[2025-07-02T00:05:41Z] i'm so annoyed and confused [2025-07-02T00:05:45Z] i fucking hate openrc so god damn much [2025-07-02T00:06:03Z] tldr, libvirtd on gentoo was REMOVING my firewall rules, which is not behavior ive seen on any other distro ever [2025-07-02T00:06:15Z] nftables runs BEFORE net does, net ups interfaces [2025-07-02T00:06:24Z] libvirtd depends on net to be up before itll launch, meaning nftables should have already set up its rules [2025-07-02T00:06:37Z] >depend nftables with libvirtd explicitly, doesn't blow up my firewall rules [2025-07-02T00:07:04Z] this type of stuff is why i will never take anything other than runit seriously, there's too much undefined behavior [2025-07-02T00:07:38Z] ive not found anything that would explain why this is happening, everything is all default services as gentoo ships them [2025-07-02T13:11:41Z] midfavila: do you think it'd be a good idea to "sanitize" every packages in the repo and community to enforce the style guide for them ? [2025-07-02T13:11:51Z] hi guys [2025-07-02T13:11:54Z] question [2025-07-02T13:12:11Z] midfavila: I made this to check the style of package https://codeberg.org/Ogromny/kiss_styles_enforcer [2025-07-02T13:12:19Z] how do you host your personal website? And its a good idea to host your own server? [2025-07-02T13:13:24Z] i mean domain and those things [2025-07-02T13:16:37Z] no [2025-07-02T13:16:40Z] ba#ld idea [2025-07-02T13:17:47Z] security problems? [2025-07-02T13:17:58Z] i mean firewall and your connections [2025-07-02T13:20:05Z] asimov: i just have a vps running void with caddy to serve my website [2025-07-02T13:22:29Z] what is your vps provider? [2025-07-02T13:25:18Z] asimov: "I will maintain s server just to host a website" [2025-07-02T13:25:24Z] stupid [2025-07-02T13:25:30Z] use github/codeberg pages [2025-07-02T13:25:37Z] i use hetzner [2025-07-02T13:25:47Z] and sewn is correct, you shouldn't maintain a whole server just for a website [2025-07-02T13:25:58Z] yippee [2025-07-02T13:26:10Z] codeberg pages works well in my experience [2025-07-02T13:29:55Z] like if you have other things you also want to host publicly that aren't static pages, *then* get a vps [2025-07-02T13:30:11Z] asimov: i also feel required to tell you that hetzner will likely comply with any law enforcement or anything really even without a warrant [2025-07-02T13:30:27Z] and no, i can't tell you who told me that but it's *well informed* [2025-07-02T13:30:47Z] I have a vps [2025-07-02T13:30:53Z] thanks guys [2025-07-02T13:30:55Z] and I dont really like it [2025-07-02T13:31:01Z] i have an incredibly overkill local network, i could easily host stuff on WAN [2025-07-02T13:31:07Z] i just planned to host a piracy website and a personal [2025-07-02T13:31:11Z] soon I'll move to local [2025-07-02T13:31:14Z] just havent yet because i still want to mask my IP and havent figured out how i wanna proxy it [2025-07-02T13:31:15Z] but vps is kinda problem for piracy [2025-07-02T13:31:24Z] just get some old computer to use as a seedbox locally [2025-07-02T13:31:28Z] yes [2025-07-02T13:31:52Z] i have a old laptop [2025-07-02T13:32:00Z] or, the kris_ approach, a fat computer locally to host VMs on for all of this various shit [2025-07-02T13:32:02Z] so maybe just a home server and remote things on it [2025-07-02T13:32:06Z] and yes you could do that [2025-07-02T13:32:10Z] built in UPS too if the battery works [2025-07-02T13:32:30Z] lol [2025-07-02T13:32:50Z] sewn: how's your experience on chimera been stability wise [2025-07-02T13:32:59Z] have you had many like untested changes pushed that blew up something [2025-07-02T13:33:01Z] never had any problems [2025-07-02T13:33:09Z] i may just go ask q66, she's so nice [2025-07-02T13:33:11Z] I'll have to go to the irc archives for that one [2025-07-02T13:33:12Z] also [2025-07-02T13:33:25Z] q66 was casually :3ing when the whole thing happened [2025-07-02T13:33:28Z] she finds it quite funny [2025-07-02T13:33:29Z] like idk its rare to see a community that isn't immediately on my ass for technically saying something wrong [2025-07-02T13:33:32Z] lol [2025-07-02T13:33:49Z] and yes i like the drama with them recently lol [2025-07-02T13:33:57Z] that makes me want to use it tbh [2025-07-02T13:34:21Z] what have I been saying vro [2025-07-02T13:34:26Z] also chimera on vps [2025-07-02T13:34:30Z] its mwah [2025-07-02T13:34:42Z] package building could be better but its fine lol [2025-07-02T13:34:43Z] sewn: stinky it didn't matter what you had been saying until i started having random things on void explode [2025-07-02T13:34:49Z] and now it does [2025-07-02T13:34:53Z] :troll: [2025-07-02T13:35:06Z] are you calling me stinky [2025-07-02T13:35:10Z] on a serious note though, i put gentoo on my local server and the nftables defaults are fucking BAAAAD [2025-07-02T13:35:15Z] like so bad that they're actually just outright dangerous [2025-07-02T13:35:21Z] and there's no good reason for it other than potentially stupidity [2025-07-02T13:35:25Z] I love nftables [2025-07-02T13:35:25Z] as far as ive gathered [2025-07-02T13:35:58Z] tldr, if you install libvirt and nftables on gentoo and use them as they come, libvirt will REMOVE your nftables firewall rules and allow all traffic [2025-07-02T13:36:16Z] i *also* noticed, unrelated to that, nftables will save its current rules to the config file on service stop or restart [2025-07-02T13:36:18Z] aka when you reboot [2025-07-02T13:36:24Z] so if *anything* changes your nftables rules, it's saved silently [2025-07-02T13:36:45Z] lame [2025-07-02T13:36:47Z] its fixable but its just so dumb that i don't exactly have confidence lol [2025-07-02T13:37:21Z] and no, i don't want to use chimera on my vps [2025-07-02T13:37:23Z] or lan server [2025-07-02T13:37:37Z] i might just eat my words and use alpine for servers but idk i have analysis paralysis [2025-07-02T13:53:34Z] now the big question [2025-07-02T13:54:26Z] are you watching the world club cup? [2025-07-02T14:21:30Z] who cares [2025-07-02T14:21:32Z] :3 [2025-07-02T14:29:11Z] all latino america [2025-07-02T14:29:23Z] is culture [2025-07-02T14:29:56Z] all the wolrd deal with war for solving territory problems [2025-07-02T14:30:20Z] in latino america proably we will deal territory problems with futboll [2025-07-02T14:31:10Z] ukrain vs russia can easily be ended in one futboll match in my vision [2025-07-02T14:41:14Z] slav ukrain [2025-07-02T15:13:33Z] Vova: ask phoebos lmao [2025-07-02T15:13:46Z] i don't use upstream much any more [2025-07-02T15:20:57Z] * kris_ loves tmux [2025-07-02T15:31:17Z] mtm + dtach better tho [2025-07-02T15:37:33Z] midfavila: there's always something better [2025-07-02T15:37:34Z] also [2025-07-02T15:37:38Z] im wondering if i even need libvirt [2025-07-02T15:37:43Z] i could write a qemu frontend in like a day [2025-07-02T15:38:03Z] i wonder if virt-viewer still works with qemu+ssh remotely without libvirt [2025-07-02T15:38:10Z] the only reason im using virt-manager is to remotely control VMs [2025-07-02T15:48:38Z] Vova: as I said in the earlier linked comment, it doesn't matter that much. The style guide is a guide, and is most useful to help those new to writing packages. It's sometimes referred to if there's a more important problem or especially in new packages [2025-07-02T15:55:35Z] idk dtach and mtm are pretty good [2025-07-02T15:57:12Z] phoebos: my bad, forgot that I had already ask lmao [2025-07-02T16:32:18Z] hrmph [2025-07-02T16:32:23Z] style guide should be followed [2025-07-02T16:32:26Z] why have it if its not used [2025-07-02T17:15:23Z] uhmm actually standards slow down innovation [2025-07-02T17:15:56Z] we need to move fast so we can outmanoeuvre our competition [2025-07-02T17:16:26Z] and uhhhh synergise effective products for our clients so we can generate maximum ROI ASAP for our shareholders [2025-07-02T17:16:33Z] obviously [2025-07-02T18:06:38Z] obviously [2025-07-02T18:08:15Z] yes [2025-07-02T18:13:02Z] oh good the new brunswick government has just gotten around to finding me a GP [2025-07-02T18:13:06Z] ...two years after i left the province [2025-07-02T18:13:20Z] phenomenal [2025-07-02T21:15:42Z] ahhhh... free... at last. [2025-07-02T21:15:49Z] yea I kinda forgot to turn this thing back on [2025-07-02T21:18:30Z] tsk tsk [2025-07-02T21:34:23Z] meiw [2025-07-02T21:44:42Z] riteo: free of what [2025-07-02T21:46:06Z] can you eat real food again!? :O [2025-07-02T21:48:18Z] midfavila: me? [2025-07-02T21:48:21Z] i feel like that's targeted [2025-07-02T21:48:30Z] unless i'm not the only one that eats like a based individual typically [2025-07-02T21:51:48Z] no riteo has been living off of gruel for the past while [2025-07-02T21:51:50Z] it's tragic [2025-07-02T21:51:54Z] no spaghetti [2025-07-02T21:51:57Z] no meat-a-balls [2025-07-02T21:52:04Z] just gruel [2025-07-02T21:52:06Z] right, his situation with acid [2025-07-02T21:52:15Z] then again it could also be school [2025-07-02T21:52:24Z] isn't it coming out for summer now riteo? or did that finish a while ago? [2025-07-02T21:52:27Z] midfavila: ive been eating actual food every other week for the past while [2025-07-02T21:52:33Z] nice [2025-07-02T21:52:40Z] my stomach is not happy but my mental state has rapidly shifted [2025-07-02T21:53:14Z] like just getting real cheese and meat and whatnot to make sandwiches and stuff @ the store instead of microwaving something has changed a lot [2025-07-02T21:53:27Z] * kris_ loves sandwiches, the literal peak form of food [2025-07-02T22:02:40Z] sandwiches are based [2025-07-02T22:02:56Z] sandwiches are like kiss linux if it was food [2025-07-02T22:03:00Z] you reap what you sow etc [2025-07-02T22:03:16Z] i feel like kiss in food form is stir fry [2025-07-02T22:03:20Z] you should make stir fry [2025-07-02T22:06:15Z] kris_: free from nothing, was just a reference [2025-07-02T22:06:19Z] as I finally came back [2025-07-02T22:06:19Z] o [2025-07-02T22:06:33Z] midfavila: no I can't eat real food again [2025-07-02T22:06:42Z] tomorrous is the big day where I go to the gastroenterologist [2025-07-02T22:07:00Z] I predict that he'll go like "uhh... gastroscopy then! Keep going for another two weeks!" or something [2025-07-02T22:07:20Z] if not even worse as I'm taking "stomach protections" [2025-07-02T22:07:39Z] I heard on the webz™ that certain analisys require you to go clean of certain medications for a whole month [2025-07-02T22:08:16Z] midfavila: I went out of high school last year! [2025-07-02T22:08:37Z] I should be studying for the university I'm in but I'm just kinda in limbo for now [2025-07-02T22:09:01Z] I kinda gave up this year and will re-enroll with hopefully will to live [2025-07-02T22:09:37Z] dunno chat sandwiches don't make me go crazy [2025-07-02T22:09:45Z] I'm more of the bread-on-the-side kind of person [2025-07-02T22:10:01Z] although they're useful to spice things up when you can only eat the same 3 ingredients [2025-07-02T22:10:20Z] but even in that case I find wraps to be a lot more satisfying [2025-07-02T22:12:47Z] i am a tortilla hater [2025-07-02T22:18:11Z] why [2025-07-02T22:18:15Z] like, wheat tortillas? [2025-07-02T22:18:27Z] I mean I don't eat those I eat piadinas which are like italian tortillas [2025-07-02T22:18:34Z] I'm not really sure of the differences [2025-07-02T22:20:47Z] ok apparently tortillas use corn flour