[2025-09-05T03:44:49Z] <midfavila> new boots arrived!
[2025-09-05T03:45:03Z] <midfavila> nice eleven-eye full-grain derbies from solovair
[2025-09-05T03:45:13Z] <midfavila> replacing some high-shines in the same style
[2025-09-05T03:45:24Z] <midfavila> these ones are much sturdier and break in in a matter of hours, big suggest
[2025-09-05T11:18:18Z] <sewn> yiep
[2025-09-05T11:18:19Z] <sewn> e
[2025-09-05T12:39:35Z] <sad_plan> what boots did you get midfavila?
[2025-09-05T16:06:52Z] <midfavila> sad_plan1: same model as i did last, just a different material
[2025-09-05T16:07:01Z] <midfavila> eleven-eye solovair derbies, in full-grain 
[2025-09-05T16:07:08Z] <midfavila> these are much sturdier
[2025-09-05T16:10:09Z] <sad_plan1> I see. im eying some really old swedish army boots. supposedly people claim theire built like tanks
[2025-09-05T16:11:48Z] <midfavila> no doubt
[2025-09-05T16:15:16Z] <sad_plan1> theyre from the 40s and up to the 70s, or 80s I think, so theyre really old, but from the looks of it, that doesnt seem to matter too much. sturdy leather boots. some of them even has rubber on the bottom part of the boot, for really foul weather :p
[2025-09-05T16:16:19Z] <sad_plan1> maybe not neccessary for regular use, but if youre in the woods a lot, it might come in handy.
[2025-09-05T16:32:17Z] <midfavila> eh, good boots are worth it in general
[2025-09-05T16:32:36Z] <midfavila> unrelated, been seeing so many people online talk about "micro" apartments and it's driving me insane
[2025-09-05T16:32:54Z] <midfavila> "look at this *teeny tiny microscopic* >500 square foot apartment"
[2025-09-05T16:33:15Z] <midfavila> that's literally a normal size
[2025-09-05T16:33:22Z] <midfavila> small is like, 200
[2025-09-05T16:33:32Z] <midfavila> "micro" would be like, half that
[2025-09-05T16:34:14Z] <sad_plan> my other boots dont hold water out anymore, so new boots is now neccessary I suppose. ive been eyeing couple others aswell, which isnt waterresistant at all, but instead quickdrying. I cant make up my mind which one I want. gore-tex boots takes forever to dry..
[2025-09-05T16:34:31Z] <sad_plan> lol, micro appartments is supposed to be cheap. so when theyre expensive, theyre missing the point
[2025-09-05T16:34:40Z] <midfavila> that too
[2025-09-05T16:34:55Z] <midfavila> i remember in fredericton i saw some listings for new microsuites that were about 140sqft
[2025-09-05T16:35:06Z] <midfavila> and they were like, 300$ apparently
[2025-09-05T16:35:07Z] <midfavila> all in
[2025-09-05T16:35:13Z] <sad_plan> also unrelated, I cant for the life of me get yaic to work properly. the ii frontend cemkeylan made a few years ago. switching channels doesnt work. have you tried any of the frontends mid?
[2025-09-05T16:35:16Z] <midfavila> i thought that was pretty sweet since they were centrally located
[2025-09-05T16:35:23Z] <midfavila> and then i saw it was >300 per week
[2025-09-05T16:35:33Z] <midfavila> also no i haven't tried any frontends
[2025-09-05T16:35:40Z] <midfavila> i unironically use mtm and tee 
[2025-09-05T16:35:49Z] <midfavila> and some shell aliases 
[2025-09-05T16:36:00Z] <midfavila> at least when i use ii locally
[2025-09-05T16:36:28Z] <sad_plan> re appartment: you done goofed appearantly. renting should be cheap imo
[2025-09-05T16:36:33Z] <sad_plan> hm, and if youre using it remotely?
[2025-09-05T16:37:01Z] <midfavila> irssi 
[2025-09-05T16:37:08Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2025-09-05T16:37:12Z] <midfavila> i've been using irssi under tmux on sdf for ages now
[2025-09-05T16:37:14Z] <midfavila> just werks
[2025-09-05T16:37:25Z] <midfavila> and no i just left the city i was in lol
[2025-09-05T16:37:47Z] <sad_plan> I suppose so. weechat works for me on tilde.club aswell, but I kinda want something simpler
[2025-09-05T16:37:47Z] <midfavila> the problem is that nobody here builds tenements or blocks of flats 
[2025-09-05T16:37:51Z] <midfavila> in like, a significant capacity
[2025-09-05T16:37:57Z] <midfavila> because they "ruin the character of the neighbourhood"
[2025-09-05T16:38:04Z] <midfavila> and "bring down property prices"
[2025-09-05T16:38:36Z] <sad_plan> is it false though?
[2025-09-05T16:38:40Z] <midfavila> meaning everyone ends up renting from some fucking boomers with a basement suite for more than a mortgage would cost every month because the bank thought them too insecure
[2025-09-05T16:38:43Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-09-05T16:38:46Z] <midfavila> it isn't
[2025-09-05T16:38:48Z] <midfavila> what's wrong is thinking that's a bad thing
[2025-09-05T16:38:56Z] <midfavila> property prices for residential use *should* bel ow
[2025-09-05T16:38:59Z] <midfavila> be low*
[2025-09-05T16:39:12Z] <midfavila> the use of housing as an investment vehicle should be punishable by jail time
[2025-09-05T16:39:39Z] <sad_plan> I dont disagree, but if you have this fancy house somewhere, and your neighbour all of a sudden builds this massive block, wont that bring down the price of your house? I atleast assumes it does
[2025-09-05T16:39:46Z] <midfavila> that doesn't happen
[2025-09-05T16:39:55Z] <midfavila> like
[2025-09-05T16:39:56Z] <midfavila> if it did
[2025-09-05T16:39:58Z] <midfavila> it would
[2025-09-05T16:40:00Z] <midfavila> but it doesn't
[2025-09-05T16:40:03Z] <midfavila> because it's a rich district
[2025-09-05T16:40:09Z] <midfavila> rich districts get special treatment 
[2025-09-05T16:40:20Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-09-05T16:40:27Z] <midfavila> but also, again, i literally don't care
[2025-09-05T16:40:30Z] <sad_plan1> these are actually fairly cheap, but yes:q
[2025-09-05T16:40:39Z] <sad_plan1> feck
[2025-09-05T16:40:45Z] <midfavila> the value of your house shouldn't matter unless you're speculating
[2025-09-05T16:40:55Z] <sad_plan> fucking yaic.
[2025-09-05T16:41:03Z] <midfavila> rip
[2025-09-05T16:41:15Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk frankly the state should guarantee housing for its citizens
[2025-09-05T16:41:26Z] <sad_plan> anyway, houseprices only matter if youre buying/selling really imo
[2025-09-05T16:41:30Z] <midfavila> the only thing i should have to give to get shelter is my social insurance number
[2025-09-05T16:41:37Z] <midfavila> at least the basics
[2025-09-05T16:41:47Z] <midfavila> like literally all i want is civvie barracks
[2025-09-05T16:41:53Z] <midfavila> i've lived in the barracks before, they're fine
[2025-09-05T16:42:02Z] <midfavila> >bed
[2025-09-05T16:42:03Z] <midfavila> >desk
[2025-09-05T16:42:07Z] <midfavila> >kit box
[2025-09-05T16:42:10Z] <midfavila> all you need
[2025-09-05T16:42:26Z] <sad_plan> when you say housing, do you mean a house, or an appartment, or just roof over your head?
[2025-09-05T16:42:37Z] <midfavila> i mean a roof and four walls and a door that locks 
[2025-09-05T16:42:52Z] <midfavila> that you don't have to shar
[2025-09-05T16:42:52Z] <midfavila> e
[2025-09-05T16:43:12Z] <sad_plan> does it have to lock your things aswell? :P I mean, technically, slapping 30 people inside a barracks building would technically fulfill *roof over your head*
[2025-09-05T16:43:17Z] <sad_plan> sounds army like though lol
[2025-09-05T16:43:26Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2025-09-05T16:43:31Z] <midfavila> yes, that's what i'm talking about
[2025-09-05T16:43:38Z] <midfavila> i've lived in the army's barracks before
[2025-09-05T16:43:40Z] <midfavila> they're fine
[2025-09-05T16:43:59Z] <midfavila> i'm not saying that should be the ceiling, that should just be the floor
[2025-09-05T16:44:26Z] <sad_plan> and youre saying that would fullfill what you imply the state should guarantee? pretty sure people would set the bar a bit higher than a common sleeping area though
[2025-09-05T16:44:38Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2025-09-05T16:44:42Z] <midfavila> canada literally doesn't have social housing in most areas
[2025-09-05T16:44:59Z] <sad_plan> isnt homeless shelters something like this? just a bed really, maybe a locker or something for your shit?
[2025-09-05T16:44:59Z] <midfavila> people in my region outright believe that if you freeze to death because you can't afford shelter you deserve it
[2025-09-05T16:45:03Z] <midfavila> no
[2025-09-05T16:45:04Z] <midfavila> also
[2025-09-05T16:45:07Z] <midfavila> we don't have many
[2025-09-05T16:45:17Z] <midfavila> my city has a homelessness crisis worse than toronto's, per capita
[2025-09-05T16:45:24Z] <midfavila> like, by multiple times
[2025-09-05T16:45:32Z] <sad_plan> damn, thats cold. unironically. about the freezing to death part I mean
[2025-09-05T16:45:42Z] <midfavila> yeah -50 to -60C does that
[2025-09-05T16:45:52Z] <midfavila> fortunately it's cold enough that you don't feel it
[2025-09-05T16:46:00Z] <midfavila> :')
[2025-09-05T16:46:06Z] <sad_plan> no wonder. but saying you deserve it is cold man
[2025-09-05T16:46:18Z] <midfavila> that's western canada for you
[2025-09-05T16:46:39Z] <midfavila> people are still in this stupid fucking "pioneer" "rough and tough" "big manly man man" mindset and it's the most ridiculous thing
[2025-09-05T16:47:03Z] <sad_plan> I agree.
[2025-09-05T16:47:09Z] <midfavila> there was a news report about people burning down a church's food pantry for the poor because it was "attracting crime", aka loitering while poor
[2025-09-05T16:47:18Z] <sad_plan> luckily thats not a thing here 
[2025-09-05T16:47:26Z] <midfavila> and every time the city or province tries to build a new shelter there are massive protests against it
[2025-09-05T16:47:28Z] <sad_plan> wtf
[2025-09-05T16:47:38Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-09-05T16:47:47Z] <midfavila> it was like, a 24-hour community pantry
[2025-09-05T16:47:58Z] <midfavila> kind of like those little libraries but for canned food
[2025-09-05T16:48:00Z] <midfavila> and similar
[2025-09-05T16:48:16Z] <midfavila> so people would just leave what they had too much of and then you could come along and take what you needed and it kind of just worked
[2025-09-05T16:48:18Z] <sad_plan> sounds like some goverment shit. use milions on creating spikes and wierd benches, to avoid homeless people being there, and make loitering illigal, now the homeless isnt seen. problem solved
[2025-09-05T16:48:25Z] <midfavila> oh we do that too
[2025-09-05T16:48:43Z] <midfavila> we have too few shelters and too little security personnel at them so people are having to camp outside in the winter
[2025-09-05T16:48:57Z] <midfavila> so they shelter under the city's bridges and sometimes have to light campfires so they don't, you know, fucking die
[2025-09-05T16:49:11Z] <midfavila> and instead of fixing the cause of that behaviour the city just put up fences and spikes
[2025-09-05T16:49:23Z] <sad_plan> I know. its been seen many places now, so this isnt just happening in US/canada either. its happening around europe aswell, atleast in bigger cities
[2025-09-05T16:49:30Z] <midfavila> yeah, i've seen
[2025-09-05T16:49:41Z] <midfavila> they've been going around here with the benches too
[2025-09-05T16:50:01Z] <midfavila> ripping out the older-style flat ones and replacing them with ones with curved seats and a bunch of "armrests" that are too low to actually be useful
[2025-09-05T16:50:16Z] <midfavila> so you can't lay on them or even sit on them for very long
[2025-09-05T16:51:11Z] <midfavila> we have to rely a lot on the starvation army to offer basic services to low-income people here because the local authorities are totally incompetent at best and overtly and intentionally malicious at worst
[2025-09-05T16:51:33Z] <midfavila> and of course the SA has a long history of taking advantage of their clients and treating them like shit
[2025-09-05T16:54:39Z] <sad_plan> not supprised, unfortunatly
[2025-09-05T16:55:40Z] <midfavila> it's just pathetic 
[2025-09-05T16:56:12Z] <midfavila> one of the richest countries in the history of the world and we can't guarantee our residents food, shelter, medicine, and education
[2025-09-05T16:56:23Z] <midfavila> fuck we can't even do that for our military
[2025-09-05T16:57:02Z] <midfavila> there were reports on the CBC about new army recruits finishing basic, expecting to be issued a barrack and rations and stuff, and instead their CO told them to go to the food bank and habitat for humanity 
[2025-09-05T16:57:05Z] <sad_plan> theres capitalism for you for sure...
[2025-09-05T16:57:29Z] <midfavila> actually, the town i used to live in near fredericton ran out of food because army recruits ended up having to use it so much
[2025-09-05T16:57:30Z] <sad_plan> they what? for real? 
[2025-09-05T16:57:35Z] <midfavila> the food bank in that town, i mean
[2025-09-05T16:57:36Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-09-05T16:57:37Z] <midfavila> for real
[2025-09-05T16:57:50Z] <midfavila> we literally do not have beds, boots, or beans for our soldiers
[2025-09-05T16:57:58Z] <sad_plan> holy shit. so youre in the army, but youre basically homeless now. damn
[2025-09-05T16:58:10Z] <midfavila> if you want to join the army now you can't lmao
[2025-09-05T16:58:18Z] <midfavila> there's a multi-year waitlist because they don't have enough clerks 
[2025-09-05T16:58:30Z] <sad_plan> how is even canada still running at this point really
[2025-09-05T16:58:36Z] <midfavila> bold to assume it is
[2025-09-05T16:58:54Z] <sad_plan> appearantly it is, because people are still there
[2025-09-05T16:58:59Z] <midfavila> not willingly
[2025-09-05T16:59:11Z] <sad_plan> touche
[2025-09-05T16:59:15Z] <midfavila> anyone who can leave is, pretty much, unless they're lucky and have a good job
[2025-09-05T16:59:47Z] <sad_plan> in which case they can just relax and watch the chaos from a distance, while sipping their coffee
[2025-09-05T16:59:50Z] <midfavila> like i've said ad nauseam, if i had citizenship claims in another country i would be gone so fast you wouldn't even know
[2025-09-05T16:59:59Z] <midfavila> but unfortunately trudeau senior fucked that up 
[2025-09-05T17:00:04Z] <midfavila> thanks trudeau
[2025-09-05T17:00:27Z] <midfavila> not only did you leave the empire you gave us trudeau junior
[2025-09-05T17:00:48Z] * midfavila grumbles
[2025-09-05T17:01:02Z] <midfavila> speaking of coffee, my tea just finished
[2025-09-05T17:08:16Z] <sad_plan> you could always apply for citizenship elsewhere though.
[2025-09-05T17:08:43Z] <midfavila> i've looked, pff. no chance. 
[2025-09-05T17:08:48Z] <midfavila> i don't qualify.
[2025-09-05T17:08:53Z] <midfavila> not even for a work permit. not right now.
[2025-09-05T17:09:11Z] <midfavila> i'm hoping once i have more experience and certifications i'll be able to get something in one of the english-speaking european countries.
[2025-09-05T17:10:54Z] <sad_plan> where have you looked? how do you know you dont qualify at all?
[2025-09-05T17:12:02Z] <midfavila> the UK and ireland. the uk's immigration process is pretty tough atm. i could go on a working holiday visa but that doesn't count towards residency. ireland would be a little easier (and have a much stronger passport), but still requires a pretty tough to get work visa
[2025-09-05T17:12:21Z] <midfavila> if i worked on my french a little bit i might be able to pull off france i guess
[2025-09-05T17:12:34Z] <sad_plan> how about norway, sweden, denmark? hell finnland too
[2025-09-05T17:13:19Z] <midfavila> presumably i would need to learn a nordic language, which would be harder than french for me
[2025-09-05T17:13:33Z] <midfavila> beyond that, at the very least, denmark has insane naturalisation requirements
[2025-09-05T17:13:47Z] <midfavila> something like ten or fifteen years residency before you can be considered
[2025-09-05T17:13:50Z] <sad_plan> most people speak english here pretty good, so not speaking norwegian, swedish or danish would not be much of an issue really
[2025-09-05T17:14:14Z] <sad_plan> silly denmark. but im not supprised really
[2025-09-05T17:14:17Z] <midfavila> well, ignoring that i would feel rude not learning the local language, it's also a matter of getting residency or citizenship
[2025-09-05T17:14:31Z] <midfavila> do you not need to speak the official language(s) fluently for residency there?
[2025-09-05T17:15:13Z] <sad_plan> not saying you shouldnt learn the language, im just saying the bar is lower for communicating than elsewhere. like france, which says fuck you to every english speaker in existance which happens upon their contry
[2025-09-05T17:15:38Z] <midfavila> yeah but i'm from the maritimes
[2025-09-05T17:15:40Z] <sad_plan> I dont belive so. lots of people here ouright refuse to learn norwegian
[2025-09-05T17:15:41Z] <midfavila> we like french people there
[2025-09-05T17:15:42Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-09-05T17:15:51Z] <midfavila> new brunswick is the only bilingual province in the country even
[2025-09-05T17:16:28Z] <midfavila> norvegian
[2025-09-05T17:16:34Z] <midfavila> i guess i'll have to peek
[2025-09-05T17:16:43Z] <sad_plan> you do that
[2025-09-05T17:16:58Z] <sad_plan> maybe we can come visit each other lol
[2025-09-05T17:17:10Z] <midfavila> maybe
[2025-09-05T17:17:19Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa there's an alternate timeline where canada was in the eu
[2025-09-05T17:17:22Z] <midfavila> fucking hell
[2025-09-05T17:17:31Z] <midfavila> we were so close to not having a shitty passport 
[2025-09-05T17:17:59Z] <midfavila> i would even settle for the EEA qwq
[2025-09-05T17:24:12Z] <midfavila> three years on a work permit plus A2-level norwegian and a salary of around 45kCAD would be the minimum reqs
[2025-09-05T17:25:58Z] <midfavila> sweden is four years on a work permit, but they're going to introduce an A2 requirement in 2027, apparently
[2025-09-05T17:27:43Z] <sad_plan> doesnt sound too bad
[2025-09-05T17:27:47Z] <midfavila> finland is the same
[2025-09-05T17:27:53Z] <midfavila> the problem is the language barrier
[2025-09-05T17:28:05Z] <midfavila> it's hard enough to learn french here because outside of quebec and rural new brunswick nobody really uses it
[2025-09-05T17:28:16Z] <midfavila> canada is only bilingual in theory
[2025-09-05T17:28:54Z] <midfavila> then again maybe i'm overestimating the challenge
[2025-09-05T17:29:22Z] <sad_plan> english and norwegian/swedish/danish comes from the same language family, so is generally not too hard to learn. finnish however iirc, is much harder
[2025-09-05T17:29:37Z] <sad_plan> people do say norwegian is hard to learn, but what do I know
[2025-09-05T17:29:58Z] <sad_plan> I do think norwegian is a stupid language at times, because I find it lacking in words at times, but maybe I just suck at norwegian
[2025-09-05T17:30:08Z] <midfavila> to be fair english is also an incredibly stupid language
[2025-09-05T17:30:18Z] <midfavila> most of english is just stolen from other languages lol
[2025-09-05T17:31:00Z] <sad_plan> norwegian steals from others aswell. german, french, englsh and so on.
[2025-09-05T17:31:23Z] <midfavila> does norwegian have grammatical gender
[2025-09-05T17:31:27Z] <midfavila> that's going to trip me up
[2025-09-05T17:31:53Z] <midfavila> fuck, it does
[2025-09-05T17:36:28Z] <midfavila> oh apparently it's a category one though. that's not too bad
[2025-09-05T17:41:19Z] <midfavila> man i should have gone to school to be a locksmith or something instead of IT
[2025-09-05T17:50:37Z] <sad_plan> yes it does. some things are he/she related in terms of what word to use for them. its not difficult at all really. its like a and an instead. 
[2025-09-05T17:51:05Z] <sad_plan> I dunno about locksmith/IT man, locksmiths arent too many of here, and IT is still growing. I think theres few jobs related to locksmithing really
[2025-09-05T18:16:52Z] <nath> gooday chat
[2025-09-05T18:17:54Z] <sad_plan> hello nath
[2025-09-05T18:22:34Z] <nath> has corectrl been packaged by anyone i was going to package it
[2025-09-05T18:24:42Z] <nath> sup fultilt
[2025-09-05T18:28:01Z] <sad_plan> nath: not to my knowledge. checked kiss-find, and its not listed. so unlikely
[2025-09-05T18:29:19Z] <nath> aight
[2025-09-05T18:29:29Z] <nath> never packaged anything for kiss but ig ill let this be a learning opportunity a a a
[2025-09-05T18:29:55Z] <nath> literally the only thing i need to daily drive kiss cuz i play a lot of games (on a vega card which is nigh unusable without an undervolt)
[2025-09-05T18:30:00Z] <midfavila> nath it's really easy
[2025-09-05T18:30:04Z] <nath> yah i know
[2025-09-05T18:30:22Z] <midfavila> :+1:
[2025-09-05T18:30:34Z] <nath> pretty much just link to source, include sums and dependencies and then a build script
[2025-09-05T18:30:36Z] <nath> then profit
[2025-09-05T18:30:40Z] <nath> right?
[2025-09-05T18:30:56Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2025-09-05T18:31:12Z] <sad_plan> easy peasy
[2025-09-05T18:31:14Z] <nath> aight
[2025-09-05T18:31:21Z] <nath> i actually gotta get a kiss instance running first LOL
[2025-09-05T18:31:36Z] <nath> ive had to settle for arch not proud of it but it works for now :3
[2025-09-05T18:32:57Z] <midfavila> just untar a root filesystem and chroot into it with the included kiss-chroot script
[2025-09-05T18:32:57Z] <sad_plan> if it works, it works
[2025-09-05T18:33:25Z] <sad_plan> ^as root also. else permissions gets messed up
[2025-09-05T18:33:43Z] <sad_plan> could probably just chmod it also though
[2025-09-05T18:34:28Z] <nath> i literally just fired up a VM but this seems much easier
[2025-09-05T18:35:47Z] <nath> random topic change but does anyone use lefty mouse? i keep forgetting to change my binds to match lol
[2025-09-05T18:37:28Z] <sad_plan> a kiss install is easy peasy, aslong as you got a grip on your hardware, so the kernel isnt being a massive hurdle
[2025-09-05T18:37:40Z] <nath> yeah ive installed kiss before
[2025-09-05T18:37:40Z] <sad_plan> regarding leftie mouse, not that im aware for anyway
[2025-09-05T18:37:53Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I remember your name from earlier
[2025-09-05T18:37:56Z] <nath> ive been VERYYY close to being able to daily drive im just working out packaging stuff now
[2025-09-05T18:39:12Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2025-09-05T18:40:55Z] <nath> and ik x11 kinda violates kiss linux principle but is the kiss-xorg repo still maintained
[2025-09-05T18:41:08Z] <nath> i was going to just bring over my dwm config or try to learn stumpwm
[2025-09-05T18:42:12Z] <nath> wayland mostly works but some things like shiftlock are quite buggy
[2025-09-05T18:42:18Z] <sad_plan> x is fine. and yes, it does still recieve updates last time I checked
[2025-09-05T18:42:22Z] <nath> nice
[2025-09-05T18:48:52Z] <nath> i would probably package LACT instead because its more modern and better maintained but its systemshit dependent..
[2025-09-05T18:48:52Z] <nath> at least i think it is
[2025-09-05T18:49:08Z] <nath> could also try tuxclocker, just checked on corectrl gitlab and its in maintenance mode
[2025-09-05T18:50:15Z] <nath> oh shit tuxclocker gives binaries thats convenient
[2025-09-05T18:51:24Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2025-09-05T18:52:27Z] <nath> source would still be better thou
[2025-09-05T18:52:50Z] <nath> tc uses db*s which ik is packaged
[2025-09-05T18:53:08Z] <nath> do i just assume anyone trying to use my build already has the db*s repo fired up or is there something else i could do
[2025-09-05T18:55:13Z] <sad_plan> fuck, how am I suppose to debug a script written in a similar manner like kiss? meaning running with a main() function called at the bottom. running /bin/sh -v just prints the whole damn script, but no output... so I cant get a grip on why its failing to change channels..
[2025-09-05T18:55:25Z] <sad_plan> im debugging yaic that is
[2025-09-05T18:55:44Z] <sad_plan> https://github.com/cemkeylan/yaic for those unfamiliar
[2025-09-05T20:34:59Z] <phoebos> sad_plan: you mean sh -x?
[2025-09-05T21:06:05Z] <evahasarrived> i keep repeating it in my head and giggling to myself
[2025-09-05T21:06:15Z] <evahasarrived> even after i slept he's still on about socks
[2025-09-05T21:46:37Z] <midfavila> evahasarrived why is that so entertaining lol
[2025-09-05T22:03:37Z] <sad_plan> phoebos: I thought about -x aswell, but its not listed in bash's manpage. ill have another look
[2025-09-05T22:06:56Z] <sad_plan> it does appear to support it after all
[2025-09-05T23:00:16Z] <dery> yea -x ftw
[2025-09-05T23:06:32Z] <sad_plan> yeah, ive used -x a lot when scripting in rc aswell. really handy. was just confused about it seeing as the server runs bash as /bin/sh...
[2025-09-05T23:06:56Z] <sad_plan> and I couldnt see -x in the manpage when checked.
[2025-09-05T23:07:14Z] <sad_plan> obviously it does support it, but bash manpage is a monstrosity to say the least