[2025-06-23T00:15:20Z] <midfavila> make cookies
[2025-06-23T00:15:21Z] <midfavila> do it
[2025-06-23T00:16:36Z] <midfavila> one part fine sugar to two parts butter to three parts white flour, cream the first two, sift the last into it mix while stirring, roll out the dough, chill for ten minutes, then bake at 190C until golden brown
[2025-06-23T00:16:42Z] <midfavila> takes like 30min total
[2025-06-23T00:16:46Z] <midfavila> do it rn
[2025-06-23T00:19:27Z] <midfavila> i meant to go to the shops today but i only got out of bed at like
[2025-06-23T00:19:28Z] <midfavila> four
[2025-06-23T00:19:33Z] <midfavila> so that's off the table lol
[2025-06-23T00:32:04Z] <kris_> midfavila i'm not making cookies
[2025-06-23T00:36:52Z] <midfavila> aw
[2025-06-23T00:36:52Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-06-23T00:37:21Z] <midfavila> fair though
[2025-06-23T00:38:23Z] <kris_> ive been basically living off of protein bars and trail mix for the past week so i'pm in the mood for something real
[2025-06-23T00:38:35Z] <kris_> i'm*
[2025-06-23T00:53:11Z] <midfavila> very fair
[2025-06-23T07:17:11Z] <sewn> midfavila: I want I want I wantt
[2025-06-23T08:49:56Z] <kris_> a
[2025-06-23T09:28:21Z] <sewn> b
[2025-06-23T09:29:33Z] <kris_> c
[2025-06-23T09:29:38Z] <sewn> d
[2025-06-23T09:29:44Z] <kris_> Incorrect Buzzer
[2025-06-23T09:29:55Z] <sewn> :c
[2025-06-23T09:30:01Z] <sewn> kms
[2025-06-23T09:31:29Z] * kris_ is looking into gnu guix
[2025-06-23T09:31:45Z] <kris_> i check back every few years to see if i can boot it the way i want to yet
[2025-06-23T09:31:46Z] <kris_> seems like no
[2025-06-23T09:37:43Z] <sewn> kris!
[2025-06-23T09:37:45Z] <sewn> you should look into sixos
[2025-06-23T09:38:42Z] <kris_> since when is this a thing
[2025-06-23T09:38:50Z] <kris_> havent heard of this until just now
[2025-06-23T09:41:40Z] <Vova> Hi, do you know why firefox refuses to use mako/fnott for notifications ?
[2025-06-23T09:41:45Z] <Vova> dbus related issue ?
[2025-06-23T09:43:19Z] <sewn> is firefox built with dbus support
[2025-06-23T09:46:59Z] <Vova> Good question
[2025-06-23T09:47:01Z] <Vova> Let me check
[2025-06-23T09:47:03Z] <kris_> sewn have you actually used this
[2025-06-23T09:47:06Z] <sewn> no
[2025-06-23T09:47:09Z] <sewn> sixos? no
[2025-06-23T09:47:34Z] <Vova> You nailed it, it's build without dbus
[2025-06-23T09:47:39Z] <sewn> awesome
[2025-06-23T09:47:43Z] <sewn> enjoy rebuilding ^^
[2025-06-23T09:47:47Z] <Vova> :(
[2025-06-23T09:47:54Z] * kris_ whispers flatpak
[2025-06-23T09:53:02Z] <Vova> I hate flatpak
[2025-06-23T09:53:35Z] <sewn> why?
[2025-06-23T09:53:51Z] <Vova> I don't like it, it feel shitty
[2025-06-23T09:53:57Z] <Vova> No strong reason, just a vibe
[2025-06-23T09:53:57Z] <sewn> why?
[2025-06-23T09:54:05Z] <sewn> no objectivity on design, just "feel shitty"?
[2025-06-23T09:54:06Z] <sewn> really?
[2025-06-23T09:54:09Z] <kris_> i think flatpak is pretty good
[2025-06-23T09:54:23Z] <kris_> like yeah you're not really using your distro to run those apps but that's kind of the entire point, it's the only truly distro agnostic thing we have
[2025-06-23T09:54:27Z] <Vova> And I have a lot of firefox profiles, and when I tried to make firefox flatpak uses them it did not worked well 
[2025-06-23T09:54:29Z] <kris_> and the sandboxing is top notch
[2025-06-23T09:54:37Z] <kris_> sandboxing as much as you can is a *good* thing
[2025-06-23T09:54:43Z] <kris_> least privilege
[2025-06-23T09:55:08Z] <Vova> sewn, yeah just "feel shitty"
[2025-06-23T09:55:08Z] <kris_> (yes there are a few ways to breach the sandbox but not much that can be done about that)
[2025-06-23T09:55:12Z] <sewn> okay vova
[2025-06-23T09:55:54Z] <kris_> sewn so to sum up what's going on right now, void has been increasingly unstable for me for months now and i'm starting to get tired of constantly fixing things that are only broken because they weren't super well tested
[2025-06-23T09:55:54Z] <Vova> But yeah tbf I should just use flatpak
[2025-06-23T09:55:58Z] <kris_> or potentially tested at all, honestly
[2025-06-23T09:56:09Z] <kris_> so i'm just looking at other options *for my servers* at the moment
[2025-06-23T09:56:30Z] <Vova> One thing I hate about flatpak tho, I can't just "firefox -P" in the terminal, I have to "flatpak run ..."
[2025-06-23T09:56:54Z] <kris_> i can guarantee you'll get used to it
[2025-06-23T09:57:00Z] <kris_> i use only flatpak for GUI apps 99% of the time
[2025-06-23T10:02:57Z] <Vova> Yeah ok, firefox in flatpak is working nicely
[2025-06-23T10:03:00Z] <sewn> hahaha
[2025-06-23T10:03:02Z] <sewn> nice
[2025-06-23T10:03:33Z] <Vova> I just add to add the socket=session-bus and filesystem=home, and it grabs my profiles correctly, and the notifications work
[2025-06-23T10:03:43Z] <sewn> you...
[2025-06-23T10:03:43Z] <sewn> what
[2025-06-23T10:03:48Z] <Vova> What what
[2025-06-23T10:03:50Z] <sewn> you seriously used filesystem=home
[2025-06-23T10:03:51Z] <kris_> ....what?
[2025-06-23T10:03:53Z] <Vova> Yeah
[2025-06-23T10:03:58Z] <sewn> .....,,,,,,,,,
[2025-06-23T10:04:04Z] <sewn> okay well enjoy it i guess..??
[2025-06-23T10:04:14Z] <Vova> Bro, I have a .mozilla directory with 10+ profiles for work and random shit
[2025-06-23T10:04:19Z] <sewn> right okay
[2025-06-23T10:04:21Z] <sewn> mr busy man
[2025-06-23T10:04:25Z] <kris_> give it access to explicitly what it needs Vova
[2025-06-23T10:04:29Z] <Vova> No, mr not organized 
[2025-06-23T10:04:42Z] <kris_> you shouldn't be giving anything unrestricted access to home unless it actually needs it
[2025-06-23T10:05:31Z] <Vova> Fuck
[2025-06-23T10:05:49Z] <kris_> sewn: https://issues.guix.gnu.org/68524#31
[2025-06-23T10:05:50Z] <Vova> Why it works great, I removed filesystem=home, and added ~/.mozilla and it works
[2025-06-23T10:05:53Z] <kris_> this is more or less what i'm waiting on
[2025-06-23T10:06:01Z] <sewn> kris you still didnt tell me about sixos
[2025-06-23T10:06:02Z] <sewn> how is it ornot
[2025-06-23T10:06:03Z] <Vova> My experience of flatpak on alpine was shit, maybe alpine was the issue lmao
[2025-06-23T10:06:06Z] <sewn> also ew gruv
[2025-06-23T10:06:07Z] <sewn> grub
[2025-06-23T10:06:15Z] <sewn> Vova: maybe you were the issue
[2025-06-23T10:06:15Z] <Vova> But one small issue !
[2025-06-23T10:06:16Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-06-23T10:06:19Z] <kris_> i'm watching an hour long talk on sixos
[2025-06-23T10:06:40Z] <Vova> flatpak uses xdg-download for the ~/Downloads directory, and it doesn't work, I guess I miss an xdg-??? package ? 
[2025-06-23T10:06:49Z] <Vova> I can just put ~/Downloads instead
[2025-06-23T10:07:11Z] <Vova> But it'd be cool to have xdg-downloads working
[2025-06-23T10:07:23Z] <kris_> really i'm just tempted to use devuan for servers
[2025-06-23T10:07:37Z] <kris_> i just don't have positive memories of my time with debian nor devuan
[2025-06-23T10:07:41Z] <kris_> but devuan does have runit as an option, so
[2025-06-23T10:09:31Z] <kris_> sewn also no, these are the patches needed to just directly boot a UKI 
[2025-06-23T10:09:45Z] <kris_> which i probably could just selfhost but it annoys me that these still havent been merged
[2025-06-23T10:12:02Z] <sewn> meow
[2025-06-23T10:12:20Z] <kris_> yeah i bet
[2025-06-23T10:38:24Z] <Vova> kris_: alpine is very good for server
[2025-06-23T11:28:52Z] <kris_> Vova meh
[2025-06-23T12:12:19Z] <Vova> Man, flatpak is cool
[2025-06-23T12:12:28Z] <Vova> It works really well, I'm impressed
[2025-06-23T12:48:26Z] <sewn> what'd I tell you vova
[2025-06-23T13:19:01Z] <Vova> Alright another issue, when I right click to save an image on firefox, the flatpak version doesn't open the file manager to let me choose where to save the file
[2025-06-23T13:19:18Z] <kris_> you need xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[2025-06-23T13:19:23Z] <Vova> Oh ?
[2025-06-23T13:19:27Z] <Vova> I thought the -wlr was enough
[2025-06-23T13:19:29Z] <Vova> Alright
[2025-06-23T13:23:28Z] <sewn> hmm
[2025-06-23T13:23:41Z] <sewn> a wlroots - compositor library - having a portal to pick a file
[2025-06-23T13:23:44Z] <sewn> makes sense :3
[2025-06-23T13:24:04Z] <kris_> Vova: i have it packaged if you need a reference but i've not actually verified that it works 
[2025-06-23T13:24:09Z] <kris_> just that it compiles
[2025-06-23T13:24:17Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/basix/tree/main/extra
[2025-06-23T13:24:20Z] <kris_> stuff for that is in here
[2025-06-23T13:24:42Z] * kris_ realizing that i had an env set for MESON_OPTIONS
[2025-06-23T13:24:51Z] <kris_> dunno how i let that get into my template, ffs
[2025-06-23T13:28:43Z] <Vova> I packaged it on my side as well don't worry
[2025-06-23T13:28:53Z] <kris_> got a link?
[2025-06-23T13:28:59Z] <kris_> just out of curiosity
[2025-06-23T13:30:15Z] <Vova> 10min, I'm finishing my cigarette and I'll create a repo
[2025-06-23T13:30:34Z] <kris_> no need to rush 
[2025-06-23T14:03:13Z] <Vova> kris_: https://codeberg.org/Ogromny/kiss_repo
[2025-06-23T14:03:51Z] <sewn> WHY AN UNDERSCORE
[2025-06-23T14:04:35Z] <sewn> https://codeberg.org/sewn/kiss-repo/src/branch/master/repo/urcu/build
[2025-06-23T14:04:41Z] <kris_> i like that specifically because it irritates sewn
[2025-06-23T14:04:45Z] <sewn> https://codeberg.org/Ogromny/kiss_repo/src/branch/master/userspace-rcu/build
[2025-06-23T14:04:59Z] <sewn> I think its obvious which one was just blatantly copied from chimera
[2025-06-23T14:05:02Z] <sewn> fuck you kris_
[2025-06-23T14:05:07Z] <kris_> c:
[2025-06-23T14:05:31Z] <sewn> most of these are packaged elsewhere or can be upstreamed
[2025-06-23T14:05:41Z] <sewn> man
[2025-06-23T14:05:55Z] <kris_> packaging virtiofsd is 10/10
[2025-06-23T14:05:59Z] <kris_> fundamental package to my workflow 
[2025-06-23T14:06:03Z] <kris_> 100% seriously
[2025-06-23T14:06:25Z] <kris_> though apparently it's just a cargo build? i never actually looked into this honestly
[2025-06-23T14:07:27Z] <kris_> Vova what all do these disables in your xdg-desktop-portal-gtk build script actually do real world
[2025-06-23T14:07:46Z] <kris_> wallpaper? settings? appchooser? lockdown???
[2025-06-23T14:08:15Z] <Vova> I don't need any of them, so I just disabled them, otherwise I should have installed gnome-desktop and other gnome dependencies
[2025-06-23T14:08:30Z] <kris_> right, i'm just curious what these features are responsible for
[2025-06-23T14:08:37Z] <kris_> i figure there's some doc for that somewhere
[2025-06-23T14:10:43Z] <sewn> bruh
[2025-06-23T14:15:11Z] <Vova> sewn: bruh what
[2025-06-23T14:43:47Z] <kris_> i think sometimes he just bruhs
[2025-06-23T14:43:59Z] <kris_> like sewn is a pokemon and that's their name so like it's also what they say
[2025-06-23T14:44:24Z] <sewn> kris i dont just "bruh" sometimes
[2025-06-23T14:44:34Z] <sewn> the features vova are disabling can be automatically enabled
[2025-06-23T14:44:38Z] <sewn> and in his case it will be disabled by default
[2025-06-23T14:44:40Z] <kris_> i just saw you bruh
[2025-06-23T14:44:48Z] <sewn> yeah but it wasnt just for no reason
[2025-06-23T14:44:53Z] <Vova> sewn, it was not
[2025-06-23T14:44:54Z] <sewn> no slandering
[2025-06-23T14:45:01Z] <Vova> I had to manually disable it
[2025-06-23T14:45:07Z] <kris_> sorry i'm in a silly mood
[2025-06-23T14:45:11Z] <sewn> smh vova
[2025-06-23T14:45:18Z] <kris_> and nah i had to go through and package all of the gnome-desktop stuff with my build that doesn't disable any of this
[2025-06-23T14:45:22Z] <kris_> i'm just curious *what* here is being disabled
[2025-06-23T14:45:30Z] <kris_> is your file picker working now?
[2025-06-23T14:49:29Z] <Vova> Didn't try I had to go somewhere
[2025-06-23T14:49:48Z] <kris_> all good, i appreciate the upload nonetheless
[2025-06-23T15:28:48Z] <Vova> Alright so I tested firefox, still no file dialog
[2025-06-23T15:29:01Z] <Vova> So I removed xdg-desktop-portal-gtk and just set in about:config `widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker` to 0
[2025-06-23T15:29:04Z] <Vova> And now it works
[2025-06-23T15:29:15Z] <kris_> interesting
[2025-06-23T15:29:29Z] <kris_> i suspect you'll have more issues later with other software as a result of that though
[2025-06-23T15:29:45Z] <Vova> Maybe idk
[2025-06-23T15:29:58Z] <kris_> there are a few more things you have to do additional to having xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[2025-06-23T15:30:11Z] <kris_> including start it obviously, but some env vars need to be set and you might(?) need dbus
[2025-06-23T15:30:19Z] <kris_> pretty sure you do
[2025-06-23T15:30:43Z] <sewn> kris_: WHAT??
[2025-06-23T15:30:45Z] <sewn> you do not have to start it
[2025-06-23T15:30:51Z] <sewn> it should be started for you by xdg-desktop-portal
[2025-06-23T15:30:52Z] <Vova> I have dbus, and the xdg-desktop-portal-gtk wasn't spawning automatically, so I spawned it by hand, and still nothing
[2025-06-23T15:30:54Z] <sewn> which is started by your dbus daemon
[2025-06-23T15:31:09Z] <Vova> xdg-desktop-portal and xdg-desktop-portal-wlr get launched automatically indeed
[2025-06-23T15:31:09Z] <kris_> sewn for whatever reason this behavior varies on void and that's my reference
[2025-06-23T15:31:09Z] <sewn> why is kiss like this
[2025-06-23T15:31:11Z] <kris_> and yeah ^
[2025-06-23T15:31:13Z] <kris_> same situation here
[2025-06-23T15:31:24Z] <kris_> exec /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal -r & /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-wlr & /usr/libexec/xdg-desktop-portal-gtk
[2025-06-23T15:31:27Z] <kris_> i have this in my sway config
[2025-06-23T15:31:32Z] <sewn> you need to make sure your portals have your wayland display
[2025-06-23T15:31:36Z] <sewn> you can do that with dbus-update blabh labhalbahblbhabhl
[2025-06-23T15:31:51Z] <sewn> dbus-update-activation-environment DISPLAY WAYLAND_DISPLAY XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=wlroots
[2025-06-23T15:32:23Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/dotfiles/blob/main/sway-run
[2025-06-23T15:32:27Z] <kris_> i have my DM launch this to set a couple of things
[2025-06-23T15:32:36Z] <kris_> though what really matters here is the dbus-run-session sway
[2025-06-23T15:32:48Z] <sewn> dissapoint
[2025-06-23T15:32:59Z] <sewn> okay the wlr_renderer makes sense
[2025-06-23T15:33:06Z] <sewn> and the current desktop
[2025-06-23T15:33:07Z] <sewn> rest are Useles
[2025-06-23T15:33:11Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-06-23T15:33:19Z] <kris_> the rest are referenced from the greetd wiki
[2025-06-23T15:33:20Z] <kris_> :3
[2025-06-23T15:33:24Z] <sewn> fuck your greetd wiki
[2025-06-23T15:33:28Z] <kris_> and i just set them because i am a good boy who does what am told
[2025-06-23T15:34:11Z] <sewn> okay greetd looks good
[2025-06-23T15:34:18Z] <sewn> wait its rust
[2025-06-23T15:34:27Z] <kris_> :star: who cares :star:
[2025-06-23T15:34:39Z] <kris_> https://github.com/apognu/tuigreet
[2025-06-23T15:34:40Z] <kris_> i use this with it
[2025-06-23T15:34:42Z] <sewn> i like my critical desktop components not to be written in a language that i cant trust to build
[2025-06-23T15:34:52Z] <kris_> i might care later
[2025-06-23T15:34:58Z] <kris_> right now i don't care because i'm not the one building them
[2025-06-23T15:37:01Z] <sewn> hmm
[2025-06-23T15:37:04Z] <sewn> i mean we already have gettys
[2025-06-23T15:37:06Z] <sewn> why have a greetd
[2025-06-23T15:37:23Z] <kris_> because i don't want my shell rc running a conditional every time i launch it to see if sway is running to set these vars and launch it
[2025-06-23T15:37:30Z] <kris_> its easier to just have a greeter do it
[2025-06-23T15:37:41Z] <kris_> and it's also nice in some cases to kill a root process like a DM and have all of its children processes die
[2025-06-23T15:38:06Z] <kris_> see: single gpu passthrough setups with VMs
[2025-06-23T15:38:12Z] <sewn> its near instantaenous to compute
[2025-06-23T15:38:18Z] <sewn> but its not easier its just *nicer*
[2025-06-23T15:47:15Z] <midfavila> what do you want sewn 
[2025-06-23T15:47:22Z] <midfavila> do you want cookies
[2025-06-23T15:47:28Z] <sewn> i want a hug
[2025-06-23T15:47:39Z] * midfavila hugs sewn
[2025-06-23T15:47:40Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-06-23T15:47:48Z] <sewn> fanks
[2025-06-23T15:48:09Z] <midfavila> yw
[2025-06-23T15:51:31Z] <kris_> midfavila hii
[2025-06-23T15:52:03Z] <midfavila> hi kris_ 
[2025-06-23T15:52:13Z] <kris_> wtf your presence has just been realized
[2025-06-23T15:52:19Z] <kris_> i forgot i installed a notification daemon and you got displayed on my screen
[2025-06-23T15:52:20Z] <sewn> yippeee
[2025-06-23T15:52:27Z] <kris_> kinda startled me
[2025-06-23T15:52:31Z] <sewn> midfavila jumpscare
[2025-06-23T15:53:01Z] <midfavila> i'm not scary
[2025-06-23T15:53:10Z] <sewn> midfavila jump
[2025-06-23T15:53:26Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-06-23T15:53:38Z] <midfavila> also i'm too tired to exercise
[2025-06-23T15:53:44Z] <midfavila> i had like three hours of sleep last night
[2025-06-23T15:53:46Z] <sewn> hmm
[2025-06-23T15:53:47Z] * midfavila faceplants
[2025-06-23T15:53:47Z] <kris_> i'm too tired to do much of anything
[2025-06-23T15:53:59Z] <kris_> why did you sleep so little
[2025-06-23T15:54:03Z] <kris_> that seems uncharacteristic
[2025-06-23T15:54:06Z] <sewn> i love sleeping fo ten hours
[2025-06-23T15:54:18Z] <midfavila> some of us have JOBS you know
[2025-06-23T15:54:19Z] <midfavila> >:C
[2025-06-23T15:54:27Z] <midfavila> but also i was talking to a fren
[2025-06-23T15:54:57Z] <kris_> i didn't sleep last night
[2025-06-23T15:55:13Z] <kris_> i crashed hard for like 18 hours straight and then woke up at an unreasonable time so just stayed up
[2025-06-23T15:55:51Z] * midfavila puts the gfuel on the top shelf
[2025-06-23T15:55:54Z] <midfavila> that's it mister
[2025-06-23T15:55:58Z] <midfavila> no more for you
[2025-06-23T15:56:05Z] <kris_> i have a cheatcode
[2025-06-23T15:56:17Z] <kris_> today i've spoiled myself and have sugar free monster
[2025-06-23T15:56:33Z] * midfavila puts the monster on the top shelf too
[2025-06-23T15:56:40Z] <kris_> i have more tricks up my sleeve
[2025-06-23T15:56:57Z] <sewn> nooo....... monster.....
[2025-06-23T15:57:01Z] * midfavila puts the sleeves on the top shelf
[2025-06-23T15:57:04Z] <kris_> lmfao
[2025-06-23T15:57:24Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-06-23T15:57:30Z] * kris_ has a step stool but you'll never find it so you can't put it on the top shelf
[2025-06-23T15:57:50Z] <sewn> short
[2025-06-23T15:57:55Z] <kris_> man
[2025-06-23T15:57:55Z] * midfavila lops you off at the knee
[2025-06-23T15:58:05Z] <kris_> one of the kids ive been babysitting is 13 and is a good 4 inches taller than me
[2025-06-23T15:58:05Z] <midfavila> shorter
[2025-06-23T15:58:10Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-06-23T15:58:12Z] <sewn> hahaha
[2025-06-23T15:58:18Z] <midfavila> it's okay being smol is endearing
[2025-06-23T15:58:21Z] * midfavila headpats kris_ 
[2025-06-23T15:58:22Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-06-23T15:58:30Z] <kris_> you will stop it naow
[2025-06-23T15:58:31Z] <kris_> *now
[2025-06-23T15:58:33Z] <kris_> now****
[2025-06-23T15:58:35Z] <kris_> nothing came out right there
[2025-06-23T15:58:54Z] <midfavila> stop it right meow
[2025-06-23T15:58:58Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-06-23T15:59:16Z] <kris_> PTSD from being in highschool and random friends walking up to me and putting their arm on the top of my head as a headrest
[2025-06-23T15:59:25Z] <kris_> and i'm just standing there like >:(
[2025-06-23T15:59:30Z] <midfavila> angy
[2025-06-23T15:59:34Z] <midfavila> :ccc
[2025-06-23T16:00:07Z] <midfavila> fuck that made me spit my tea out ngl
[2025-06-23T16:00:07Z] <midfavila> :v
[2025-06-23T16:00:09Z] <midfavila> brb
[2025-06-23T16:00:14Z] <sewn> were you laughing lol
[2025-06-23T16:01:11Z] <midfavila> maybe a little
[2025-06-23T16:01:19Z] <midfavila> i did giggle
[2025-06-23T16:01:24Z] <kris_> also moderate sidenote and not intended to be inflammatory 
[2025-06-23T16:01:32Z] <kris_> there are not many good channels on irc lol
[2025-06-23T16:01:37Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-06-23T16:01:44Z] <midfavila> there's not much good anything tbqh
[2025-06-23T16:01:47Z] <sewn> theres always 
[2025-06-23T16:01:49Z] <kris_> i joined #linux a few days ago and have been slightly active and it seems like everyone in there is just
[2025-06-23T16:01:50Z] <kris_> idk
[2025-06-23T16:01:53Z] <midfavila> but hey you can always join lobste.rs
[2025-06-23T16:01:53Z] <kris_> not **everyone**
[2025-06-23T16:01:58Z] <kris_> but a good chunk
[2025-06-23T16:01:59Z] <midfavila> i'm sure they would have amazing discussion
[2025-06-23T16:02:03Z] <midfavila> about many amazing topics
[2025-06-23T16:02:11Z] <kris_> what is lobste.rs
[2025-06-23T16:02:11Z] <midfavila> and not be fucking obnoxious at all
[2025-06-23T16:02:23Z] <kris_> chimera-linux on oftc is pretty chill
[2025-06-23T16:02:25Z] <kris_> i like it in there
[2025-06-23T16:02:29Z] <midfavila> it's like if you took 2016 era tumblr and fused it with the "rust community" and reddit
[2025-06-23T16:02:41Z] <kris_> oh god i used to be a tumblr fanatic in 2016
[2025-06-23T16:02:50Z] <midfavila> go figure smdh
[2025-06-23T16:02:55Z] <kris_> i even had an emo flap
[2025-06-23T16:02:59Z] <kris_> like the haircut that goes over 1 eye
[2025-06-23T16:03:00Z] <sewn> can i see can i see can i see
[2025-06-23T16:03:08Z] <midfavila> >an emo smol
[2025-06-23T16:03:18Z] <sewn> it works!!
[2025-06-23T16:03:24Z] <kris_> can you see what
[2025-06-23T16:03:26Z] <kris_> my emo flap??
[2025-06-23T16:03:27Z] <sewn> yes
[2025-06-23T16:03:29Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-06-23T16:03:38Z] <midfavila> stop it i can only d'aaw so hard
[2025-06-23T16:03:47Z] <midfavila> did you have a myspace
[2025-06-23T16:03:51Z] <kris_> yeah lol
[2025-06-23T16:03:55Z] <kris_> but that was in like 2007
[2025-06-23T16:03:55Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-06-23T16:03:56Z] <sewn> I WANan SEEEEEE
[2025-06-23T16:03:57Z] <midfavila> perfect
[2025-06-23T16:04:03Z] <midfavila> i was a newgrounds kid
[2025-06-23T16:04:04Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2025-06-23T16:04:07Z] <kris_> i used to jam out to some my chemical romance
[2025-06-23T16:04:09Z] <kris_> and the killers
[2025-06-23T16:04:10Z] <midfavila> which tbqh that explains a lot
[2025-06-23T16:04:15Z] <midfavila> now that i think about it
[2025-06-23T16:04:18Z] <kris_> and ESPECIALLY the all american rejects
[2025-06-23T16:04:20Z] <kris_> fuckin love them
[2025-06-23T16:04:39Z] <midfavila> WHO HAS TO KNOW
[2025-06-23T16:04:44Z] <kris_> sewn and no you can't, my server isnt up
[2025-06-23T16:04:48Z] <sewn> :<
[2025-06-23T16:04:48Z] <midfavila> I'LL TEACH YOU MY DIRTY LITTLE SECREEEEEET
[2025-06-23T16:04:51Z] <kris_> ive had it down because void has been so unstable that i'm terrified to touch it
[2025-06-23T16:04:55Z] <kris_> in terms of updates
[2025-06-23T16:04:58Z] <midfavila> ngl install kiss
[2025-06-23T16:05:00Z] <kris_> so its just off until i figure out what to do
[2025-06-23T16:05:00Z] <midfavila> never update
[2025-06-23T16:05:11Z] <kris_> i could also never update on void but i don't like "never update"
[2025-06-23T16:05:19Z] <midfavila> updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:20Z] <midfavila> updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:23Z] <midfavila> updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:25Z] <kris_> i am not an updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:26Z] <midfavila> updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:28Z] <midfavila> ur an updooter
[2025-06-23T16:05:33Z] <kris_> what got me started on void is that the packages are fucking old
[2025-06-23T16:05:34Z] <kris_> or were
[2025-06-23T16:05:43Z] <kris_> like very slow rolling
[2025-06-23T16:05:50Z] <kris_> rolling in this context literally only means no versioned releases
[2025-06-23T16:06:03Z] <midfavila> basically how i do things on my kiss fork thing
[2025-06-23T16:06:23Z] <kris_> what pushed me off of arch years ago was the whole "omg new i need it now because its new right now it's new" mentality
[2025-06-23T16:06:29Z] <midfavila> unless there's like, an actual reason, i usually run a version or two behind 
[2025-06-23T16:06:31Z] <kris_> and then i was like hold up, systemd also kinda sucks
[2025-06-23T16:06:38Z] <kris_> and then hold up, glibc is kind of a huge security problem on its own
[2025-06-23T16:06:39Z] <midfavila> you developed true consciousness
[2025-06-23T16:06:59Z] <kris_> i'm considering gentoo honestly
[2025-06-23T16:07:02Z] <midfavila> do NOT
[2025-06-23T16:07:03Z] <midfavila> fucking
[2025-06-23T16:07:04Z] <midfavila> INSTALL
[2025-06-23T16:07:04Z] <kris_> i just don't like openrc
[2025-06-23T16:07:06Z] <midfavila> GENTOO
[2025-06-23T16:07:07Z] <midfavila> over KISS
[2025-06-23T16:07:09Z] <midfavila> i swear
[2025-06-23T16:07:13Z] <kris_> i installed it like 2 weeks ago in a VM and honestly kinda hated it
[2025-06-23T16:07:16Z] <kris_> portage is ASS
[2025-06-23T16:07:22Z] * midfavila puts kris' computers on the top shelf
[2025-06-23T16:07:23Z] <kris_> but i figure it should be stable.. right?
[2025-06-23T16:07:25Z] <kris_> STPO
[2025-06-23T16:07:29Z] <midfavila> grounded until you can have correct opinions
[2025-06-23T16:07:41Z] <kris_> you say i'm grounded like i'm capable of jumping to leave the ground
[2025-06-23T16:07:44Z] <kris_> i will hurt myself
[2025-06-23T16:07:50Z] <midfavila> do not
[2025-06-23T16:07:52Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-06-23T16:08:02Z] <kris_> im pretty sure i fractured my foot
[2025-06-23T16:08:04Z] <kris_> btw
[2025-06-23T16:08:11Z] <kris_> i have NO clue how
[2025-06-23T16:08:12Z] <midfavila> wh
[2025-06-23T16:08:16Z] <kris_> i think it literally just >happened
[2025-06-23T16:08:30Z] <kris_> either that or a toe is like dislocated
[2025-06-23T16:08:38Z] <kris_> i'm too much of a wimp to see if i can pop it back into place
[2025-06-23T16:09:15Z] <kris_> anyway
[2025-06-23T16:09:26Z] <kris_> midfavila i'm not putting kiss on a server, i want this shit to sit and not have to require attention even through updates
[2025-06-23T16:09:30Z] <kris_> and not require much effort to configure to begin with
[2025-06-23T16:09:30Z] <sewn> and you .. wont go to a doctor to get it checked...
[2025-06-23T16:09:44Z] <kris_> no?
[2025-06-23T16:09:46Z] <kris_> i can still walk
[2025-06-23T16:09:55Z] <sewn> ...these americans man
[2025-06-23T16:10:00Z] <sewn> please get it checked
[2025-06-23T16:10:34Z] <kris_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni0YfrSK570
[2025-06-23T16:10:39Z] <kris_> this is the most accurate shit ive ever seen
[2025-06-23T16:10:42Z] <kris_> (i grew up on a farm)
[2025-06-23T16:11:51Z] <sewn> bwa
[2025-06-23T16:12:11Z] <midfavila> sewn: i saw a documentary a while ago about how the government in america wouldn't even pay for the medical expenses of volunteer firefighters on 9/11
[2025-06-23T16:12:15Z] <midfavila> wild shit
[2025-06-23T16:12:29Z] <midfavila> kris_: move to canada
[2025-06-23T16:12:43Z] <kris_> oh no my medical care is theoretically free
[2025-06-23T16:12:43Z] <midfavila> i'm sure i can smuggle you in a suitcase
[2025-06-23T16:12:49Z] <kris_> i just legit don't want to go
[2025-06-23T16:12:53Z] <midfavila> bruh
[2025-06-23T16:12:59Z] <kris_> i get random parts of my body that hurt for a while and then it goes away pretty often
[2025-06-23T16:12:59Z] <sewn> make sure to care for the smol well
[2025-06-23T16:13:01Z] <midfavila> if your foot is broken go to the er
[2025-06-23T16:13:01Z] <kris_> always been that way
[2025-06-23T16:13:07Z] <kris_> see i don't know if it is or not
[2025-06-23T16:13:10Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2025-06-23T16:13:10Z] <midfavila> so
[2025-06-23T16:13:11Z] <midfavila> go 
[2025-06-23T16:13:12Z] <kris_> ill give it a few more days
[2025-06-23T16:13:13Z] <midfavila> to the doctor
[2025-06-23T16:13:24Z] <kris_> as per usual if it stops hurting within a week then it was fake news
[2025-06-23T16:13:27Z] <midfavila> and the doctor can tell you if it's a normal thing or a i-broke-my-foot-thing
[2025-06-23T16:13:35Z] <midfavila> dude ur a computer nerd not a biology nerd
[2025-06-23T16:13:42Z] * midfavila flicks kris' nose
[2025-06-23T16:13:54Z] <kris_> ive taken care of some WILD shit on my own 
[2025-06-23T16:13:56Z] <midfavila> i would drag you to the er stg
[2025-06-23T16:13:59Z] <kris_> especially with a pocket knife and bottle of gin
[2025-06-23T16:14:09Z] <midfavila> that's not the flex you think it is >.>
[2025-06-23T16:14:16Z] <kris_> it wasnt meant to be a flex
[2025-06-23T16:14:23Z] <kris_> it's meant to be like "if there's a problem itll be solved"
[2025-06-23T16:14:30Z] <kris_> i went to the doctor shortly after that because the problem *didn't* go away
[2025-06-23T16:14:36Z] <kris_> and that's how i got my blood stolen
[2025-06-23T16:14:44Z] * midfavila squints
[2025-06-23T16:14:54Z] <midfavila> remind me to avoid america whenever possible
[2025-06-23T16:14:58Z] <midfavila> jesus christ
[2025-06-23T16:15:09Z] <kris_> doc wanted to run blood tests to see if i had diabetes from not eating enough based on a few things
[2025-06-23T16:15:12Z] <kris_> so she took some blood right
[2025-06-23T16:15:16Z] <kris_> said i'd be mailed the results
[2025-06-23T16:15:18Z] <kris_> its been like 8 months
[2025-06-23T16:15:25Z] <midfavila> have you like
[2025-06-23T16:15:27Z] <midfavila> followed up
[2025-06-23T16:15:32Z] <kris_> uh
[2025-06-23T16:15:43Z] <midfavila> >.>
[2025-06-23T16:15:57Z] <kris_> honestly i maybe should call them
[2025-06-23T16:16:04Z] <midfavila> i'll steal your nos- bruh
[2025-06-23T16:16:05Z] <midfavila> dude
[2025-06-23T16:16:08Z] <kris_> but i already know how this is going to go
[2025-06-23T16:16:11Z] * midfavila rubs his temples
[2025-06-23T16:16:21Z] <kris_> (you should be, i'm trying to poke at you)
[2025-06-23T16:16:36Z] <midfavila> i'm actually going to bully you
[2025-06-23T16:16:37Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-06-23T16:16:46Z] <kris_> but nah that doctors visit was ridiculous
[2025-06-23T16:16:59Z] <kris_> she also didn't call my antibiotics into the pharmacy
[2025-06-23T16:17:08Z] <midfavila> sounds like you went to a shitty doctor
[2025-06-23T16:17:09Z] <kris_> so i show up to get my scripts and all i get is some ibuprofen and i'm like ??
[2025-06-23T16:17:15Z] <midfavila> can't you go to a different one
[2025-06-23T16:17:18Z] <kris_> and this was a situation where i needed antibiotics within 12 hours or i had to go to the emergency room
[2025-06-23T16:17:27Z] <midfavila> isn't that the advantage of muh markets
[2025-06-23T16:17:33Z] <midfavila> or whatever
[2025-06-23T16:17:34Z] <kris_> yeah i can go to a different doctor
[2025-06-23T16:17:38Z] <kris_> i guess
[2025-06-23T16:17:53Z] <kris_> that's just the most convenient one in terms of like not being an hour drive away
[2025-06-23T16:17:57Z] <kris_> and the ER is a nono
[2025-06-23T16:18:00Z] <kris_> unless you actually need it
[2025-06-23T16:18:09Z] <midfavila> weh
[2025-06-23T16:18:22Z] * midfavila smuggles kris_ across the border
[2025-06-23T16:18:28Z] <midfavila> it's okay you're safe here
[2025-06-23T16:18:37Z] <kris_> but yeah that was fun
[2025-06-23T16:18:43Z] <kris_> i got saved by my state provided insurance though lmao
[2025-06-23T16:18:58Z] <kris_> i read their little booklet and they had a phone number you could call to talk to a doctor directly on the phone who could prescribe medicine
[2025-06-23T16:19:05Z] <kris_> explained the situation to him and he just sent in a script for antibiotics
[2025-06-23T16:19:08Z] <kris_> like over the phone
[2025-06-23T16:19:40Z] <kris_> pretty cool thing i had no idea existed until then
[2025-06-23T16:19:50Z] <midfavila> wait until you discover house calls
[2025-06-23T16:20:27Z] <midfavila> so like
[2025-06-23T16:20:33Z] <midfavila> normally you go to the hospital
[2025-06-23T16:20:38Z] <midfavila> but then the hospital can actually come to you
[2025-06-23T16:20:41Z] <midfavila> it's crazy
[2025-06-23T16:20:56Z] <midfavila> actually i wonder if canada even does house calls any more?
[2025-06-23T16:20:58Z] <midfavila> probably not
[2025-06-23T16:21:02Z] <kris_> the blood tests i had before are invalid now anyway
[2025-06-23T16:21:11Z] <kris_> ive begun eating and consuming zero sugar and consuming less nicotine since then
[2025-06-23T16:21:18Z] <midfavila> on account of the liberals and tories stripping everything decent about canada
[2025-06-23T16:21:23Z] <midfavila> probably a good habit in general
[2025-06-23T16:21:48Z] <kris_> i know for a fact i would have gotten chewed out for inhaling 3.5~ packs of cigarettes worth of nicotine daily via my vape + cigarettes + nicotine pouches
[2025-06-23T16:21:53Z] <kris_> because i'm sure that shows
[2025-06-23T16:22:14Z] <kris_> has improved tho
[2025-06-23T16:22:19Z] <midfavila> >3.5
[2025-06-23T16:22:20Z] <kris_> ANYWAY SERIOUSLY
[2025-06-23T16:22:25Z] <kris_> midfavila yeah easily
[2025-06-23T16:22:27Z] * midfavila puts the vapes on the top shelf too
[2025-06-23T16:22:34Z] <kris_> well i still have my american spirit blacks and zyns so
[2025-06-23T16:22:39Z] <kris_> and youll never get them
[2025-06-23T16:22:40Z] <kris_> i run fast
[2025-06-23T16:22:45Z] <midfavila> i have a bicycle
[2025-06-23T16:22:52Z] <sewn> i vomited when i had a zyn :3
[2025-06-23T16:22:53Z] <kris_> i have a car
[2025-06-23T16:22:55Z] <midfavila> i'm just going to joust you with a broomstick 
[2025-06-23T16:23:03Z] <midfavila> i have literally outpaced cars on a flat before
[2025-06-23T16:23:10Z] <kris_> sewn yeah probably if that's your first introduction to nicotine
[2025-06-23T16:23:15Z] <sewn> it was yes
[2025-06-23T16:23:16Z] <kris_> did you have 3mg or 6mg
[2025-06-23T16:23:19Z] <sewn> no clue
[2025-06-23T16:23:20Z] <kris_> yeah whoever gave you that is an asshole
[2025-06-23T16:23:30Z] * midfavila baps sewn with a rolled-up newspaper
[2025-06-23T16:23:31Z] <midfavila> bad
[2025-06-23T16:23:40Z] <midfavila> didnt you ever take dare as a kid
[2025-06-23T16:23:40Z] <sewn> hey why
[2025-06-23T16:23:46Z] <midfavila> dont you know that winners dont do drugs
[2025-06-23T16:23:49Z] <kris_> i should get a dare shirt
[2025-06-23T16:23:53Z] <kris_> those are awesome
[2025-06-23T16:23:59Z] <midfavila> i had to do dare like four times
[2025-06-23T16:24:03Z] <sewn> dare?
[2025-06-23T16:24:07Z] <kris_> dare shirts are only cool if you do drugs though
[2025-06-23T16:24:07Z] <midfavila> bc every time i finished my parents would get posted to a new base 
[2025-06-23T16:24:08Z] <kris_> not if you don't
[2025-06-23T16:24:13Z] <midfavila> and we would have to restart
[2025-06-23T16:24:21Z] <midfavila> sewn: stupid "anti-drug" PSA in canada and america
[2025-06-23T16:24:24Z] <kris_> also i intend on going back to a doctor soon anywya
[2025-06-23T16:24:24Z] <sewn> ohh
[2025-06-23T16:24:30Z] <kris_> i'm going to try to get a med card for weed
[2025-06-23T16:24:32Z] <midfavila> actual purpose was to turn kids into what amounts to a secret police force
[2025-06-23T16:24:42Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-06-23T16:24:49Z] <kris_> it's legal here but i have actual reasons to have a med card
[2025-06-23T16:24:51Z] <kris_> which makes it tax free
[2025-06-23T16:24:54Z] <midfavila> there was another one i had to do called power for bones 
[2025-06-23T16:24:59Z] <midfavila> had to do that one twice
[2025-06-23T16:25:05Z] <midfavila> literally just dairy industry propaganda 
[2025-06-23T16:25:12Z] <kris_> my mother didn't let me into any of those DARE esque programs @ school
[2025-06-23T16:25:14Z] <midfavila> one of the main characters was named ozzy perosis
[2025-06-23T16:25:31Z] <midfavila> and he was useless bc he didn't drink enough MILK so his BONES didn't have enough POWER 
[2025-06-23T16:25:34Z] <midfavila> to fuckin
[2025-06-23T16:25:34Z] <midfavila> support himself
[2025-06-23T16:25:35Z] <kris_> it was more of a "weed will probably make you lazy, opioids are bad though don't" from her
[2025-06-23T16:25:40Z] <kris_> didn't want me to get gaslit
[2025-06-23T16:26:07Z] <kris_> (also didn't let me have sex ed)
[2025-06-23T16:26:35Z] <kris_> sewn but honestly nicotine is kind of a shitty drug
[2025-06-23T16:26:40Z] <sewn> i can tell
[2025-06-23T16:26:46Z] <midfavila> wow rood
[2025-06-23T16:26:50Z] <kris_> i don't know what's acceptable in your region though
[2025-06-23T16:27:02Z] <sewn> shoot
[2025-06-23T16:27:39Z] <kris_> but generally for most people nicotine turns into a thing of "at first i got a buzz from this but now i need it just to feel normal with no buzz"
[2025-06-23T16:28:44Z] <kris_> so really my advice is probably just don't
[2025-06-23T16:28:54Z] <kris_> alcohol is probably the worst thing you could do imo
[2025-06-23T16:29:15Z] <midfavila> i mean in terms of broad social ills yeah
[2025-06-23T16:29:37Z] <midfavila> then again come to think about it if you were to classify sugar as a drug...
[2025-06-23T16:29:41Z] <kris_> most things are fine in moderation but alcohol is not something most people have the ability to moderate
[2025-06-23T16:30:21Z] <kris_> and honestly, i can't stand being around drunk people
[2025-06-23T16:30:25Z] <kris_> so that's part of it
[2025-06-23T16:30:55Z] <kris_> midfavila i don't think you can really compare sugar
[2025-06-23T16:31:08Z] <midfavila> absolutely can
[2025-06-23T16:31:11Z] <midfavila> absolutely will
[2025-06-23T16:31:32Z] <kris_> i don't think sugar is generally associated with completely removing someones decision making ability leading to themselves or others dying on the regular
[2025-06-23T16:32:00Z] <midfavila> sure, it's not explicit, but it absolutely does kill 
[2025-06-23T16:32:06Z] <midfavila> and cause enormous amounts of human misery
[2025-06-23T16:32:14Z] <kris_> though i'm not innocent
[2025-06-23T16:32:18Z] <kris_> i usually have like 1 beer per week
[2025-06-23T16:32:28Z] <midfavila> and is very easy to become addicted to, etc
[2025-06-23T16:33:13Z] <kris_> meh
[2025-06-23T16:33:57Z] <kris_> i mean really everything is bad for you, it's about that ability to moderate
[2025-06-23T16:34:16Z] <kris_> stay outside too long get sunburnt
[2025-06-23T16:34:57Z] <kris_> since humans get vitamins from the sun does that mean we photosynthesize 
[2025-06-23T16:35:48Z] <sewn> how are cigarettes 
[2025-06-23T16:36:18Z] <kris_> really just depends on which cigarette but don't let that become a habit please
[2025-06-23T16:36:22Z] <kris_> it's fucking gross
[2025-06-23T16:36:29Z] <sewn> because it harms others?
[2025-06-23T16:36:39Z] <kris_> smoke one and find out, if you didn't like the zyn you're probably not going to like that unless its a light 
[2025-06-23T16:36:51Z] <sewn> just curious
[2025-06-23T16:37:01Z] <kris_> most people just don't like smelling it
[2025-06-23T16:37:14Z] <sewn> ive gotten used to the smell over years
[2025-06-23T16:37:16Z] <kris_> i'm not going to lie to you and say one every now and then will hurt anything at all
[2025-06-23T16:37:23Z] <sewn> of being exposed to it
[2025-06-23T16:37:28Z] <kris_> but constant smoking will lead to literally losing sense of smell and taste and etc
[2025-06-23T16:37:32Z] <kris_> and obviously lung issues
[2025-06-23T16:37:34Z] <sewn> hm
[2025-06-23T16:37:38Z] <sewn> cowabummer
[2025-06-23T16:38:18Z] <kris_> i don't smoke cigs anymore because my family just cold turkey'd it and i don't want to trigger cravings for them when they smell it on me
[2025-06-23T16:38:45Z] <kris_> except for the occasional one where noone is home and i shower right after so they never smell it on me
[2025-06-23T16:39:17Z] <kris_> but generally if you're going to get one, get one that's actual tobacco with no additives
[2025-06-23T16:39:24Z] <kris_> a lot of them tend to be sprayed down with a bunch of bullshit chemicals 
[2025-06-23T16:39:30Z] <kris_> tobacco + water, nothing more
[2025-06-23T16:39:39Z] <midfavila> sewn do not the smoke
[2025-06-23T16:39:42Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-06-23T16:39:51Z] <midfavila> you could use that money to buy more computers
[2025-06-23T16:40:03Z] <kris_> ^
[2025-06-23T16:40:27Z] <sewn> alright
[2025-06-23T16:40:35Z] <sewn> thanks for the heads up i guess
[2025-06-23T16:40:37Z] <kris_> the only drugs i actually fully respect are like
[2025-06-23T16:40:40Z] <kris_> weed and shrooms
[2025-06-23T16:40:46Z] <midfavila> junkie
[2025-06-23T16:40:47Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-06-23T16:40:47Z] <kris_> still requires moderation though
[2025-06-23T16:40:53Z] <kris_> midfavila nuh uh
[2025-06-23T16:41:30Z] <midfavila> yuh huh
[2025-06-23T16:41:35Z] <midfavila> is okay though
[2025-06-23T16:41:43Z] <kris_> i havent consumed anything other than nic and caffeine in like
[2025-06-23T16:41:46Z] <kris_> 4 months
[2025-06-23T16:42:26Z] <midfavila> not even food or water wow
[2025-06-23T16:43:24Z] <kris_> anyway
[2025-06-23T16:43:36Z] <kris_> the things i'm considering are gentoo, alpine (eww), devuan (even more eww)
[2025-06-23T16:43:42Z] <kris_> mostly as a stopgap
[2025-06-23T16:43:47Z] <midfavila> why do you never consider kiss qwq
[2025-06-23T16:43:59Z] <kris_> i'm not doing that on my server mid
[2025-06-23T16:44:37Z] <kris_> i would just use nixos if it were reasonably possible to harden the boot chain
[2025-06-23T16:44:42Z] <kris_> or gnu guix
[2025-06-23T16:44:45Z] * phoebos recommends OpenBSD
[2025-06-23T16:44:46Z] <kris_> those kick ass for servers
[2025-06-23T16:45:03Z] <kris_> just hate this, things are fine for years and suddenly everything is unstable
[2025-06-23T16:45:14Z] <kris_> phoebos nah, VMM still isn't up to standard
[2025-06-23T16:45:39Z] <kris_> bhyve is but i'm not really a fan of freebsd
[2025-06-23T16:50:08Z] <sewn> y
[2025-06-23T16:50:25Z] <kris_> dealing with communities around projects has a knack for making me not like said projects
[2025-06-23T16:50:43Z] <kris_> i was "HR" as mid put it for freebsd for a bit
[2025-06-23T16:51:33Z] <sewn> mid/??QQ?Q?Q
[2025-06-23T16:51:53Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-06-23T16:51:54Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-06-23T16:51:55Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-06-23T16:51:57Z] <midfavila> what do you want
[2025-06-23T16:52:00Z] <midfavila> do you need attention
[2025-06-23T16:52:05Z] <midfavila> have you been watered today
[2025-06-23T16:52:11Z] <midfavila> >.>
[2025-06-23T16:52:31Z] <sewn> no i just herad "mid"
[2025-06-23T16:52:36Z] <sewn> oh wait no i misread the sentence
[2025-06-23T16:52:47Z] * midfavila turns his nose up at sewn
[2025-06-23T16:52:51Z] <sewn> my english parsing is broken
[2025-06-23T16:52:58Z] <kris_> pesky sed
[2025-06-23T18:20:13Z] <midfavila> havin lunch
[2025-06-23T18:20:27Z] <midfavila> brisket sandwich with mustard and pickles and stuff
[2025-06-23T18:20:34Z] <midfavila> = //w//=
[2025-06-23T18:20:37Z] <midfavila> heavenly
[2025-06-23T18:34:45Z] <kris_> i gotta decide what to eet
[2025-06-23T18:49:26Z] <midfavila> kris_: brisket sandwich
[2025-06-23T18:49:31Z] <midfavila> pickles and mustard
[2025-06-23T19:10:25Z] <sewn> I'd kill for this sandwich