[2025-05-25T03:38:54Z] man, golden curry is a godsend [2025-05-25T03:39:07Z] fuckin love japan. they have convenience food down to a science [2025-05-25T03:39:38Z] those self-cooking meals they have are crazy too [2025-05-25T04:48:07Z] they even put science into steaks. waygu or w/e it was called uses science to create the best steaks [2025-05-25T05:15:11Z] cow massages [2025-05-25T05:15:34Z] idk no steak is worth like $100/kg [2025-05-25T05:15:39Z] that's rich people food [2025-05-25T05:19:10Z] I suppose it is [2025-05-25T07:08:53Z] kris_: I tried to bootstrap clang on kiss [2025-05-25T07:08:58Z] and it isn't worth it [2025-05-25T07:09:06Z] it takes a lot of resources [2025-05-25T07:09:17Z] the better alternative is wait for someone else to do it for you [2025-05-25T07:09:26Z] or use chimera to bootstrap kiss lmao [2025-05-25T07:11:30Z] I dont recall it being that bad really. I did it on my laptop [2025-05-25T07:11:38Z] maybe ive just supressed it in my memory [2025-05-25T08:53:44Z] wonder if there are any somewhat reliable microsd cards [2025-05-25T08:53:58Z] its about that time where i feel like i should replace the one ive been using with my rpi [2025-05-25T08:57:26Z] supposedly the 128gb samsung pro endurance microsd cards are rated for ~820tbw [2025-05-25T09:06:56Z] kris_: I think the sandisk extreme series is *fairly* reliable. I think thats what theyre called anyhow [2025-05-25T09:07:07Z] also, in the sense that a sdcard is reliable [2025-05-25T09:07:40Z] sdcards is not reliable, nor is usbsticks. strangly enough. wouldve though they figured out a way for make them decent by now [2025-05-25T09:07:49Z] i mean ive never had any sd cards or usb sticks fail *personally* [2025-05-25T09:07:55Z] only sata ssds and mechanical drives [2025-05-25T09:08:16Z] and nah the extreme series aren't particularly great for endurance [2025-05-25T09:08:45Z] the sandisk "max endurance" line is just under samsungs pro endurance ones, both are solid [2025-05-25T09:10:31Z] im looking around because im considering setting up one of my rpis as a local xbps repo and right now the sd card i have in it is some sandisk "imagemate plus" 64gb so i have low expectations [2025-05-25T09:12:11Z] me neither. but ive also not really had much use for either. I had a camaera once, which had an sdcard, and expect for live usbs, I dont really use either.. [2025-05-25T09:12:43Z] there was an odd point in time where i had my primary OS installed on a 128gb usb 3 flash drive [2025-05-25T09:13:02Z] hm, I see. ive just seen some youtubers whos dont really have any means to store their fotage between shots, so they kinda need something reliable [2025-05-25T09:13:18Z] I see [2025-05-25T09:14:32Z] suppose i could also just put this repo in a virtual machine on one of my thin clients [2025-05-25T09:20:08Z] the setup grows ever complex [2025-05-25T09:43:57Z] just install kiss on everything and rid yourself on all of this complexness [2025-05-25T09:44:18Z] or gkiss if you must [2025-05-25T09:44:49Z] do you currently daily drive kiss [2025-05-25T09:45:56Z] also yes at some point i intend on simplifying my software stack a bit but that's a long way out and i need to write a build system before doing that [2025-05-25T09:46:06Z] both yes and no. I dont have a tarball which I use, I do have kiss installed. I use oasis as a base, and then use kiss to extend it. [2025-05-25T09:46:08Z] i'll probably try to keep compat with kiss packages [2025-05-25T09:46:19Z] I still have more or less the same setup as I did on kiss though [2025-05-25T09:46:42Z] right now im sorting out how to build things in proper isolation mentally [2025-05-25T09:46:43Z] you dont have to write anything aside from package scripts for kiss [2025-05-25T09:46:52Z] yeah i packaged a bunch of stuff before i ran out of motivation [2025-05-25T09:47:00Z] "packaged" [2025-05-25T09:47:14Z] https://github.com/kkrruumm/basix [2025-05-25T09:47:28Z] github.com/hovercats/oakiss is my current setup, before that, I used kiss-dumpsterfire repo. which houses basically the same setup [2025-05-25T09:47:54Z] right. but youre missing all the core stuff. the nitty gritty stuff, like disabling 1 thing on curl that you figured out you dont need [2025-05-25T09:48:03Z] lol [2025-05-25T09:48:05Z] see that's what i don't care to do [2025-05-25T09:48:19Z] if i build something id rather it just have everything enabled unless i decide to explicitly disable something, not the other way around [2025-05-25T09:48:33Z] you could also just use upstream and community, and package w/e is missing [2025-05-25T09:48:54Z] that creates bloat [2025-05-25T09:49:02Z] anyway, im probably going to use namespaces to have filesystem/process isolation for builds [2025-05-25T09:49:12Z] though. but I get it. less inconvinience I suppose [2025-05-25T09:49:15Z] package cache on the host, if you've already built X and need it for Y, jump right to Y [2025-05-25T09:49:18Z] otherwise compile both and cache both [2025-05-25T09:49:25Z] I see [2025-05-25T09:49:56Z] i'm not really upset by most "bloat" there's just certain software i find obtuse [2025-05-25T09:50:20Z] something like kiss is the best solution to that because i'm the one in control of the entire system without having to fight it [2025-05-25T09:50:38Z] I get that. but youre saving both time and space if you remove unneccessary shit. except the time you spent figuing out wether you need something obscure from a pacakge though :p [2025-05-25T09:50:48Z] right [2025-05-25T09:50:54Z] i went on a "modern linux is a joke" rant a few hours ago but at some point i may just make a youtube video about that opinion of mine [2025-05-25T09:51:01Z] ^ not in here [2025-05-25T09:51:33Z] but really the kernel pisses me off too these days with how unstable its been recently [2025-05-25T09:51:33Z] give me a tldr on why modern linux is a joke [2025-05-25T09:52:14Z] the ecosystem seems very happy to accept what are clear EEE attacks via things like systemd, and there's this mentality of "meh its good enough because it works well enough" that i'm really not a fan of- guess i was raised to have a mentality of "absolutely never settle for less than the best you can do" [2025-05-25T09:52:30Z] some things that "work well enough" would be things like glibc which are active security problems that people seem happy to ignore [2025-05-25T09:52:37Z] and if the mainline kernel is too unstable, just use lts man. im still on 5.4.xxx :p. the oldest lts available [2025-05-25T09:52:42Z] hw is too new for that [2025-05-25T09:52:53Z] 6.12 is the oldest version i'm willing to use and it has a lot of amdgpu bugs [2025-05-25T09:53:17Z] since i have a core ultra chip in my desktop there's a lot of scheduling changes i need for my system to behave as it should [2025-05-25T09:53:28Z] I get that those kinds of situations are not ideal, but its kinda what we got. if noone is stepping up to fix it, its just going to be left unfixed. [2025-05-25T09:53:31Z] ah, I see [2025-05-25T09:53:48Z] chimera linux is stepping up to fix it i just dont entirely agree with the direction of certain things [2025-05-25T09:53:50Z] mine stable as a rock, also amdgpu. laptop though [2025-05-25T09:54:05Z] i don't like dinit very much, one thing i **cannot fucking stand** is external logic and implicit behavior for things like services [2025-05-25T09:54:09Z] have you tried bsd? [2025-05-25T09:54:11Z] runit is the only thing that's logical to me [2025-05-25T09:54:21Z] yeah, i was a freebsd community staff member for a while and run openbsd on a few boxes [2025-05-25T09:54:31Z] nothings stopping you from just removing dinit though, even on chimera [2025-05-25T09:54:45Z] there are a few things about it i dislike so id end up just doing my own thing [2025-05-25T09:54:48Z] why arent you dayling those? [2025-05-25T09:54:54Z] I see [2025-05-25T09:54:55Z] lack of modularity irritates me [2025-05-25T09:55:03Z] I get that [2025-05-25T09:55:03Z] or rather maybe not a lack of, just a disinterest in it [2025-05-25T09:55:14Z] you *can* replace freebsds init with runit if you want to, but you shouldn't. [2025-05-25T09:55:18Z] I suppose thats just kinda one of those *modern linux* things [2025-05-25T09:55:39Z] also i absolutely have to have a decent hypervisor and openbsd does not have that [2025-05-25T09:55:50Z] most distros are in a sense *locked* into w/e they ship. but if you want to, nothing stops you from just getting it out of your way [2025-05-25T09:55:50Z] given a reality where it does i'll probably use that more often instead of just on network related boxes [2025-05-25T09:55:55Z] ah [2025-05-25T09:56:07Z] does bhyve not work for you? [2025-05-25T09:56:28Z] it would but there are other aspects of that system that annoy me [2025-05-25T09:56:33Z] you see my conundrum here? lol [2025-05-25T09:56:53Z] certain things are like 80% the way to what i want (void linux) but nothing gets closer, though this 100% solution *does* exist i just need to create it when i have the time [2025-05-25T09:57:41Z] yeah I get what you mean. myself I wish I could have everything under oasis' buildsystem. but it would take fucking forever to package.... [2025-05-25T09:57:52Z] voids build system is absolutely amazing but it hard depends on bash which gets on my nerves but that's not even remotely as bad as some distro requiring python for base system utils [2025-05-25T09:57:53Z] also, not sure how it would be in terms of actually building from scratch :p [2025-05-25T09:58:01Z] that's an immediate way to piss me off- requiring python for something integral to the system [2025-05-25T09:58:17Z] ahah, yeah chimera uses python for their building stuff... [2025-05-25T09:58:33Z] im fine with most compiled langs and shell [2025-05-25T09:58:37Z] situationally, perl [2025-05-25T09:59:32Z] I wish C was all there is, appart from posix sh and rc. oasis is already there, but man, theres no js browser :c [2025-05-25T09:59:44Z] also, I want a floating wm, not tiling like velox [2025-05-25T09:59:51Z] but yes, i like openbsd a lot, it's just not up to the point of being something i would run bare metal outside of something like a router / vpn box / firewall / etc [2025-05-25T10:00:02Z] I get that [2025-05-25T10:00:03Z] freebsd is absolutely 100% daily driveable on desktop, including gaming [2025-05-25T10:00:17Z] neat [2025-05-25T10:00:39Z] they have some repo issues though, like the entire OS trying to pull in pulseaudio which is undesireable if you're using wayland [2025-05-25T10:01:22Z] thought pulseaudio is what people wanted to use. not me though, im fine on alsa :D [2025-05-25T10:01:40Z] I find everything else to be too complex [2025-05-25T10:01:41Z] nah pipewire is the standard now because it handles both audio and video and things like wayland WMs require it for screen capture [2025-05-25T10:01:52Z] or rather, tinyalsa + alsa-lib [2025-05-25T10:01:53Z] is the correct way [2025-05-25T10:02:00Z] right [2025-05-25T10:02:03Z] i would try it if i didnt have to have pipewire [2025-05-25T10:02:23Z] but i have compat with everything because if some software wants jack/alsa/pulse i can just install that compatibility package and itll work with pipewire [2025-05-25T10:02:28Z] all of those being 100% optional [2025-05-25T10:04:39Z] I would mostly like sndio and tinyalsa alone, but I dont think that actually works. I swear I got it working couple years ago, but I could never get it to work after that [2025-05-25T10:06:24Z] never heard of sndio [2025-05-25T10:06:31Z] its a openbsd thing [2025-05-25T10:06:58Z] its on void aswell, as an option anyway [2025-05-25T10:09:35Z] neat [2025-05-25T10:09:39Z] will have to look into it [2025-05-25T10:09:47Z] although im kinda stuck where i'm at because i need screen cap [2025-05-25T10:12:47Z] right. never hurts to have a peak though [2025-05-25T10:14:44Z] i love these little dell micro towers [2025-05-25T10:14:53Z] so easy to disassemble for cleaning and whatnot, this one is a 3040 micro [2025-05-25T10:15:45Z] nice [2025-05-25T16:14:51Z] hi guys [2025-05-25T16:14:55Z] whats up [2025-05-25T16:14:58Z] hey [2025-05-25T16:15:01Z] nm [2025-05-25T16:15:09Z] layin around [2025-05-25T16:15:11Z] u? [2025-05-25T16:15:51Z] dressing to get some dinner [2025-05-25T16:16:11Z] whats for dinner? [2025-05-25T16:16:25Z] dont know, just normal brazillian dinner [2025-05-25T16:16:35Z] fair ig [2025-05-25T16:17:30Z] rice, chicken, farofa, beans and salad [2025-05-25T16:17:41Z] farofa? [2025-05-25T16:17:41Z] i dont know the word for farofa lolol [2025-05-25T16:17:46Z] oooh [2025-05-25T16:17:58Z] meal [2025-05-25T16:18:02Z] i think it is [2025-05-25T16:18:04Z] cassava [2025-05-25T16:18:07Z] ye [2025-05-25T16:18:11Z] cassava? [2025-05-25T16:18:12Z] cassava flour [2025-05-25T16:18:23Z] thats what computer says [2025-05-25T16:18:40Z] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farofa [2025-05-25T16:18:54Z] looks good [2025-05-25T16:19:54Z] yeah [2025-05-25T16:19:56Z] thats it [2025-05-25T16:20:04Z] we made it like we fried it [2025-05-25T16:20:08Z] the cassava [2025-05-25T16:20:12Z] ye' [2025-05-25T16:20:27Z] and put some garlic [2025-05-25T16:20:33Z] in general [2025-05-25T16:20:39Z] fried garlic [2025-05-25T16:22:13Z] * midfavila nodnods [2025-05-25T16:35:34Z] lasaga [2025-05-25T16:52:03Z] i hate arch i hate arch i hate arch i hate arch [2025-05-25T16:57:04Z] you will drink the corn syrup sewn [2025-05-25T16:57:07Z] you will install arch [2025-05-25T16:57:20Z] you will use systemd and glibc and gnu coreutils on your "minimalist" system [2025-05-25T16:57:34Z] and you WILL like it [2025-05-25T17:19:56Z] actually im fine with glibc and coreutils and my "minimalist system" [2025-05-25T17:20:01Z] i just have a problem with this retarded packaging [2025-05-25T17:20:18Z] its not any better than just doing everything yourself on kiss bruh [2025-05-25T17:20:54Z] probably gonna switch to windows [2025-05-25T17:26:48Z] bruh [2025-05-25T17:26:51Z] why arch? [2025-05-25T17:27:35Z] i thought you were using alpine [2025-05-25T17:30:10Z] needs glibc for android studio or something [2025-05-25T17:30:36Z] why android studio? [2025-05-25T17:30:50Z] and not just phone and scrpy [2025-05-25T17:31:20Z] android studio is ram enemy [2025-05-25T17:31:34Z] Yeah -- musl is a great idea. Alpine and Void have both got strong musl-offerings, but sometimes it does make using them awkward. I've a few systems using Alpine, have done for years. It's useful to check for coder compat against something that's not glibc, bit how many people will appreciate that, is unclear. [2025-05-25T17:33:47Z] ram enemy lmao [2025-05-25T17:33:58Z] i like that description [2025-05-25T18:00:32Z] kris_: how did you know wtf [2025-05-25T18:14:47Z] thomas_adam: at the least we appreciate the checks [2025-05-25T18:14:51Z] :3 [2025-05-25T18:14:55Z] so thank you [2025-05-25T18:16:42Z] midfavila: Well, I find it very interesting, and strive to keep the projects I maintain musl-compatible. [2025-05-25T18:24:48Z] sewn know what [2025-05-25T18:24:56Z] that i needed it for android s tudio [2025-05-25T18:25:44Z] because you told me that earlier [2025-05-25T18:26:04Z] i mean [2025-05-25T18:26:08Z] i never said i needed it for that [2025-05-25T18:26:23Z] i just said something about it only [2025-05-25T18:27:28Z] context clues [2025-05-25T18:31:27Z] also alpine is kind of the backbone of the cloud world so i imagine a lot of people appreciate it [2025-05-25T18:34:05Z] muh docker [2025-05-25T18:34:08Z] muh 'tainers [2025-05-25T18:40:01Z] truly [2025-05-25T18:53:09Z] bleh void has some really fucking weird issues on the pi 3b+ [2025-05-25T18:53:18Z] * kris_ is going to eat my words and just use alpine [2025-05-25T18:53:21Z] his* [2025-05-25T18:53:22Z] ig [2025-05-25T18:59:14Z] so odd how i can pull ~200 Mbit/s upload with this pi 3b+ but can only manage around 20 down [2025-05-25T19:38:08Z] any of you guys have udev or eudev packaged? [2025-05-25T19:38:25Z] i will try it to see if changes the screensharing [2025-05-25T20:21:13Z] your persistence baffles me [2025-05-25T20:23:35Z] persistence is a highly respectable trait [2025-05-25T20:32:21Z] lol [2025-05-25T20:32:26Z] is my nature [2025-05-25T20:32:56Z] i just cant give up on something that seems to work for everyone [2025-05-25T20:46:47Z] sewn: you literally told us the other day when asked about why glibc [2025-05-25T20:46:59Z] false [2025-05-25T20:49:11Z] nope https://libera.catirclogs.org/kisslinux/2025-05-24#38197023 [2025-05-25T20:49:29Z] ah well, android sdk actually, but potato potato [2025-05-25T20:50:33Z] smhh