[2025-09-30T02:11:12Z] <EliSoli> what do you guys think of sourcehut?
[2025-09-30T02:16:30Z] <EliSoli> I've been migrating to codeberg since I discovered it with kiss but as sourcehut seems to prioritize simplicity much more than codeberg i might be migrating again
[2025-09-30T02:31:54Z] <midfavila> do you guys have any good suggestions for desks
[2025-09-30T02:32:08Z] <midfavila> i want to get one that takes good advantage of vertical space
[2025-09-30T02:32:37Z] <midfavila> i really like the general idea of those studio desks musicians and the like use, but they have a huge markup because muh moosic and they're not arranged quite like how i'd like them
[2025-09-30T02:33:08Z] <midfavila> basically, keyboard tray of a *decent* size, plus a full-size desk top, plus a little shelf to mount monitors on or something
[2025-09-30T02:33:20Z] <midfavila> i was thinking of sliding the new computer under the monitor shelves
[2025-09-30T02:59:54Z] <midfavila> https://benchdepot.com/lan-stations
[2025-09-30T03:00:09Z] <midfavila> kind of a shifty looking website in 2025 but they have really good prices...
[2025-09-30T03:00:14Z] <midfavila> plus that's why chargebacks exist lol
[2025-09-30T12:22:00Z] <dilyn> @sad_plan @midfavila unfortunately I gave away my old radeon card a few months ago :'( 
[2025-09-30T12:22:13Z] <dilyn> the CIA has not been treating me well enough it seems
[2025-09-30T12:39:52Z] <cstrm> https://www.nushell.sh/ what you think bout this
[2025-09-30T12:42:50Z] <dilyn> my problem with sh isn't a lack of pipelines. maybe I'm bad at programming because I don't think about data types...
[2025-09-30T12:45:03Z] <cstrm> sh has pipelines no?
[2025-09-30T12:46:28Z] <dilyn> yeah but nushell goes way too far it feels like haha
[2025-09-30T14:42:31Z] <dery> ohh hiiii dilyn!
[2025-09-30T14:42:33Z] <dery> been a while
[2025-09-30T14:42:47Z] <dilyn> o/
[2025-09-30T14:43:30Z] <dery> how's life going
[2025-09-30T15:12:54Z] <midfavila> dilyn inflation is hitting everyone hard okay
[2025-09-30T15:13:04Z] <midfavila> plus we had to reallocate your unit's budget to ICE or whatever
[2025-09-30T15:13:09Z] <midfavila> insert topical american politics quip
[2025-09-30T15:14:06Z] <midfavila> i'm dreading going to do the monthly grocery run. prices seem to go up every time i visit 
[2025-09-30T15:15:26Z] <midfavila> plus i'm low on a lot of stuff so it's going to have to be a larger one
[2025-09-30T15:15:27Z] * midfavila dies
[2025-09-30T16:12:41Z] <dilyn> luckily I've dramatically outpaced inflation, but spending $400/mo on groceries *does* womp
[2025-09-30T16:12:57Z] <dilyn> also sorry @dery I'm at work and getting too distracted by all these meetings...
[2025-09-30T16:13:16Z] <dilyn> life is good tho. just bought a massive couch. yuge. and not cheap wayfair garbage! a REAL couch!
[2025-09-30T16:14:44Z] <midfavila> jealous
[2025-09-30T16:15:01Z] <midfavila> i've gone from paper ikea furniture to actual solid wood ikea furniture 
[2025-09-30T16:15:14Z] <midfavila> but yeah groceries are the real killer
[2025-09-30T16:15:24Z] <midfavila> if i were to do a big run all at once that would be, 
[2025-09-30T16:15:26Z] * midfavila checks notes
[2025-09-30T16:15:30Z] <midfavila> 650CAD
[2025-09-30T16:15:33Z] <midfavila> which is uh
[2025-09-30T16:15:36Z] <midfavila> more than i spend on rent
[2025-09-30T16:15:36Z] <dilyn> about the same
[2025-09-30T16:15:44Z] <midfavila> and all of this is fucking store brand shit!
[2025-09-30T16:15:51Z] <dilyn> isn't it crazy!!
[2025-09-30T16:15:53Z] <midfavila> not that there's anything wrong with store brand, but it's supposed to be cheaper
[2025-09-30T16:16:08Z] <midfavila> like why the fuck is a can of spam six motherfucking dollars
[2025-09-30T16:16:10Z] <dilyn> they're usually just the same garbage as the name brand stuff anyways too
[2025-09-30T16:16:13Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-09-30T16:16:52Z] <midfavila> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/struggle-meals-trend-1.7646169
[2025-09-30T16:16:57Z] <midfavila> relevant morning news headline
[2025-09-30T16:17:26Z] <midfavila> feel like i'm going fucking insane with how everyone irl keeps trying to gussy shit up in sparkles and rainbows
[2025-09-30T16:17:39Z] <midfavila> things are *bad* and people need to recognise that first before anything can change
[2025-09-30T16:18:12Z] <midfavila> i've been having a fit in ##Canada all morning about this 
[2025-09-30T16:22:04Z] <midfavila> i've been asking my boss for a raise too because shit is so expensive and every time i do he's like "whaaa why are you so bad with money just go to costco like we do"
[2025-09-30T16:22:23Z] <midfavila> like i'm sorry but i don't own a 3000sqft house and two trucks to haul my fucking costco run with
[2025-09-30T16:26:31Z] <dilyn> people keep telling me to shop at costco. how about folx don't need to rely on wholesalers for food? 
[2025-09-30T16:26:56Z] <dilyn> also I'm just one dude. how much do y'all think I eat that buying in bulk won't just result in wasting food
[2025-09-30T16:29:12Z] <dery> dilyn: regarding being at work, nw :D
[2025-09-30T16:29:24Z] <dery> wahooo couch
[2025-09-30T16:44:02Z] <midfavila> dilyn communism is when you shop at walmart instead of costco
[2025-09-30T16:44:05Z] <midfavila> didn't you know that
[2025-09-30T16:44:20Z] <midfavila> also sorry i was yelling at my fucking boss
[2025-09-30T16:44:25Z] <midfavila> he's been such a shithead lately
[2025-09-30T16:44:43Z] <midfavila> he keeps cheering on the israelis and the tories and shit and i can't fucking stand it
[2025-09-30T16:44:56Z] <midfavila> istg the second i can i'm getting out of this province
[2025-09-30T16:44:57Z] <dery> :sob:
[2025-09-30T16:45:04Z] <dery> how can people still cheer on them
[2025-09-30T16:45:20Z] <dery> it's not even political anymore it's literal violence
[2025-09-30T16:45:31Z] <dery> I mean obv it's politically motivated but like, outside of israel
[2025-09-30T16:45:37Z] <midfavila> it's never been not violence
[2025-09-30T16:45:48Z] <midfavila> the british and the israelis have been genocidal in that region since day one
[2025-09-30T16:45:54Z] <midfavila> americans not long after because OIL
[2025-09-30T16:46:06Z] <midfavila> a bunch of guys in balaclavas with AK-47s isn't a fucking army
[2025-09-30T16:46:53Z] <midfavila> and it didn't start in 2023, and it's not a fucking religious conflict, and israel doesn't have the right to defend itself because it's an occupying power
[2025-09-30T16:47:00Z] <midfavila> and i'm tired of acting like this is fucking normal 
[2025-09-30T16:47:13Z] <dery> indeed
[2025-09-30T16:47:34Z] <midfavila> the thing that bothers me the most is that my boss keeps drawing these bullshit false equivalencies
[2025-09-30T16:47:41Z] <midfavila> "well, everyone loses in war"
[2025-09-30T16:47:51Z] <dery> not to sound insensitive but like, what does the genocide in gaza have to do with work
[2025-09-30T16:47:59Z] <dery> why does your boss feel like saying the dumb shit they think
[2025-09-30T16:48:09Z] <midfavila> my boss keeps bringing up news shit because he thinks i'm going to agree with him
[2025-09-30T16:48:19Z] <dery> why does that matter during work :sob:
[2025-09-30T16:48:23Z] <midfavila> ask him
[2025-09-30T16:48:24Z] <midfavila> :\
[2025-09-30T16:48:55Z] <midfavila> once i have my shit in order i'm probably going to quit 
[2025-09-30T16:49:11Z] <dery> good idea
[2025-09-30T16:49:13Z] <dery> great, even
[2025-09-30T16:49:17Z] <dery> awesome, perhaps
[2025-09-30T16:49:19Z] <dery> you get the idea
[2025-09-30T16:49:27Z] <midfavila> yeah i can't keep working here as is
[2025-09-30T16:49:59Z] <dery> I'm genuinely surprised bothering your hires with random talk is actually a thing
[2025-09-30T16:50:08Z] <dery> you know, with all the talk about "efficiency" and shit
[2025-09-30T16:50:20Z] <dery> like, what if you do agree? Does he give you a raise? Obviously not
[2025-09-30T16:50:34Z] <midfavila> as far as i'm concerned it's a veiled threat
[2025-09-30T16:50:40Z] <dery> bruh
[2025-09-30T16:50:47Z] <dery> "no communists in my company"
[2025-09-30T16:50:48Z] <midfavila> it's not a matter of rewarding you if you agree, it's a matter of punishing you if you don't
[2025-09-30T16:51:08Z] <midfavila> hasn't happened here yet, but there have been other places where if you disagree with things in even a token fashion they cut your hours and shit
[2025-09-30T16:51:13Z] <dery> "I don't care that you give me a lot of money, you're a communist because *reason*, go away"
[2025-09-30T16:51:19Z] <midfavila> it's not even muh gommunism
[2025-09-30T16:51:23Z] <midfavila> it's just, like
[2025-09-30T16:51:33Z] <midfavila> here there's a trotsky quote that sums it up
[2025-09-30T16:51:40Z] <dery> ik that it's not communism, but apparently every single conservative finds everyone they don't agree with a communist
[2025-09-30T16:51:59Z] <dery> not even just tories, even just like... liberals
[2025-09-30T16:52:39Z] <midfavila> "Not every exasperated petty bourgeois could have become Hitler, but a particle of Hitler is lodged in every exasperated petty bourgeois."
[2025-09-30T16:52:55Z] <midfavila> every small business owner i've worked for has been an absolute menace in some way or another 
[2025-09-30T16:53:04Z] <midfavila> they, like, *thrive* on fucking
[2025-09-30T16:53:13Z] <dery> this just sucks man
[2025-09-30T16:53:21Z] <midfavila> sinking their fingers into your life and jerking you around until you're exactly what they want, and nothing more, and nothing less
[2025-09-30T16:54:19Z] <dery> I mean at least they're honest that they're in a position of power above you and that working means nothing to them
[2025-09-30T16:55:57Z] <midfavila> i just wish he would shut the fuck up sometimes
[2025-09-30T16:56:05Z] <midfavila> he's always going off about something or other 
[2025-09-30T16:56:20Z] <midfavila> i don't even mind having an *actual conversation* about shit 
[2025-09-30T16:56:30Z] <midfavila> but don't just >make an assertion
[2025-09-30T16:56:34Z] <midfavila> and then grin at me 
[2025-09-30T16:56:40Z] <midfavila> that's like, not a conversation
[2025-09-30T16:56:43Z] <dery> that's the thing, he's in a position of power on you
[2025-09-30T16:56:47Z] <dery> he doesn't want conversations
[2025-09-30T16:57:06Z] <dery> he wants praise and support for his ideas because he's the boss and rich and powerful and has an insecurity complex or something
[2025-09-30T16:57:30Z] <midfavila> that's why i wish he would just fucking stop
[2025-09-30T16:57:35Z] <dery> and he /must/ be right, cause he's the boss
[2025-09-30T16:57:41Z] <midfavila> yeah :\
[2025-09-30T16:57:43Z] <dery> and he's the boss cause he's always right
[2025-09-30T16:57:59Z] <dery> I think somebody made an analysis about the circular logic behind the merits of bilionaires
[2025-09-30T16:58:41Z] <dery> like elon musk, who is always justified about doing shit "cause he's rich and must know what he's doing" and paradoxically exactly of that they indirectly make him even richer by following him in the market or something
[2025-09-30T16:58:55Z] <midfavila> it's just american protestantism 
[2025-09-30T16:58:59Z] <midfavila> that's all that it is
[2025-09-30T16:59:30Z] <midfavila> >if you have money then god must love you therefore everything you do is god's will
[2025-09-30T16:59:33Z] <midfavila> or some shit
[2025-09-30T17:00:05Z] <dery> I swear either I got stuck in a lefty hole for (or whatever) so long that this is kinda obvious to me or most tories must be intentionally dense
[2025-09-30T17:00:10Z] <midfavila> there's this thing on some TV stations here where they preach the so-called "prosperity gospel" which is just, like, "rich people good and need tax cuts, poor people bad and need to tithe more"
[2025-09-30T17:00:21Z] <midfavila> i've come to the conclusion that tories engage in motivated reasoning
[2025-09-30T17:00:43Z] <dery> this is just dumb i swear
[2025-09-30T17:00:51Z] <midfavila> they just want a way to justify their position in the world and nothing else
[2025-09-30T17:01:04Z] <midfavila> there's no actual values or morals or like
[2025-09-30T17:01:06Z] <dery> especially when they go "owning the left with facts and logic"
[2025-09-30T17:01:08Z] <midfavila> ideology there
[2025-09-30T17:01:13Z] <midfavila> god that is so 2016
[2025-09-30T17:01:27Z] <dery> :skull:
[2025-09-30T17:01:37Z] <midfavila> it's just so pathetic. it's all vibes 
[2025-09-30T17:01:42Z] <midfavila> like okay look
[2025-09-30T17:01:58Z] <midfavila> if you're going to be a genocidal piece of shit, at least be a *consistent* genocidal piece of shit 
[2025-09-30T17:02:07Z] <midfavila> instead of shifting around all the fucking time so that people can't pin you down
[2025-09-30T17:03:54Z] <midfavila> it's also, somewhat paradoxically, a politic of inaction 
[2025-09-30T17:04:06Z] <midfavila> there's always some great insurmountable challenge that no regular person could ever overcome 
[2025-09-30T17:04:31Z] <midfavila> only a Great Man can achieve such things and we must wait idly by as humble peons knowing our place 
[2025-09-30T17:04:39Z] <midfavila> and it's like, no, we can just do things
[2025-09-30T17:04:46Z] <midfavila> you can literally just go outside and do a thing 
[2025-09-30T17:04:50Z] <midfavila> like right now
[2025-09-30T17:04:50Z] <dery> I mean honestly as you said most of this logic is like, 2016
[2025-09-30T17:05:00Z] <dery> nowadays they don't even care to justify it in some whay
[2025-09-30T17:05:01Z] <dery> way*
[2025-09-30T17:05:09Z] <dery> they just go "uhh I'm rich you're poor fuck off"
[2025-09-30T17:05:20Z] <dery> "yes copyright only works for the poor the rich can everything"
[2025-09-30T17:05:31Z] <dery> "yes donald trump here's one million dollars can you cancel my case thank you"
[2025-09-30T17:05:41Z] <dery> this is like, out in the open publicly discussed /as it happens/
[2025-09-30T17:05:51Z] <midfavila> trust me i know
[2025-09-30T17:05:54Z] <midfavila> i live in canadian alabama 
[2025-09-30T17:06:02Z] <midfavila> that happens here and it's *celebrated*
[2025-09-30T17:06:07Z] <dery> :sob:
[2025-09-30T17:06:16Z] <midfavila> as, like, a "victory against the woke mob" or whatever
[2025-09-30T17:06:19Z] <midfavila> and it's like...
[2025-09-30T17:06:25Z] <midfavila> dude just shut the fuck up aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2025-09-30T17:06:51Z] <midfavila> i saw this video recently of a lady in starbucks harassing the barista and it summed up tories in a shellnut
[2025-09-30T17:07:05Z] <midfavila> there's like, this trend ig of people telling starbucks baristas that their name is charlie kirk
[2025-09-30T17:07:16Z] <midfavila> so that you can get the barista to #SayHisName or whatever the fuck
[2025-09-30T17:07:26Z] <dery> WHAT
[2025-09-30T17:07:28Z] <midfavila> which, very cool, let's all collectively harass service workers, awesome
[2025-09-30T17:07:29Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-09-30T17:07:33Z] <dery> I'd expect it to be, like, the opposite
[2025-09-30T17:07:35Z] <midfavila> one sec lemme find you the video
[2025-09-30T17:07:38Z] <dery> like to "trigger" tories
[2025-09-30T17:07:44Z] <dery> how did this turn into a good thing
[2025-09-30T17:07:57Z] <dery> weren't they supposed to, y'know, honor the dead by letting them fucking rest in peace?
[2025-09-30T17:07:57Z] <midfavila> he's being held up like the next jesus 
[2025-09-30T17:08:13Z] <midfavila> and in typical NA fashion that means commodification babyyyyyy
[2025-09-30T17:08:26Z] <midfavila> the best way to celebrate the dead is to make a shitload of money ~on~ in their name doncha know
[2025-09-30T17:08:32Z] <midfavila> can't stop that #sigmagrindsethustle man
[2025-09-30T17:08:38Z] <dery> you know what
[2025-09-30T17:08:45Z] <dery> the most painful part is not even that they're doing this
[2025-09-30T17:08:51Z] <dery> is that they do it /sometimes/
[2025-09-30T17:09:12Z] <dery> like every single famous death, like george floyd and shit got absolutely despised by those people
[2025-09-30T17:09:31Z] <dery> yet a fucking con artist dies and they do a whole 180°
[2025-09-30T17:09:43Z] <midfavila> well yeah because there's no actual principles behind it
[2025-09-30T17:09:46Z] <midfavila> it's a team sport
[2025-09-30T17:09:57Z] <dery> (my language fucking sucks tbc not calling the famous deaths shit)
[2025-09-30T17:10:31Z] <midfavila> charlie kirk was a midwit sophist who went onto american college campuses and went after first years who were barely out of high school and engaged in ritual humiliation to earn money 
[2025-09-30T17:10:56Z] <dery> there's an extremely good video (I think?) showcasing the tactics he used
[2025-09-30T17:11:01Z] <midfavila> he was completely irrelevant outside of the tiny fraction of the internet that still exists in a subspace containing 2016 of nothing else
[2025-09-30T17:11:04Z] <dery> it's like one of those "logic fallacies" channels
[2025-09-30T17:11:10Z] <midfavila> s/of/and/
[2025-09-30T17:11:12Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-09-30T17:11:19Z] <dery> if you want I can send it to you
[2025-09-30T17:11:46Z] <midfavila> i mean even just watching him he's a shitty debater 
[2025-09-30T17:11:51Z] <dery> and the surreal thing is that this whole critique isn't concentrated onto him per se, it's simply a great example of the staple of the entire group
[2025-09-30T17:11:56Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-09-30T17:11:59Z] <midfavila> that's exactly it
[2025-09-30T17:12:07Z] <midfavila> there's no logic, just the veneer of it
[2025-09-30T17:12:12Z] <midfavila> it's sophistry 
[2025-09-30T17:12:18Z] <dery> Here's the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRLV5Is-Pc4
[2025-09-30T17:12:29Z] <midfavila> scoring cheap points and working the crowd to make it seem like you have a point
[2025-09-30T17:12:49Z] <dery> it's the first "logical analysis" I've ever seen so no idea if that's good or mediocre but I was very happy despite the very filler-y presentation
[2025-09-30T17:13:00Z] <midfavila> SPANKS
[2025-09-30T17:13:02Z] <midfavila> also very 2016
[2025-09-30T17:13:04Z] <dery> I swear it loops so much of the same stuff that it's kinda painful to watch at times
[2025-09-30T17:13:04Z] <dery> lmao
[2025-09-30T17:13:05Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-09-30T17:13:11Z] <dery> yea the presentation of that video is ehhhhhhhhhh
[2025-09-30T17:13:24Z] <dery> I suppose you know the alt-right playbook
[2025-09-30T17:13:25Z] <midfavila> is the one ancient trick refusing faulty premises
[2025-09-30T17:13:25Z] <dery> the series
[2025-09-30T17:13:31Z] <midfavila> yeah it's mediocre
[2025-09-30T17:13:34Z] <midfavila> it's very liberal
[2025-09-30T17:13:51Z] <dery> what is mediocre
[2025-09-30T17:13:55Z] <dery> the presentation or the series
[2025-09-30T17:13:59Z] <dery> or both lol
[2025-09-30T17:14:36Z] <midfavila> the series
[2025-09-30T17:14:40Z] <dery> oh aight
[2025-09-30T17:15:05Z] <midfavila> i think it ignores the broader material conditions that give rise to fascism and similar ideologies and it portrays it as a mere personal failure 
[2025-09-30T17:15:05Z] <dery> I mean I'm not aware of a comprehensive collection of rethorical weapons used by the right
[2025-09-30T17:15:20Z] <dery> nah
[2025-09-30T17:15:42Z] <dery> I think it does not say "you suck cause you don't see these OBVIOUS tricks"
[2025-09-30T17:15:58Z] <dery> It's more like "the right is playing extremely foul and here's how"
[2025-09-30T17:16:03Z] <midfavila> that's not what i'm saying
[2025-09-30T17:16:15Z] <midfavila> what i'm saying is that it ignores *why* people turn to right-wing ideologies in the first place
[2025-09-30T17:16:26Z] <dery> mhhhhh
[2025-09-30T17:16:33Z] <dery> I think that was somewhat touched in some video
[2025-09-30T17:16:37Z] <dery> might be wrong
[2025-09-30T17:16:47Z] <midfavila> yeah there's a video about the "pipeline" but it basically boils down to like
[2025-09-30T17:16:49Z] <dery> that said I don't think that's an issue cause I only see that as a compendium of rethorical tricks
[2025-09-30T17:16:55Z] <midfavila> >someone in position of privilege has privilege threatened
[2025-09-30T17:17:03Z] <midfavila> >youtube video OWNS liberals with facts and logic
[2025-09-30T17:17:04Z] <midfavila> >???
[2025-09-30T17:17:05Z] <midfavila> >fascism
[2025-09-30T17:17:20Z] <midfavila> which ignores that fascism has historically played itself up to the working class 
[2025-09-30T17:17:24Z] <midfavila> which is, 
[2025-09-30T17:17:24Z] <dery> I can't really see that series as a complete guide to the alt-right
[2025-09-30T17:17:26Z] <midfavila> notably,
[2025-09-30T17:17:30Z] <midfavila> not very privileged under capitalism
[2025-09-30T17:17:47Z] <midfavila> even the sections that people want to pretend are somehow purely aligned with capital 
[2025-09-30T17:18:22Z] <midfavila> i mean the thing is the right doesn't tend to *use* logic to find a conclusion, they find a conclusion and then work backward. 
[2025-09-30T17:18:26Z] <midfavila> it's motivated reasoning.
[2025-09-30T17:18:30Z] <midfavila> you can't argue with that.
[2025-09-30T17:19:00Z] <dery> indeed
[2025-09-30T17:44:24Z] <dery> EliSoli: regarding sourcehut, yea, it's an interesting platform
[2025-09-30T17:44:45Z] <dery> It's nominally paid though and I don't feel like going there tbh
[2025-09-30T17:44:57Z] <dery> it's still free for now but it will be eventually a paid service