[2025-07-30T00:13:42Z] <midfavila> oksh is also fine
[2025-07-30T00:13:44Z] <midfavila> it just werks
[2025-07-30T00:13:57Z] <midfavila> i've considered trying to wrap dash in editline though
[2025-07-30T00:14:06Z] <kris_> dash just sucks
[2025-07-30T00:14:10Z] <midfavila> dash is fine
[2025-07-30T00:14:24Z] <kris_> for scripts and whatnot 
[2025-07-30T00:14:35Z] <midfavila> the only thing missing from dash is line editing
[2025-07-30T00:14:35Z] <kris_> drives me insane to use it interactively
[2025-07-30T00:14:37Z] <midfavila> hence editline
[2025-07-30T00:14:58Z] <kris_> also missing command history
[2025-07-30T00:15:02Z] <kris_> but that may be solvable somehow idk
[2025-07-30T00:15:02Z] <midfavila> editline
[2025-07-30T00:15:06Z] <kris_> mayhaps
[2025-07-30T00:15:10Z] <midfavila> no mayhaps
[2025-07-30T00:15:13Z] <midfavila> that's literally what editline does
[2025-07-30T00:15:16Z] <kris_> i say mayhaps because i have no idea
[2025-07-30T00:15:19Z] <midfavila> i do
[2025-07-30T00:15:20Z] <kris_> "i concur"
[2025-07-30T00:15:22Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-30T00:15:33Z] * midfavila puts kris_ back on the top shelf
[2025-07-30T00:15:40Z] <kris_> honestly so far there's very little notable difference between oksh and bash
[2025-07-30T00:15:54Z] <kris_> just sucks less and in my heart that makes me cozier
[2025-07-30T00:16:17Z] <midfavila> i need to work around literally one package in my entire setup that requires bash
[2025-07-30T00:16:20Z] <midfavila> net-tools
[2025-07-30T00:16:32Z] <midfavila> which provides ifconfig/route/arp/etc
[2025-07-30T00:16:41Z] <midfavila> :\
[2025-07-30T00:16:48Z] <kris_> i have a handful of things that do
[2025-07-30T00:16:54Z] <kris_> pass, xbps-src, and xtools
[2025-07-30T00:17:02Z] <midfavila> >pass requires bash
[2025-07-30T00:17:03Z] <midfavila> explain
[2025-07-30T00:17:04Z] <midfavila> now
[2025-07-30T00:17:05Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-07-30T00:17:08Z] <kris_> it just does idfk
[2025-07-30T00:17:09Z] <midfavila> since when
[2025-07-30T00:17:38Z] <kris_> legitimately do not know, its been that way since i started using it
[2025-07-30T00:17:51Z] <kris_> even shebanged #!/usr/bin/env bash
[2025-07-30T00:18:25Z] <midfavila> extraordinarily cringe
[2025-07-30T00:18:37Z] <midfavila> >"the standard unix password manager"
[2025-07-30T00:18:39Z] <midfavila> >uses bash
[2025-07-30T00:18:44Z] <midfavila> vomit emoji.jpeg
[2025-07-30T00:20:04Z] <kris_> no better options.wav
[2025-07-30T00:20:14Z] <midfavila> text file 
[2025-07-30T00:20:18Z] <midfavila> w/ crypt
[2025-07-30T00:20:36Z] <kris_> its a pretty smol script
[2025-07-30T00:20:39Z] <kris_> maybe it wouldnt be too much work to patch it
[2025-07-30T00:21:31Z] <kris_> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pash
[2025-07-30T00:21:34Z] <kris_> TIL this exists
[2025-07-30T00:21:43Z] <midfavila> oh shit i forgot about pash
[2025-07-30T00:21:47Z] <midfavila> dylan saves the day once again
[2025-07-30T00:22:44Z] <kris_> doesnt solve needing xtools though so
[2025-07-30T00:22:48Z] <kris_> and xbps-src
[2025-07-30T00:22:52Z] <kris_> for me anyway
[2025-07-30T00:25:15Z] <midfavila> ugh now i remember why i stopped working on my computer for the last bit
[2025-07-30T00:25:26Z] <midfavila> i need to figure out how the hell i'm going to glue together everything i need for IM
[2025-07-30T00:26:17Z] <midfavila> bitlbee, ii, some sort of ii frontend
[2025-07-30T00:26:27Z] <midfavila> pile of libpurple plugins 
[2025-07-30T00:26:31Z] * midfavila wrinkles his nose
[2025-07-30T00:26:36Z] <midfavila> muh minimalism
[2025-07-30T00:26:39Z] <midfavila> blegh
[2025-07-30T00:26:45Z] * kris_ setting up go and compiling senpai
[2025-07-30T00:26:53Z] <midfavila> >go
[2025-07-30T00:26:57Z] <midfavila> go away
[2025-07-30T00:27:00Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-07-30T00:27:14Z] <kris_> i will comply
[2025-07-30T00:27:16Z] <kris_> only to play more cs
[2025-07-30T00:27:20Z] <midfavila> no wait
[2025-07-30T00:27:22Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-07-30T00:27:27Z] <midfavila> do NOT the game
[2025-07-30T00:27:58Z] <kris_> too late 
[2025-07-30T00:28:00Z] <kris_> and also ur fault
[2025-07-30T00:28:44Z] <kris_> midfavila: oh you're gonna be real mad at me when you find out i signed up for a subscription music service
[2025-07-30T00:28:58Z] <kris_> (they have no DRM)
[2025-07-30T00:42:16Z] <midfavila> stop enabling rent-seeking behaviour
[2025-07-30T00:42:18Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-07-30T00:42:27Z] <midfavila> the only time you're allowed to do that is if it's a cooperative
[2025-07-30T00:43:30Z] <midfavila> man i wish that canada would build more row houses
[2025-07-30T00:43:36Z] <midfavila> i would love a little townhouse...
[2025-07-30T01:14:41Z] <kris_> midfavila: they have no drm and real cd quality flacs unlike most others
[2025-07-30T01:14:49Z] <kris_> so i just pay $6/month for primarily reason 1
[2025-07-30T01:47:38Z] <midfavila> invidious also doesn't have drm
[2025-07-30T01:47:46Z] * midfavila sniffs
[2025-07-30T02:21:40Z] <kris_> invidious also doesn't have flacs
[2025-07-30T04:06:51Z] <midfavila> god
[2025-07-30T04:06:59Z] <midfavila> i'm getting emails about how great generative ai is now
[2025-07-30T04:07:04Z] <midfavila> i hate this timeline so much
[2025-07-30T04:08:44Z] <midfavila> iS gEnErAtIvE aI aDdInG vAlUe To YoUr Hr???
[2025-07-30T13:55:35Z] <kiedtl> well yes, if hr people are getting fired
[2025-07-30T14:30:44Z] <EliSoli> Hey people
[2025-07-30T14:30:53Z] <nath> sup
[2025-07-30T14:31:43Z] <midfavila> kiedtl: that's a funny joke until the AI that filters your CV for fucking keywords passes it off to an AI that doesn't know how many 'r's are in the word strawberry 
[2025-07-30T14:32:00Z] <midfavila> people are actually going to be hurt because of this insanity
[2025-07-30T14:33:22Z] <midfavila> not to mention we're seeing an ever-increasing use of AI in warfare and governance...
[2025-07-30T14:33:41Z] <nath> FFS this shit is not ready for personal use and fucking governments are using it
[2025-07-30T14:33:45Z] <nath> holy hell
[2025-07-30T14:33:52Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-07-30T14:34:11Z] <midfavila> the canadian government (that's my country!!!!!!!!!!!!!) has a man in charge who campaigned on replacing the public service in large part with AI
[2025-07-30T14:34:28Z] <midfavila> i can't FUCKING WAIT to have the tax agency replace all its eggheads with chatgpt
[2025-07-30T14:34:31Z] <nath> things lookin kinda bad everywhere to be real
[2025-07-30T14:34:56Z] <midfavila> the various surveillance and censure laws being passed around the world right now aren't great either
[2025-07-30T14:35:03Z] <midfavila> esp considering AI tends to be involved in enforcement 
[2025-07-30T14:35:12Z] <midfavila> ex. the UK and discord
[2025-07-30T14:35:13Z] <nath> petition to repeal OSA in uk reached 450k signatures though which is halfway to the 1mil necessary to bypass the fuckers who have completely disregarded it
[2025-07-30T14:35:27Z] <midfavila> nath: nobody fucking cares what regular people think
[2025-07-30T14:35:36Z] <midfavila> we live in an oligarchic kleptocracy 
[2025-07-30T14:35:46Z] <midfavila> the influence of the regular people over their government is almost nil
[2025-07-30T14:35:48Z] <nath> i call it a boring simulation of 1984
[2025-07-30T14:36:12Z] * midfavila sighs, rubs temples
[2025-07-30T14:36:18Z] <midfavila> georgio orwellion 1963
[2025-07-30T14:36:19Z] <nath> how do you do that lol
[2025-07-30T14:36:30Z] <midfavila> use /me <your stuff here>
[2025-07-30T14:36:31Z] * nath figured out how to do it nevermind
[2025-07-30T14:36:42Z] <nath> thx
[2025-07-30T14:36:53Z] <midfavila> not to mention the americans are building literal fucking concentration camps to own the libs or whatever
[2025-07-30T14:36:57Z] <midfavila> jesus christ we are so fucked
[2025-07-30T14:36:58Z] <nath> jesus fuck
[2025-07-30T14:37:16Z] <midfavila> can't wait for america to descend into irrelevance 
[2025-07-30T14:37:23Z] <nath> they already are
[2025-07-30T14:37:28Z] <nath> probably
[2025-07-30T14:37:29Z] <midfavila> unfortunately not
[2025-07-30T14:37:47Z] <midfavila> there's something like 900 or so foreign military bases in the world and almost all of them are american
[2025-07-30T14:38:05Z] <midfavila> a fraction are french or british but they have overseas territories 
[2025-07-30T14:38:14Z] <midfavila> there are a handful of others as well i think
[2025-07-30T14:38:20Z] <midfavila> but basically all of them are american
[2025-07-30T14:38:24Z] <nath> yup
[2025-07-30T14:38:38Z] <midfavila> not to mention america has nukes and the utter temerity required to use them
[2025-07-30T14:38:41Z] <midfavila> ...on civilians
[2025-07-30T14:38:43Z] <midfavila> ...twice
[2025-07-30T14:38:49Z] <midfavila> ...after they had already surrendered 
[2025-07-30T14:38:57Z] <nath> .-.
[2025-07-30T14:39:12Z] <nath> that was kinda fucked up and we all know it at this point
[2025-07-30T14:39:24Z] <midfavila> and yet people still defend it
[2025-07-30T14:39:28Z] <midfavila> because america good
[2025-07-30T14:39:30Z] <midfavila> :tm:
[2025-07-30T14:39:36Z] <nath> muh freedoms
[2025-07-30T14:39:41Z] <midfavila> muh democracies
[2025-07-30T14:39:59Z] <midfavila> >meanwhile america hasn't even fucking outlawed slavery yet
[2025-07-30T14:40:37Z] <nath> and they also voted against like everyone else in UN to make food a right
[2025-07-30T14:40:45Z] <nath> it was them and one other country i dont know which one
[2025-07-30T14:40:48Z] <midfavila> yeah them and israel
[2025-07-30T14:40:51Z] <midfavila> isn'treal
[2025-07-30T14:41:19Z] <midfavila> go fucking figure that the genocidal colonists currently starving hundreds of thousands of people voted against it
[2025-07-30T14:41:28Z] <nath> go fucking figure
[2025-07-30T14:42:53Z] <nath> well uh
[2025-07-30T14:42:54Z] <nath> now what
[2025-07-30T14:43:14Z] <midfavila> now we descend into global fascism and climate catastrophe while wringing our hands and sending hopes and prayers
[2025-07-30T14:43:17Z] <midfavila> same as fucking always
[2025-07-30T14:43:28Z] <nath> yup
[2025-07-30T14:43:31Z] * midfavila dies
[2025-07-30T14:43:45Z] * nath really fucking dies
[2025-07-30T14:43:59Z] <nath> this channel is basically anything but kiss linux at this point LOL
[2025-07-30T14:44:22Z] <midfavila> tbf we do computer shit too it's just slow sometimes
[2025-07-30T14:45:04Z] <nath> i havent really been up to much really, just got a system working with bore cpu scheduler which is what cachyos uses
[2025-07-30T14:45:22Z] <midfavila> oh?
[2025-07-30T14:45:27Z] <nath> yeah its not that hard really
[2025-07-30T14:45:31Z] <midfavila> yeah i know
[2025-07-30T14:45:38Z] <midfavila> i've just never fiddled with alternate schedulers
[2025-07-30T14:45:39Z] <nath> maintainer on g*thub just provides .patch files
[2025-07-30T14:46:00Z] <nath> i honestly don't notice the difference most of the time but if one is better than the other options then i might as well use it
[2025-07-30T14:46:36Z] <midfavila> >patch has a rootkit in it
[2025-07-30T14:47:13Z] <nath> > buh
[2025-07-30T14:47:18Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-30T14:49:30Z] <nath> so like
[2025-07-30T14:49:44Z] <nath> ive been on lua for a while but i was thinking of learning c or asm is it worth it
[2025-07-30T14:50:16Z] <midfavila> C is probably a good idea 
[2025-07-30T14:50:27Z] <midfavila> on account of it being sort of a lingua franca
[2025-07-30T14:50:34Z] <nath> yeah its pretty common
[2025-07-30T14:50:48Z] <nath> but with how many languages are trying to replace it i feel like it wouldnt be worth it in the long run
[2025-07-30T14:51:00Z] <nath> i have actually done a bit of assembler before as well
[2025-07-30T14:51:04Z] <nath> nasm specifically
[2025-07-30T14:52:25Z] <nath> and on the topic of lua im convinced it completely fucking outclasses python in everyway
[2025-07-30T14:53:02Z] <thomas_adam> In the same way that prolog outclasses groff?
[2025-07-30T14:53:16Z] <nath> i have no idea what prolog is
[2025-07-30T14:53:24Z] <nath> groff sounds familiar though
[2025-07-30T14:53:42Z] <midfavila> typesetting language. prolog is a logic programming language.
[2025-07-30T14:53:48Z] <midfavila> point is apples to oranges
[2025-07-30T14:53:53Z] <nath> o
[2025-07-30T14:54:15Z] <midfavila> brb
[2025-07-30T15:32:39Z] <midfavila> man i love seafood so much
[2025-07-30T15:32:52Z] <midfavila> forgot to make an actual breakfast so i'm having a tuna sandwch
[2025-07-30T15:32:57Z] <midfavila> w/ mayo and mustard
[2025-07-30T15:36:12Z] <sewn> midfavila: why
[2025-07-30T15:36:13Z] <sewn> why mustard
[2025-07-30T15:36:16Z] <sewn> why not just mayo
[2025-07-30T15:36:18Z] <sewn> tuna and mayo is so good
[2025-07-30T15:36:29Z] <sewn> but add in mustard now it tastes rotten
[2025-07-30T15:36:43Z] <midfavila> If you get shitty mustard maybe
[2025-07-30T15:36:53Z] <midfavila> like heinz or w/e
[2025-07-30T15:37:10Z] <midfavila> but a nice dijon is mmmmmmmmm~
[2025-07-30T15:45:17Z] <sewn> o.o
[2025-07-30T16:56:01Z] <kissy> silly question but realized after a year-old install i never removed the ISO i installed on! was i supposed to? i literally have no idea where to look for it if so
[2025-07-30T16:58:10Z] <kissy> as in, wasn't live because had problems with arch and coreboot so had to install
[2025-07-30T17:03:31Z] <kissy> oh nevermind someone on reddit did the same as u were xx
[2025-07-30T17:45:14Z] <sewn> what
[2025-07-30T17:46:06Z] <midfavila> "i am fourteen and what is this" 
[2025-07-30T17:46:07Z] <midfavila> -sewn
[2025-07-30T17:48:37Z] <sewn> WHAT
[2025-07-30T17:48:42Z] <sewn> I HAVE BEEN HERE FOR THAT LONG?
[2025-07-30T17:48:44Z] <sewn> holy shit
[2025-07-30T17:49:16Z] <midfavila> actually yeah i guess you have
[2025-07-30T17:49:17Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-07-30T17:49:22Z] <midfavila> you're like what 19 now
[2025-07-30T17:49:23Z] <midfavila> ?
[2025-07-30T17:49:35Z] <midfavila> so yeah that's like around that mark
[2025-07-30T17:49:59Z] <sewn> i am seventeen and youre wrong
[2025-07-30T17:51:14Z] <midfavila> baby
[2025-07-30T17:51:16Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2025-07-30T18:46:40Z] <ccc> h