[2025-06-21T02:59:10Z] I henceforth invoke the power of timezones to say "happy birthday" to kris_ despite it being 5 AM here [2025-06-21T02:59:34Z] happy bday kris_!!!! x333 [2025-06-21T03:16:46Z] latest firefox build is up [2025-06-21T03:17:39Z] actually, what browsers do folks use in here? I know midfav uses palemoon, does anyone at all use a qt5-webengine browser? the package was seemingly broken for a while [2025-06-21T05:09:15Z] kiedtl: i don't use pale moon [2025-06-21T05:09:17Z] i use links2 [2025-06-21T05:09:27Z] i haven't used a graphical browser in years [2025-06-21T05:09:36Z] outside of firefox in a vm or container [2025-06-21T05:09:41Z] for like, government shit [2025-06-21T05:10:00Z] although come to think of it i could probably use surf for that [2025-06-21T05:12:23Z] also aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa holy shit everything is so fucking expensive [2025-06-21T05:12:36Z] a single pair of halfway decent work slacks is a hundred dollars [2025-06-21T05:12:39Z] * midfavila dies [2025-06-21T05:13:05Z] entire day's wages [2025-06-21T10:43:56Z] hi everyone, what's your tactic to manage the kernel, do you create a package an put your .config in, or do you manage it externally like get the sources in /usr/src/Linux or something and just make && make install [2025-06-21T10:57:29Z] vova [2025-06-21T10:57:32Z] you're using kiss [2025-06-21T10:57:41Z] why would you still use /usr/src [2025-06-21T10:58:06Z] make a linux package blehhh [2025-06-21T13:58:06Z] because let's say you're on 6.15.2 and you don't update for a while, now you decide to upgrade to 6.??, what do you do, you just change the source and the version and you shove your .config and just make && make install ? because maybe there's new kernel options and so on, so you need to make a make oldconfig to see what's new [2025-06-21T14:26:04Z] uhuh [2025-06-21T14:26:07Z] the package can do that for u [2025-06-21T14:56:27Z] genuine question, what would make you update the kernel? [2025-06-21T14:56:58Z] for me it'd just lie there for 2 years until I realize it's super out of date, and then lie there for another 2 years before I finally convince myself to update it [2025-06-21T14:57:02Z] CVEs, version bumps, GKH told me to... [2025-06-21T14:57:10Z] thing is [2025-06-21T14:57:16Z] I don't really care that much about CVEs [2025-06-21T14:57:22Z] unless it's open to the internet [2025-06-21T14:57:45Z] like, unless it's a bugfix that's actually affecting me, or some cool new perf improvements...? [2025-06-21T14:57:55Z] That's OK -- you've chosen to decide for yourself -- but I would say: s/kernel/$ANOTHER_PROGRAM/, and it's the same question. [2025-06-21T14:58:06Z] fair. I still have ptsd from windows. [2025-06-21T14:58:11Z] tbf, I don't have a strong reason to update the kernel, I guess once every 6 months is good enough [2025-06-21T14:58:24Z] * kiedtl only updates void/arch installs once the package manager starts complaining about conflicts [2025-06-21T14:58:34Z] * kiedtl hasn't updated their windows laptop since 2022 [2025-06-21T14:59:04Z] You also likely won't have the requisite knowledge to decide; besides, updating the kernel is one thing, but do you reboot? I don't, and hence, I've taken the update, but it's not applied. So it's all moot. [2025-06-21T14:59:12Z] lol [2025-06-21T14:59:20Z] true about the prereq knowledge [2025-06-21T14:59:40Z] I guess for other stuff, like firefox or aseprite, I'm more likely to hear about some feature I want and decide to upgrade [2025-06-21T15:01:16Z] So don't treat it any different; an update is just an excuse for a distro to bundle changes together, is one reboot really going to harm things? I doubt it, and you'll be reaping the benefits without really worrying about it. [2025-06-21T15:02:12Z] There's been a research project going on for years about noexex (ISTR) where kernel updates happen in-situ so you don't need to reboot. So if/when that happens, you'll have no excuse. :) [2025-06-21T15:02:38Z] true :) [2025-06-21T15:02:51Z] though for kiss there's a little extra friction (i.e. building) [2025-06-21T15:03:04Z] Oh indeed. [2025-06-21T15:03:25Z] But that comes with the decison to use Kiss, and doesn't affect the points above. [2025-06-21T15:04:20Z] fair enough [2025-06-21T15:06:30Z] kiedtl: I could tell you that $PROGRAMX segfaults if you used it on a Wednesday. I could fix that, put an update out, and let distros package it. If you used $PROGRAMX, would you accet the fix or not? It might not be that clear in the release notes. Same for the kernel, I couldn't tell you what's worthy of a rebuild or not, but it's the acceptance of using a compiled distro which means you [2025-06-21T15:06:32Z] likely can't decide. [2025-06-21T15:06:35Z] Anyway, I know you get the point. :) [2025-06-21T15:58:24Z] that's true [2025-06-21T15:58:44Z] for me if I encounter a bug I'll usually keep tabs on the changelogs for that package [2025-06-21T15:58:48Z] or use something different [2025-06-21T15:59:18Z] but yeah for a compiled distro it's just whatever the maintainers decide for sure :) [2025-06-21T16:18:03Z] :) [2025-06-21T21:42:38Z] riteo thanks [2025-06-21T21:44:14Z] Vova generally that's more or less what i do, i just use some other distros config typically though [2025-06-21T21:44:17Z] either void or alpines [2025-06-21T21:44:54Z] https://github.com/kkrruumm/basix/tree/main/core/linux