[2025-06-07T02:32:20Z] well I'll be damned [2025-06-07T02:32:30Z] clang built in 2 minutes with sccache [2025-06-07T02:32:49Z] freaking cheat code for building [2025-06-07T02:32:55Z] * kiedtl hasn't actually tested the package... [2025-06-07T02:42:49Z] actually nevermind. something's weird. clang --version says 20.1.5, when it should say 20.1.6. [2025-06-07T02:43:05Z] Probably sccache *sigh* [2025-06-07T03:19:33Z] Rebuilding it without sccache still results in a clang 20.1.5. Am I going crazy? Anyone else have this issue? [2025-06-07T04:29:03Z] seeing as it results in the same without sccache, sccache is not the issue. they probably forgot to bump the version kiedtl [2025-06-07T04:30:19Z] just wondering how to confirm that [2025-06-07T04:30:36Z] still not sure whether I've completely removed sccache, my shell is a mess of environment variable everywhere :v [2025-06-07T04:32:01Z] check the sources? version is listed somewhere in there. [2025-06-07T06:27:07Z] is someone else also having issues with types.h and stddef.h under kernel? I cant build kernel anymore. atleast not after bumpbing gcc to 15.1. [2025-06-07T06:27:27Z] http://0x0.st/8g9C.txt like this [2025-06-07T06:28:12Z] it doesnt seem to have changed across kernel versions either, so me being on 5.4.xxx seems irrelevant. [2025-06-07T08:32:17Z] hi sad_plan [2025-06-07T09:03:51Z] hi sewn [2025-06-07T18:38:26Z] Here you are! Fish and chips! https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/yPJJiDUt/IMG_0435.JPG [2025-06-07T18:44:09Z] I was in Salisbury (about 25 miles away from where I live) seeing a friend of mine. I always take the bus so I can have a drink -- it's a lovely journey. Very scenic. [2025-06-07T18:55:33Z] now i want fish and chips... [2025-06-07T18:56:35Z] i live downtown and one of my neighbours is a pub with the *best* fish and chips [2025-06-07T18:59:37Z] dealing with torrent clients still has me listening to slowed+reverb [2025-06-07T19:00:43Z] considering just deploying nixos for jellyfin+qbittorrent and giving up with everything else [2025-06-07T19:01:05Z] not because i'm having trouble getting other combinations to work or anything they just all fucking suck [2025-06-07T19:02:12Z] midfavila: You have to appreciate, if you're in a foreign country, it's unlikely I can believe you... ;) [2025-06-07T19:02:15Z] on an adjacent note, i really need tos tart moving some things away from void linux [2025-06-07T19:02:25Z] that pains me but i'm getting irritated [2025-06-07T19:03:01Z] seems like a lot of updates aren't tested whatsoever these days [2025-06-07T19:03:22Z] thomas_adam: fwiw the cook is from england [2025-06-07T19:03:25Z] so [2025-06-07T19:03:32Z] maybe that has a bit of credibility :P [2025-06-07T19:04:34Z] kris_: you're gonna need to change your name to kiss_ at this rate [2025-06-07T19:04:35Z] one of us [2025-06-07T19:04:36Z] one of us [2025-06-07T19:04:38Z] one of us [2025-06-07T19:04:40Z] midfavila: Having seen the state from different Youtube reviews of so-called "English" chefs cooking F&C, I reamain to be convinced... [2025-06-07T19:04:47Z] midfavila on my desktop maybe lol [2025-06-07T19:04:52Z] well, fair enough thomas_adam :P [2025-06-07T19:04:53Z] i have too many installs to be using kiss for everything [2025-06-07T19:04:58Z] too much maintenance [2025-06-07T19:05:14Z] s/reamain/remain/ [2025-06-07T19:05:22Z] i'm just tired of things like >hey lxc got rebuilt, update, literally all of my infra instantly goes down [2025-06-07T19:05:34Z] >hey usbguard got updated, update it and immediately all of my usb devices stop working because the update **was not tested at all** [2025-06-07T19:05:43Z] like literally not at all [2025-06-07T19:06:10Z] never had that issue, gonna be real [2025-06-07T19:06:22Z] https on voids qbittorrent package doesn't even work [2025-06-07T19:06:39Z] some issue with how they're building qt [2025-06-07T19:07:13Z] of course i could just submit PRs but these seem like things you'd notice during testing on something that's supposedly "stable rolling" [2025-06-07T19:08:02Z] and i have another issue with VMs hanging up on void musl on my virtual machine hosts that has been pretty much impossible to troubleshoot [2025-06-07T19:08:24Z] inb4 notabug wontfix [2025-06-07T19:08:42Z] re qbittorrent [2025-06-07T19:08:44Z] i don't mean to badmouth anyone or void at all i'm just starting to boil [2025-06-07T19:08:54Z] getting ANGY [2025-06-07T19:08:56Z] >:CCCC [2025-06-07T19:08:59Z] that's fair tho [2025-06-07T19:09:12Z] if i wanted packages to not work by default i'd use kiss [2025-06-07T19:09:14Z] hehe [2025-06-07T19:09:23Z] actually i've never had that problem on kiss [2025-06-07T19:09:26Z] it just wers [2025-06-07T19:09:27Z] werks [2025-06-07T19:09:37Z] the main problem w kiss for me is having to go back and reenable a ton of shit [2025-06-07T19:09:45Z] which takes a stupid amount of time and effort every time i decide to package something new [2025-06-07T19:09:51Z] yeah but [2025-06-07T19:09:57Z] once it's done it's done [2025-06-07T19:10:03Z] like basically forever [2025-06-07T19:10:09Z] the solution is to just use simpler tools not disable a bunch of shit in complex ones that leads to them being completely useless [2025-06-07T19:10:11Z] until you reenable [2025-06-07T19:10:23Z] i'm a fan of just enable pretty much everything something prvoides [2025-06-07T19:10:31Z] mmmmmmeh [2025-06-07T19:10:51Z] and yeah but if i were to want to use kiss for a bunch of different things i'd basically have to set up a build server [2025-06-07T19:10:58Z] to distribute packages to my other installs [2025-06-07T19:11:38Z] i don't care about per device optimizations in terms of compiler flags or anything like that because performance gains from that are so small they may as well not exist [2025-06-07T19:11:47Z] -O2 -mtune=generic hours [2025-06-07T19:11:53Z] i just ftp tarballs to my other machines [2025-06-07T19:12:01Z] as needed [2025-06-07T19:12:04Z] works fine [2025-06-07T19:12:48Z] chimera linux is interesting but holy shit some of the choices they've made are so bad [2025-06-07T19:13:00Z] chimera came from a desire to fix "issues with voids build system" and kinda turned into its own thing [2025-06-07T19:13:10Z] but really as far as i can gather, the "problem" with xbps-src is that it's written in shell instead of python lol [2025-06-07T19:13:15Z] same with dkms vs their ckms [2025-06-07T19:13:20Z] and a bunch of other shit [2025-06-07T19:13:42Z] kris_: Um... [2025-06-07T19:13:50Z] i havent found more specific information [2025-06-07T19:13:56Z] like, about what issues xbps-src may have [2025-06-07T19:14:10Z] kris_: I'd be interested in you justifying that... [2025-06-07T19:14:40Z] justifying my distaste for python in the context of base system tools? sure [2025-06-07T19:15:12Z] No, [2025-06-07T19:15:15Z] i'm a fan of the idea of using tools you already have in order to accomplish whatever task you may have as opposed to pulling in more dependencies for things when you don't need to in the context of a core component of systems [2025-06-07T19:15:46Z] ooh I heard chimera [2025-06-07T19:15:59Z] I see -- you're one of those... [2025-06-07T19:16:02Z] now we just need riteo to complete the set [2025-06-07T19:16:11Z] thomas_adam we're in #kisslinux [2025-06-07T19:16:14Z] thomas_adam: tbf- yeah [2025-06-07T19:16:15Z] kris_: xbps-src needs more though [2025-06-07T19:16:24Z] most everyone here is "one of those" more or less [2025-06-07T19:16:42Z] it forces you to use a sandbox (bwrap or whatever the hell) needs bash along with its nonposix utilities and [2025-06-07T19:16:46Z] however, chimeras choice of apk + patched musl caught my attention [2025-06-07T19:17:00Z] i'm not a fan of mimalloc though, would have preferred something else or just keeping malloc-ng [2025-06-07T19:17:07Z] performance..? [2025-06-07T19:17:09Z] their memcpy patch genuinely does make kind of a big diff though [2025-06-07T19:17:19Z] sewn yeah i played with that for a bit and it's not something i could actually notice [2025-06-07T19:17:36Z] maybe i'm not limited on resources enough, shrug [2025-06-07T19:18:05Z] you could revert back but why [2025-06-07T19:18:06Z] my concern here is with rolling things like a malloc impl that's entirely under microsofts control for the time being eventually leading to having to fork it when microsoft does their next stupid thing [2025-06-07T19:18:22Z] not that that *will* happen, i'm just concerned with future maintenance burden [2025-06-07T19:18:58Z] i am curious how chimeras port of freebsd utils works out though [2025-06-07T19:19:03Z] *that* is pretty cool [2025-06-07T19:20:12Z] thomas_adam: for reference, kiss' build system is more or less my preference for build systems and how complex they should be, and i'm a big fan of the decentralized nature of it being that people just host their own set of "packages" on git [2025-06-07T19:21:22Z] >has dependency resolution [2025-06-07T19:21:27Z] bloated [2025-06-07T19:21:32Z] you need to daily LFS kris_ [2025-06-07T19:21:33Z] i mean what more do you really need [2025-06-07T19:21:48Z] i do like how xbps-src builds packages in proper isolation though, as much as sewn has not been a fan of that [2025-06-07T19:21:58Z] useful? probably not, cool? yes. [2025-06-07T19:22:38Z] building things in a context where your build environment is more or less host agnostic is super neat [2025-06-07T19:23:50Z] midfavila i mean kiss may as well be LFS with a small wrapper around building things [2025-06-07T19:23:56Z] i just don't like having to undo things [2025-06-07T19:24:23Z] you need to manually punch in every bit using a front panel [2025-06-07T19:24:32Z] individually [2025-06-07T19:25:00Z] i need to finish bpm but one of the guys ive been planning it out with takes issue with my desire for the package manager and build system both being posix shell [2025-06-07T19:25:08Z] as opposed to C or rust [2025-06-07T19:25:35Z] but my mindset here is that for something that is a fundamentally simple operation that is very doable with posix shell, why would you add additional complexity when you already need to have a shell on the system [2025-06-07T19:25:43Z] and some coreutils impl to go with that [2025-06-07T19:27:07Z] also runit is top notch, i disagree with the sentiment a lot of people seem to have that you can't manage service dependencies with it [2025-06-07T19:27:08Z] kris_: because POSIX sh limits possible design [2025-06-07T19:27:18Z] runit is only racey if you're not paying attention to what you're doing [2025-06-07T19:27:20Z] package dependency management can be complex [2025-06-07T19:27:33Z] see the kiss proposals [2025-06-07T19:28:38Z] sewn yes it limits possible design but honestly i fail to imagine what you need out of a package manager that can't be done with shell [2025-06-07T19:28:54Z] ...see the kiss proposals [2025-06-07T19:29:02Z] link [2025-06-07T19:29:04Z] also kiss has lots of hacks to workaround POSIX sh features [2025-06-07T19:29:15Z] kris_: kiss-community/kiss issues [2025-06-07T19:29:17Z] everything is a "hack" [2025-06-07T19:29:28Z] it doesnt have to be [2025-06-07T19:29:35Z] and I'm not using hack in a negative connotation [2025-06-07T19:29:36Z] shell doesn't even have arrays kris_ [2025-06-07T19:29:37Z] lol [2025-06-07T19:29:47Z] there's a difference between minimalism and masochism [2025-06-07T19:29:48Z] i'm well aware of that and that's one of the things that makes me prefer bash as a scripting language [2025-06-07T19:29:54Z] but the logic is still fundamentally there [2025-06-07T19:30:17Z] you're being deontological [2025-06-07T19:30:52Z] minimalism and simplicity is great but there's nothing wrong with tasteful application of abstraction. and it's not like C89 or C99 with posix libs is like [2025-06-07T19:30:57Z] enormous or whatever [2025-06-07T19:31:32Z] theres a case to be made for using shell to write core utilities but sometimes other languages have sufficient advantage over shell to be worthwhile [2025-06-07T19:32:19Z] sewn the main thing i'm seeing here is https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/kiss/issues/135 [2025-06-07T19:32:43Z] midfavila i think everyone just has a differing definition of what constitutes a "sufficient advantage" [2025-06-07T19:32:59Z] and i need to make it clear that i'm not trying to shit on other peoples approach, i always speak from my own POV and with what i desire personally [2025-06-07T19:33:35Z] I agree with kris in that a system should be simple and only need the bare POSIX dependencies to bootstrap itself [2025-06-07T19:33:46Z] yes of course, i'm sure we're all in agreement on that [2025-06-07T19:33:50Z] but at the same time its just so hard trying to do because posix sh sucks [2025-06-07T19:33:53Z] my main thing is that like [2025-06-07T19:33:59Z] C also sucks [2025-06-07T19:34:07Z] KISS isn't about "using as little as possible" [2025-06-07T19:34:22Z] it's about minimising cognitive load and overall complexity [2025-06-07T19:34:30Z] that's exactly what my desire here is [2025-06-07T19:34:36Z] i don't like abstraction when it leads to implicity [2025-06-07T19:34:37Z] requiring intricate knowledge of posix shell parsing in order to compensate for lack of arrays is kind of silly [2025-06-07T19:34:46Z] ofc that's just one example [2025-06-07T19:34:55Z] not trying to pigeonhole you [2025-06-07T19:34:57Z] and i'm not justifying posix shs lack of arrays, that's super stupid [2025-06-07T19:35:07Z] but it's also not been something that has made me tear my hair out [2025-06-07T19:35:11Z] but it's an easy thing to point to, and emblematic of shell's broader issues [2025-06-07T19:35:20Z] or like, shell's quoting rules [2025-06-07T19:35:24Z] or its handling of spaces [2025-06-07T19:35:34Z] lots of little things that you have to always be aware of [2025-06-07T19:35:37Z] string manipulation has made me pretty pissed off in every language that isn't go [2025-06-07T19:36:19Z] i like posix sh string manipulation [2025-06-07T19:36:26Z] but it gets shitty when you need more than just cutting shit [2025-06-07T19:36:58Z] anyway i still have a bit of my overly complex infra to finish [2025-06-07T19:37:02Z] ive been playing network engineer for the past week [2025-06-07T19:37:07Z] * sewn has written a dictionary implementation in posix sh by treating argv as bunch of tuples [2025-06-07T19:37:28Z] the last thing left really is to get my media server back up and every possible combination here sucks [2025-06-07T19:37:36Z] perhaps the idea of this is fundamentally flawed [2025-06-07T19:37:50Z] things simplify quite a bit if i'd just play my videos with mpv or something and forget about tracking [2025-06-07T19:53:39Z] I've always wondered how ergonomic a bastardized lua with builtin command execution and pipes would be [2025-06-07T19:53:43Z] For replacing shell scripts [2025-06-07T19:54:18Z] it'd have pretty much everything -- pattern matching, all the usual control flow, arrays + maps, speed, portability, multiple returns, ... [2025-06-07T19:55:38Z] that would be interesting [2025-06-07T20:07:47Z] i love motts fruitsnacks [2025-06-07T20:10:43Z] https://elv.sh/ also seems pretty interesting [2025-06-07T20:11:23Z] too bad it's written in go :p would've liked to rewrite some kiss scripts in it for fun [2025-06-07T20:12:14Z] probably weird given my previous statements but i do enjoy go [2025-06-07T20:12:28Z] just situational [2025-06-07T20:12:29Z] more like go away [2025-06-07T20:12:29Z] smdh [2025-06-07T20:12:31Z] my [2025-06-07T20:12:32Z] head [2025-06-07T20:12:38Z] sdf my head [2025-06-07T20:14:31Z] I don't really have anything against go, except it being google's pet project [2025-06-07T20:14:41Z] Just don't think it'd be useful for kiss [2025-06-07T20:14:46Z] yeah that does concern me, and it probably isn't [2025-06-07T20:14:56Z] the only time ive really found an excuse to use it was for writing a discord bot [2025-06-07T20:15:11Z] WHY. is every alternative shell either in python or in rust [2025-06-07T20:15:26Z] lol. sorry. didn't mean to sound that frustrated [2025-06-07T20:18:22Z] I was gonna write a kiss impl in go until kiedtl spoke [2025-06-07T20:18:38Z] wow great job crushing sewn's dreams kiedtl [2025-06-07T20:18:40Z] >:C [2025-06-07T20:18:47Z] my opinions aren't worth that much. go ahead [2025-06-07T20:18:53Z] naa go is boring [2025-06-07T20:18:58Z] go actually makes me write things [2025-06-07T20:19:01Z] its a good language [2025-06-07T20:19:02Z] midfavila this is all your fault, just a few days in this channel is making me a rust hater [2025-06-07T20:19:10Z] good [2025-06-07T20:19:11Z] means I can't use go for kiss [2025-06-07T20:19:24Z] and also rust for kiss is just even worse [2025-06-07T20:19:37Z] like sure u need llvm which sure works if you already have a llvm based system [2025-06-07T20:19:39Z] but like [2025-06-07T20:19:45Z] rust is still really heavy [2025-06-07T20:19:48Z] eh, llvm you need for firefox anyway [2025-06-07T20:19:50Z] i am so eepy sleepy [2025-06-07T20:19:56Z] fuck firefox [2025-06-07T20:20:00Z] sewn yeah literally, go is incredibly easy to just pick up and >write what you wanna write [2025-06-07T20:20:02Z] all my homies hate firefox [2025-06-07T20:20:04Z] shits a frankenstein [2025-06-07T20:20:13Z] for rust I was thinking of something like https://koi-lang.dev/. which looks pretty neat [2025-06-07T20:20:27Z] this is like discussing music subgenres with riteo [2025-06-07T20:20:30Z] just use c [2025-06-07T20:20:34Z] it's fie [2025-06-07T20:20:35Z] fine [2025-06-07T20:20:36Z] kol is great [2025-06-07T20:20:42Z] but lua is better and more widespread [2025-06-07T20:20:43Z] I can't stand C anymore [2025-06-07T20:20:46Z] midfavila: I'm sorry I like my soul [2025-06-07T20:21:05Z] C for modern application development is AWFUL [2025-06-07T20:21:09Z] Another time I have to write hashmap abominations in macros, I will poke my eyes out with a pencil [2025-06-07T20:21:13Z] modern applications are awful [2025-06-07T20:21:18Z] don't develop them [2025-06-07T20:21:19Z] easy [2025-06-07T20:21:20Z] every FUCKING project HAS to reimplement EVERY modern language feature [2025-06-07T20:21:45Z] like what do you mean I can't just do basic string manipulation or web requests without writing 9000 lines of code [2025-06-07T20:21:48Z] C is frustrating [2025-06-07T20:21:51Z] i've got me arrays and i've got my pointers [2025-06-07T20:21:51Z] yo dawg, we heard you like void*. So we put a void* in your MAP_INIT(*void) [2025-06-07T20:21:56Z] sewn what do you mean lol [2025-06-07T20:21:59Z] Zig though... [2025-06-07T20:22:03Z] ^ [2025-06-07T20:22:16Z] at least zig is easy to bootstrap [2025-06-07T20:22:24Z] its so good bwo [2025-06-07T20:22:26Z] * kiedtl looks forward to zig not requiring llvm [2025-06-07T20:22:41Z] hare is better too but meh no other component is gonna need hare [2025-06-07T20:22:41Z] reminds me i need to set up a zig toolchain [2025-06-07T20:22:45Z] so I can't justify it [2025-06-07T20:22:50Z] i wonder how hare is coming along [2025-06-07T20:22:53Z] i'm hoping to get that suckless openstreetmap viewer running on my uconsole [2025-06-07T20:22:54Z] drew devault kinda vanished and iirc that's his project [2025-06-07T20:22:56Z] hare is really nice to write it [2025-06-07T20:22:56Z] and it's ritten in zig [2025-06-07T20:23:01Z] drew is still here [2025-06-07T20:23:01Z] ive never tried zig [2025-06-07T20:23:03Z] written even [2025-06-07T20:23:04Z] C irritates me though [2025-06-07T20:23:05Z] fucking hell [2025-06-07T20:23:10Z] I also tried zig and hare [2025-06-07T20:23:18Z] i'll give zig a shot for something at some point [2025-06-07T20:23:19Z] wrote projects but the zig one was rewritten in go [2025-06-07T20:23:33Z] midfavila, there's a zig bin or something if you don't want to compile it. iirc it works fine on musl [2025-06-07T20:23:33Z] C is just a whole lot of writing shit in the language but not actually writing your project [2025-06-07T20:23:37Z] ...if that makes any sense [2025-06-07T20:23:40Z] idk how else to describe it [2025-06-07T20:23:43Z] agreed. [2025-06-07T20:23:44Z] kris_: YES [2025-06-07T20:23:45Z] YES [2025-06-07T20:23:48Z] this is so true [2025-06-07T20:23:56Z] zig to me is a inbetween [2025-06-07T20:24:01Z] its sort of like an old car [2025-06-07T20:24:08Z] go feels a bit heavy handed to me [2025-06-07T20:24:10Z] but c is just you're given an engine and figure everything else ourself [2025-06-07T20:24:25Z] i mean sometimes that does make sense [2025-06-07T20:24:29Z] in the context of actual systems dev [2025-06-07T20:24:39Z] the problem is that writing desktop applications or server applications or w/e in C is illogical [2025-06-07T20:24:41Z] yeah well not for applications! [2025-06-07T20:24:42Z] it's dangerous [2025-06-07T20:24:44Z] yess [2025-06-07T20:24:48Z] and a big time sink anyway [2025-06-07T20:24:55Z] im so glad I found two people that can agree with me on this [2025-06-07T20:24:59Z] it'd be like if kiss made you write wpa_supplicant in shell scripting when you first download the chroot [2025-06-07T20:25:20Z] go is just kind of heavy as is rust [2025-06-07T20:25:26Z] i'm REALLY curious about zig but it seems slightly unstable [2025-06-07T20:25:38Z] it is unstable [2025-06-07T20:25:39Z] unstable in the context of update zig, break old project written in zig but you need to update zig to compile new thing [2025-06-07T20:25:44Z] just so new [2025-06-07T20:25:54Z] but its pretty easy to update [2025-06-07T20:26:04Z] hare iirc is gonna have breaking changes soon [2025-06-07T20:26:15Z] and yeah i havent seen anything from drew in a *long* time [2025-06-07T20:26:22Z] after the whole drama with the drew devault report or whatever [2025-06-07T20:26:30Z] because you don't look for such [2025-06-07T20:26:35Z] i follow him on mastodon [2025-06-07T20:26:36Z] that's about it [2025-06-07T20:26:38Z] oh [2025-06-07T20:26:39Z] bleh [2025-06-07T20:26:39Z] he used to post constantly [2025-06-07T20:27:01Z] and then he got outed as *probably* a pedophile and vanished [2025-06-07T20:27:23Z] i havent checked his blong in a long time in all fairness [2025-06-07T20:27:31Z] s/blong/blog [2025-06-07T20:28:57Z] sewn also have you noticed that golang projects always have a vibe to them that just makes it obvious they're written in go despite there being no real indication of that [2025-06-07T20:29:02Z] see: hugo, caddy, sbctl, etc [2025-06-07T20:29:17Z] I think that's called expectation [2025-06-07T20:29:25Z] wym [2025-06-07T20:29:25Z] to me that doesn't work for me [2025-06-07T20:29:39Z] kris_: you can look at a high-quality utility project [2025-06-07T20:29:42Z] and associate that with Go [2025-06-07T20:29:53Z] not that they have vibes its just sort of expected [2025-06-07T20:30:09Z] i have been considering moving most things back to nginx as of recent though [2025-06-07T20:30:16Z] caddys inability to proxy non http traffic is incredibly annoying [2025-06-07T20:30:45Z] fuck nginx [2025-06-07T20:30:59Z] if you don't use tlstunnel or kimchi I will decimate you [2025-06-07T20:31:00Z] nginx is really annoying to configure [2025-06-07T20:31:05Z] I figure that [2025-06-07T20:31:06Z] part of that is due to certbot [2025-06-07T20:31:43Z] i know a few people still use apache but ive never tried it honestly [2025-06-07T20:36:53Z] kris [2025-06-07T20:36:58Z] use tlstunnel nnoowww [2025-06-07T20:39:11Z] i don't have an immediate need for it rn i just have in the past [2025-06-07T20:39:28Z] but i remember reading that tlstunnel is moderately unstable [2025-06-07T20:51:21Z] sewn: is darkhttpd acceptable or only quark [2025-06-07T20:54:22Z] neither [2025-06-07T20:54:24Z] kimchi is bettee [2025-06-07T20:58:57Z] ive only really used caddy and nginx [2025-06-07T20:59:00Z] caddy is quite a lot better [2025-06-07T21:40:37Z] i sure love how the wireguard app on android will bitch about being "corrupt" if you download it from the aurora store [2025-06-07T23:13:48Z] wow I appreciate being still thought about even when I don't write here [2025-06-07T23:14:11Z] midfavila re "now we just need riteo to complete the set" above, what set? [2025-06-07T23:35:03Z] riteo set of people i would imagine