[2025-07-17T02:08:41Z] <EliSoli> where is sminov? I've never seen them again here
[2025-07-17T02:11:28Z] <kris_> they were here like 2 days ago or something
[2025-07-17T02:11:38Z] <kris_> just no bouncer i'm guessing
[2025-07-17T05:42:09Z] <monash> maybe this issue ?? i cant tell github doesnt show the full issue https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/17321
[2025-07-17T07:35:18Z] <sewn> wah?
[2025-07-17T08:51:43Z] <Vova> Hi
[2025-07-17T08:51:56Z] <Vova> Is there a reason why clangd is not built on the clang package ?
[2025-07-17T08:52:19Z] <Vova> I mean I know it's just a cmake build line to add but why is it not done ootb ?
[2025-07-17T10:10:29Z] <Vova> Hmm
[2025-07-17T10:10:55Z] <Vova> after switching to sbase (and did the kiss a sbase ...) I can no longer `kiss p`, I get this error:
[2025-07-17T10:11:00Z] <Vova> grep: fopen -: No such file or directory
[2025-07-17T10:42:44Z] <phoebos> Vova: looks like sbase grep doesn't accept -f - for stdin
[2025-07-17T10:47:43Z] <phoebos> POSIX isn't clear if it should
[2025-07-17T10:52:26Z] <phoebos> and I don't think /dev/stdin is strictly posix
[2025-07-17T11:16:02Z] <Vova> I see
[2025-07-17T11:24:39Z] <Vova> what do you guys think of uutils the rewrite in rust of gnu coreutils
[2025-07-17T11:24:54Z] <phoebos> patch https://tmp.bvnf.space/0001-grep-accept-f-for-stdin.patch
[2025-07-17T11:25:54Z] <Vova> ty phoebos but I just switched back to busybox I don't want to have more unpleasant surprise with sbase
[2025-07-17T12:58:50Z] <sewn> phoebos: honestly quite dissapointed its not a shell expansion feature
[2025-07-17T12:59:05Z] <sewn> this means all programs implement - as path which is quite inconvenient
[2025-07-17T13:47:48Z] <kris_> Vova: i'm glad theres a rewrite i'm just not sold on it being a rust rewrite
[2025-07-17T13:48:05Z] <kris_> we'll see how it goes but it looks like that's probably the way forward people have chosen
[2025-07-17T13:48:18Z] <kris_> the main thing i dislike about all of these modern things is that they're rarely GPL'd
[2025-07-17T15:26:57Z] <phoebos> sewn: it's not that hard to support
[2025-07-17T15:27:15Z] <sewn> sure
[2025-07-17T15:27:26Z] <sewn> now do that for millions of programs
[2025-07-17T15:27:39Z] <phoebos> ?
[2025-07-17T15:27:54Z] <phoebos> they mostly already do
[2025-07-17T15:43:22Z] <midfavila> youtube is serving deepfakes of the prime minister from a company trying to get people into some sort of fintech scam lmfao
[2025-07-17T15:43:30Z] <midfavila> thanks google, you pieces of shit
[2025-07-17T16:16:39Z] <kris_> >calling uni for IT helpdesk because their password shit is broken
[2025-07-17T16:16:46Z] <kris_> >can you join our zoom room to show your drivers license
[2025-07-17T16:17:01Z] <kris_> >install firefox on my laptop because librewolf i already know will not work, zoom website cannot access my camera
[2025-07-17T16:17:10Z] <kris_> >join via firefox on my phone, says i need to install chrome
[2025-07-17T16:17:15Z] <kris_> the modern world is a joke
[2025-07-17T16:26:37Z] <midfavila> bro
[2025-07-17T16:27:13Z] <kris_> lineageos has a super stripped down and private enough chromium browser of their own preinstalled so
[2025-07-17T16:27:15Z] <kris_> that ended up working
[2025-07-17T16:27:34Z] <kris_> poor IT guy was waiting on me for forever and i hit him with the "yeah zoom is mess on linux" and he just laughs and says "take your time man"
[2025-07-17T16:27:38Z] <sewn> kris_: bother that is not chromium
[2025-07-17T16:27:43Z] <kris_> maybe he understood idk i didnt wanna hold him up but this is soyware
[2025-07-17T16:27:46Z] <sewn> kris_: bother u can use the zoom flatpak
[2025-07-17T16:27:47Z] <sewn> just works
[2025-07-17T16:27:51Z] <kris_> No
[2025-07-17T16:27:52Z] <sewn> yea
[2025-07-17T16:27:53Z] <sewn> yes
[2025-07-17T16:27:57Z] <sewn> just works :3
[2025-07-17T16:28:08Z] <kris_> the web client usually does too idk why firefox has no access to my webcam on my laptop
[2025-07-17T16:28:13Z] <kris_> it worked fine with my desktop webcam but im not home rn
[2025-07-17T16:28:21Z] <kris_> oh for fucks sake
[2025-07-17T16:28:25Z] <kris_> i disabled my webcam in the bios and forgot about it
[2025-07-17T16:28:29Z] <kris_> JUST remembered
[2025-07-17T16:29:43Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-07-17T16:29:51Z] <midfavila> honestly this is the linux in school experience
[2025-07-17T16:30:06Z] <midfavila> "okay kris_ that's a great presentation now i just need you to print it off for me so i can grade it"
[2025-07-17T16:30:11Z] <midfavila> >print
[2025-07-17T16:30:12Z] <midfavila> >that word
[2025-07-17T16:30:15Z] <midfavila> >start sweating
[2025-07-17T16:30:20Z] <midfavila> >heart in ears
[2025-07-17T16:30:28Z] <midfavila> >palms dripping
[2025-07-17T16:30:31Z] <midfavila> >pupils dilate
[2025-07-17T16:30:57Z] <sewn> me when i just send it to my phone and print from there
[2025-07-17T16:31:06Z] <midfavila> i remember when i was in college they forced everyone to take a computer literacy course for three months
[2025-07-17T16:31:09Z] <midfavila> and it was literally
[2025-07-17T16:31:10Z] <kris_> midfavila: yeah i have fucking no idea how to print stuff on linux
[2025-07-17T16:31:13Z] <midfavila> "this is a monitor"
[2025-07-17T16:31:13Z] <kris_> i havent used a printer in like 15 years
[2025-07-17T16:31:18Z] <midfavila> "this is a keyboard"
[2025-07-17T16:31:21Z] <midfavila> "this is a mouse"
[2025-07-17T16:31:27Z] <midfavila> "this is how you write a word document"
[2025-07-17T16:31:27Z] <kris_> "this is the button for the internet"
[2025-07-17T16:31:31Z] <midfavila> YES
[2025-07-17T16:31:33Z] <midfavila> SERIOUSLY
[2025-07-17T16:31:41Z] <kris_> midfavila: at my last school i just used libreoffice
[2025-07-17T16:31:43Z] <midfavila> it was like computers for people who had only ever used mechanical calculators
[2025-07-17T16:31:44Z] <kris_> none of my professors complained
[2025-07-17T16:31:46Z] <midfavila> see,
[2025-07-17T16:31:49Z] <midfavila> the thing is
[2025-07-17T16:31:49Z] <midfavila> i was using libreoffice 
[2025-07-17T16:31:55Z] <midfavila> like for my assignments
[2025-07-17T16:32:02Z] <midfavila> and they had this bullshit automatic grading portal
[2025-07-17T16:32:09Z] <midfavila> and it DIDNT ACCEPT LIBREOFFICE DOCUMENTS IN WORD FORMAT
[2025-07-17T16:32:25Z] <kris_> thats actually so weird
[2025-07-17T16:32:27Z] <midfavila> so i had to get them to give me an RDP setup 
[2025-07-17T16:32:37Z] <kris_> my last school also juts provided me with office 365 which has a web client so
[2025-07-17T16:32:39Z] <kris_> that also works
[2025-07-17T16:32:49Z] <midfavila> so i could rdp into a machine at the college from home, upload my document, open, save, and *then* upload
[2025-07-17T16:32:49Z] <kris_> im just really hoping i don't end up being forced into windows for a >computer science bachelors
[2025-07-17T16:32:54Z] <midfavila> you will be
[2025-07-17T16:32:55Z] <kris_> everything is a web client these days so i hope not
[2025-07-17T16:33:09Z] <midfavila> even if i didn't have to upgrade some of my credits because >high school during corona
[2025-07-17T16:33:14Z] <midfavila> i wouldn't go into CS these days
[2025-07-17T16:33:16Z] <kris_> i didn't need it before
[2025-07-17T16:33:19Z] <kris_> for cybersec tbf
[2025-07-17T16:33:20Z] <midfavila> waste of fucking time
[2025-07-17T16:33:29Z] <kris_> its not
[2025-07-17T16:33:37Z] <midfavila> it absolutely is
[2025-07-17T16:33:42Z] <midfavila> unless you really wanna work at starbucks
[2025-07-17T16:33:45Z] <kris_> computer science bachelors at a highly well regarded school
[2025-07-17T16:33:53Z] <kris_> work study so job experience too
[2025-07-17T16:33:56Z] <kris_> job experience pays for IT certs
[2025-07-17T16:33:58Z] <kris_> the trifecta
[2025-07-17T16:34:00Z] <kris_> all at once
[2025-07-17T16:34:03Z] <midfavila> >five years of experience
[2025-07-17T16:34:05Z] <kris_> and it costs me nothing but time
[2025-07-17T16:34:14Z] <kris_> midfavila: if this doesnt work im just going to go be a farmer
[2025-07-17T16:34:17Z] <midfavila> >A+ sec+ net+ lin+ RCSE or whatever
[2025-07-17T16:34:26Z] <kris_> i've been advised to skip the A+
[2025-07-17T16:34:33Z] <midfavila> >bachelors with distinction minimum, masters ideal
[2025-07-17T16:34:38Z] <midfavila> the A+ is bullshit
[2025-07-17T16:34:50Z] <kris_> people responsible for hiring me told me the only reason im not getting hired is because i have quite literally zero jobs to list on my resume
[2025-07-17T16:34:51Z] <midfavila> i just got my cert in the mail, it's just stupid trivia 
[2025-07-17T16:34:54Z] <kris_> and i'm clearly too overqualified for helpdesk
[2025-07-17T16:35:03Z] <kris_> so the options are to dumb down my resume for helpdesk or to get job experience and certs
[2025-07-17T16:35:07Z] <kris_> this solves these issues
[2025-07-17T16:35:21Z] <midfavila> normally you would just intern in that situation
[2025-07-17T16:35:24Z] <midfavila> not go to school
[2025-07-17T16:35:31Z] <kris_> most internships require you to be in college
[2025-07-17T16:35:38Z] <midfavila> wat
[2025-07-17T16:35:54Z] <midfavila> god i hate the job market so fucking much aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-07-17T16:36:02Z] <kris_> i'm going to be working at redhat in like 2 years from now probably anyway
[2025-07-17T16:36:09Z] <midfavila> yeah you wish buddy
[2025-07-17T16:36:12Z] <midfavila> good luck
[2025-07-17T16:36:26Z] <sewn> woaa
[2025-07-17T16:36:56Z] <midfavila> maybe like ten years ago that would have happened
[2025-07-17T16:36:59Z] <kris_> midfavila: no i'm very good friends with multiple employees there so i have a way in
[2025-07-17T16:37:08Z] <kris_> they're hiring a bash guy tldr
[2025-07-17T16:37:13Z] <kris_> and golang
[2025-07-17T16:37:19Z] <kris_> i'd be working around the networkmanager stack
[2025-07-17T16:37:53Z] <midfavila> i just wish i could take the time to fucking study at work but every five seconds someone comes in to ask me stupid questions about floors
[2025-07-17T16:38:04Z] <kris_> yeah basically
[2025-07-17T16:38:20Z] <midfavila> stg if i'm "the floor guy" in five years time i'll actually just shoot myself
[2025-07-17T16:38:25Z] <midfavila> so tired of this shit 
[2025-07-17T16:38:36Z] <kris_> if i end up needing windows im going to cry
[2025-07-17T16:38:45Z] <kris_> and just install virtualbox probably
[2025-07-17T16:38:52Z] <midfavila> why not qemu
[2025-07-17T16:38:59Z] <kris_> gpu acceleration is shit with qemu
[2025-07-17T16:39:03Z] <kris_> same with vbox but its at least there
[2025-07-17T16:39:35Z] <midfavila> is that necessary???
[2025-07-17T16:39:44Z] <midfavila> i've never noticed any issues around that
[2025-07-17T16:40:56Z] <kris_> sr-iov doesnt support 8th gen chips so
[2025-07-17T16:40:57Z] <kris_> iirc
[2025-07-17T16:41:12Z] <midfavila> man i just don't care about modern hardware
[2025-07-17T16:41:15Z] <midfavila> haswell is fine
[2025-07-17T16:41:31Z] <midfavila> everyone's always MoViNg FaSt aNd BrEaKiNg ThInGs
[2025-07-17T16:41:38Z] <midfavila> how about we just make it work and call it a fuckin day
[2025-07-17T16:43:40Z] <midfavila> like seriously the entire fucking tech industry is a goddamn scam 
[2025-07-17T16:44:06Z] <midfavila> why do we have twenty companies competing to make, idk, some fuckin fleet management shitware and then we need to train twenty different workforces to manage and operate that
[2025-07-17T16:44:10Z] <midfavila> we could just have one *good* one
[2025-07-17T16:44:37Z] <kris_> i get the feeling i'm going to regret this
[2025-07-17T16:44:43Z] <midfavila> smdh i'm going to go touch grass
[2025-07-17T16:44:59Z] <kris_> requiring windows is just goofy but i don't really think that'll be a problem
[2025-07-17T20:26:56Z] <asimov> hi guts
[2025-07-17T20:34:11Z] <midfavila> griffith.jpeg
[2025-07-17T21:10:17Z] <EliSoli> Rohan is online:
[2025-07-17T21:10:22Z] <EliSoli> ?
[2025-07-17T21:11:08Z] <sewn> yes he is asimov i think
[2025-07-17T21:11:25Z] <EliSoli> \asimov
[2025-07-17T21:11:32Z] <EliSoli> ugh i can't ping people in this new client
[2025-07-17T21:11:35Z] <EliSoli> idk how to do it
[2025-07-17T21:11:50Z] <EliSoli> asimov: maybe this way? I've seen people doing this
[2025-07-17T21:13:34Z] <sewn> uhuh
[2025-07-17T21:13:36Z] <midfavila> EliSoli pinging isn't an actual thing
[2025-07-17T21:13:47Z] <sewn> midfavila they are new to irc
[2025-07-17T21:13:47Z] <midfavila> usually your client just notifies you when it detects a string that matches your name
[2025-07-17T21:13:50Z] <sewn> shut
[2025-07-17T21:13:51Z] <midfavila> sewn since when
[2025-07-17T21:13:52Z] <midfavila> oh
[2025-07-17T21:13:53Z] <midfavila> wait
[2025-07-17T21:13:54Z] <midfavila> eli is
[2025-07-17T21:14:00Z] <midfavila> hasn't eli been around for a while?
[2025-07-17T21:14:10Z] <sewn> uh oh
[2025-07-17T21:15:21Z] <EliSoli> yeah i've been around for some time but I'm relatively new to this IRC thing
[2025-07-17T21:15:38Z] <EliSoli> I was born in 2005, I'm almost a baby
[2025-07-17T21:15:45Z] <kris_> yeah just put someones name in a message and they'll probably get pinged
[2025-07-17T21:15:48Z] <kris_> EliSoli
[2025-07-17T21:15:56Z] <EliSoli> I had to RESEARCH how to use this
[2025-07-17T21:16:03Z] <EliSoli> sure
[2025-07-17T21:16:04Z] <EliSoli> thx
[2025-07-17T21:16:06Z] <kris_> i did too
[2025-07-17T21:16:09Z] <EliSoli> asimov
[2025-07-17T21:16:11Z] <kris_> i'm not much older than you lol
[2025-07-17T21:16:25Z] <sewn> im the oldest
[2025-07-17T21:16:25Z] <sewn> :3
[2025-07-17T21:16:30Z] <kris_> you're not
[2025-07-17T21:16:35Z] <sewn> i am !!
[2025-07-17T21:16:37Z] <EliSoli> :3 how old are you cuties?
[2025-07-17T21:16:40Z] <kris_> either me or mid
[2025-07-17T21:16:45Z] <kris_> out of "our" group
[2025-07-17T21:16:55Z] <kris_> i'm 23
[2025-07-17T21:17:43Z] <sewn> im 90
[2025-07-17T21:17:49Z] <midfavila> shut up sewn
[2025-07-17T21:17:51Z] <midfavila> sewn is a bby
[2025-07-17T21:17:53Z] <midfavila> smol even
[2025-07-17T21:17:59Z] <sewn> i am not smol
[2025-07-17T21:18:01Z] <midfavila> tiny
[2025-07-17T21:18:03Z] <EliSoli> sewn how tall are u?
[2025-07-17T21:18:04Z] <midfavila> itty bitty
[2025-07-17T21:18:18Z] <sewn> i am as tall as mid
[2025-07-17T21:18:30Z] <EliSoli> kahfailiw y'all femboys for sure
[2025-07-17T21:18:39Z] <midfavila> you wish :v
[2025-07-17T21:18:52Z] <EliSoli> im not saying i didn't but...
[2025-07-17T21:19:21Z] <sewn> ur weird eli
[2025-07-17T21:19:36Z] <EliSoli> Ik, I come from Discord
[2025-07-17T21:19:42Z] <kris_> i too come from discord
[2025-07-17T21:19:42Z] <EliSoli> what did you expect
[2025-07-17T21:19:43Z] <midfavila> hiss
[2025-07-17T21:19:51Z] <kris_> joined for #voidlinux and stuck around for the #kisslinux
[2025-07-17T21:20:01Z] <midfavila> only channel worth using t b h
[2025-07-17T21:20:27Z] <kris_> nah theres a few cool ones
[2025-07-17T21:20:40Z] <sewn> go on kris
[2025-07-17T21:20:41Z] * midfavila waits for Eli to refer to channels as "servers"
[2025-07-17T21:20:50Z] <kris_> #chimera-linux on oftc and #zfsbootmenu here
[2025-07-17T21:20:54Z] <sewn> okay fair 
[2025-07-17T21:20:58Z] <sewn> but zfsbootmenu hell naw
[2025-07-17T21:21:02Z] <kris_> #linux fucking sucks
[2025-07-17T21:21:31Z] <kris_> sewn: i'm not there because i care about zfsbootmenu, i joined to ask questions related to implementing it on my installer and stayed because i had some good convos with people there
[2025-07-17T21:21:41Z] <kris_> zfs is not something i'd like ever want to use
[2025-07-17T21:21:45Z] <sewn> ohi see
[2025-07-17T21:21:49Z] <sewn> okay i join and observe
[2025-07-17T21:21:50Z] <midfavila> i once met a guy who was this like
[2025-07-17T21:21:53Z] <sewn> i will stab if false
[2025-07-17T21:21:55Z] <kris_> people kept pestering me to add zfs to my installer so
[2025-07-17T21:22:04Z] <kris_> sewn: it's mostly just void devs chatting
[2025-07-17T21:22:04Z] <midfavila> far-right born-again christian nationalist liberation 1776 type
[2025-07-17T21:22:07Z] <midfavila> and also a furry
[2025-07-17T21:22:10Z] <sewn> nevermind i am leaving
[2025-07-17T21:22:12Z] <midfavila> and he never shut the fuck up about zfs
[2025-07-17T21:22:16Z] <kris_> midfavila: all too common
[2025-07-17T21:22:29Z] <kris_> i knew a guy who renamed himself to hans and bought nazi uniforms and started like dancing to dubstep with it on and stuff
[2025-07-17T21:22:38Z] <kris_> last i heard he went broke due to a cocaine addiction
[2025-07-17T21:22:42Z] * midfavila rubs his eyes tiredly
[2025-07-17T21:22:50Z] <midfavila> why can't they just be normal political extremists
[2025-07-17T21:23:00Z] <midfavila> like the left isn't like this
[2025-07-17T21:23:02Z] <midfavila> ...mostly
[2025-07-17T21:23:09Z] <kris_> that asshole stole some of my work too
[2025-07-17T21:23:09Z] <midfavila> ...sometimes
[2025-07-17T21:23:10Z] <kris_> "stole"
[2025-07-17T21:23:21Z] <kris_> some of my 3d models for his roblocc game
[2025-07-17T21:23:28Z] <midfavila> >he plays roblox
[2025-07-17T21:23:30Z] <midfavila> okay look
[2025-07-17T21:23:32Z] <midfavila> gonna be real with yuo
[2025-07-17T21:23:33Z] <midfavila> you
[2025-07-17T21:23:42Z] <midfavila> if you're above the age of thirteen and you play roblox i'm going to bully you
[2025-07-17T21:23:49Z] <kris_> i play it like, sometimes
[2025-07-17T21:23:55Z] <midfavila> yeah and i bully the fuck out of you
[2025-07-17T21:23:55Z] <kris_> mostly with the kids i babysit because they wanna play games with me
[2025-07-17T21:23:59Z] <EliSoli> ii aammm baackckk
[2025-07-17T21:24:02Z] <midfavila> okay that's fair kris_ 
[2025-07-17T21:24:08Z] <kris_> midfavila: look dude im not buying minecraft bedrock edition it's a waste of money
[2025-07-17T21:24:12Z] <midfavila> it's better than letting them scrool on tiktok
[2025-07-17T21:24:13Z] <EliSoli> i was writting a document for whatever this dude wanted
[2025-07-17T21:24:13Z] <kris_> so the other option they can all play is roblox
[2025-07-17T21:24:45Z] <EliSoli> midfavila how did you do that with "* midfavila rubs his eyes tiredly"
[2025-07-17T21:24:49Z] * midfavila straps kris_ into a chair, forces them to watch AI-generated Mr. Beast do the fortnite dance to AI-generated music 
[2025-07-17T21:24:53Z] <kris_> type in /me <action>
[2025-07-17T21:24:56Z] * midfavila turns playback speed to 200x
[2025-07-17T21:25:05Z] * EliSoli wish a bottle of tequila
[2025-07-17T21:25:07Z] <EliSoli> ohhhh
[2025-07-17T21:25:09Z] <EliSoli> cool
[2025-07-17T21:25:13Z] <kris_> lol no, 2/3 of the kids are too smart for that bullshit
[2025-07-17T21:25:19Z] <kris_> the oldest one and i play a starcraft adjacent game constantly
[2025-07-17T21:25:20Z] <midfavila> that means 1/3 aren't
[2025-07-17T21:25:23Z] <kris_> yep!
[2025-07-17T21:25:26Z] <EliSoli> > test
[2025-07-17T21:25:29Z] <midfavila> that's terrifying
[2025-07-17T21:25:38Z] <kris_> there's a very good reason for it but im not going to go on about it in here
[2025-07-17T21:25:45Z] <kris_> not too much anyway
[2025-07-17T21:25:48Z] <midfavila> fair 
[2025-07-17T21:26:30Z] * EliSoli is watching Adventure Time while eating pancakes
[2025-07-17T21:27:44Z] <EliSoli> hello kata
[2025-07-17T21:27:48Z] <EliSoli> :p
[2025-07-17T22:14:38Z] <EliSoli> test
[2025-07-17T22:15:25Z] <EliSoli> test
[2025-07-17T22:15:35Z] <EliSoli> testing kirc client...
[2025-07-17T22:18:04Z] <EliSoli> I don't have /me here -.-
[2025-07-17T22:20:19Z] * EliSoli test
[2025-07-17T22:20:26Z] <EliSoli> oh cool
[2025-07-17T22:23:09Z] <sewn> just use senpau
[2025-07-17T22:23:14Z] <sewn> the only good irc clientnleft
[2025-07-17T22:24:17Z] <EliSoli> who many deps?
[2025-07-17T22:24:21Z] <EliSoli> kirc has no deps
[2025-07-17T22:29:04Z] <midfavila> sewn rude libpurple is comfy
[2025-07-17T22:29:17Z] <sewn> sounds lame
[2025-07-17T22:29:26Z] <EliSoli> i prefer kirc, no deps but POSIX shell
[2025-07-17T22:29:30Z] <midfavila> you're lame >:c
[2025-07-17T22:29:38Z] <kris_> weechat good
[2025-07-17T22:29:38Z] <EliSoli> don't disrespect each other guys
[2025-07-17T22:29:40Z] <kris_> senpai is OK
[2025-07-17T22:30:08Z] <midfavila> this is just sewn, it's part of their charm 
[2025-07-17T22:30:11Z] * midfavila headpats sewn
[2025-07-17T22:30:29Z] <sewn> look at how they try to suppress me eli
[2025-07-17T22:30:38Z] <sewn> I speak nothing but TRUTH
[2025-07-17T22:30:44Z] * EliSoli hugs both mid and sewn
[2025-07-17T22:30:46Z] <midfavila> trvthnvke
[2025-07-17T22:31:42Z] <midfavila> man 
[2025-07-17T22:31:48Z] <midfavila> do any of you know if there's like
[2025-07-17T22:31:54Z] <midfavila> *good* resources on curss
[2025-07-17T22:31:55Z] <midfavila> curses
[2025-07-17T22:31:56Z] <EliSoli> there's a gurl in my house, daughter of a friend of my mom, should I invite her to my room to show my KISS install?
[2025-07-17T22:32:06Z] <midfavila> other than just reading the source or spec
[2025-07-17T22:32:29Z] <sewn> midfavila: mid
[2025-07-17T22:32:32Z] <midfavila> so many of the resources online only focus on ncurses, or they're just garbage
[2025-07-17T22:32:32Z] <sewn> curses fucking sucks
[2025-07-17T22:32:39Z] <sewn> use a proper tui library 
[2025-07-17T22:32:42Z] <midfavila> it's also the standard
[2025-07-17T22:32:49Z] <EliSoli> ain't nobody need tui
[2025-07-17T22:32:51Z] <sewn> pax is also the standard
[2025-07-17T22:32:54Z] <sewn> no one fucking uses it
[2025-07-17T22:32:59Z] <sewn> just because it standard doesn't mean its good
[2025-07-17T22:33:01Z] <midfavila> and?
[2025-07-17T22:33:02Z] <midfavila> so is ed
[2025-07-17T22:33:04Z] <midfavila> i still like ed
[2025-07-17T22:33:08Z] <EliSoli> ANSI codes are there so we don't need tui
[2025-07-17T22:33:11Z] <midfavila> my beloved
[2025-07-17T22:33:13Z] <EliSoli> ed fucking rocks
[2025-07-17T22:33:15Z] <midfavila> <3 ed
[2025-07-17T22:33:19Z] <sewn> I hate youuu
[2025-07-17T22:33:22Z] <kris_> i can feel my bones twitch
[2025-07-17T22:33:25Z] <midfavila> se is better but it's also from like the 70s
[2025-07-17T22:33:33Z] <midfavila> so it's pre-standard C
[2025-07-17T22:33:37Z] <EliSoli> PDP-11/20 <3
[2025-07-17T22:33:53Z] <midfavila> sewn you love me don't lie
[2025-07-17T22:34:06Z] <midfavila> i'm your favourite kiss user
[2025-07-17T22:34:09Z] * midfavila nods
[2025-07-17T22:34:23Z] <EliSoli> awwwnn, u so gay together, so cutieee
[2025-07-17T22:35:35Z] <sewn> I hate all of yoy
[2025-07-17T22:35:37Z] <sewn> smhmsj
[2025-07-17T22:35:47Z] * midfavila furiously headpats sewn
[2025-07-17T22:35:50Z] <midfavila> be good
[2025-07-17T22:35:51Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-07-17T22:35:57Z] <midfavila> there's an o'reilly curses book
[2025-07-17T22:35:59Z] <midfavila> sick
[2025-07-17T22:36:05Z] <kris_> the car store?
[2025-07-17T22:36:09Z] <midfavila> what
[2025-07-17T22:36:17Z] <kris_> o o o o'reilys 
[2025-07-17T22:36:18Z] <kris_> autoparts
[2025-07-17T22:36:24Z] <midfavila> what are you on
[2025-07-17T22:36:28Z] <midfavila> because i want some
[2025-07-17T22:36:30Z] <midfavila> no, the like
[2025-07-17T22:36:32Z] <midfavila> the textbook people
[2025-07-17T22:36:34Z] <kris_> like 3 hours of sleep total the past few days
[2025-07-17T22:36:39Z] <midfavila> go to bed jfc
[2025-07-17T22:36:49Z] <kris_> in like
[2025-07-17T22:36:49Z] <kris_> 6 hours
[2025-07-17T22:36:55Z] <kris_> to sleep another hour or two probably
[2025-07-17T22:36:57Z] <EliSoli> asimov
[2025-07-17T22:37:03Z] <EliSoli> where's asimov my beloved
[2025-07-17T22:37:09Z] <sewn> I ate him
[2025-07-17T22:37:17Z] <EliSoli> >:( don't!
[2025-07-17T22:37:21Z] <EliSoli> be belongs to me
[2025-07-17T22:37:21Z] <sewn> well too late
[2025-07-17T22:37:27Z] <sewn> oh you did bad job
[2025-07-17T22:37:27Z] <kris_> the problem is that i had to spend the night somewhere that isnt my house like night before last
[2025-07-17T22:37:34Z] <kris_> i already cant fall asleep easily in my own bed
[2025-07-17T22:37:38Z] <kris_> let alone at someone elses house
[2025-07-17T22:37:54Z] <kris_> well rested kris_ would be wild i bet
[2025-07-17T22:37:57Z] <midfavila> diphenhydramine is cheap and OTC
[2025-07-17T22:38:04Z] <kris_> ..benadryl?
[2025-07-17T22:38:09Z] <midfavila> same shit they put in nyquil and shit yeah
[2025-07-17T22:38:30Z] <kris_> i used to take it sometimes to knock myself out but it made me start sleepwalking
[2025-07-17T22:38:34Z] <sewn> well rested kris_ is me
[2025-07-17T22:38:36Z] <midfavila> i get like a three month supply of no-name diphenhydramine from the local pharmacy for like 12$
[2025-07-17T22:38:41Z] <kris_> it also causes dementia with long term use, so
[2025-07-17T22:38:44Z] <kris_> cant rely on that
[2025-07-17T22:38:49Z] <kris_> unless you're cool w brain rotting
[2025-07-17T22:38:52Z] <midfavila> if you're like fucking ancient and use it every night, sure
[2025-07-17T22:39:08Z] <midfavila> if you use it on-label instead of experimenting on yourself it's fine
[2025-07-17T22:39:11Z] <kris_> weed works fine ive just not gone and got my med card yet
[2025-07-17T22:39:17Z] <kris_> not that i need a med card because it's legal i just want to
[2025-07-17T22:39:20Z] <kris_> tax free:tm:
[2025-07-17T22:39:29Z] <midfavila> i wish the government would allow pharmacies to sell cbd capsules
[2025-07-17T22:39:40Z] <kris_> cbd doesnt do anything for me
[2025-07-17T22:39:44Z] <midfavila> i would prefer to use cbd as a sleep aid but pharmacists can't stock anything related to cannabis
[2025-07-17T22:39:54Z] <kris_> you can get cbd damn near anywhere here
[2025-07-17T22:39:59Z] <kris_> because it's like the least psychoactive thing on earth
[2025-07-17T22:40:02Z] <midfavila> only specially licenced cannabis stores can, and they inevitably just use medical stuff as an excuse 
[2025-07-17T22:40:05Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-07-17T22:40:06Z] <midfavila> that's why
[2025-07-17T22:40:09Z] <midfavila> see
[2025-07-17T22:40:30Z] <midfavila> all the cannabis dispensaries here are like
[2025-07-17T22:40:37Z] <midfavila> "dude weeeeeed huhuhuhuhuhuhuh"
[2025-07-17T22:40:44Z] <midfavila> which, whatever, but i don't want thc
[2025-07-17T22:40:48Z] <midfavila> i don't even want marijuana
[2025-07-17T22:40:58Z] <kris_> i'm definitely after the thc
[2025-07-17T22:40:58Z] <midfavila> and i definitely don't want fucking flintstones gummies
[2025-07-17T22:41:16Z] <kris_> one of like 4 substances i have any respect for
[2025-07-17T22:41:17Z] <midfavila> i want cbd isolate in a gel capsule the same as other meds
[2025-07-17T22:41:24Z] <kris_> gives me an appetite, gives me the ability to fall asleep in like 10 minutes
[2025-07-17T22:41:28Z] <kris_> resets my mood
[2025-07-17T22:41:35Z] <midfavila> because i don't want to fucking meet the creator or whatever i just want to go to bed
[2025-07-17T22:41:54Z] <kris_> weed is not going to = meet the creator
[2025-07-17T22:42:02Z] <midfavila> it's called hyperbole
[2025-07-17T22:42:06Z] <kris_> most people get unbelievably braindead insanity levels of high because they're buying like 99% concentrate and huffing it
[2025-07-17T22:42:17Z] <kris_> normal flower does not rock people that badly
[2025-07-17T22:42:22Z] <kris_> this concentrate garbage is so bad
[2025-07-17T22:42:28Z] <midfavila> yeah i know
[2025-07-17T22:42:33Z] <midfavila> that's why i hate the fucking
[2025-07-17T22:42:36Z] <midfavila> muh muh natural medicine
[2025-07-17T22:42:37Z] <midfavila> crowd
[2025-07-17T22:42:43Z] <midfavila> because 99/100 times it's just a proxy 
[2025-07-17T22:42:46Z] <kris_> muh natural medicine = i just want to get fucked up
[2025-07-17T22:42:50Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-17T22:42:50Z] <kris_> almost every time i hear it
[2025-07-17T22:42:51Z] <midfavila> literally
[2025-07-17T22:43:12Z] <midfavila> i have not met a single person, even people who had med cards before it was legalised, who wanted CBD
[2025-07-17T22:43:16Z] <midfavila> all they want is THC
[2025-07-17T22:43:24Z] <midfavila> which, you know what, whatever, sure, 
[2025-07-17T22:43:26Z] <midfavila> but be honest
[2025-07-17T22:43:27Z] <kris_> i wanted and still want CBD
[2025-07-17T22:43:31Z] <kris_> just not on its own
[2025-07-17T22:43:33Z] <midfavila> just say you wanna get high
[2025-07-17T22:43:35Z] <midfavila> it's fine
[2025-07-17T22:43:39Z] <midfavila> insofar as like
[2025-07-17T22:43:41Z] <kris_> CBD doesn't do anything on its own at all but it prevents you from getting *too* stoned
[2025-07-17T22:43:41Z] <midfavila> getting drunk is
[2025-07-17T22:43:43Z] <kris_> as weird as that is
[2025-07-17T22:43:48Z] <kris_> like you can take cbd and it kills the weed high
[2025-07-17T22:43:52Z] <kris_> thc high*
[2025-07-17T22:43:54Z] <midfavila> well, it's a thc agonist or w/e
[2025-07-17T22:44:07Z] <midfavila> same shit with theanine taking the edge off caffeine in tea and shit
[2025-07-17T22:44:18Z] <kris_> thing is you get some flower and it's like 20% or lower thc and the rest is various other stuff, notably CBD
[2025-07-17T22:44:25Z] <kris_> so you smoke it and you're not like braindead levels of inoperable
[2025-07-17T22:44:30Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-07-17T22:44:34Z] <kris_> 99% thc purely on its own is nuts
[2025-07-17T22:44:37Z] <midfavila> cbd shows promise as a sleep aid
[2025-07-17T22:44:43Z] <midfavila> which is the only reason i want it
[2025-07-17T22:44:51Z] <kris_> ive only vaped it idk if it would have more effect if i ate it
[2025-07-17T22:44:56Z] <kris_> cbd i mean
[2025-07-17T22:45:07Z] <midfavila> i'm not getting a vape, i like to keep lead and shit out of my lungs tyvm
[2025-07-17T22:45:12Z] * midfavila turns his nose up
[2025-07-17T22:45:13Z] <kris_> im not suggesting you do
[2025-07-17T22:45:21Z] <midfavila> there's enough lead in the water around here anyway
[2025-07-17T22:45:24Z] <midfavila> i need to get a filter
[2025-07-17T22:45:44Z] <kris_> i just drink the tap water here straight up
[2025-07-17T22:45:50Z] <kris_> in my hometown it wasnt something id be willing to consume
[2025-07-17T22:45:54Z] <kris_> it just tasted like chlorine
[2025-07-17T22:46:05Z] <kris_> up here its pretty clean actually theres no real reason to get bottled water
[2025-07-17T22:46:13Z] <kris_> i get to skip on the microplatics too lol
[2025-07-17T22:46:21Z] <midfavila> there's no wrong taste here, the city just hasnt replaced its old lead pipes in certain districts
[2025-07-17T22:46:24Z] <midfavila> because, go fucking figure,
[2025-07-17T22:46:36Z] <midfavila> they offloaded the cost of pipes leading *off* the mains onto homeowners
[2025-07-17T22:46:40Z] <midfavila> which is *bullshit*
[2025-07-17T22:46:42Z] <midfavila> like *NO*
[2025-07-17T22:46:48Z] <midfavila> you need to fucking *FIX THAT*
[2025-07-17T22:46:59Z] <midfavila> unless you want to have your citizens drinking leaded water
[2025-07-17T22:47:13Z] <midfavila> i guess it just comes down to personal responsibility 
[2025-07-17T22:47:15Z] <midfavila> again
[2025-07-17T22:47:16Z] <midfavila> ofc
[2025-07-17T22:47:19Z] <EliSoli> Im back
[2025-07-17T22:47:19Z] <midfavila> typical mid
[2025-07-17T22:47:21Z] <midfavila> wb
[2025-07-17T22:47:23Z] <EliSoli> wheres sewn
[2025-07-17T22:47:30Z] <midfavila> gone
[2025-07-17T22:47:31Z] <midfavila> vanished
[2025-07-17T22:47:34Z] <midfavila> obliviated 
[2025-07-17T22:47:37Z] <midfavila> part of the void now
[2025-07-17T22:47:46Z] <midfavila> i wonder if that's even a word
[2025-07-17T22:47:55Z] <kris_> i don't know if i'm like an asshole for this but it makes me cringe just unbelievably hard when people smoke weed 24/7 because they wanna "get fucked up"
[2025-07-17T22:48:01Z] <kris_> it's kind of offensive to me because that shit enables me to eat
[2025-07-17T22:48:06Z] <kris_> i don't know if that makes any sense
[2025-07-17T22:48:10Z] <midfavila> it's extremely offensive, yes
[2025-07-17T22:48:25Z] <midfavila> it's similar to me and people going off about medical marijuana and then only buying THC blends
[2025-07-17T22:48:30Z] <kris_> obviously being stoned feels great but i just dont like the "fuck yeah lets party and get turnt" or whatever mindset
[2025-07-17T22:48:37Z] <EliSoli> kris_ what?
[2025-07-17T22:48:39Z] <midfavila> i'm the *only* person i've *ever* met who *only* wants CBD
[2025-07-17T22:48:42Z] <EliSoli> what's the topic? weed?
[2025-07-17T22:48:44Z] <EliSoli> what
[2025-07-17T22:48:45Z] <kris_> mhm
[2025-07-17T22:48:46Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-07-17T22:48:49Z] <kris_> yeah i dont know
[2025-07-17T22:48:58Z] <kris_> i would get just regular flower but itll make my fathers throat close up, he's super allergic to it
[2025-07-17T22:49:07Z] <kris_> the only safe options for me are edibles and concentrates to vape
[2025-07-17T22:49:10Z] <midfavila> honestly, gonna be real
[2025-07-17T22:49:16Z] <midfavila> prohibition needs to be a thing
[2025-07-17T22:49:19Z] <midfavila> like i know it's not practical 
[2025-07-17T22:49:25Z] <kris_> edibles are hit/miss for me because they're rarely well mixed
[2025-07-17T22:49:31Z] <midfavila> but from a moral perspective that shit needs to be rationed
[2025-07-17T22:49:32Z] <kris_> ive accidentally taken over a gram of THC at one point via an edible
[2025-07-17T22:49:34Z] <kris_> that was not a good time
[2025-07-17T22:49:35Z] <midfavila> at the very least
[2025-07-17T22:49:46Z] <midfavila> because people aren't capable of regulating their relationship with substances 
[2025-07-17T22:49:57Z] <kris_> someone needs to do a study on me
[2025-07-17T22:49:57Z] <sewn> legend of equestria fucking sucks
[2025-07-17T22:50:05Z] <midfavila> MY LITTLE SEWN
[2025-07-17T22:50:06Z] <kris_> because i can smoke like once or twice per week and all of my issues are gone for the entire week
[2025-07-17T22:50:09Z] <midfavila> MY LITTLE SEEEEEEEWWWWN
[2025-07-17T22:50:14Z] <kris_> it's not just while i'm stoned, it lasts like forever after it
[2025-07-17T22:50:28Z] <sewn> hi mid .w.
[2025-07-17T22:50:37Z] <midfavila> >equestria
[2025-07-17T22:50:42Z] <midfavila> that was intended to be like
[2025-07-17T22:50:45Z] <kris_> i'm too tired to want to do anything right now :|
[2025-07-17T22:50:47Z] <midfavila> in the tone of the- you know what, never mind
[2025-07-17T22:50:58Z] <sewn> I know :3
[2025-07-17T22:51:05Z] <kris_> i guess i dont really have anything to do right now anyway because all of my server shit is pretty much done
[2025-07-17T22:51:05Z] <sewn> it doesn't work because it doesn't rhyyme
[2025-07-17T22:51:08Z] <midfavila> honestly the worst
[2025-07-17T22:51:11Z] <kris_> tinyramfs support for my installer ig
[2025-07-17T22:51:12Z] <sewn> kris_: what happened
[2025-07-17T22:51:14Z] <midfavila> friendship ended with sewn
[2025-07-17T22:51:16Z] <kris_> but im gonna just play factorio
[2025-07-17T22:51:22Z] <kris_> sewn: what happened with what
[2025-07-17T22:51:22Z] <midfavila> kris_ best friend now
[2025-07-17T22:51:31Z] <sewn> sounds about right
[2025-07-17T22:51:45Z] <sewn> kris_: nvm I misread
[2025-07-17T22:51:53Z] <midfavila> honestly i just need cbd for my fucking anxiety
[2025-07-17T22:52:10Z] <sewn> you don't look like you have anxiety
[2025-07-17T22:52:14Z] <midfavila> there's nothing OTC that helps much with anxiety that doesn't do so by making me pass out
[2025-07-17T22:52:20Z] <kris_> ive been trying to get my mother to smoke for a few years now
[2025-07-17T22:52:23Z] <midfavila> sewn i am running on nothing but nervous energy and caffeine 
[2025-07-17T22:52:25Z] <kris_> she has the same problems i do 
[2025-07-17T22:52:34Z] <sewn> WHAT
[2025-07-17T22:52:38Z] <kris_> though she found some sort of something dietary supplement that knocks her the fuck out
[2025-07-17T22:52:44Z] <kris_> i forget what its called hold on
[2025-07-17T22:52:47Z] <midfavila> inb4 magnesium
[2025-07-17T22:52:50Z] <sewn> I hate you I hate you I hate you kris
[2025-07-17T22:53:01Z] <kris_> LMAO
[2025-07-17T22:53:04Z] <kris_> magnesium glycinate
[2025-07-17T22:53:09Z] <midfavila> wait i was right
[2025-07-17T22:53:10Z] <kris_> she takes 200mg and falls asleep within 30 minutes
[2025-07-17T22:53:10Z] <kris_> it's insane
[2025-07-17T22:53:20Z] <kris_> i need to try it out because she has literally the same problem i do
[2025-07-17T22:53:22Z] <midfavila> yeah uh most people are magnesium deficient in canada and america
[2025-07-17T22:53:27Z] <midfavila> that's a known fact
[2025-07-17T22:53:38Z] <midfavila> because we're all amerilards that live off freedom fries and liberty shakes
[2025-07-17T22:53:44Z] <midfavila> with zero nutritional value
[2025-07-17T22:53:52Z] <kris_> for whatever reason ive noticed that i operate 2000x better if i eat specifically chicken
[2025-07-17T22:53:59Z] <kris_> within 2 hours after eating it my brain is just so actively alert
[2025-07-17T22:54:02Z] <midfavila> it's a lean protein
[2025-07-17T22:54:18Z] <kris_> wish it tasted good
[2025-07-17T22:54:21Z] <midfavila> >american discovers that protein is good for you
[2025-07-17T22:54:25Z] <midfavila> wdym it doesn't taste good
[2025-07-17T22:54:28Z] <midfavila> chicken slaps
[2025-07-17T22:54:33Z] <kris_> it doesnt taste like fucking anything
[2025-07-17T22:54:35Z] <midfavila> you just aren't cooking it right
[2025-07-17T22:54:36Z] <kris_> i also can't taste any steak
[2025-07-17T22:54:37Z] <kris_> hamburger meat
[2025-07-17T22:54:38Z] <kris_> etc
[2025-07-17T22:54:41Z] <kris_> like literally just cannot taste them
[2025-07-17T22:54:42Z] <midfavila> no, tofu doesn't taste like anything
[2025-07-17T22:54:49Z] <midfavila> like uncooked tofu
[2025-07-17T22:54:52Z] <midfavila> you have to fry it up 
[2025-07-17T22:55:00Z] <midfavila> with some veggies and a little sauce and some spices and shit
[2025-07-17T22:55:07Z] <midfavila> adoy
[2025-07-17T22:55:07Z] <kris_> and the whole "you're not cooking it right" thing is just inaccurate
[2025-07-17T22:55:10Z] <kris_> for some reason i just cant taste it
[2025-07-17T22:55:15Z] <midfavila> vape
[2025-07-17T22:55:15Z] <kris_> i also can't smell very many things so i figure that's related
[2025-07-17T22:55:16Z] <midfavila> inb4
[2025-07-17T22:55:22Z] <midfavila> brb gotta pack up for the bus
[2025-07-17T22:55:23Z] <midfavila> end of the day
[2025-07-17T22:55:27Z] <kris_> ttyl
[2025-07-17T22:55:37Z] <kris_> sewn: why hate me :c
[2025-07-17T22:55:55Z] <sewn> I fucking hate smokers
[2025-07-17T22:56:06Z] <kris_> i'm not a smoker
[2025-07-17T22:56:12Z] <kris_> i havent had a cigarette in ages
[2025-07-17T22:56:29Z] <sewn> still hate you anyway
[2025-07-17T23:32:35Z] <kris_> the industrial revolution
[2025-07-17T23:32:38Z] <kris_> (factorio)
[2025-07-17T23:39:35Z] <EliSoli> was ninja removed from kiss repos?
[2025-07-17T23:40:46Z] <phoebos> we use samurai
[2025-07-17T23:41:09Z] <EliSoli> -.-
[2025-07-17T23:41:20Z] <EliSoli> why was it removed?