[2025-09-23T16:44:01Z] <sad_plan> asimov: yes. just use conty :p
[2025-09-23T16:45:53Z] <asimov> not what i mean
[2025-09-23T16:45:59Z] <asimov> i mean natively on kiss
[2025-09-23T16:51:06Z] <midfavila> brobrobrobrobro
[2025-09-23T16:51:13Z] <midfavila> BROBROBROBROBRO
[2025-09-23T16:51:22Z] <midfavila> I TOLD YOU ABOUT THE KOTLINS BRO I WARNED YOU
[2025-09-23T16:52:01Z] <midfavila> there's not really any way to do anything on kiss aside from the way you make yourself 
[2025-09-23T16:54:45Z] <midfavila> the local pharmacy's british import section just got these sticky puddings in and they're kind of shit
[2025-09-23T16:54:54Z] <midfavila> i'd never had that kind before, the microwave cadbury ones
[2025-09-23T16:55:02Z] <midfavila> figured i'd give 'em a shot but they barely taste like anything :c
[2025-09-23T17:06:15Z] <sad_plan> asimov: doesnt it require android studio? if so, no thats not possible, unless you mean to fiddle A LOT with it, because its incompatible with musl. 
[2025-09-23T17:06:35Z] <sad_plan> although, gkiss would in this case work. assuming you can get it to build properly
[2025-09-23T17:08:10Z] <sad_plan> so I say again, just use conty, and save yourself all the trouble
[2025-09-23T17:32:42Z] <midfavila> https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6913099
[2025-09-23T17:32:46Z] <midfavila> i'm going to have a stroke
[2025-09-23T17:32:49Z] <midfavila> istg
[2025-09-23T18:00:17Z] <phinxy> Hi. A handful of docker programs function well, some are xwayland and others wayland native, both Pipewire and Pulse sockets available and works. Problem is with Audacity/Tenacity, it can't find any audio device. I think I need to investigate how to get JACK working.
[2025-09-23T18:30:00Z] <asimov> sad_plan: i mean you could use gradle or kotlin compile all in cli
[2025-09-23T18:31:03Z] <asimov> is that not possible?
[2025-09-23T18:46:01Z] <sad_plan> I dont see why thats not possible? in any case, conty can launch guis, so thats irrelevant anyway
[2025-09-23T18:46:24Z] <sad_plan> iirc, apps are built using cli anyway. or you can use either really
[2025-09-23T18:47:25Z] <asimov> so how can i connect my android device in kiss to use as a phone for build the apps?
[2025-09-23T18:48:23Z] <midfavila> android bad
[2025-09-23T18:48:24Z] <sad_plan> your android phone is irrelevant to building kotlin apps. in any case, theres still adb. iirc, its available through android-tools in community
[2025-09-23T18:48:25Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-09-23T18:49:04Z] <sad_plan> youre just mad because you can afford the new ixel 10 pro with all the AI midfavila 
[2025-09-23T18:50:11Z] <midfavila> i'm PERFETLY HAPPY with my barely functional arduino voip phone THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[2025-09-23T18:50:15Z] <midfavila> you can keep your slop sad_plan 
[2025-09-23T18:50:33Z] <sad_plan> lol. what kind of phone is that even?
[2025-09-23T18:51:10Z] <midfavila> the wiphone
[2025-09-23T18:51:11Z] <midfavila> uwu
[2025-09-23T18:52:30Z] <midfavila> i would get a punkt mp02 but they don't function on 4g and apparently the build quality and quality control are iffy
[2025-09-23T18:52:40Z] <sad_plan> ah, right. you mentioned that one. thought you were really just eying it when you mentioned it
[2025-09-23T18:52:47Z] <sad_plan> my memory must be incorrect
[2025-09-23T18:52:53Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-09-23T18:53:19Z] <sad_plan> doesnt the wiphone suffice for your needs?
[2025-09-23T18:53:46Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-09-23T18:53:48Z] <midfavila> :3
[2025-09-23T18:55:15Z] <sad_plan> ah right. i remember this phone now. it had all the modules aswell to expand its capability. neat
[2025-09-23T18:55:54Z] <midfavila> i feel like between the reform, uconsole, wiphone, and the half dozen tools i carry around to fix all this shit i won't be getting past airport security any time soon lol
[2025-09-23T18:56:18Z] <sad_plan> lol, what kind of tools do you carry?
[2025-09-23T18:56:44Z] <sad_plan> ive heard some people gotten past tsa with screw drivers, but others has not, so it seems to be a bit hit or miss
[2025-09-23T18:56:55Z] <midfavila> nothing too crazy tbqh, at least atm
[2025-09-23T18:57:30Z] <sad_plan> i was after specifics, I wasnt trying to make a joke here. mostly curious
[2025-09-23T18:57:37Z] <midfavila> set of allen keys, my multitool (knife, chisel, wire stripper, prybar, can opener, whatever), a quarter-bit driver
[2025-09-23T18:57:56Z] <sad_plan> neat
[2025-09-23T18:58:00Z] <midfavila> i've seen some folding digital calipers that would be neat. there have been a few times i've needed some
[2025-09-23T18:58:08Z] <midfavila> i want to get a dremel:TM: too 
[2025-09-23T18:58:24Z] <midfavila> admittedly, mostly to like, cut flathead slots into seized screws
[2025-09-23T18:58:33Z] <midfavila> but still
[2025-09-23T18:59:37Z] <sad_plan> pretty sure you can pocketable dremels these days
[2025-09-23T18:59:42Z] <sad_plan> depending on your pocket perhaps
[2025-09-23T19:01:31Z] <sad_plan> I have seen adds for some ealrier, but have no clue wether theyre any good for cutting. aand theyre not from dremel
[2025-09-23T19:01:42Z] <midfavila> dremel has a compact model now
[2025-09-23T19:01:49Z] <midfavila> it's battery powered i think
[2025-09-23T19:01:58Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2025-09-23T19:03:03Z] <sad_plan> yeo, dremel lite it seems to be called. ~$50 on amazong. usd that is
[2025-09-23T19:03:12Z] <sad_plan> found it on amazon
[2025-09-23T19:03:13Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-09-23T19:04:44Z] <midfavila> there are some other tools i need too. i want to get a manual sewing machine and one of those ifixit all-in-one toolkits
[2025-09-23T19:05:10Z] <midfavila> thinking i might try doing small repairs on the side while i'm at work since it's pretty slow most days
[2025-09-23T19:05:39Z] <sad_plan> hm. ive been looking at some of those ifixit kits, and some of them seem really nice, but I very rearly work with anything that I would be using their tools for. and if I were, I already got the tools for it
[2025-09-23T19:06:34Z] <sad_plan> what exacly is the difference between the wiphone pro and non-pro? describtion doesnt clearly state it. or im just blind
[2025-09-23T19:06:47Z] <midfavila> chassis material 
[2025-09-23T19:06:51Z] <midfavila> one of alu, one is pc
[2025-09-23T19:06:54Z] <sad_plan> right
[2025-09-23T19:07:35Z] <sad_plan> hm, not overly convinced about 8 hours of batterylife though. with a phone with so few functions, one would think it would last longer
[2025-09-23T19:08:16Z] <midfavila> fwiw it's more a portable desktop phone, for me
[2025-09-23T19:08:43Z] <midfavila> you can only use it when it's got a wifi connection and if you've got wifi you've probably also got a USB port somewhere you can plug it into
[2025-09-23T19:08:46Z] <midfavila> so
[2025-09-23T19:08:49Z] <midfavila> :P
[2025-09-23T19:09:00Z] <sad_plan> what is your usecase with it? appart from calls/text that is
[2025-09-23T19:09:04Z] <sad_plan> touche
[2025-09-23T19:09:58Z] <sad_plan> oh, I didn realize how thick it was, lol
[2025-09-23T19:12:27Z] <midfavila> it's literally just calls and texts
[2025-09-23T19:12:51Z] <midfavila> it's, like, a phone
[2025-09-23T19:12:52Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-09-23T19:13:00Z] <midfavila> >usecase: phone
[2025-09-23T19:13:06Z] <sad_plan> so a phone then, not portable desktop phone. which implies other usecases aswell :p
[2025-09-23T19:13:17Z] <midfavila> does it
[2025-09-23T19:13:28Z] <midfavila> because i have two (2) desktop phones for my job and they also only do phone things lol
[2025-09-23T19:13:51Z] <sad_plan> but its just a phone, it only does phone things, not desktop things
[2025-09-23T19:14:09Z] <midfavila> i meant like
[2025-09-23T19:14:10Z] <midfavila> a phone
[2025-09-23T19:14:15Z] <midfavila> on the top of my desk
[2025-09-23T19:14:38Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2025-09-23T19:15:23Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-09-23T19:16:05Z] <sad_plan> im curious as to why they even bothered to mae the 2g addon though. seeing as 2g is going away soon
[2025-09-23T19:17:14Z] <midfavila> it's common in some regions still
[2025-09-23T19:17:26Z] <midfavila> also the wiphone is like 10yo
[2025-09-23T19:17:39Z] <sad_plan> maybe it is. we still have 2g around here, but i know its going away in the not too distant future
[2025-09-23T19:17:41Z] <sad_plan> oh, right
[2025-09-23T19:18:17Z] <midfavila> yeh
[2025-09-23T19:18:30Z] <sad_plan> i do like the rc cat addon though
[2025-09-23T19:18:33Z] <sad_plan> that actually pretty wild
[2025-09-23T19:19:41Z] <midfavila> it's so funny mlol
[2025-09-23T19:19:47Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2025-09-23T19:19:47Z] <midfavila> i love stupid shit like that
[2025-09-23T19:20:03Z] <midfavila> like i found these little valve caps for my bike that are literally just UFOs
[2025-09-23T19:20:08Z] <midfavila> that just makes me giggle
[2025-09-23T19:24:09Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2025-09-23T19:27:40Z] <midfavila> oh shidd
[2025-09-23T19:27:42Z] <midfavila> it the dilyn
[2025-09-23T19:27:48Z] <dilyn> kalj: your problems sounds like SCSI not being supported right by your kernel
[2025-09-23T19:27:50Z] <dilyn> it may do be like me 
[2025-09-23T19:28:10Z] <midfavila> better watch out it's the big man coming through
[2025-09-23T19:28:11Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2025-09-23T19:28:26Z] <dilyn> :v
[2025-09-23T19:28:45Z] * midfavila does the tuba thing
[2025-09-23T19:29:04Z] <sad_plan> how goes it dilyn? its been some time now
[2025-09-23T19:29:28Z] <dilyn> it goes. work has been keeping me busy
[2025-09-23T19:29:39Z] <dilyn> finally got around to deciding on an irc client
[2025-09-23T19:29:50Z] <sad_plan> which one did you choose?
[2025-09-23T19:29:53Z] <midfavila> writing your own in mips pa-risc assembly
[2025-09-23T19:29:56Z] <midfavila> mips or*
[2025-09-23T19:30:15Z] <dilyn> glirc for now
[2025-09-23T19:30:20Z] <sad_plan> if its not one you wrote in rc, im going to be disappointed
[2025-09-23T19:30:24Z] <sad_plan> never even heard of it
[2025-09-23T19:30:37Z] <dilyn> some weird tui client. it's okay 
[2025-09-23T19:30:39Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87yJvnDGSFA
[2025-09-23T19:30:47Z] <dilyn> probably go back to jj when i returneth to kiss
[2025-09-23T19:31:00Z] <midfavila> wtf why are you doing a freebsd
[2025-09-23T19:31:06Z] <midfavila> you can't be bdfl of kiss and not use kiss
[2025-09-23T19:31:07Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-09-23T19:31:31Z] <sad_plan> ohcourse, haskell stuff
[2025-09-23T19:31:39Z] <sad_plan> jj sounds nice. its ii, but.. i dunno, better?
[2025-09-23T19:31:55Z] <dilyn> gotta support folx in the community!
[2025-09-23T19:31:58Z] <sad_plan> never tried jj specifically, but been trying to use yaic which cem made, but never got it properly working...
[2025-09-23T19:32:07Z] <sad_plan> but the community only likes C :c
[2025-09-23T19:32:12Z] <sad_plan> not haskell
[2025-09-23T19:32:16Z] <dilyn> haskell overrated
[2025-09-23T19:32:23Z] <midfavila> this is a forth chat now
[2025-09-23T19:32:29Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2025-09-23T19:33:15Z] <sad_plan> omg, it even uses cabal
[2025-09-23T19:35:01Z] <sad_plan> mm, jj doesnt have tls/ssl now does it dilyn
[2025-09-23T19:35:06Z] <midfavila> stunnel 
[2025-09-23T19:35:07Z] <midfavila> nerd
[2025-09-23T19:35:08Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-09-23T19:35:09Z] <sad_plan> well, sure
[2025-09-23T19:35:14Z] <sad_plan> os s6-networking
[2025-09-23T19:35:16Z] <midfavila> or patch it to use libtls
[2025-09-23T19:35:16Z] <sad_plan> or
[2025-09-23T19:35:19Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2025-09-23T19:35:36Z] <sad_plan> ii tls patch does not work with libtls-bearssl though
[2025-09-23T19:35:38Z] <sad_plan> which is sad
[2025-09-23T19:35:53Z] <sad_plan> i didnt look much into why though, I just know it doesnt, because I got undefined references
[2025-09-23T19:35:56Z] <dilyn> who needs tls
[2025-09-23T19:36:04Z] <dilyn> go to a bouncer you host and have it tls 
[2025-09-23T19:36:10Z] <sad_plan> anyone who does not like to communicate using cleartext
[2025-09-23T19:36:13Z] <sad_plan> jj doesnt support bouncers
[2025-09-23T19:36:20Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: is the libtls bearssl implementation buggy do you know?
[2025-09-23T19:36:30Z] <dilyn> f
[2025-09-23T19:36:34Z] <midfavila> last time i was fiddling with it i swear to god i couldn't get it to work 
[2025-09-23T19:36:43Z] <midfavila> same code worked as expected with libressl libtls
[2025-09-23T19:36:53Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: i dont belive it is. i couldnt find the issue at a quick glance, and didnt really care too much about it to figure it out. 
[2025-09-23T19:37:07Z] <midfavila> rip 
[2025-09-23T19:37:08Z] <midfavila> fair
[2025-09-23T19:37:20Z] <sad_plan> probably works fine with libressl, but not libtls-bearssl
[2025-09-23T19:37:21Z] <midfavila> i'll have to give programming another shot here at some point but aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa i haven't touched it in like two years
[2025-09-23T19:37:47Z] <sad_plan> might look more into it later, but im not too keen on spending much time on it, only to not be statisfied with the result in the end
[2025-09-23T19:38:06Z] <sad_plan> you should. and so should I
[2025-09-23T19:39:07Z] <sad_plan> i had a good run, and then.. tv series from dc and marvel exists, and now im probably going to watch those shows a few years before I eventually make through them. arrowverse alone has 830 episodes
[2025-09-23T19:39:30Z] <sad_plan> according to my calculations, im probably going to be watching arrowverse stuff untill after next summer. lol
[2025-09-23T19:39:31Z] <midfavila> >you're a consoomer
[2025-09-23T19:39:34Z] <midfavila> friendship ended
[2025-09-23T19:39:38Z] <midfavila> >:c
[2025-09-23T19:39:39Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2025-09-23T19:39:44Z] <sad_plan> but I like dc and marvel stuff
[2025-09-23T19:39:56Z] <sad_plan> i mostly only watch it at work though
[2025-09-23T19:40:00Z] <sad_plan> at home i do other things
[2025-09-23T19:40:09Z] <midfavila> how many funko pops do you have on the shelf
[2025-09-23T19:40:15Z] <sad_plan> 0
[2025-09-23T19:40:19Z] <midfavila> don't lie
[2025-09-23T19:40:21Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-09-23T19:40:23Z] <sad_plan> 0
[2025-09-23T19:40:33Z] <sad_plan> not lying
[2025-09-23T19:40:37Z] <sad_plan> dead serious
[2025-09-23T19:41:12Z] <sad_plan> i even had to think about what that even was for a few seconds, but I recall seeing those stupid figures in the store. its those small figures with large heads, yes?
[2025-09-23T19:41:22Z] <midfavila> yes lmao
[2025-09-23T19:41:27Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2025-09-23T19:42:55Z] <sad_plan> in all seriousness, i dont actually have any. im reluctant to buy anything I dont actually need. im even reluctant to buy things i want, simply by the fact that I have something at home that works. like my laptop, which I wanna switch out for the mnt reform next. oor maybe the framework, but its so boring in comparisson
[2025-09-23T19:44:18Z] <midfavila> do one of the reformmmmmmms
[2025-09-23T20:03:05Z] <sad_plan> i wannnaaaaa. i even want the pocket reform. its so cute. but im not overly convinced about the screensize realy. 7" is really small tbqh. i did however have a tablet in tat exact size a while back. had a nexus 7. which was decent actually
[2025-09-23T20:04:54Z] <sad_plan> maybe after christmas. but seeing as the reform next start shipping maybe january, maybe ill just hold of untill thats actually released and first iteration gets ironed out in terms of issues
[2025-09-23T20:05:38Z] <sad_plan> finally, work day is over
[2025-09-23T20:05:42Z] * sad_plan heads home
[2025-09-23T20:06:02Z] <midfavila> the mini is nice conceptually but i have fat thumbs so the keeb is too small for me
[2025-09-23T20:06:05Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-09-23T20:06:38Z] <midfavila> i feel like 7" ish is a bit too small overall for laptops 
[2025-09-23T20:06:48Z] <midfavila> i think it was panasonic that made a 10" notebook 
[2025-09-23T20:06:56Z] <midfavila> 10" is a perfect size for a subcompact
[2025-09-23T20:07:26Z] <midfavila> of course, that's just my opinion = w=
[2025-09-23T20:21:20Z] <sewn> meow
[2025-09-23T20:24:05Z] <midfavila> baa
[2025-09-23T21:24:37Z] <sad_plan> i dont belive i would have any issues with the keyboard, but yeah, screen is suboptimal for sure. would be better if the screen actually filled more of the bezel tbqh
[2025-09-23T21:24:53Z] <sad_plan> appart from that, I have no real issues with the design
[2025-09-23T21:57:22Z] <midfavila> ye it's good overall
[2025-09-23T21:57:29Z] <midfavila> speaking of designs i just found something crazy
[2025-09-23T21:57:30Z] <midfavila> a fuckin
[2025-09-23T21:57:49Z] <midfavila> internally geared *crankset* for bikes made in germany
[2025-09-23T21:58:01Z] <midfavila> it's like, a gearbox, in your bottom bracket
[2025-09-23T21:58:10Z] <midfavila> with the shifting mechanism integrated into the cranks
[2025-09-23T21:58:17Z] <asimov> now
[2025-09-23T21:58:33Z] <asimov> is there a vm in community?
[2025-09-23T21:58:44Z] <midfavila> https://www.drive-mobility.com/en/drives
[2025-09-23T21:58:56Z] <midfavila> ist das schlumpfendriven
[2025-09-23T21:59:05Z] <midfavila> it drivens schlumpfen
[2025-09-23T22:00:15Z] <midfavila> you could have a pretty sick four-speed bike drivetrain sealed from the elements and useful without cables or derailleurs if you paired it with a sturmey-archer s2c rear hub
[2025-09-23T22:00:27Z] <midfavila> coaster with a 138% overdrive activated via kickback 
[2025-09-23T22:02:28Z] <midfavila> doing some numbers here, if you have a 2:1 direct drive ratio, and use the 165% overdrive variant for the schlumpf, you could have effective gear ratios of 2/2.75/3.3/4.5 approximately
[2025-09-23T22:02:41Z] <midfavila> which are some pretty big jumps, but that gives you some really good coverage
[2025-09-23T22:03:47Z] <midfavila> for context, if you have 650B format wheels, about 27.5" in diameter, that's a top speed range from ~=265m/min to ~=600m/min at 60rpm
[2025-09-23T23:01:56Z] <c89c99> oh 
[2025-09-23T23:01:56Z] <c89c99> uh
[2025-09-23T23:02:23Z] <c89c99> alright
[2025-09-23T23:02:37Z] <c89c99> so just before i open up a issue in the repos
[2025-09-23T23:03:06Z] <c89c99> we gotta downgrade curl in tghe repos
[2025-09-23T23:03:16Z] <c89c99> because
[2025-09-23T23:03:37Z] <c89c99> it got some musl incompatible code
[2025-09-23T23:03:51Z] <c89c99> it still builds BUT
[2025-09-23T23:04:01Z] <c89c99> CMake uses curl and its libraries
[2025-09-23T23:04:13Z] <c89c99> CMake got some tests with that curl libs
[2025-09-23T23:04:27Z] <c89c99> so when it comes across the musl imcompatible code\
[2025-09-23T23:04:33Z] <c89c99> it fails to build
[2025-09-23T23:05:17Z] <c89c99> so i propose to downgrade curl to like 7.88.1
[2025-09-23T23:05:29Z] <c89c99> for CMake can build
[2025-09-23T23:05:34Z] <c89c99> ok thx
[2025-09-23T23:43:46Z] <dily83254> :thinking: not the most helpful bug report