[2025-07-07T12:20:27Z] <Vova> Hi
[2025-07-07T12:20:52Z] <Vova> What do you think about adding a feature that automatically remove "make" dependencies after building a package ?
[2025-07-07T12:35:48Z] <riteo> Vova: that sounds dangerous and finnicky
[2025-07-07T12:35:55Z] <riteo> like, meson is usually a make dependency
[2025-07-07T12:36:00Z] <riteo> should it get uninstalled?
[2025-07-07T12:40:04Z] <riteo> I'd argue that most make dependencies are useful and oftentimes essential
[2025-07-07T12:40:26Z] <riteo> probably the best approach would be to do the build container thing and only install them there
[2025-07-07T12:40:47Z] <riteo> so that when the container/chroot/prefix is discarded of it automatically gets rid of them
[2025-07-07T12:45:06Z] <sewn> Vova: kiss hook it
[2025-07-07T12:45:10Z] <sewn> but also don't
[2025-07-07T12:46:18Z] <Vova> riteo: I don't know about the chroot thing, do you have an example in mind ? I could create a kiss chroot just for building package and then retrieve the .tar.gz packages but it seems overkill
[2025-07-07T12:46:31Z] <Vova> My end goal would have been to have only statically linked packages
[2025-07-07T12:46:50Z] <riteo> well a commonly desired/planned feature is to move building to a custom environment of some sort
[2025-07-07T12:47:12Z] <riteo> that should make packages more consistent (no build-time autodetect crap) and allow clean make depends without blasting `make` into space
[2025-07-07T12:47:23Z] <Vova> I see
[2025-07-07T12:47:48Z] <Vova> Btw what's the plan about the kiss package manager, keep it in posix shell or port it to C ?
[2025-07-07T12:47:56Z] <riteo> I'm personally interested too and it's one of the main reasons I've been brainstorming into a txt file for a few years but I really can't find the energy/time to work on it
[2025-07-07T12:48:02Z] <Vova> Also is there any RFC or things like that 
[2025-07-07T12:48:09Z] <riteo> Vova: I have no idea but I personally think that it should stay posix
[2025-07-07T12:48:23Z] <riteo> that said a c alternative sounds great too
[2025-07-07T12:48:41Z] <Vova> The only downside of keeping it in pure posix is the lack of "local" variables imho
[2025-07-07T12:48:46Z] <Vova> Bash is great for that
[2025-07-07T12:48:54Z] <Vova> Even bash's arrays are cool too tbf
[2025-07-07T12:48:55Z] <riteo> I was looking into a sort of fork with a custom format and retro-compatibility with kiss but again can't do it yet
[2025-07-07T12:49:10Z] <riteo> I mean the argument is that the format is so simple that it should not need fancy scripting features
[2025-07-07T12:52:39Z] <Vova> Wait let me try to make a "kiss-buildator", something that automatically build packages into a chroot and only pull the builded packages
[2025-07-07T13:06:41Z] <Vova> Also is there any of you who run a clang only kiss ?
[2025-07-07T13:06:44Z] <Vova> Like no gcc
[2025-07-07T13:06:51Z] <Vova> Everything compiled with clang
[2025-07-07T13:08:22Z] <riteo> there have been repos optimized for that but I have no idea if they're maintained anymore
[2025-07-07T13:08:31Z] <riteo> I just go strong with whatever's there and my outdated fork packages
[2025-07-07T13:08:42Z] <riteo> so, not me
[2025-07-07T13:08:44Z] <Vova> Fair
[2025-07-07T13:43:31Z] <sewn> Vova: do you mean with LLVM
[2025-07-07T13:43:36Z] <Vova> Yeah
[2025-07-07T13:43:38Z] <Vova> full clang/llvm
[2025-07-07T13:43:43Z] <sewn> yeah that sounds nice
[2025-07-07T13:43:44Z] <Vova> And why not full lto too
[2025-07-07T13:43:56Z] <sewn> i tried to do that but failed, the bootstrap process is terrible
[2025-07-07T13:44:07Z] <sewn> once you have a full kiss-llvm system, no need to bootstrap further
[2025-07-07T15:39:59Z] <midfavila> swear to god kingston is the only reason i can into SSDs
[2025-07-07T15:40:16Z] <midfavila> every other mainstream manufacturer of M.2 SSDs still sells well over 100 CAD
[2025-07-07T15:46:01Z] <midfavila> any of you use one of their NV3 drives?
[2025-07-07T15:47:01Z] <kris_> both of my desktop ssds are best buy "refurbs"
[2025-07-07T15:47:19Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-07-07T15:47:23Z] <kris_> $80 for a 2tb samsung 970 evo plus, when i got it, it had the normal factory 15gb written/read so im guessing someone returned it after not knowing how to use it
[2025-07-07T15:47:28Z] <kris_> same story8 with my 1tb boot drive
[2025-07-07T15:47:38Z] <midfavila> idk if best buy canada sells refurbs
[2025-07-07T15:47:46Z] <midfavila> stores kind of suck here compared to america
[2025-07-07T15:48:23Z] * midfavila mostly just wants that ikea projekt credit card
[2025-07-07T15:49:45Z] <midfavila> does best buy sell bicycles in america
[2025-07-07T15:49:52Z] <midfavila> for some reason they've started selling bikes here
[2025-07-07T15:52:07Z] <kris_> ebikes yeah
[2025-07-07T15:52:12Z] <kris_> idk about normal ones
[2025-07-07T15:52:21Z] <midfavila> yeah it's ebikes here too
[2025-07-07T15:52:26Z] <midfavila> ngl i kind of hate ebikes
[2025-07-07T15:52:32Z] <kris_> :gun:
[2025-07-07T15:52:37Z] <kris_> why do you hate ebikes they're so cool
[2025-07-07T15:52:45Z] <midfavila> because they defeat the point of having a bicycle
[2025-07-07T15:52:47Z] <midfavila> get a vespa
[2025-07-07T15:52:56Z] <kris_> i think you're viewing this incorrectly
[2025-07-07T15:53:02Z] <kris_> a lot of it is so you can ride in a grey area of legality
[2025-07-07T15:53:05Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T15:53:06Z] <midfavila> i know
[2025-07-07T15:53:08Z] <kris_> only reason most of them even have pedals
[2025-07-07T15:53:08Z] <midfavila> that's the problem
[2025-07-07T15:53:11Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T15:53:12Z] <midfavila> i know
[2025-07-07T15:53:16Z] <midfavila> that's also the problem
[2025-07-07T15:53:18Z] <midfavila> get a vespa
[2025-07-07T15:53:28Z] <kris_> pretty sure a vespa would require a license
[2025-07-07T15:53:33Z] <midfavila> 49cc models
[2025-07-07T15:53:44Z] <kris_> shrug
[2025-07-07T15:53:46Z] <kris_> i ended up getting a car
[2025-07-07T15:53:54Z] <kris_> kris bad i know
[2025-07-07T15:53:56Z] <midfavila> at least here, most provinces don't require licences for 49cc or lower vehicles afaik
[2025-07-07T15:53:59Z] <midfavila> yes very bad
[2025-07-07T15:54:04Z] <midfavila> modernity is LE BAD
[2025-07-07T15:54:08Z] <kris_> dang someone needs to bap me with a newspaper i guess
[2025-07-07T15:54:12Z] <kris_> or put my car on the top shelf
[2025-07-07T15:54:16Z] <midfavila> if you don't weave your own fabric what are you even doing
[2025-07-07T15:54:17Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-07-07T15:54:24Z] <kris_> legit though insane deal
[2025-07-07T15:54:42Z] <kris_> not like i'm the one who paid for it though and im kinda shocked by this fact
[2025-07-07T15:54:52Z] <midfavila> i will say though that if an ebike stops someone from getting a car i won't complain
[2025-07-07T15:55:03Z] <kris_> my stepmother had made her daughter pay for half of hers but paid fully for mine because "you don't seem entitled to anything"
[2025-07-07T15:55:16Z] <kris_> not sure how to react to that but is good i guess
[2025-07-07T15:55:25Z] <kris_> hopefully there's no family drama as a result of that lmao
[2025-07-07T15:55:35Z] <midfavila> ooooooo someone's stepmum's favourite 
[2025-07-07T15:55:38Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-07T15:55:54Z] <kris_> unlike most people she has an understanding of like
[2025-07-07T15:56:09Z] <kris_> i grew up in a <70 population area with zero chance of ever getting a job and wasn't allowed to even go past the front lawn until i was 18
[2025-07-07T15:56:15Z] <kris_> so i never had an opportunity to do anything
[2025-07-07T15:56:17Z] <kris_> car lets me do thing
[2025-07-07T15:56:20Z] <midfavila> that's crazy
[2025-07-07T15:56:45Z] <kris_> yeah someone not calling me lazy and actually listening to what i say is batshit insane
[2025-07-07T15:56:47Z] <kris_> in my experience
[2025-07-07T15:57:04Z] * kris_ has a distaste for boomers
[2025-07-07T15:57:33Z] <midfavila> you should watch me go off in ##Canada about boomer-related issues
[2025-07-07T15:57:35Z] <midfavila> = w=;
[2025-07-07T15:57:45Z] <kris_> i need to see what other channels exist on here at some point
[2025-07-07T15:57:51Z] <midfavila> a lot
[2025-07-07T15:57:52Z] <kris_> at the moment i'm only really involved with #voidlinux and here
[2025-07-07T15:57:52Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-07-07T15:57:56Z] <kris_> i loiter in #chimera-linux on OFTC
[2025-07-07T15:58:09Z] <kris_> i went into #linux for a little bit and immediately lost brain cells
[2025-07-07T15:58:16Z] <midfavila> oh?
[2025-07-07T15:58:32Z] <kris_> people just really love arguing in bad faith
[2025-07-07T15:58:56Z] <midfavila> maybe
[2025-07-07T15:58:58Z] <kris_> like the last argument i had there was someone telling me that btrfs wasnt noticeably slower than ext4 and xfs so i sent a link with literal benchmarks showing that gnome-terminal takes 3.5 seconds to open on btrfs compared to <500ms on the others
[2025-07-07T15:59:08Z] <kris_> and then refusing to look at it and telling me i'm making shit up
[2025-07-07T15:59:16Z] <midfavila> >gnome-terminal
[2025-07-07T15:59:25Z] <kris_> the point is the filesystem difference
[2025-07-07T15:59:28Z] <kris_> not what app is being launched
[2025-07-07T15:59:30Z] <midfavila> :P
[2025-07-07T16:00:02Z] <midfavila> idk i just don't care about most of that stuff any more. no point in trying to change people's minds
[2025-07-07T16:00:10Z] <midfavila> nilfs is best anyway
[2025-07-07T16:00:11Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-07T16:00:54Z] <kris_> yeah really the problem is me for continuing to argue with people
[2025-07-07T16:01:08Z] <midfavila> yeah doesn't look like the local best buy has anything re: nvme drives
[2025-07-07T16:01:10Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-07-07T16:01:22Z] <midfavila> go figure, best buy sucks
[2025-07-07T16:01:24Z] <kris_> ive been thinking about getting another one at some point
[2025-07-07T16:01:38Z] <midfavila> i want to get one of those sickass 16x carrier cards
[2025-07-07T16:01:39Z] <kris_> i have access to really cheap dell enterprise NVMEs
[2025-07-07T16:01:45Z] <kris_> via knowing someone who works at dell via a proxy
[2025-07-07T16:01:49Z] <kris_> who just has a pile of them
[2025-07-07T16:02:28Z] <midfavila> run four nvmes in raid 0 
[2025-07-07T16:02:28Z] <kris_> they arent normal size though id have to get a pcie card
[2025-07-07T16:02:30Z] <midfavila> hell yeah
[2025-07-07T16:02:45Z] <kris_> honestly
[2025-07-07T16:02:55Z] <kris_> i havent been able to tell a difference in disk speed past decent quality sata ssds
[2025-07-07T16:03:07Z] <midfavila> yeah in most cases it doesn't matter
[2025-07-07T16:03:12Z] <kris_> i got more of a bump from ext4 -> xfs
[2025-07-07T16:03:15Z] <kris_> out of what i noticed i mean
[2025-07-07T16:03:25Z] <midfavila> if you're working with small files then 600mbps or 6000mbps doesn't mean much
[2025-07-07T16:03:29Z] <kris_> though i didnt move to xfs for performance reasons
[2025-07-07T16:03:35Z] <kris_> ive had ext4 blow itself up on power loss way too many times
[2025-07-07T16:03:43Z] <midfavila> i would understand for like, higher-demand games, or video editing or w/e
[2025-07-07T16:03:44Z] <kris_> have TRIED to cause that on xfs and can't
[2025-07-07T16:03:52Z] <midfavila> oh yeah ext4 is a pain
[2025-07-07T16:04:04Z] <midfavila> i pretty much only use like, xfs and nilfs
[2025-07-07T16:04:07Z] <kris_> oh yeah i consoomed the other day
[2025-07-07T16:04:13Z] <midfavila> what did you consoom
[2025-07-07T16:04:15Z] <kris_> bought a few games 
[2025-07-07T16:04:23Z] <kris_> silent hill 2 remaster, resident evil 2,3,4 remaster
[2025-07-07T16:04:24Z] <kris_> and omori
[2025-07-07T16:04:32Z] <midfavila> you *would* buy omori
[2025-07-07T16:04:35Z] <midfavila> wouldn't you
[2025-07-07T16:04:44Z] <kris_> what does this mean
[2025-07-07T16:04:48Z] <midfavila> it means it's kris-coded
[2025-07-07T16:05:00Z] <kris_> maybe
[2025-07-07T16:05:11Z] <kris_> idk anything about it, it was just recommended by a bunch of people who know the type of shit i'm interested in so probably
[2025-07-07T16:05:13Z] <midfavila> woa kris undertale from deltarune
[2025-07-07T16:05:24Z] <midfavila> play deltarune
[2025-07-07T16:05:25Z] <kris_> bleh i also should play undertale at some point
[2025-07-07T16:05:30Z] <midfavila> eh
[2025-07-07T16:05:32Z] <kris_> i got it for like $3 and just never touched it
[2025-07-07T16:05:36Z] <midfavila> undertale is a story game
[2025-07-07T16:05:38Z] <midfavila> not a game-game
[2025-07-07T16:05:45Z] <kris_> i mostly play games for story
[2025-07-07T16:05:50Z] <midfavila> that's fair
[2025-07-07T16:05:51Z] <kris_> outside of counterstrike
[2025-07-07T16:06:07Z] <midfavila> i played through ut a few times
[2025-07-07T16:06:09Z] <midfavila> it's okay
[2025-07-07T16:06:21Z] <midfavila> deltarune is much better
[2025-07-07T16:06:25Z] <kris_> there are very few story games ive played through multiple times
[2025-07-07T16:06:35Z] <kris_> i played the FUCKING SHIT out of doki doki literature club and you better not bully me for that
[2025-07-07T16:06:41Z] <kris_> and the legend of zelda ocarina of time
[2025-07-07T16:06:52Z] <kris_> a man has to get all endings on ddlc
[2025-07-07T16:06:55Z] <midfavila> i am absolutely going to bully you for playing muh literacy club multiple times
[2025-07-07T16:07:04Z] <kris_> just monika bro
[2025-07-07T16:07:09Z] <midfavila> basic
[2025-07-07T16:07:10Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-07T16:07:46Z] <midfavila> idk ddlc is too on-the-nose
[2025-07-07T16:07:46Z] <kris_> there are a few games i'm a huge fan of that i get bullied for liking 
[2025-07-07T16:07:49Z] <kris_> that isn't actually one of them
[2025-07-07T16:08:26Z] <kris_> oh there's another game i need to check out, hold on, forgot what it was called but it was free on steam when i grabbed it
[2025-07-07T16:09:45Z] <kris_> yume nikki
[2025-07-07T16:09:55Z] <kris_> its by the same people who made ib and mad father so i figure ill be into it since i really like both of those games
[2025-07-07T16:10:46Z] <kris_> the holy kris coded games: ib, mad father, corpse party, deep sleep
[2025-07-07T16:10:55Z] <kris_> (games i grew up with other than what i had on my n64)
[2025-07-07T17:33:16Z] <riteo> oh I heard great things out of yume nikki
[2025-07-07T17:33:24Z] <riteo> also wtf mid you played deltarune?!?!?!!?!
[2025-07-07T17:33:35Z] <riteo> I didn't expect that
[2025-07-07T17:33:56Z] <riteo> consooming the finest stuff i must say, deltarune is peak
[2025-07-07T17:45:27Z] <midfavila> ch1 and 2
[2025-07-07T17:45:28Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T17:45:31Z] <midfavila> not 3 or 4
[2025-07-07T17:45:39Z] <midfavila> i don't have the cash to buy bibeo bames rn
[2025-07-07T17:46:10Z] <midfavila> anyway brb going on lunch break
[2025-07-07T17:46:24Z] <riteo> nw mid
[2025-07-07T17:46:35Z] <riteo> have a nice lunch :D
[2025-07-07T19:21:18Z] <sewn> delta rune paid
[2025-07-07T19:21:18Z] <sewn> bad
[2025-07-07T19:21:22Z] <sewn> I don't like
[2025-07-07T19:21:25Z] <sewn> one shot good u play
[2025-07-07T19:53:00Z] <midfavila> bad
[2025-07-07T19:53:07Z] <midfavila> back
[2025-07-07T19:53:08Z] <midfavila> fuc
[2025-07-07T19:53:32Z] <midfavila> company paid for sandwich fixings for the month
[2025-07-07T19:53:43Z] <kris_> food hours
[2025-07-07T19:53:59Z] <midfavila> lunch today is roast beef on sourdough with dijon mustard, pickles, sauerkraut, and red leicester cheese
[2025-07-07T19:54:39Z] <midfavila> btw any of you ever look at romfs?
[2025-07-07T21:01:16Z] <sewn> no :3
[2025-07-07T21:06:25Z] <riteo> holy macaroni that sandwitch sounds yummyyyyyyyyyyyy 
[2025-07-07T21:16:04Z] <kris_> sandwich gang
[2025-07-07T21:40:17Z] <midfavila> riteo sandwich was yummers
[2025-07-07T21:40:28Z] <midfavila> dijon mustard always makes my nose burn though
[2025-07-07T21:40:44Z] <midfavila> kris_ eat sammich
[2025-07-07T21:40:47Z] <midfavila> 10/10 food
[2025-07-07T21:40:56Z] <kris_> no i'm going to just sit here and be pissed off
[2025-07-07T21:41:25Z] <midfavila> do not the angy pls
[2025-07-07T21:42:09Z] <kris_> i should probably just actually ask in the irc but i have some questions about alpine that haven't been answered anywhere lol
[2025-07-07T21:42:33Z] <kris_> asking about a projects political stance usually goes super well i think
[2025-07-07T21:42:43Z] <midfavila> alpine is basically just a subproject of docker 
[2025-07-07T21:42:43Z] <kris_> like im confused on whether or not this is a corporate distro
[2025-07-07T21:42:54Z] <kris_> confused on whether or not it's like actually a community thing tldr
[2025-07-07T21:43:07Z] <midfavila> i tend to lump alpine in with red hat ngl
[2025-07-07T21:43:16Z] <midfavila> that "camp"
[2025-07-07T21:43:35Z] <kris_> i definitely usually don't
[2025-07-07T21:43:44Z] <kris_> idk linux sucks i should just stop using computers
[2025-07-07T21:44:15Z] <midfavila> become farmer
[2025-07-07T21:44:27Z] <kris_> ive been unironically considering it for years at this point
[2025-07-07T21:44:33Z] <kris_> but i know i'm not going to be happy with that
[2025-07-07T21:44:44Z] <kris_> or maybe i will who knows
[2025-07-07T21:44:58Z] <midfavila> you could always start reading the osdev wiki
[2025-07-07T21:45:00Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-07T21:45:08Z] <kris_> the issue isnt linux, the issue is *me*
[2025-07-07T21:45:25Z] <kris_> could make something cool if i felt like i had the free time to maintain any of it lol
[2025-07-07T21:45:56Z] <kris_> im just shocked there are no distros out there that have already finished packages that are actually suitable for a server
[2025-07-07T21:48:57Z] <kris_> lmao does slackwares website actually run on a pentium 3
[2025-07-07T21:50:59Z] <midfavila> wouldnt surprise me
[2025-07-07T21:51:03Z] <midfavila> that would be very slack
[2025-07-07T21:53:56Z] <riteo> I'm pretty sure that alpine is not corporate
[2025-07-07T21:54:29Z] <riteo> would be plastered with corporate sponsors on the homepage and receive a crapton of "kindly sponsored by" contributions
[2025-07-07T21:55:02Z] <riteo> I think it's just very opinionated and happened to really line up with the needs of corporations due to docker's boom
[2025-07-07T21:55:37Z] <riteo> I mean the mini root filesystem at the end is nothing more than, what, busybox, musl, apk, perhaps some of thei custom scripts?
[2025-07-07T21:55:44Z] <riteo> there's very little to "corporate"
[2025-07-07T21:57:13Z] <riteo> kris_: I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it still ran on a pentium 3
[2025-07-07T21:57:28Z] <riteo> that would really be a certified slackware moment, the most based kind 
[2025-07-07T21:57:40Z] <riteo> mfw unix just works
[2025-07-07T21:58:37Z] <kris_> according to the website it does run on a p3 with 512mb of ram lol
[2025-07-07T21:58:51Z] <midfavila> yeap sounds about right
[2025-07-07T21:59:17Z] <kris_> shit would be better suited by a raspberry pi 
[2025-07-07T21:59:21Z] <midfavila> it's going to be a sad day when patrick passes
[2025-07-07T21:59:25Z] <midfavila> kris_: that's not slack
[2025-07-07T21:59:27Z] <kris_> i find that so illogical that its funny though
[2025-07-07T21:59:28Z] <midfavila> don't be silly
[2025-07-07T21:59:35Z] <kris_> midfavila: god dammit someone needs to explain what that means
[2025-07-07T21:59:42Z] <midfavila> slack is slack
[2025-07-07T21:59:44Z] <kris_> every time i inquire about some choice slackware has made people just say "we're slacking"
[2025-07-07T21:59:44Z] <midfavila> you need to just get it
[2025-07-07T22:00:08Z] <midfavila> you gotta ~vibe~
[2025-07-07T22:00:14Z] <midfavila> ~chill~
[2025-07-07T22:00:17Z] <midfavila> ~slack~
[2025-07-07T22:00:21Z] <midfavila> ~take it easy~
[2025-07-07T22:01:02Z] <kris_> >HP
[2025-07-07T22:01:14Z] <midfavila> hue points
[2025-07-07T22:01:22Z] <riteo> honestly that's working better that I expected
[2025-07-07T22:01:27Z] <riteo> slacking really is the way huh
[2025-07-07T22:01:32Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T22:01:41Z] <midfavila> slackware is my favourite set it and forget it distro
[2025-07-07T22:01:46Z] <midfavila> it unironically just works
[2025-07-07T22:01:50Z] <riteo> I really should try it sometime
[2025-07-07T22:01:52Z] <midfavila> i've never had a single issue with it
[2025-07-07T22:01:57Z] <riteo> wait does it support musl
[2025-07-07T22:02:00Z] <riteo> or is it glibc only
[2025-07-07T22:02:02Z] <riteo> or both
[2025-07-07T22:02:04Z] <midfavila> glibc only
[2025-07-07T22:02:10Z] <riteo> that checks out
[2025-07-07T22:02:18Z] <riteo> I mean it makes sense
[2025-07-07T22:02:21Z] <kris_> midfavila: but what if i want some sort of newer software
[2025-07-07T22:02:22Z] <kris_> do you run -current
[2025-07-07T22:02:27Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-07-07T22:02:28Z] <kris_> slackware lets packages get fucking OLD
[2025-07-07T22:02:34Z] <midfavila> if you want to be an updooter use a different distro
[2025-07-07T22:02:36Z] <midfavila> updooter
[2025-07-07T22:02:37Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-07T22:02:37Z] <riteo> lmao
[2025-07-07T22:02:47Z] <midfavila> gonna updoooooot AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-07-07T22:02:49Z] <riteo> mid what does the c mean
[2025-07-07T22:02:51Z] <riteo> like a lil hand?
[2025-07-07T22:02:53Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-07-07T22:02:55Z] <midfavila> :3cccc
[2025-07-07T22:02:57Z] <riteo> that's cuteee
[2025-07-07T22:02:59Z] <riteo> UwU
[2025-07-07T22:03:03Z] <midfavila> yes i know i'm adorable
[2025-07-07T22:03:07Z] <riteo> yea
[2025-07-07T22:03:10Z] <kris_> okay then allow me to inquire this
[2025-07-07T22:03:14Z] <kris_> how is slackware politically
[2025-07-07T22:03:18Z] <midfavila> slack
[2025-07-07T22:03:21Z] <kris_> god dammit
[2025-07-07T22:03:28Z] <riteo> what does politically mean in this contex
[2025-07-07T22:03:45Z] <riteo> like, how is it managed?
[2025-07-07T22:03:53Z] <midfavila> idk i guess if i was serious i would say that slackware takes the lowest common denominator approach
[2025-07-07T22:03:57Z] <midfavila> it doesn't overcomplicate things
[2025-07-07T22:04:03Z] <midfavila> it measures thrice and strikes once and then moves on
[2025-07-07T22:04:12Z] <riteo> wait is slackware boomer kiss
[2025-07-07T22:04:18Z] <midfavila> more like boomer gentoo
[2025-07-07T22:04:29Z] <riteo> I think it's way simpler than gentoo honestly
[2025-07-07T22:04:32Z] <kris_> slackware has use flags and shit?
[2025-07-07T22:04:40Z] <midfavila> if you edit the slackbuild yes
[2025-07-07T22:04:43Z] <kris_> mid
[2025-07-07T22:04:48Z] <midfavila> :P
[2025-07-07T22:04:54Z] <kris_> if i install slackware in a VM and there's no option to disable the fucking HP printer drivers
[2025-07-07T22:05:02Z] <midfavila> just remove them
[2025-07-07T22:05:06Z] <midfavila> idk why you're seething so hard
[2025-07-07T22:05:10Z] <midfavila> you can just get rid of them
[2025-07-07T22:05:12Z] <riteo> oh wow it's really boomer gentoo then
[2025-07-07T22:05:12Z] <kris_> im mostly goofing around
[2025-07-07T22:05:19Z] <riteo> what is this distro then
[2025-07-07T22:05:28Z] <midfavila> zoomer crux
[2025-07-07T22:06:07Z] <riteo> oh yea after reading the wiki page it really looks more in line with it
[2025-07-07T22:06:15Z] <riteo> I really had the wrongest idea about slack
[2025-07-07T22:06:53Z] <riteo> > and a footprint file listing the files to be included in the packages.
[2025-07-07T22:07:03Z] <riteo> not gonna lie that sounds actually very sweet
[2025-07-07T22:07:12Z] <riteo> kinda manual yea but it's basically a pregenerated manifest
[2025-07-07T22:07:28Z] <riteo> and it would actually make stuff like the "file" dependencies infinitely easier
[2025-07-07T22:07:40Z] <kris_> im curious how slackware current even goes
[2025-07-07T22:07:45Z] <midfavila> wdym
[2025-07-07T22:07:47Z] <kris_> ive heard that slackwares philosophy is to not update stuff without a reason
[2025-07-07T22:07:48Z] <midfavila> it's rolling release
[2025-07-07T22:07:51Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T22:07:51Z] <kris_> so i figure it isnt a true roller
[2025-07-07T22:07:54Z] <midfavila> it is
[2025-07-07T22:07:54Z] <kris_> like arch
[2025-07-07T22:07:56Z] <midfavila> it is
[2025-07-07T22:07:59Z] <kris_> >:(
[2025-07-07T22:08:09Z] <kris_> sounds like a whole lot of updating stuff without a reason
[2025-07-07T22:08:12Z] <midfavila> stable releases are snapshots of current once patrick is satisfied afaik
[2025-07-07T22:08:16Z] <midfavila> not really
[2025-07-07T22:08:19Z] <midfavila> it's not about updooting
[2025-07-07T22:08:23Z] <midfavila> it's about polishing 
[2025-07-07T22:08:24Z] <riteo> wait
[2025-07-07T22:08:29Z] <midfavila> the packages themselves are stable
[2025-07-07T22:08:30Z] <riteo> does slack have the same bdfl since the start
[2025-07-07T22:08:33Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T22:08:36Z] <riteo> crazy
[2025-07-07T22:08:39Z] <kris_> whos going to replace him anyway
[2025-07-07T22:08:40Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-07T22:08:42Z] <kris_> is there a protocol for that
[2025-07-07T22:08:42Z] <midfavila> dunno
[2025-07-07T22:08:44Z] <midfavila> nope 
[2025-07-07T22:08:47Z] <midfavila> not to my knowledge
[2025-07-07T22:08:50Z] <kris_> what if it just vanishes one day
[2025-07-07T22:08:55Z] <midfavila> who knows!
[2025-07-07T22:08:59Z] <midfavila> there might be an election
[2025-07-07T22:08:59Z] <riteo> impossible, he's slacking
[2025-07-07T22:09:02Z] <riteo> infinite stamina
[2025-07-07T22:09:04Z] <riteo> zero burnouts
[2025-07-07T22:09:12Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2025-07-07T22:09:12Z] <riteo> that's really the blessed way
[2025-07-07T22:09:13Z] <midfavila> unironically
[2025-07-07T22:09:15Z] <kris_> i think i'm understanding what this distro is based on how you're explaining this
[2025-07-07T22:09:19Z] <midfavila> i don't think he's ever stopped 
[2025-07-07T22:09:23Z] <midfavila> he just kinda goes
[2025-07-07T22:09:28Z] <kris_> >don't know don't care
[2025-07-07T22:09:28Z] <midfavila> and stuff happens when it happens
[2025-07-07T22:09:29Z] <kris_> >the distro
[2025-07-07T22:09:36Z] <midfavila> not really
[2025-07-07T22:09:59Z] <kris_> so does this seriously not have dependency resolution
[2025-07-07T22:10:05Z] <kris_> yknow what im gonna look into this
[2025-07-07T22:10:14Z] <midfavila> yeah it doesn't need dependency resolution
[2025-07-07T22:10:19Z] <riteo> i swear if it weren't for my zoomer brain's need for musl I might even have daily'd that eventually
[2025-07-07T22:10:21Z] <midfavila> all of the dependencies are already there
[2025-07-07T22:10:30Z] <riteo> I must moosl
[2025-07-07T22:10:34Z] <kris_> yeah i also must moosl
[2025-07-07T22:10:40Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-07-07T22:10:50Z] <kris_> moving to musl i guess wouldnt be slacking
[2025-07-07T22:10:57Z] <midfavila> you could probably build most of the packages against musl
[2025-07-07T22:10:59Z] <riteo> yea that's actually kinda painful
[2025-07-07T22:11:03Z] <midfavila> just gotta write your own thing
[2025-07-07T22:11:05Z] <riteo> because weird embedded crap in glibc
[2025-07-07T22:11:06Z] <midfavila> for musl
[2025-07-07T22:11:09Z] <riteo> like, what was the name
[2025-07-07T22:11:11Z] <riteo> obs? or something
[2025-07-07T22:11:23Z] <riteo> libexec, thread local stuff iirc
[2025-07-07T22:11:30Z] <riteo> custom stack unwinding apis
[2025-07-07T22:11:35Z] <riteo> locale
[2025-07-07T22:11:36Z] <riteo> god locale
[2025-07-07T22:11:53Z] <riteo> thinking about it it might be the only thing that really kinda is missing from musl but arguably it should not be in the libc should it
[2025-07-07T22:11:57Z] <midfavila> https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-port-to-musl-libc-4175687972/
[2025-07-07T22:13:03Z] <kris_> kernel-firmware (Firmware for the kernel)
[2025-07-07T22:13:12Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-07-07T22:43:31Z] <sewn> meow
[2025-07-07T22:47:28Z] <kris_> sewn: btw, xbps hanging up should have been fixed recently
[2025-07-07T22:47:34Z] <kris_> note: should have been
[2025-07-07T22:47:41Z] * sewn doesn't care
[2025-07-07T22:47:50Z] <sewn> I love my apk
[2025-07-07T22:47:51Z] * kris_ doesn't care that you don't care and tells you anyway
[2025-07-07T22:47:55Z] <kris_> >:(
[2025-07-07T22:48:12Z] <kris_> what did you end up doing for the android studio thing
[2025-07-07T22:51:52Z] <kkxyz> How do I make my own rootfs tarball?
[2025-07-07T22:52:15Z] <kris_> kkxyz: https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/maintainer-utils
[2025-07-07T22:56:14Z] <kkxyz> Does this cross compile the tarball?
[2025-07-07T23:35:47Z] <kkxyz> Also how do I sway out udev with mdev in tinyramfs
[2025-07-07T23:37:04Z] <kkxyz> *swap