfavila> the boss is always going on vacations to europe and shit
[2025-05-21T22:20:16Z] <midfavila> buying fancy food, lives in a big house
[2025-05-21T22:20:20Z] <midfavila> has like 3-4 vehicles
[2025-05-21T22:20:31Z] <sad_plan> all while not being able to give you a raise, because theres not enough money
[2025-05-21T22:20:33Z] <midfavila> spends enormous sums of money like they're nothing
[2025-05-21T22:20:35Z] <midfavila> and yeah
[2025-05-21T22:20:40Z] <midfavila> just can't afford it y'see
[2025-05-21T22:20:44Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-05-21T22:21:36Z] <midfavila> i can't complain too much, this is still the best job i've had, but it's definitely annoying to have to choose between like, do i want to buy clothes or do i want to buy a singular chair for my apartment
[2025-05-21T22:21:45Z] <midfavila> i work full time, i should be able to have pants *and* a chair :|
[2025-05-21T22:22:03Z] <midfavila> weh
[2025-05-21T22:22:59Z] <sad_plan> any 1st world countries shouldnt have this situation at all imo. people should really be able to afford basic shit
[2025-05-21T22:23:02Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECEPzY6hSls
[2025-05-21T22:23:04Z] <midfavila> econony.jpeg
[2025-05-21T22:23:36Z] <midfavila> the problem isn't "first" or "second" or "third" world
[2025-05-21T22:23:49Z] <midfavila> the problem is that the manner in which society's wealth is distributed is ludicrously unabalanced 
[2025-05-21T22:24:15Z] <midfavila> we live in a time of unprecedented abundance, and yet globally wealth has never been more stratified 
[2025-05-21T22:24:35Z] <midfavila> worker productivity has exploded in the past few decades, yet real wages have dropped in canada by half
[2025-05-21T22:24:42Z] <sad_plan> omg the audio was atrocious lol
[2025-05-21T22:24:53Z] <midfavila> the median worker in 1970 made around 9.6kCAD a year
[2025-05-21T22:25:00Z] <midfavila> adjusted for inflation that's around 80k
[2025-05-21T22:25:11Z] <midfavila> the median worker now only makes around 40k
[2025-05-21T22:25:41Z] <midfavila> so what the fuck happened to that other, i dunno, 8e+11CAD a year in wages
[2025-05-21T22:25:44Z] <midfavila> where the fuck did that go
[2025-05-21T22:25:49Z] <midfavila> where the fuck is my MONEY
[2025-05-21T22:25:57Z] <midfavila> GALEN WESTON YOU SON OF A BITCH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-05-21T22:26:14Z] <midfavila> SITTING IN YOUR FUCKING IRISH CASTLE DRINKING PRESIDENT'S CHOICE MY THAIS WHILE THE COUNTRY SUCCUMBS TO SCURVY
[2025-05-21T22:26:17Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-05-21T22:26:20Z] <sad_plan> Im glad I dont live over there really. im happy where im at lol
[2025-05-21T22:26:30Z] <midfavila> you have no idea how much i cope and seethe every day 
[2025-05-21T22:26:40Z] <midfavila> like yeah sure at least i don't live in the fucking congo 
[2025-05-21T22:26:41Z] <sad_plan> probably not :p
[2025-05-21T22:26:42Z] <midfavila> big win 
[2025-05-21T22:26:54Z] <midfavila> but also the median house price is almost 20x the median wage
[2025-05-21T22:26:58Z] <midfavila> so what the fuck is up with that man
[2025-05-21T22:27:09Z] <midfavila> but if prices stop going up the economy crashes
[2025-05-21T22:27:22Z] <midfavila> but if prices keep going up and wages continue to stagnate nobody can afford mortgages to buy houses
[2025-05-21T22:27:22Z] <sad_plan> thats just absurd, but yeah, house prices has also gone up quite a while here aswell the past 10 or so years
[2025-05-21T22:27:40Z] <sad_plan> correct. which will crash the house marked alltogether
[2025-05-21T22:28:12Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-05-21T22:28:18Z] <midfavila> but then you explain this to people and they're like
[2025-05-21T22:28:26Z] <midfavila> "wow that sounds like it's not my problem dude"
[2025-05-21T22:28:42Z] <midfavila> MFER HOUSING SPECULATION ALONE IS LIKE 20% OF OUR ENTIRE ECONOMY
[2025-05-21T22:28:47Z] <sad_plan> the absourdity of that is immens. lol
[2025-05-21T22:29:08Z] <midfavila> IF 20% OF OUR ECONOMY WINKS OUT OF EXISTENCE IN A PUFF OF LOGIC PEOPLE ARE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY BAD FUCKING TIME
[2025-05-21T22:29:18Z] * midfavila screams
[2025-05-21T22:29:53Z] <sad_plan> lol, everyone is going to get homeless
[2025-05-21T22:30:18Z] <midfavila> we *could* just build mass social housing
[2025-05-21T22:30:20Z] <sad_plan> its also absurd how close people are to become homeless. and people dont realize it
[2025-05-21T22:30:22Z] <midfavila> but no
[2025-05-21T22:30:27Z] <midfavila> thats gommunism and therefore bad
[2025-05-21T22:30:30Z] <sad_plan> ikr
[2025-05-21T22:30:35Z] <midfavila> you can't just HAVE something!!!
[2025-05-21T22:30:52Z] <midfavila> meanwhile in like fucking venice or whatever it's like 70% social housing
[2025-05-21T22:31:09Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-05-21T22:35:14Z] <midfavila> and ofc instead of doing anything to decouple canada's economy from america's in a meaningful way carney is just having the king over 
[2025-05-21T22:35:36Z] <sad_plan> obivously
[2025-05-21T22:35:39Z] <midfavila> more faux nationalist pageantry