[2025-06-19T13:16:19Z] Hi everyone, do you know if this is normal or not, in mdev.conf, I can't match against PRODUCT, I checked the uevent of the device I want to match and the PRODUCT appears in it, so I put a catch all rule inside mdev to execute "env > /tmp/$$" (inside a shell script) to see what env were passed, and there's no PRODUCT env, only a SUBSYTEM, MDEV and ACTION env [2025-06-19T13:19:33Z] mdevd works tho [2025-06-19T14:54:43Z] i tried to make waffles today and discovered that waffles and pancakes require different recipes [2025-06-19T14:54:50Z] (i failed horribly) [2025-06-19T16:15:35Z] busybox or sbase+ubase or toybox ? [2025-06-19T16:23:16Z] ubase+sbase :3 [2025-06-19T16:23:24Z] kris_: yeah [2025-06-19T16:23:35Z] i hope they were still tasty tho [2025-06-19T16:29:29Z] toybox is missing a lot iirc [2025-06-19T17:15:38Z] Yes, toybox is still unfinished, and isn't that comparable to busybox. [2025-06-19T17:15:49Z] Even Alpine hasn't switched to it. [2025-06-19T18:04:04Z] kisslinux fries my laptop, help pls [2025-06-19T18:10:21Z] under clock the cpu [2025-06-19T18:13:33Z] I did the cpu scaling thing and installed and configured TLP too, But it is still too hot and I can't handle it. [2025-06-19T18:16:33Z] I'm logging out, must put my laptop to sleep, open the lid and keep blowing until it cools down again, pls help me. [2025-06-19T19:02:53Z] Vova: TIWAGOS but I think that PRODUCT might be like nonstadard or something [2025-06-19T19:03:08Z] I needed to make a script for that, with a bunch of subsystem-specific subscripts or something [2025-06-19T19:08:22Z] https://codeberg.org/Riteo/kiss-scripts/src/branch/main/doc/managing-devices.md [2025-06-19T19:21:48Z] riteo thanks for your link, it contains some very useful stuff ! [2025-06-19T19:23:56Z] BTW if you want a "lighter" and cleaner dbus you can use dbus-broker [2025-06-19T19:24:05Z] it should be compatible with dbus ootb [2025-06-19T19:24:20Z] https://github.com/bus1/dbus-broker [2025-06-19T19:40:50Z] Vova: requires systemd to be useful [2025-06-19T19:40:55Z] libdbus is fine [2025-06-19T19:41:00Z] no reason to swirch [2025-06-19T19:45:40Z] what ? [2025-06-19T19:45:58Z] I thought you could use dbus-broker with systend [2025-06-19T19:46:01Z] systemd* [2025-06-19T19:48:16Z] arch does [2025-06-19T19:48:24Z] kiss can't because it needs libsystemd [2025-06-19T19:49:02Z] ah fuck [2025-06-19T19:51:37Z] sewm are you sure it depends on libsystemd ? [2025-06-19T19:51:40Z] https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/aports/-/blob/master/testing/dbus-broker/APKBUILD [2025-06-19T19:51:55Z] sewm [2025-06-19T19:51:56Z] yeah [2025-06-19T19:51:59Z] the launcher [2025-06-19T19:52:04Z] and on their readme it's stated that libsystemd is only required for the launcher [2025-06-19T19:52:06Z] and to run your Wayland session in dbus [2025-06-19T19:52:08Z] you use launcher [2025-06-19T19:52:10Z] lmao [2025-06-19T19:52:14Z] dbus-launch sway [2025-06-19T19:52:25Z] I won't lie I know jack shit about dbus [2025-06-19T19:52:35Z] I just know it's required for notifications [2025-06-19T19:54:44Z] lmao [2025-06-19T19:54:50Z] vova its just easy ipc [2025-06-19T19:55:00Z] to share info and call things to do things [2025-06-19T19:57:52Z] yeah I know but why is it needed [2025-06-19T19:57:58Z] why peoples decided to use it [2025-06-19T20:00:09Z] the peoples use systemd vova [2025-06-19T20:00:32Z] true [2025-06-19T20:00:56Z] also, anyone here uses sndio ? [2025-06-19T20:02:30Z] I'll eat them [2025-06-19T20:04:55Z] sewn do you use fnott or any notifications displayer ? [2025-06-19T20:05:03Z] I use mako [2025-06-19T20:05:16Z] fnott doesn't work with chromium so [2025-06-19T20:05:30Z] mako requires dbus ? [2025-06-19T20:05:57Z] so you use the dbus or libdbus with it ? [2025-06-19T20:07:25Z] and speaking of, it seems that chromium finally fixed their thing for fnott sewn, https://codeberg.org/dnkl/fnott/issues/85 [2025-06-19T20:08:03Z] oh right [2025-06-19T20:08:08Z] well fnott still sucks either way lol [2025-06-19T20:08:17Z] Vova: mako uses basu [2025-06-19T20:08:26Z] which is a libdbus but not suck [2025-06-19T20:08:47Z] you need to know dbus-broker is not a dbus implementation [2025-06-19T20:08:49Z] it is a dbus server [2025-06-19T20:09:20Z] so many projects can still depend on libdbus [2025-06-19T20:10:57Z] I don't understand anything :sob:, so a "dbus" implementation needs a "manager" (or a "server", idk how it's called), and the app using it will send their messages to the "manager", and manager will route the messages to the corresponding destinations right ? [2025-06-19T20:11:28Z] libdbus is a low level dbus implementation, which is just a lib right ? [2025-06-19T20:12:13Z] so even if I install libdbus for something that needs libdbus I'd still need to have a manager ? and to start the manager (either system wise, or user wise with dbus-run-session for example) [2025-06-19T20:16:37Z] suuure [2025-06-19T20:16:56Z] its a client-server model [2025-06-19T20:17:06Z] its like wayland [2025-06-19T20:17:11Z] yeah I see [2025-06-19T20:17:15Z] there is libwayland and then waylanndd ccomposiitors [2025-06-19T20:17:21Z] thheye implemennr rserverr sides of wayland [2025-06-19T20:17:25Z] and ccliennrs ccan use libbwayland [2025-06-19T20:17:35Z] or usee sommething else [2025-06-19T20:18:02Z] so what do you use for the "dbus server" ? [2025-06-19T20:18:27Z] oh wait I just saw, basu is a dbus "server" right ? [2025-06-19T20:27:20Z] Vova: the one from libdbus, dbus-daemon [2025-06-19T20:27:28Z] much like a Wayland's Weston [2025-06-19T20:27:35Z] Vova: no, basu is a libdbus [2025-06-19T20:27:40Z] not a dbus server [2025-06-19T20:27:45Z] alright [2025-06-19T20:27:55Z] I don't choose lol [2025-06-19T20:27:59Z] it just is de facto [2025-06-19T20:28:03Z] kiss-dbus as well [2025-06-19T20:28:09Z] I thought libdbus was just providing a lib for communicating with a dbus server [2025-06-19T20:29:11Z] correct [2025-06-19T20:29:17Z] its precisely that [2025-06-19T22:21:10Z] oh my gooooooooooooooooooooood i hate summer [2025-06-19T22:21:14Z] it's way too hot