[2025-05-28T15:58:15Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: write it in dtksh
[2025-05-28T15:58:20Z] <midfavila> i expect a full motif interface 
[2025-05-28T17:20:29Z] <kris_> alphabet soup
[2025-05-28T18:08:16Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: never heard of it lol. id rather use rc. I try to use rc for all of my scripts really
[2025-05-28T18:08:27Z] <sad_plan> I still have some left that I have not converted though
[2025-05-28T18:08:42Z] <sad_plan> I should look into those again some time
[2025-05-28T18:15:21Z] <sad_plan> theres also ircrc though. ive not been able to find the original. only qwx's fork. so to speak
[2025-05-28T18:42:24Z] <midfavila> kris_: it's CDE's shell
[2025-05-28T18:42:36Z] <midfavila> afaik it has motif integration sort of like tcl's wish
[2025-05-28T18:42:41Z] <kris_> oh i didnt mean the shell i just like saying that 
[2025-05-28T18:43:31Z] <midfavila> o
[2025-05-28T18:43:33Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-05-28T18:43:42Z] <kris_> i still just use bash
[2025-05-28T18:43:45Z] <kris_> also known as badass shell
[2025-05-28T18:45:24Z] <midfavila> bloated as shit hell
[2025-05-28T18:45:30Z] <midfavila> more like
[2025-05-28T18:57:15Z] <kris_> perchanse
[2025-05-28T18:57:31Z] <kris_> idk it's not something i can really get rid of, so
[2025-05-28T19:08:21Z] <sad_plan> sure you can kris_, just install kiss
[2025-05-28T19:10:18Z] <midfavila> :3cccccccccccc
[2025-05-28T19:12:03Z] <kris_> i think i'm just not based enough
[2025-05-28T19:12:36Z] <midfavila> soon
[2025-05-28T19:12:38Z] <midfavila> soon
[2025-05-28T19:12:55Z] <kris_> probably never
[2025-05-28T19:13:15Z] <kris_> if i'm going to fork an entire repo i'm going to write a new package manager while i'm at it and i havent bothered 
[2025-05-28T19:16:18Z] <kris_> if packages are going to be split or have things disabled i really prefer the way alpine handles that compared to anything else
[2025-05-28T19:16:31Z] <kris_> in the sense that there's no real effort involved in undoing that decision if you need to
[2025-05-28T19:17:40Z] <kris_> midfavila if you use a torrent client which do you use
[2025-05-28T19:25:49Z] <sad_plan> theres no need to fork everything. just fork what you need changed. yes, itll probably be many packages, but so be it. you can symlink version, sources, and checksums if anything
[2025-05-28T19:26:13Z] <kris_> yeah it just became kind of a lot of stuff that needed changed
[2025-05-28T19:26:57Z] <sad_plan> thats life man. deal with it :D
[2025-05-28T19:27:07Z] <sad_plan> youll come out on top in the end, just gotta do the work
[2025-05-28T19:27:24Z] <kris_> my solution here is to not deal
[2025-05-28T19:27:26Z] <midfavila> kris_ btpd 
[2025-05-28T19:27:32Z] <kris_> later on i might have more time to deal with this
[2025-05-28T19:27:37Z] <kris_> im gonna be babysitting 8 hours per day mon-fri shortly
[2025-05-28T19:28:04Z] <kris_> which hopefully means i can just vibe with a laptop and bullshit around, but im guessing not since theres three kids and one of them is batshit crazy
[2025-05-28T19:29:20Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: do you like btpd? ive never tried it, but its been on my list of software that seems decent
[2025-05-28T19:30:05Z] <kris_> im guessing this doesnt have interface binding
[2025-05-28T19:30:34Z] <kris_> yeah doesnt seem so
[2025-05-28T19:31:00Z] <kris_> also apparently aria2 supports bittorrent
[2025-05-28T19:33:42Z] <sad_plan> corrrect, aria2 supports torrenting
[2025-05-28T19:36:04Z] <sad_plan> also, if your setup isnt ideal kris_ , do something about it man. start from scratch if you have to even
[2025-05-28T19:37:51Z] <kris_> eventually and maybe
[2025-05-28T19:38:06Z] <sad_plan> do iiit
[2025-05-28T19:38:07Z] <kris_> none of my setups cause me any pain, there are just certain categories where there just *isn't* good software
[2025-05-28T19:38:13Z] <kris_> see: the kernel
[2025-05-28T19:38:14Z] <kris_> see: torrent clients
[2025-05-28T19:38:19Z] <kris_> see: web browsers, etc
[2025-05-28T19:39:17Z] <kris_> there are, however, places where i think absolutely *perfect* software exists, a good example would be runit
[2025-05-28T19:39:42Z] <sad_plan> cant really do much about the kernel, unless you switch OS. theres lots of torrent client, but maybe you should review your requirements? same with browser. im fine with surf really. but whenever I eventually switch to wayland, id either have to use xwayland, or no longer use surf. unless i patch it though
[2025-05-28T19:40:01Z] <kris_> xwayland works completely fine unless you have an nvidia gpu
[2025-05-28T19:40:11Z] <sad_plan> which is what I do
[2025-05-28T19:40:17Z] <kris_> unlucko
[2025-05-28T19:40:31Z] <kris_> honestly even there its not as problematic as it was at one point
[2025-05-28T19:40:43Z] <sad_plan> I havent specifically tried something i know is only X yeat, but works fine on cachyOS anyway. same with nobara
[2025-05-28T19:40:49Z] <kris_> i havent heard any valid complaints about nvidia+wayland or just wayland in general in a loooong time
[2025-05-28T19:40:57Z] <sad_plan> exacly
[2025-05-28T19:41:18Z] <sad_plan> some people will just nag about it regardless, but ive been fine since I started using it really
[2025-05-28T19:41:24Z] <sad_plan> no complaints really
[2025-05-28T19:41:36Z] <kris_> most of the complaints about wayland come from not understanding what it is
[2025-05-28T19:41:36Z] <sad_plan> apprt from drivers perhaps
[2025-05-28T19:41:40Z] <kris_> and expecting it to behave like x does
[2025-05-28T19:41:43Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2025-05-28T19:42:05Z] <midfavila> sad_plan btpd isn't perfect but it works and it's comfy 
[2025-05-28T19:42:08Z] <sad_plan> thats like saying linux sucks, because it doesnt behave like windows. which a lot of people complain about
[2025-05-28T19:42:25Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: nice, maybe ill try it once
[2025-05-28T19:42:25Z] <midfavila> kris_ use links2 patched to support xembed paired with tabbed(1)
[2025-05-28T19:42:34Z] <midfavila> also wayland bad
[2025-05-28T19:42:36Z] <midfavila> use xfbdev
[2025-05-28T19:42:44Z] <sad_plan> ah, nice. its c99 too
[2025-05-28T19:43:07Z] <sad_plan> xfbdev is terribly slow on larger screen. atleast on my ultrawide 32"
[2025-05-28T19:43:23Z] <sad_plan> I still use xfbdev on laptop though
[2025-05-28T19:43:38Z] <kris_> midfavila absolutely not
[2025-05-28T19:43:44Z] <midfavila> absolutely yes
[2025-05-28T19:43:48Z] <midfavila> i can't use motif on wayland 
[2025-05-28T19:43:49Z] <kris_> i'm fine enough on librewolf for now but i'm still scared of mozilla
[2025-05-28T19:44:08Z] <midfavila> idk why you wouldn't use links
[2025-05-28T19:44:12Z] <midfavila> unless you use a lot of web apps
[2025-05-28T19:44:12Z] <sad_plan> mozilla isnt going anywhere
[2025-05-28T19:44:14Z] <midfavila> or w/e
[2025-05-28T19:44:21Z] <kris_> sad_plan yeah that's the problem
[2025-05-28T19:44:25Z] <kris_> mozilla is very clearly malicious
[2025-05-28T19:44:29Z] <kris_> firefox has been borderline malware for years
[2025-05-28T19:44:43Z] <sad_plan> right, and chrome isnt?
[2025-05-28T19:44:55Z] <kris_> i didn't say chrome isn't
[2025-05-28T19:45:06Z] <kris_> see my previous comment about categories where there are no good options
[2025-05-28T19:45:41Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: people usually want JS support for one. id love to just use netsurf on oasis though. albeit I dont like how it looks, or the missing vim keybindings
[2025-05-28T19:45:44Z] <midfavila> the web in general is garbag
[2025-05-28T19:45:50Z] <midfavila> garbage*
[2025-05-28T19:45:56Z] <sad_plan> kris_: surf is cool though
[2025-05-28T19:46:00Z] <sad_plan> yeah I know midfavila 
[2025-05-28T19:46:02Z] <midfavila> surf is literally just webkit
[2025-05-28T19:46:15Z] <midfavila> surf sucks by that vice alone
[2025-05-28T19:46:48Z] <sad_plan> sure. but atleast the browser itself is hackable
[2025-05-28T19:46:56Z] <sad_plan> although I wish webkit didnt suck as much
[2025-05-28T19:47:59Z] <midfavila> honestly i don't even get why people use the web aside from maybe a few things for work
[2025-05-28T19:48:07Z] <midfavila> at least like, in this "circle"
[2025-05-28T19:48:22Z] <midfavila> most stuff can be done either without js, or locally
[2025-05-28T19:48:22Z] <kris_> i don't use it for all that much
[2025-05-28T19:48:31Z] <kris_> search engine for like stackoverflow, youtube, github, and mastodon
[2025-05-28T19:48:33Z] <kris_> and that's about it
[2025-05-28T19:48:37Z] <midfavila> and what can't be, you can just run firefox and stuff in a container 
[2025-05-28T19:48:41Z] <midfavila> or a vm or w/e
[2025-05-28T19:49:20Z] <sad_plan> ive been thinking about using conty for this really. but I havent gotten it to work. this way I dont really need much besides a GUI working
[2025-05-28T19:49:25Z] <sad_plan> rest is handled by conty
[2025-05-28T19:49:38Z] <sad_plan> and a terminal that is ofcourse
[2025-05-28T19:51:49Z] <kris_> yeah i figure im going back to rtorrent since i at least know what not to do because it'll segfault if i do
[2025-05-28T19:51:58Z] <kris_> configure it once and just drop .torrent files into a directory and don't touch it type of deal
[2025-05-28T19:52:33Z] <sad_plan> I kinda like that. I use that kind of setup on laptop. although now I mostly dl stuff on desktop instead, and just transfer them
[2025-05-28T19:53:03Z] <kris_> meh i only use private trackers and part of the requirements are like
[2025-05-28T19:53:07Z] <kris_> "you have to seed or we're going to ban you"
[2025-05-28T19:53:17Z] <kris_> which is 100% valid because unless you give back upload you shouldnt be allowed to download
[2025-05-28T19:53:32Z] <kris_> so its kinda a thing where i have a server up 24/7
[2025-05-28T19:53:42Z] <sad_plan> im aware of that stuff. you can add same torrents from puclib trackers though. and seed this way
[2025-05-28T19:54:01Z] <kris_> yeah i just dont use public trackers, quality is awful overall
[2025-05-28T19:54:06Z] <sad_plan> which last time i checked, is valid
[2025-05-28T19:54:08Z] <kris_> even if there are a handful of shared torrents
[2025-05-28T19:54:22Z] <sad_plan> if its the same torrent, how does that even matter?
[2025-05-28T19:54:24Z] <kris_> it is valid yeah, certain "private" trackers like torrentleech recommend doing that if you're newly invited to get your ratio up
[2025-05-28T19:54:35Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-05-28T19:54:57Z] <kris_> and it doesnt matter if it is the same torrent but i mean overall the quality of public trackers sucks
[2025-05-28T19:55:03Z] <kris_> because there aren't a lot of those shared torrents
[2025-05-28T19:55:48Z] <kris_> a lot of the private trackers that exist are kind of shit though like IPT
[2025-05-28T19:55:52Z] <kris_> and honestly red is terrible
[2025-05-28T19:55:57Z] <sad_plan> I dont ever miss anything I want to dl really. I dont use any private trackers at all
[2025-05-28T19:56:12Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I know, some sucks donkey balls
[2025-05-28T19:56:13Z] <midfavila> ngl
[2025-05-28T19:56:22Z] <midfavila> the only reason i don't torrent is because there's nothing worth torrenting
[2025-05-28T19:56:23Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-05-28T19:56:41Z] <kris_> tis how i consume all of my media that isnt music
[2025-05-28T19:56:47Z] <midfavila> download it from invidious
[2025-05-28T19:56:52Z] <midfavila> muh muh flacs
[2025-05-28T19:56:52Z] <midfavila> idc
[2025-05-28T19:56:55Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-05-28T19:57:03Z] <kris_> why would i download music from youtube lmfao
[2025-05-28T19:57:11Z] <midfavila> because it's sufficient 
[2025-05-28T19:57:37Z] <kris_> i also have a pretty wild amount of storage and have blind tested 320kbps AAC vs cd quality FLAC multiple times to prove to people that they're being idiots
[2025-05-28T19:57:45Z] <kris_> on $25 IEMs no less
[2025-05-28T19:58:13Z] <midfavila> i think it's all a bit foolish 
[2025-05-28T19:58:15Z] * midfavila sips
[2025-05-28T19:58:26Z] <midfavila> but to each their own ig
[2025-05-28T19:58:26Z] <kris_> maybe but music is highly emotional and important to me
[2025-05-28T19:58:34Z] <kris_> and when i absolutely can hear a difference id rather the better one
[2025-05-28T19:58:41Z] <sad_plan> I dont belvie most people can tell the difference between flac, and a 320kbps mp3 though
[2025-05-28T19:58:47Z] <sad_plan> but a 128 and flac, yes
[2025-05-28T19:58:54Z] <kris_> maybe they can't
[2025-05-28T19:59:08Z] <kris_> it's not obvious with a lot of music but with a massive chunk it is but i don't think low quality music is worth archiving anyway
[2025-05-28T19:59:12Z] <kris_> not when you can get cd quality
[2025-05-28T19:59:14Z] <kris_> just as easily, too
[2025-05-28T19:59:45Z] <sad_plan> maybe it depends on the music. I dunno. ive had pretty decent stereo, and 128 was dogshiit, but I cant recall hearing any substatial difference between 320 mp3,  or flac
[2025-05-28T20:00:19Z] <kris_> it may also be a learned thing via exposure
[2025-05-28T20:00:28Z] <kris_> there's not a moment i'm not listening to music and it's always lossless
[2025-05-28T20:00:38Z] <kris_> so when i hear something that is lossy it's kind of blatant
[2025-05-28T20:01:01Z] <sad_plan> perhaps
[2025-05-28T20:01:21Z] <kris_> ive given up a fair amount of quality recently though by maining my sennheiser hd58x
[2025-05-28T20:01:28Z] <kris_> wearing IEMs 24/7 was fucking with my ears
[2025-05-28T20:01:30Z] <sad_plan> not all music is available in lossless though. and I dont have space on my phone to have everythinh in lossless either
[2025-05-28T20:01:47Z] <sad_plan> not that my phone would give me that experience either with shitty earplugs
[2025-05-28T20:02:02Z] <kris_> it would, IEMs are incredibly OP 
[2025-05-28T20:02:15Z] <sad_plan> I dunno what that is even
[2025-05-28T20:02:19Z] <kris_> $9 apple usbc to 3.5mm adapter which is your DAC + $25-30 IEMs and you're endgame
[2025-05-28T20:02:27Z] <kris_> IEM == in ear monitor, basically pretentious earbuds
[2025-05-28T20:02:51Z] <kris_> worthwhile mention are the 7hz zero:2 for $25, truthear zero:red for ~$55
[2025-05-28T20:03:16Z] <kris_> fatiguing detail happens with the truthear novas at around $160 but they're super poorly built so i rarely touch mine
[2025-05-28T20:03:33Z] <midfavila> kris_ give me your music person opinion on this product https://www.crowdsupply.com/cool-tech-zone/tangara
[2025-05-28T20:03:41Z] <sad_plan> kris_:  i see
[2025-05-28T20:03:53Z] <midfavila> do it 
[2025-05-28T20:03:53Z] <midfavila> rn
[2025-05-28T20:04:02Z] <kris_> midfavila good because streaming music is braindead
[2025-05-28T20:04:16Z] <midfavila> yes obviously but beyond that if possible tho
[2025-05-28T20:05:34Z] <kris_> questionable DAC choice
[2025-05-28T20:06:07Z] <midfavila> explain
[2025-05-28T20:06:07Z] <kris_> the amp is really powerful for what the device is, you can probably drive most high resistance over-ears off of it fine but with super high resistance ones like ~250ohms+ you may get a hit to your bass or just volume in general situationally
[2025-05-28T20:06:16Z] <midfavila> teach me
[2025-05-28T20:06:32Z] <kris_> the thing is, lower frequencies are harder to push than higher frequencies
[2025-05-28T20:06:44Z] <kris_> so it could unbalance the sound if you plug something into it that has too much resistance
[2025-05-28T20:06:50Z] <kris_> best case you just have to crank volume
[2025-05-28T20:07:32Z] <kris_> as for the DAC, when you hear "difference" as most people do with this one as far as i can find online, that generally means it's not ideal
[2025-05-28T20:07:58Z] <kris_> like if you have a tube amp that's really low end for example itll change the sound compared to a solid state amp, but the moment you get an actually high end tube amp you're going to end up with something that sounds identical to solid state ones
[2025-05-28T20:08:19Z] <kris_> the 8740 would have maybe been a better pick but the 8524 is a lot simpler design wise so maybe that's why they chose it
[2025-05-28T20:08:45Z] <kris_> as far as what this DAC supports, it's stupid overkill
[2025-05-28T20:09:05Z] <kris_> 24bit / 192kHz is outside the human range of hearing and is only useful if you're mixing that audio and compressing it
[2025-05-28T20:09:18Z] <kris_> all of the codecs that matter are supported
[2025-05-28T20:09:30Z] <kris_> depending on how much this costs it's pretty good for a tldr
[2025-05-28T20:10:14Z] <kris_> you're going to be listening at 16 bit / 44.1kHz almost always so the 24b/192kHz being there doesnt hurt it's just not useful
[2025-05-28T20:10:18Z] <midfavila> is it going to be better than a shitty android do yuo reckon
[2025-05-28T20:10:23Z] <midfavila> you*
[2025-05-28T20:10:24Z] <kris_> infinitely
[2025-05-28T20:10:29Z] <midfavila> bc that's my bar
[2025-05-28T20:10:39Z] <kris_> it's not in the same category, this is an actual music player
[2025-05-28T20:10:45Z] <kris_> most android phones have dogshit DACs
[2025-05-28T20:11:03Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-05-28T20:11:32Z] <kris_> also supporting up to 2TiB via SDXC is nice
[2025-05-28T20:11:47Z] <kris_> so you shouldnt end up needing to compress music or anything and this is something that's actually valid to use with lossless
[2025-05-28T20:12:10Z] <kris_> i just don't know that i'd be plugging in like beyerdynamic T1s
[2025-05-28T20:12:31Z] <kris_> would bomb the sound of those but that's kind of unfair because those fuckers are 600 ohms iirc
[2025-05-28T20:12:49Z] <kris_> dt 1770s would also probably be questionable
[2025-05-28T20:13:16Z] <kris_> planars may be questionable depending on which specifically, planars are kind of notoriously hard to drive
[2025-05-28T20:13:21Z] <kris_> any form of in-ear audio will be fine 
[2025-05-28T20:13:32Z] <kris_> most of sennheisers headphones will be fine as a reference for over ears
[2025-05-28T20:13:58Z] <midfavila> i have uhhhhhhh
[2025-05-28T20:14:21Z] <midfavila> sony mdr7506 headphones for portable use
[2025-05-28T20:14:22Z] <kris_> if you're going to get something like this you should buy some sort of actual audio solution to go with it because otherwise you're flushing money down the toilet
[2025-05-28T20:14:35Z] <midfavila> so they should work well-ish
[2025-05-28T20:14:57Z] <kris_> this device is *very* overkill for those
[2025-05-28T20:16:23Z] <kris_> oh pre order $250
[2025-05-28T20:16:27Z] <kris_> that's not bad for this
[2025-05-28T20:17:16Z] <kris_> better than most other portable music players ive seen by a longshot and the ones that do beat it are a lot more expensive and run full blown android, so
[2025-05-28T20:19:05Z] <midfavila> just means if i ever graduate from average sound listener to average music enjoyer i can just get new headphones 
[2025-05-28T20:19:14Z] <midfavila> i don't need anything super crazy anyway
[2025-05-28T20:19:45Z] <midfavila> also wow i fucking hate network manager 
[2025-05-28T20:19:48Z] <midfavila> disconnects constantly
[2025-05-28T20:24:07Z] <kris_> yeah NM is in that tier of "fuck you & eat shit" software to me
[2025-05-28T20:24:23Z] <kris_> dhcpcd on all of my systems, add wpa_supplicant if i need wifi
[2025-05-28T20:24:33Z] <midfavila> i've never had issues with wpa_supplicant
[2025-05-28T20:24:42Z] <kris_> neither
[2025-05-28T20:24:42Z] <midfavila> or iwd
[2025-05-28T20:24:46Z] <midfavila> it's *only* networkmanager
[2025-05-28T20:24:49Z] <midfavila> even on the same machine
[2025-05-28T20:24:53Z] <kris_> yeah NM is just unbelievably awful
[2025-05-28T20:25:06Z] <kris_> i say that more often than i otherwise would because one of my friends got a job at redhat and works on NM now lol
[2025-05-28T20:25:09Z] <kris_> gotta mess with her
[2025-05-28T20:25:19Z] <midfavila> deserved ngl
[2025-05-28T20:25:28Z] <kris_> nah shes based
[2025-05-28T20:25:38Z] <kris_> and so are most people that work there from what ive heard its just the overlord assholes ruining things
[2025-05-28T20:25:57Z] <midfavila> usually how it goes