[2025-06-16T01:20:33Z] <midfavila> holy shit guys 
[2025-06-16T01:20:38Z] <midfavila> my desktop just managed to boot
[2025-06-16T01:20:43Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-06-16T01:20:52Z] * midfavila furiously backs up everything
[2025-06-16T01:38:01Z] <midfavila> we are so back 
[2025-06-16T01:50:26Z] <kris_> you have been given power
[2025-06-16T01:51:39Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-06-16T01:55:09Z] <kris_> fuck i am so tired
[2025-06-16T01:55:18Z] <midfavila> hoping to replace the disk drive, install this, and continue development work
[2025-06-16T01:55:21Z] <midfavila> go beb
[2025-06-16T01:55:25Z] * midfavila tucks kris_ in
[2025-06-16T01:55:26Z] <kris_> it's only 9pm
[2025-06-16T01:55:27Z] <midfavila> sleepytime
[2025-06-16T01:55:30Z] <midfavila> no excuses
[2025-06-16T01:55:32Z] <kris_> i won't be able to sleep as long as i need to
[2025-06-16T01:55:36Z] <kris_> Alice In Chains - No Excuses
[2025-06-16T01:55:41Z] <kris_> good song
[2025-06-16T01:55:57Z] <midfavila> going to revoke ur g-fuel privileges i swear
[2025-06-16T01:55:58Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-06-16T01:56:09Z] <kris_> ill have you know that i only had 160mg of caffeine today
[2025-06-16T01:56:16Z] <midfavila> oh that's not bad actually
[2025-06-16T01:56:29Z] <kris_> yeah thats like an actual just normal ass fine amount
[2025-06-16T01:56:34Z] <kris_> i think anyway
[2025-06-16T01:56:38Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-06-16T01:56:49Z] <kris_> i should measure my heart rate
[2025-06-16T01:56:50Z] <midfavila> i think the daily limit is around 450mg?
[2025-06-16T01:57:14Z] <kris_> once i hit around a gram my resting rate is usually around 90bpm
[2025-06-16T01:57:22Z] <kris_> like full complete resting rate
[2025-06-16T01:57:37Z] <kris_> oh huh right now i'm at 90 or my pinetime is wrong
[2025-06-16T01:57:49Z] <midfavila> i mean that's not like
[2025-06-16T01:57:52Z] <midfavila> literally the worst
[2025-06-16T01:57:53Z] <kris_> i wonder if being extremely sleepy raises heart rate or some shit because normally my resting rate with no caffeine is around 67
[2025-06-16T01:57:58Z] <kris_> high 60s low 70s
[2025-06-16T01:58:01Z] <midfavila> i think i'm usually the same
[2025-06-16T01:58:31Z] <kris_> but yeah i need to sleep the entire night because i have work tomorrow
[2025-06-16T01:58:34Z] <kris_> "work"
[2025-06-16T01:58:46Z] <kris_> an irl friend is paying me to watch his 3 kids mon-fri from 8:30am to ~4pm
[2025-06-16T01:58:50Z] <kris_> like every other week
[2025-06-16T02:01:00Z] <kris_> tbh given they're mostly self sustaining it's the perfect time for me to remote into my desktop and get some shit done
[2025-06-16T02:01:24Z] <kris_> it's so overpowered to have a t480 with the extended batt and fresh internal one and put like zero load on it and just do everything via my desktop remotely
[2025-06-16T02:01:33Z] <kris_> wild battery life
[2025-06-16T02:01:44Z] <midfavila> >zoomers rediscover networked terminals
[2025-06-16T02:01:51Z] <kris_> shut
[2025-06-16T02:01:59Z] <midfavila> lmfao
[2025-06-16T02:02:08Z] <kris_> i just recently gained the ability to port forward with no weird restrictions
[2025-06-16T02:02:13Z] <kris_> so i'm having a lot of fun with wireguard
[2025-06-16T02:02:15Z] <midfavila> >bro what if we just took the computer and pushed it over there!?
[2025-06-16T02:02:19Z] <midfavila> startup time
[2025-06-16T02:02:26Z] <midfavila> that's fair tho
[2025-06-16T02:02:28Z] <kris_> ive been thinking about starting a vps provider for a long time tbh
[2025-06-16T02:02:33Z] <kris_> just need to pay for hardware
[2025-06-16T02:02:40Z] <kris_> literally all of them are ASS
[2025-06-16T02:02:48Z] <midfavila> just get one of those altra machines or w/e
[2025-06-16T02:02:51Z] <kris_> it would be such an easy market to take over for just normal people who wanna host a website or w/e
[2025-06-16T02:02:59Z] <kris_> like just normal fucks like us hosting random stuff
[2025-06-16T02:03:09Z] <midfavila> the problem is that you don't exactly get a huge return off it
[2025-06-16T02:03:24Z] <kris_> as long as it pays for itself honestly idm 
[2025-06-16T02:03:37Z] <kris_> obviously it wont at first but like affordable arm machines are becoming a thing now with stupid core counts
[2025-06-16T02:10:49Z] <kris_> >open counterstrike
[2025-06-16T02:10:52Z] <kris_> >no longer sleepy
[2025-06-16T02:10:54Z] <kris_> it is a cheatcode
[2025-06-16T02:14:14Z] <midfavila> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/technology/chatgpt-ai-chatbots-conspiracies.html
[2025-06-16T02:14:19Z] <midfavila> today on normal news:
[2025-06-16T02:14:24Z] <midfavila> eliza tells people to kill themselves
[2025-06-16T02:14:36Z] <midfavila> i love living in 20xx :DDDDDDDDD
[2025-06-16T02:24:12Z] <kris_> truly is something
[2025-06-16T02:25:47Z] <midfavila> remember when everyone thought 2020 was the future
[2025-06-16T02:25:50Z] <midfavila> and we would like
[2025-06-16T02:25:55Z] <midfavila> solve world hunger and climate change and shit
[2025-06-16T02:25:58Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-06-16T02:26:10Z] <midfavila> can you believe we're more than halfway towards 2030???
[2025-06-16T02:26:13Z] <kris_> WILL NEVER HAPPEN
[2025-06-16T02:26:18Z] <kris_> will never happen*
[2025-06-16T02:26:20Z] <kris_> caps hours
[2025-06-16T02:26:25Z] <midfavila> nothing ever happens
[2025-06-16T02:26:28Z] <kris_> :p
[2025-06-16T02:26:47Z] <midfavila> seriously i swear to god nothing of consequence ever happens
[2025-06-16T02:26:55Z] <midfavila> nothing ever really changes
[2025-06-16T02:26:57Z] <midfavila> :\
[2025-06-16T02:30:53Z] <kris_> yeah
[2025-06-16T02:30:58Z] <kris_> i can't think of a single time something has changed
[2025-06-16T02:31:10Z] <kris_> maybe this is all just some weird form of entertainment
[2025-06-16T03:45:10Z] <sewn> kris_: kris no the other way around blep
[2025-06-16T10:32:19Z] <phoebos> kiedtl: re smu
[2025-06-16T10:32:49Z] <phoebos> there is a fork https://github.com/karlb/smu which claims to have table support
[2025-06-16T10:33:04Z] <phoebos> but it seems to have some problems
[2025-06-16T10:33:19Z] <phoebos> which I don't have time to fix properly
[2025-06-16T10:33:56Z] <phoebos> so the other option is to permit raw HTML in the markdown sources
[2025-06-16T10:34:33Z] <phoebos> but I like that the .md is basically readable
[2025-06-16T10:35:37Z] <phoebos> adding html tags would need the search indexing to change slightly
[2025-06-16T10:37:14Z] <phoebos> using code blocks is ok, but seems silly to be using HTML but not HTML tables
[2025-06-16T10:37:53Z] <phoebos> best to have table support in smu
[2025-06-16T13:13:27Z] <kris_> a
[2025-06-16T13:33:40Z] <kiedtl> phoebos, #20 on GH is the blocker? re smu fork
[2025-06-16T13:34:03Z] <kiedtl> I don't know if I'll end up looking into it but if I do I'll let you know
[2025-06-16T13:53:45Z] <phoebos> yes
[2025-06-16T15:05:59Z] <midfavila> good morning internet computer friends
[2025-06-16T15:21:34Z] <kris_> gm
[2025-06-16T15:25:40Z] <midfavila> :3333333
[2025-06-16T15:26:05Z] <midfavila> am typing this on the uconsole
[2025-06-16T15:26:11Z] <midfavila> still love this lil duder
[2025-06-16T15:26:17Z] <midfavila> what a cool machine
[2025-06-16T15:26:58Z] <midfavila> i should run byte's unix benchmark suite on the r01
[2025-06-16T15:27:47Z] <kiedtl> that's the risc-v one right? how hard is it to cross-compile stuff to it?
[2025-06-16T15:28:05Z] <midfavila> not hard at all
[2025-06-16T15:28:19Z] <midfavila> i have a kiss-ish rootfs on it rn
[2025-06-16T15:28:28Z] <midfavila> just basic stuff tho
[2025-06-16T15:28:32Z] <kiedtl> neat
[2025-06-16T15:28:37Z] <kiedtl> I want to get one
[2025-06-16T15:28:45Z] <midfavila> links, wpa_supplicant, inetutils
[2025-06-16T15:28:56Z] <kiedtl> Just so I can do some epic yak-shaving and make a suite of gui stuff for tiny screens
[2025-06-16T15:29:09Z] <kiedtl> but the shipping would prob take forever and in the mean-time I'd lose interest lol
[2025-06-16T15:29:15Z] <midfavila> do curses >:O
[2025-06-16T15:29:32Z] <kiedtl> I'm guessing wayland is out of the question right
[2025-06-16T15:29:41Z] <kiedtl> because no gpu?
[2025-06-16T15:29:44Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-06-16T15:30:02Z] <midfavila> xorg works tho
[2025-06-16T15:30:15Z] <midfavila> and there's a framebuffer
[2025-06-16T15:30:53Z] <midfavila> i need to harass clockworkpi into properly releasing their source code so i can backport some stuff
[2025-06-16T15:31:14Z] <midfavila> like valve's framebuffer rotation tweak they made for the steam deck
[2025-06-16T15:38:35Z] <riteo> morning mid
[2025-06-16T15:39:02Z] <riteo> wait why would wl be out of the question
[2025-06-16T15:39:08Z] <riteo> mesa has llvmpipe and stuff
[2025-06-16T15:39:24Z] <riteo> is there really no framebuffer-compatible compositor
[2025-06-16T15:39:36Z] <midfavila> idk haven't seen one
[2025-06-16T15:39:50Z] <midfavila> mostly bc i haven't bothered to look tbqh
[2025-06-16T15:39:52Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-06-16T15:40:21Z] <riteo> fair fair
[2025-06-16T16:03:38Z] <kris_> bored
[2025-06-16T16:03:51Z] <kris_> and incredibly tired
[2025-06-16T16:04:43Z] <midfavila> sleeeeeep
[2025-06-16T16:10:40Z] <kris_> can't
[2025-06-16T16:10:48Z] <kris_> babysitting
[2025-06-16T16:14:33Z] <midfavila> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2025-06-16T16:14:36Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-06-16T16:14:59Z] <sewn> hi mid
[2025-06-16T16:15:05Z] <sewn> I have fixed my computer
[2025-06-16T16:15:24Z] <midfavila> gj 
[2025-06-16T16:15:24Z] <sewn> after carefully removing hairs from my cpu pins
[2025-06-16T16:15:30Z] * midfavila headpats
[2025-06-16T16:15:40Z] <sewn> I hate gigabyte I hate gigabyte I hate gigabyte
[2025-06-16T16:15:42Z] <kris_> sewn lmfao
[2025-06-16T16:15:51Z] <kris_> your issues were due to hair in your cpu socket??
[2025-06-16T16:15:57Z] <sewn> I'm not exactly sure
[2025-06-16T16:16:05Z] <sewn> they're all so unrelated I can't connect them
[2025-06-16T16:16:11Z] <sewn> like my mobo wouldn't post
[2025-06-16T16:16:20Z] <sewn> fixed itself from reseating cpu and mem constantly
[2025-06-16T16:16:27Z] <sewn> ssd wouldn't appear
[2025-06-16T16:16:35Z] <sewn> reseated CPU + removed a hair
[2025-06-16T16:16:38Z] <sewn> ssd appeared
[2025-06-16T16:16:44Z] <sewn> and stopped appearing
[2025-06-16T16:16:47Z] <sewn> reseat
[2025-06-16T16:16:48Z] <sewn> appeared
[2025-06-16T16:17:07Z] <sewn> I hate this computer but I love it when it works
[2025-06-16T16:18:17Z] <kris_> bad socket design honestly
[2025-06-16T16:18:56Z] <sewn> or just bad computer
[2025-06-16T16:20:11Z] <kris_> sewn generally amd platforms are not very stable in general in my experience
[2025-06-16T16:20:31Z] <kris_> the solution is to ptm7950 on the CPU and then just never remove the cpu cooler or cpu again if it's varying by reseat
[2025-06-16T16:21:35Z] <sewn> I have an intel cpu meow
[2025-06-16T16:21:43Z] <kris_> you Lied
[2025-06-16T16:21:49Z] <sewn> when did I say I have amdcpu
[2025-06-16T16:21:55Z] <kris_> (you may not have, i might be thinking of someone else)
[2025-06-16T16:34:51Z] <thomas_adam> midfavila: With XWaykabd you don't have to port fvwm at all -- but you're still at the mercy of how much stuff in XWayland is added from Xorg -- which will likely hamper fvwm's capabilities somewhat as it won't be running against Xorg "proper".  As for porting fvwm to wayland, see:  https://gist.github.com/ThomasAdam/5377540b3025f7f04735d96ee64354fd
[2025-06-16T16:39:10Z] <sewn> kiedtl: congratulations on that zig-bin
[2025-06-16T16:39:21Z] <sewn> I've come across it a year ago and its still happening :D wonderful
[2025-06-16T16:39:56Z] <sewn> oh two years ago actually
[2025-06-16T16:39:58Z] <sewn> https://codeberg.org/river/river/issues/834
[2025-06-16T16:40:01Z] <kiedtl> lol
[2025-06-16T16:40:32Z] <sewn> https://github.com/ziglang/zig-bootstrap/issues/154#issuecomment-2557429057
[2025-06-16T16:40:35Z] <sewn> apparently this is the fix
[2025-06-16T16:40:47Z] <sewn> lol
[2025-06-16T16:42:17Z] <kiedtl> >I no longer care about solving this problem
[2025-06-16T16:42:27Z] <kiedtl> wtf kind of comment is this
[2025-06-16T16:42:32Z] <kiedtl> just...leave it open?
[2025-06-16T16:43:04Z] <kiedtl> and anyway rebuilding env thing is a retarded workaround imo, zig should not be doing stuff like that
[2025-06-16T16:45:51Z] <kiedtl> oh wait you made that comment
[2025-06-16T16:45:54Z] <kiedtl> lol
[2025-06-16T17:10:59Z] <sewn> pfft
[2025-06-16T17:11:55Z] <sewn> midfavila: TIL that using two seperate pcie power cables over one+daisychain doubles my gpu performance
[2025-06-16T17:12:03Z] <sewn> pain in the ass to cable manage but fuck its worth it
[2025-06-16T17:12:07Z] <kris_> sounds like a less than ideal power supply
[2025-06-16T17:12:11Z] <sewn> 90fps -> 180fps
[2025-06-16T17:12:12Z] <sewn> well
[2025-06-16T17:12:12Z] <kris_> but that also often reduces coil whine
[2025-06-16T17:12:21Z] <kris_> i do that with mine for that reason
[2025-06-16T17:12:28Z] <sewn> the PSU is really nice
[2025-06-16T17:12:32Z] <sewn> I'd rather live with that lol
[2025-06-16T17:13:28Z] <sewn> it is crazy how big of a difference this makes
[2025-06-16T17:17:46Z] <sewn> also kiedtl
[2025-06-16T17:18:40Z] <sewn> git-bruh personally told me that he fixed it a long time ago
[2025-06-16T17:18:41Z] <sewn> so meow
[2025-06-16T17:23:38Z] <sewn> kiedtl: you just opened a duplicate
[2025-06-16T17:23:59Z] <sewn> #1813 -> #1724 (6 months ago)
[2025-06-16T17:39:47Z] <midfavila> sewn: >powering your stuff makes it work
[2025-06-16T17:39:58Z] <midfavila> first zoomers discover terminals, now they discover electricity
[2025-06-16T17:40:00Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-06-16T17:40:09Z] <sewn> midfavila I used a pigtail connector 
[2025-06-16T17:40:19Z] <sewn> how was I supposed to know
[2025-06-16T17:40:29Z] * midfavila pats
[2025-06-16T17:40:36Z] <midfavila> i'm glad it works now tho
[2025-06-16T17:40:41Z] <midfavila> i only use single slot cards so = w=
[2025-06-16T18:01:25Z] <midfavila> i have to wonder how tinycore is going to deal with wayland
[2025-06-16T18:01:31Z] <midfavila> they still use tinyx
[2025-06-16T18:13:05Z] <midfavila> actually, you know what, same with hyperbola
[2025-06-16T18:13:11Z] <midfavila> i doubt they'll dump their xenocara port
[2025-06-16T18:14:25Z] <midfavila> also thanks for the writeup thomas_adam. it's really unfortunate that we might be looking at the end of desktop UX on unix as we know it. X has its problems but the diversity and flexibility of X is one of the reasons i've yet to switch to wayland
[2025-06-16T18:16:09Z] <thomas_adam> midfavila: Indeed.  We'll see, but from what I've seen from all these "portals" (which are just EWMH reimaginings), it's all going to shit...
[2025-06-16T18:17:51Z] <midfavila> the thing that gets me about wayland is that even from an enduser perspective it's not really that much of an improvement. i won't argue that x.org specifically is utterly enormous, but to throw out all of X11... eh.
[2025-06-16T18:18:52Z] <midfavila> plus, dragging in GTK5 or similar mandates a whole pile of dependencies. might not matter for most, but being able to still build X without truetype is legitimately something that benefits me
[2025-06-16T18:19:11Z] <midfavila> ...not to mention i just don't need it and enjoy being a contrarian. but, meh.
[2025-06-16T18:22:22Z] <nath> all the big dependencies on most of important wayland stuf kinda irks me as well even if i do use it
[2025-06-16T18:22:26Z] <nath> like why does wlroots need llvm
[2025-06-16T18:26:36Z] <midfavila> just gonna switch to mezzano in the future smdh
[2025-06-16T18:26:45Z] <nath> is mezzano like another display server
[2025-06-16T18:27:04Z] <midfavila> it's an OS written entirely in common lisp
[2025-06-16T18:27:09Z] <nath> oh shit that sounds cool
[2025-06-16T18:27:18Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
[2025-06-16T18:27:25Z] <midfavila> you can boot it in qemu or vbox
[2025-06-16T18:27:35Z] <nath> ive seen a lot of really cool osdev projects so ill be sure to check it out at some point
[2025-06-16T18:27:52Z] <thomas_adam> Well, go back and re-read my gist -- it's the death of the small window-manager.  There wil be no variety any more.
[2025-06-16T18:29:12Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-06-16T18:29:27Z] * midfavila sighs
[2025-06-16T18:31:31Z] <thomas_adam> I personally could do what that bell-end metex has done with XLibre, but I'm not that stupid.
[2025-06-16T18:32:59Z] <midfavila> what's up there again? i saw some chat about it the other day in here but tbqh i haven't bothered looking into it
[2025-06-16T18:35:10Z] <midfavila> >make X great again
[2025-06-16T18:35:18Z] <midfavila> where have i heard that phrasing before...
[2025-06-16T18:36:50Z] <midfavila> https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/10/xlibre_new_xorg_fork/
[2025-06-16T18:40:06Z] <midfavila> https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/linus_torvalds_vaccine_smackdown/
[2025-06-16T18:40:08Z] <midfavila> bruv...
[2025-06-16T18:40:18Z] <nath> wtf
[2025-06-16T18:41:17Z] <midfavila> this is the xlibre guy apparently lmao
[2025-06-16T18:41:25Z] <nath> enrico weigelt
[2025-06-16T18:41:29Z] <nath> or metux
[2025-06-16T18:41:41Z] <nath> im sure he makes good software but he sounds insufferable
[2025-06-16T18:42:01Z] <midfavila> idk man if he can't be bothered to do basic research or run a spellcheck...
[2025-06-16T18:48:17Z] <midfavila> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/1797
[2025-06-16T18:49:38Z] <midfavila> i'm sure they're all part of the redhat controlled new humanoid gestalt hivemind though lol
[2025-06-16T18:49:57Z] <nath> freedesktop is pretty much just said reedhat hivemind lol
[2025-06-16T18:52:42Z] <midfavila> i mean okay fair enough to some degree i guess
[2025-06-16T18:53:52Z] <fultilt> I just checked -- wlroots _doesn't_ depend on llvm.  At least not directly, and I'm not immediately seeing any of its deps that seem likely to.
[2025-06-16T18:54:21Z] <nath> i had to compile it when building wlroots, maybe its just for compile time?
[2025-06-16T19:04:30Z] <fultilt> I'm trying it on a fresh(-ish) install of KX, we'll find out in a few minutes (it'll take a while for Mesa to compile).  Of course, if you configured your Mesa to use llvmpipe, that'd do it...
[2025-06-16T19:05:05Z] <nath> that probably explains it then
[2025-06-16T19:05:15Z] <sewn> what idiot said wlroots needs llvm
[2025-06-16T19:05:22Z] <nath> me
[2025-06-16T19:05:33Z] <sewn> what made you think that
[2025-06-16T19:05:47Z] <nath> had it pulled in as a dependency when building it thru kiss
[2025-06-16T19:06:06Z] <nath> probably not a hard requirement though i coulda probably done some black magic to exclude it
[2025-06-16T19:06:11Z] <sewn> probably recursed from mesa
[2025-06-16T19:06:16Z] <nath> ye maybe
[2025-06-16T19:06:21Z] <sewn> and linking to mesa etc
[2025-06-16T19:24:25Z] <fultilt> All done, wlroots built and there's no llvm in /kx/store/.
[2025-06-16T19:24:34Z] <nath> welp gjuess im a dumbass then
[2025-06-16T19:26:39Z] <fultilt> I agree that Wayland is really not better than X11, just different.  Although I've recently become a fan of scrolling-tiling window managers (like Niri), and Wayland's model of the screen fits those a lot better.  Yesterday I got Scroll (scrolling-tiling fork of Sway) running on my OrangePi RV2, very happy about that!
[2025-06-16T19:28:05Z] <nath> the idea of scrolling wms sounds kinda sick
[2025-06-16T19:44:48Z] <midfavila> zoomers discover the cube extension
[2025-06-16T19:45:58Z] <nath> isnt that a compiz thing
[2025-06-16T19:48:11Z] <fultilt> This thing?: <https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/4648/desktop-cube/>.  Seems quite different than a scrolling WM.  (Also, I'm Gen X.)
[2025-06-16T19:55:10Z] <kiedtl> >Also man is needed to view the man-pages (although other implementations should be permitted)
[2025-06-16T19:55:21Z] <kiedtl> What other implementations of mandoc exist?
[2025-06-16T19:56:13Z] <kiedtl> I'm seeing heirloom mandoc but that's unmaintained afaik
[2025-06-16T19:57:02Z] <kiedtl> sewn, sorry about the dup, I should've read through the open issues
[2025-06-16T19:57:34Z] <kiedtl> I had a little list of broken packages and was just streaming through them all
[2025-06-16T20:06:51Z] <phoebos> gnu man
[2025-06-16T20:08:02Z] <phoebos> and I suppose neatroff
[2025-06-16T20:08:38Z] <phoebos> that was just a comment that hardcoding mandoc isn't perfect
[2025-06-16T20:08:43Z] <phoebos> one day we might have a provides system...
[2025-06-16T21:02:45Z] <riteo> I think that the provides should just be file based or smth
[2025-06-16T21:02:53Z] <midfavila> ^
[2025-06-16T21:03:13Z] <riteo> like, I've been envisioning for a long time an additional "file" type of dependency which simply checks for said file
[2025-06-16T21:03:30Z] <riteo> instead of "make" in the second field, although IIRC all it takes is anything to mark it as make
[2025-06-16T21:10:30Z] <sewn> why even track dependencies
[2025-06-16T21:10:32Z] <sewn> just check for files
[2025-06-16T21:10:35Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-06-16T21:10:38Z] <midfavila> why even check
[2025-06-16T21:10:40Z] <midfavila> just install
[2025-06-16T21:10:46Z] <midfavila> become an instooller