[2025-07-15T03:58:01Z] <asimov> bruh
[2025-07-15T03:58:10Z] <asimov> is muon still planned?
[2025-07-15T03:58:10Z] <kris_> hurb
[2025-07-15T04:17:24Z] <sewn> no one cares hard enough anymore
[2025-07-15T04:17:28Z] <sewn> not even the maintainers
[2025-07-15T04:18:00Z] <asimov> you mean the maintainers of muon?
[2025-07-15T04:18:13Z] <asimov> or the maintainers of the muon plan in kiss?
[2025-07-15T06:07:09Z] <sewn> maintainers of muon plan is me
[2025-07-15T06:07:16Z] <sewn> I mean maintainer of kiss 
[2025-07-15T06:07:32Z] <sewn> I was asking for merge but no response really, but I get it because its not tested fully
[2025-07-15T06:07:37Z] <sewn> and also I'm not on kiss anymore
[2025-07-15T12:31:10Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: every boot would eventually tear if someone steps on your heels on your every step. no boot is indistructable. but sure, getting decent boots would sure be an improvement
[2025-07-15T13:33:13Z] <kris_> a
[2025-07-15T14:40:34Z] <kris_> vis is an interesting thing
[2025-07-15T14:40:46Z] <kris_> never tried it but looking at it right now because i don't really like vim but i also really like vim
[2025-07-15T14:48:01Z] <sewn> yay!
[2025-07-15T14:48:04Z] <sewn> vis my beloved
[2025-07-15T14:50:39Z] <kris_> sewn: ive not used it until just now
[2025-07-15T14:50:45Z] <kris_> infact its your fault that i'm playing with it right now
[2025-07-15T14:50:50Z] <sewn> hehe :3c
[2025-07-15T14:50:58Z] <kris_> i was looking at cports and saw you in the PRs related to a vis package
[2025-07-15T14:51:01Z] <kris_> and i was like >hmm
[2025-07-15T14:51:09Z] <sewn> what were you using before?
[2025-07-15T14:51:18Z] <kris_> regular old vim for config edits
[2025-07-15T14:51:32Z] <kris_> ive been using doom emacs for coding for like a long time and have zero intention of changing that
[2025-07-15T14:51:35Z] <kris_> but regular vim kinda sucks
[2025-07-15T14:51:44Z] <kris_> and i dont like using (doom)emacs for normal file edits
[2025-07-15T14:52:07Z] <sewn> ew
[2025-07-15T14:52:28Z] <kris_> >:(
[2025-07-15T14:52:31Z] <kris_> doom emacs kicks ass
[2025-07-15T15:04:48Z] <kris_> sewn: do you have your vis config on git somewhere just out of curiosity
[2025-07-15T15:04:57Z] <sewn> sewn/home
[2025-07-15T15:05:01Z] <sewn> :3:3
[2025-07-15T15:05:07Z] <sewn> i dont change much about vis
[2025-07-15T15:05:16Z] <sewn> just the colorscheme to be terminal colors only and linenumbers
[2025-07-15T15:05:39Z] <kris_> im curious if there's a way to have like a gitgutter type of thing
[2025-07-15T15:11:42Z] <sewn> gitgutter?
[2025-07-15T15:12:27Z] <kris_> its basically a polished git differ that shows you in the editor what lines you've modified
[2025-07-15T15:19:09Z] <midfavila> kris_: use xedit
[2025-07-15T15:19:10Z] <midfavila> and ed
[2025-07-15T15:27:16Z] <kris_> midfavila: nuh uh
[2025-07-15T15:27:49Z] <sad_plan> vis vis vis vis vis vis vis vis vis vis vis vis
[2025-07-15T15:34:15Z] <kris_> what i'd really like is a proper actual scriptable editor
[2025-07-15T15:34:16Z] <midfavila> ed
[2025-07-15T15:34:25Z] <kris_> no good ones exist
[2025-07-15T15:34:28Z] <midfavila> ed
[2025-07-15T15:34:30Z] <midfavila> sam
[2025-07-15T15:34:31Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-07-15T15:34:39Z] <kris_> i rewrote my shell database library 3 different times
[2025-07-15T15:34:49Z] <kris_> 1. sed 2. ed 3. vi 4. back to sed
[2025-07-15T15:34:55Z] <midfavila> did you try doing it with sam
[2025-07-15T15:34:58Z] <kris_> ed regex is not powerful enough
[2025-07-15T15:35:06Z] <kris_> vi has weird ass limits with commands you can give it via the command line
[2025-07-15T15:35:09Z] <midfavila> try sam
[2025-07-15T15:35:10Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-07-15T15:35:11Z] <kris_> and depending on vi for that is stupid anyway
[2025-07-15T15:35:17Z] <kris_> and nah i hadnt even heard of sam until today
[2025-07-15T15:35:28Z] <midfavila> sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam 
[2025-07-15T15:35:31Z] <kris_> i don't know literally anything about the plan9 group
[2025-07-15T15:35:34Z] <midfavila> sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam sam 
[2025-07-15T15:35:37Z] <kris_> midfavila is excited today
[2025-07-15T15:35:38Z] <midfavila> it's like ed+1
[2025-07-15T15:35:46Z] <kris_> what i really wanted was a standalone ex binary
[2025-07-15T15:35:49Z] <kris_> but nobody packages that
[2025-07-15T15:36:04Z] <midfavila> usually ex is just a sub-mode of vim now right?
[2025-07-15T15:36:08Z] <kris_> ye
[2025-07-15T15:36:14Z] <midfavila> god i hate vi
[2025-07-15T15:36:29Z] <midfavila> a hundred thousand oblivions upon bill joy
[2025-07-15T15:36:31Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-07-15T15:36:43Z] <kris_> i dont mind it but it's also not featured enough to really be useful
[2025-07-15T15:37:10Z] <kris_> it's too shit to be used as a scriptable editor and too annoying to be used interactively
[2025-07-15T15:37:14Z] <kris_> vim is slow and massive
[2025-07-15T15:37:15Z] <midfavila> vi is literally just a bunch of copes so you could have an interactive editor on a shitty terminal
[2025-07-15T15:37:17Z] <kris_> neovim is even slower
[2025-07-15T15:37:37Z] <kris_> like i have a 20 core 265k and i open a big file in vim and scroll and it **chugs**
[2025-07-15T15:37:40Z] <midfavila> ed is fine with just line edits although sam's structural regex is much more flexible
[2025-07-15T15:37:53Z] <midfavila> yeah emacs has that problem too
[2025-07-15T15:37:55Z] <midfavila> thanks elisp
[2025-07-15T15:37:58Z] <kris_> ive not had that issue w emacs
[2025-07-15T15:38:09Z] <kris_> but i don't use vanilla emacs, i just use mostly doom defaults
[2025-07-15T15:38:12Z] <midfavila> emacs has a bigfile mode i think
[2025-07-15T15:38:30Z] <midfavila> where it can unload a bunch of shit and *just* focus on opening a huge file 
[2025-07-15T15:38:31Z] <midfavila> but like
[2025-07-15T15:38:34Z] <midfavila> emacs still chugs lol
[2025-07-15T15:39:02Z] <kris_> ive only had emacs be slow on slow hardware
[2025-07-15T15:39:10Z] <kris_> with vim it's just slow
[2025-07-15T15:39:22Z] <kris_> vis seems interesting as a vi replacement
[2025-07-15T15:39:41Z] <midfavila> a 48t machine running at 3.2ghz isn't exactly so slow i would expect it to chug on a text editor
[2025-07-15T15:39:47Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-07-15T15:39:54Z] <kris_> idk doom emacs runs great on my t480
[2025-07-15T15:39:59Z] <kris_> and the 8350u isnt exactly fast
[2025-07-15T15:40:05Z] <midfavila> maybe it's a config thing then
[2025-07-15T15:40:20Z] <midfavila> i'm sure doom is super optimised on account of being used by a ton of people
[2025-07-15T15:40:25Z] <kris_> i have heard that a lot
[2025-07-15T15:40:29Z] <midfavila> i usually manage my own config 
[2025-07-15T15:40:33Z] <kris_> like emacs needs some config to be performant
[2025-07-15T15:40:34Z] <midfavila> i've never used an emacs "distro"
[2025-07-15T15:40:39Z] <kris_> doom is hardly a distro
[2025-07-15T15:40:49Z] <kris_> it's more of a declarative framework around emacs to change how it gets configured
[2025-07-15T15:40:59Z] <kris_> like i guess it is a distro but it's like
[2025-07-15T15:40:59Z] <kris_> not
[2025-07-15T15:41:01Z] <midfavila> i'm not going to argue about terminology
[2025-07-15T15:41:02Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-07-15T15:41:06Z] <kris_> nononono
[2025-07-15T15:41:10Z] <midfavila> it's a distro, functionally
[2025-07-15T15:41:12Z] <midfavila> cope
[2025-07-15T15:41:13Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-07-15T15:41:14Z] <kris_> i'm just saying it's not something like nvchad
[2025-07-15T15:41:26Z] <kris_> it's not just a >config and some plugins preconfigured
[2025-07-15T15:42:09Z] <kris_> like i dont mean to argue terminology it's just only half true to call it a distro imo
[2025-07-15T15:42:43Z] <kris_> midfavila: also are you familiar with kiwix
[2025-07-15T15:42:58Z] <kris_> i'm looking into selfhosting things like the archwiki and wikipedia recently due to the state of the US and this seems super cool
[2025-07-15T15:43:08Z] <midfavila> i have not
[2025-07-15T15:43:22Z] <kris_> tldr it's like
[2025-07-15T15:43:35Z] <kris_> the entirety of wikipedia no longer requires 1tb of storage, with kiwix it's turned into a binary basically
[2025-07-15T15:43:40Z] <kris_> something called a zim file
[2025-07-15T15:43:44Z] <midfavila> also ngl i would be looking at gtfo'ing 
[2025-07-15T15:43:49Z] <midfavila> so
[2025-07-15T15:43:51Z] <kris_> so you can have a local copy of wikipedia in 100gb or less
[2025-07-15T15:43:53Z] <kris_> including imgaes
[2025-07-15T15:43:56Z] <kris_> images*
[2025-07-15T15:44:32Z] <kris_> i won't be able to gtfo until some other country starts accepting us as refugees which probably won't happen for a really long time or maybe eve
[2025-07-15T15:45:32Z] <midfavila> there are some people here arguing that canada has an obligation to at least consider americans as refugees
[2025-07-15T15:45:43Z] <midfavila> if not permit every single case
[2025-07-15T15:45:44Z] <sewn> meow meow mrrp meow
[2025-07-15T15:45:54Z] * midfavila sprays sewn with the water bottle
[2025-07-15T15:46:32Z] <kris_> canada is a worse experience for me personally at the moment no doubt
[2025-07-15T15:46:46Z] <kris_> hopefully by the time they start accepting refugees there's a huge reason for me to bounce
[2025-07-15T15:46:49Z] <sewn> midfavila: does that mean its a bad time
[2025-07-15T15:46:56Z] <kris_> i'm concerned about some of my family though, a few of them aren't white
[2025-07-15T15:47:09Z] <kris_> i'm not related to them by blood but they're somewhat like iirc a mexican and polish mix
[2025-07-15T15:48:00Z] <kris_> luckily my skin color is as white as it gets despite my facial structure and whatnot being quite native american so i think i'm good
[2025-07-15T15:48:31Z] <midfavila> well, canada doesn't have concetration camps... mostly
[2025-07-15T15:48:32Z] <kris_> its insane that this is a discussion we're having
[2025-07-15T15:48:40Z] <midfavila> and we don't have a gestapo... mostly
[2025-07-15T15:48:43Z] <kris_> and yeah apparently alaska is considering building one now too lmao
[2025-07-15T15:48:46Z] <kris_> now that florida has done it
[2025-07-15T15:48:52Z] <midfavila> oh god fucking damn it
[2025-07-15T15:49:04Z] <kris_> full disclosure idk if it was a joke or not
[2025-07-15T15:49:11Z] <midfavila> i'm supposed to visit my partner in alaska in december this is the last thing i need
[2025-07-15T15:49:12Z] <kris_> but ive heard about alaska considering a "bear alcatraz"
[2025-07-15T15:49:28Z] <midfavila> okay guys if you don't hear from me in january assume the secret police sent me to cecot 
[2025-07-15T15:49:39Z] <kris_> just dont cross the border with any devices ok
[2025-07-15T15:49:43Z] <kris_> like seriously don't
[2025-07-15T15:49:43Z] <midfavila> i'm not lmao
[2025-07-15T15:50:32Z] <midfavila> i don't want some piece of shit fascist fuckpig to see an unlimited first world genocide meme and detain me for a year without consular services
[2025-07-15T15:50:45Z] <midfavila> they've been locking up canadians without consular service recently
[2025-07-15T15:50:47Z] <midfavila> a few have died
[2025-07-15T15:50:52Z] <midfavila> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
[2025-07-15T15:50:59Z] <midfavila> and our government isn't doing SHIT about it
[2025-07-15T15:51:16Z] <kris_> if you cross on land i figure you have a better chance of being okay
[2025-07-15T15:51:22Z] <kris_> but maybe it's better for them to come to you?
[2025-07-15T15:51:30Z] <kris_> like i don't recommend anyone enters our country right now its not safe
[2025-07-15T15:51:44Z] <midfavila> i'm supposed to meet their family and they visited me last time
[2025-07-15T15:51:52Z] <kris_> fair enough
[2025-07-15T15:51:56Z] <midfavila> so, mnmnmmhmmmhmnm
[2025-07-15T15:52:40Z] <kris_> just don't stand out
[2025-07-15T15:52:49Z] <kris_> i dont even recommend bringing no devices, i'd bring a decoy
[2025-07-15T15:52:55Z] <kris_> if you bring in NO devices, that seems weird
[2025-07-15T15:52:55Z] <midfavila> yeah i don't intend to
[2025-07-15T15:53:07Z] <midfavila> i'm just going to say i'm a luddite, which is true
[2025-07-15T15:53:15Z] <kris_> see that's standing out
[2025-07-15T15:53:33Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-07-15T15:53:39Z] <midfavila> i can't pass as a normie in general anyway
[2025-07-15T15:53:49Z] <kris_> my friend from newfoundland luckily didn't get stopped at all
[2025-07-15T15:53:50Z] <midfavila> the best i can do is sort of hippie
[2025-07-15T15:53:55Z] <kris_> but she wiped her phone before coming in
[2025-07-15T15:53:55Z] <midfavila> >:O
[2025-07-15T15:54:00Z] <midfavila> do they have the accent 
[2025-07-15T15:54:03Z] <midfavila> i need to know
[2025-07-15T15:54:04Z] <kris_> tbh dunno
[2025-07-15T15:54:08Z] <kris_> i only speak to her over text
[2025-07-15T15:54:12Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-07-15T15:54:25Z] <kris_> like wiped the phone and left my discord server
[2025-07-15T15:54:37Z] <kris_> because my discord server being found at the border would prooooobably get her kicked back into canada
[2025-07-15T15:54:38Z] <kris_> or detained
[2025-07-15T15:54:52Z] <kris_> buncha commie bastards + jd vance memes of course
[2025-07-15T15:55:03Z] <midfavila> contraband
[2025-07-15T15:55:04Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-07-15T15:55:14Z] <kris_> yeah rest in peace freedom of speech
[2025-07-15T15:55:18Z] <midfavila> these ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS bringing CONTRABAN PROPAGANDA IN 
[2025-07-15T15:55:18Z] <kris_> not that freedom of speech has ever existed
[2025-07-15T15:55:24Z] <midfavila> TAKEN URR JERBS
[2025-07-15T15:55:31Z] <midfavila> LIVEN IN URR HOSES
[2025-07-15T15:55:36Z] <kris_> she was just here for some mechanical engineering thing she had to go to
[2025-07-15T15:55:40Z] <kris_> for work
[2025-07-15T15:55:40Z] <midfavila> EETEN URR FOOD
[2025-07-15T15:55:44Z] <midfavila> there it is
[2025-07-15T15:55:48Z] <midfavila> goin to urr skewls
[2025-07-15T15:55:56Z] <midfavila> or work
[2025-07-15T15:56:02Z] <midfavila> an AMERICAN could have had that
[2025-07-15T15:56:08Z] <midfavila> h o n e s t l y
[2025-07-15T15:56:56Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-07-15T15:57:02Z] <midfavila> i hate living in interesting times
[2025-07-15T15:57:31Z] <kris_> "nothing ever happens" people when things are happening
[2025-07-15T15:57:43Z] <midfavila> me
[2025-07-15T15:57:57Z] <midfavila> also i over-steeped my tea
[2025-07-15T15:58:02Z] <midfavila> lemon_face.jpg
[2025-07-15T15:58:10Z] <kris_> im just wondering what kind of danger i'm in
[2025-07-15T15:58:15Z] <kris_> or will be in
[2025-07-15T15:58:28Z] <kris_> i don't do anything that would really piss my current government off other than have a native american face shape
[2025-07-15T15:58:36Z] <kris_> and use foss software and encrypt everything
[2025-07-15T15:58:40Z] <midfavila> i mean you live in a country where the government is fighting against itself using armoured vehicles and sending its own citizens to concentration camps
[2025-07-15T15:58:52Z] <kris_> yeppers
[2025-07-15T15:58:55Z] <midfavila> and tryin to denaturalise people 
[2025-07-15T15:58:57Z] <midfavila> so like
[2025-07-15T15:58:58Z] <kris_> but i'm quiet
[2025-07-15T15:58:59Z] <midfavila> lmfao
[2025-07-15T15:59:26Z] <kris_> well kinda native american face shape
[2025-07-15T15:59:31Z] <kris_> i just got them cheek bones
[2025-07-15T15:59:33Z] <kris_> and shallow cheeks
[2025-07-15T15:59:48Z] * midfavila squishes kris_' cheeks
[2025-07-15T15:59:58Z] <midfavila> smol
[2025-07-15T16:00:00Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-07-15T16:00:09Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk man
[2025-07-15T16:00:16Z] <midfavila> definitely freaky shit 
[2025-07-15T16:00:28Z] <midfavila> i've been watching what's going on in LA ofc and it's wild
[2025-07-15T16:01:04Z] <kris_> we're gonna have our very own french revolution soon probably
[2025-07-15T16:01:08Z] <kris_> hopefully
[2025-07-15T16:01:14Z] <midfavila> i hope so but ngl i doubt it
[2025-07-15T16:01:38Z] <kris_> my father is being a clown
[2025-07-15T16:01:43Z] <midfavila> the only reason americans are permitted to own firearms is because as a population they're so propagandised they don't realis where they need to point them
[2025-07-15T16:01:46Z] <midfavila> realise*
[2025-07-15T16:01:52Z] <kris_> as in he's commenting on the white houses facebook page with dumb shit all the time now
[2025-07-15T16:01:56Z] <midfavila> bro
[2025-07-15T16:01:57Z] <kris_> like "where's the epstein flight logs?"
[2025-07-15T16:02:05Z] * midfavila sighs
[2025-07-15T16:02:15Z] <kris_> if i get black bagged it's his fault
[2025-07-15T16:02:18Z] <midfavila> reminds me of the last time i saw my mother's social media
[2025-07-15T16:02:34Z] <midfavila> she's always screeching about how she REFUSES to live in a liberal marxist leninist society
[2025-07-15T16:02:43Z] <midfavila> and it makes me want to have an aneurysm 
[2025-07-15T16:03:09Z] <midfavila> like
[2025-07-15T16:03:09Z] <midfavila> just
[2025-07-15T16:03:12Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2025-07-15T16:06:24Z] <kris_> midfavila: i wonder how chaotic the white houses facebook page is right now
[2025-07-15T16:06:31Z] <kris_> i didnt even know they had one, i haven't used facebook in forever
[2025-07-15T16:07:07Z] <kris_> also honestly i don't know literally anything about leninist
[2025-07-15T16:07:28Z] <midfavila> i need to read lenin
[2025-07-15T16:07:30Z] <kris_> like lenin might as well not have existed as far as most americans are aware
[2025-07-15T16:07:33Z] <midfavila> honestly i need to read more in general 
[2025-07-15T16:07:57Z] <midfavila> i've been suggested state and revolution and what is to be done
[2025-07-15T16:09:15Z] <kris_> wasn't marx a neet
[2025-07-15T16:15:41Z] <midfavila> i mean i know engels bankrolled him 
[2025-07-15T16:35:45Z] <kris_> found another thing i need to package
[2025-07-15T16:36:53Z] <sad_plan> am i missing something, or can you in fact boot non-vfat partitions with efi stub? ive always been under the impression that you need vfat, but looking at wikis, theres really no mentions of it being a requirement
[2025-07-15T16:37:02Z] <sad_plan> could we boot with like ext2?
[2025-07-15T16:37:11Z] <sewn> sad_plan: efistub doesnt need any partitions
[2025-07-15T16:37:21Z] <kris_> it needs to be on a vfat partition so your uefi can read it
[2025-07-15T16:37:23Z] <sewn> what matters is your uefi can recognize the filesystem
[2025-07-15T16:37:32Z] <sewn> hence why vfat is your only option
[2025-07-15T16:37:38Z] <sad_plan> makes sense
[2025-07-15T16:37:56Z] <kris_> but id just use a uki and keep /boot ext4 or xfs
[2025-07-15T16:38:11Z] <sad_plan> but how come docs doesnt state this? if this is more or less a hard requirement?
[2025-07-15T16:38:23Z] <kris_> it's stated in the UEFI spec 
[2025-07-15T16:38:46Z] <kris_> roll a UKI and store it on a vfat partition, keep / and /boot 1 partition is my route
[2025-07-15T16:38:54Z] <kris_> and then you can fully encrypt / and have just a uki exposed
[2025-07-15T16:38:57Z] <sad_plan> I see. but nowhere in other wikis. not in arch, not in gentoo. wierd
[2025-07-15T16:39:08Z] <kris_> it just depends
[2025-07-15T16:39:17Z] <kris_> for whatever reason a lot of wikis still assume you're using a bios system
[2025-07-15T16:39:54Z] <sad_plan> well sure, but arch/gentoo includes both
[2025-07-15T16:42:32Z] <sad_plan> so they assume both is an option. any wiki assuming bios is obivously outdated. uefi has been a thing for years now
[2025-07-15T16:49:00Z] <sad_plan> wonderfull. theres a catclock in the tv series preacher
[2025-07-15T16:49:07Z] <sad_plan> like the one from plan9
[2025-07-15T19:28:41Z] <kris_> feck
[2025-07-15T19:32:16Z] <midfavila> fegg
[2025-07-15T19:32:22Z] <midfavila> i heard a cat clock
[2025-07-15T19:32:30Z] <midfavila> is that the one that uses motif
[2025-07-15T19:33:30Z] <kris_> sam seems interesting
[2025-07-15T19:33:36Z] <kris_> i don't know that i think it's better than sed but i'll see
[2025-07-15T19:33:45Z] <kris_> midfavila: do you know if sam edits in-place or if it creates a temp on the disk
[2025-07-15T19:33:47Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/BarkyTheDog/catclock
[2025-07-15T19:33:58Z] <midfavila> pretty sure it just edits in memory???
[2025-07-15T19:34:01Z] <midfavila> like a normal editor?
[2025-07-15T19:34:13Z] <kris_> you might have just sold me
[2025-07-15T19:34:22Z] <kris_> the whole fucking problem with sed is that it spawns a temp file on the disk to edit
[2025-07-15T19:34:29Z] <kris_> and then replaces the original with the temp edited one
[2025-07-15T19:34:48Z] <midfavila> i mean you could just cat into sed
[2025-07-15T19:34:58Z] <kris_> my database lib already keeps seds output in memory
[2025-07-15T19:35:03Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2025-07-15T19:35:05Z] <kris_> the issue is that its memory usage is unpredictable
[2025-07-15T19:35:14Z] <kris_> just depends on the size of the file you're editing
[2025-07-15T19:35:39Z] <midfavila> why not just use sqlite
[2025-07-15T19:35:44Z] <midfavila> as a db
[2025-07-15T19:35:45Z] <kris_> :gun:
[2025-07-15T19:35:57Z] <midfavila> look i don't actually know anything about computers okay
[2025-07-15T19:36:00Z] * kris_ puts the sqlite on the bottom shelf
[2025-07-15T19:36:07Z] <midfavila> i just smack keyboards and sometimes things happen
[2025-07-15T19:36:21Z] <kris_> sqlite is the obvious option i just liked the idea of using coreutils to do the job 
[2025-07-15T19:36:25Z] <kris_> instead of installing something else
[2025-07-15T19:36:33Z] <midfavila> ig
[2025-07-15T19:36:44Z] <kris_> a while ago i was writing a password manager
[2025-07-15T19:36:55Z] <midfavila> >not using pass
[2025-07-15T19:37:00Z] <kris_> the original idea i had was to luks encrypt a file, create an xfs filesystem in that file, and store shit there
[2025-07-15T19:37:09Z] <kris_> and then it turned into dump the passwords into 1 file and encrypt it with gpg
[2025-07-15T19:37:19Z] <kris_> and then it turned into discovering pass and just using that
[2025-07-15T19:37:24Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-07-15T19:37:25Z] <midfavila> good
[2025-07-15T19:37:26Z] <kris_> my design would have been far superior though nonetheless
[2025-07-15T19:37:34Z] <kris_> pass kinda sucks
[2025-07-15T19:37:36Z] <midfavila> i love how everyone is like MUH MUH MUH PASSWORD MANAGERS
[2025-07-15T19:37:42Z] <midfavila> but also screech about muh security
[2025-07-15T19:37:44Z] <midfavila> and it's like
[2025-07-15T19:37:57Z] <midfavila> dude password managers are just the modern equivalent of writing passwords down in a book
[2025-07-15T19:38:09Z] <kris_> i used to do that but password managers enable you to use stupid passwords 
[2025-07-15T19:38:21Z] <midfavila> just use mnemonics and a dictionary 
[2025-07-15T19:38:21Z] <kris_> different one for everything like 200 characters long if you want entirely randomized
[2025-07-15T19:38:54Z] <kris_> the only issue with pass is that it leaks metadata
[2025-07-15T19:38:59Z] <midfavila> alternatively, better solution, stop having nine million accounts 
[2025-07-15T19:39:05Z] <midfavila> but muh muh content
[2025-07-15T19:39:07Z] <midfavila> or whatever
[2025-07-15T19:45:31Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I have no idea. it was just in a series im watching. 
[2025-07-15T19:46:50Z] <sad_plan> also, regarding accounts. I agree that less acounts is better. but sometimes, you just need an account for something. and in that case, I support using a password manager
[2025-07-15T19:58:15Z] <asimov> hi guys
[2025-07-15T19:58:19Z] <asimov> whats up?
[2025-07-15T21:11:43Z] <kris_> heylo
[2025-07-15T21:51:23Z] <kiedtl> hi
[2025-07-15T21:59:50Z] <sewn> hai
[2025-07-15T22:52:32Z] <midfavila> have any of you ever worked on an xmpp client?
[2025-07-15T22:53:48Z] <midfavila> i want to maybe start working on some projects again and part of that is some stuff for libpurple's xmpp module
[2025-07-15T22:56:36Z] <midfavila> it would be really nice to add support for aesgcm:// resources to lurch, and maybe try to cram XEP-0313 message archive management in there
[2025-07-15T22:57:11Z] <midfavila> those plus patching a problem in lurch's omemo implementation and adding the carbons plugin by the same author would leave pidgin in a pretty respectable state... all things considered