[2025-10-28T00:55:37Z] <dery> waaaa fr?
[2025-10-28T00:56:34Z] <dery> I wonder how well servo will fare once done
[2025-10-28T02:14:17Z] <kris_> these cartoon-esque hijinks have got to stop
[2025-10-28T02:14:21Z] <kris_> like they have to stop
[2025-10-28T02:14:28Z] <kris_> mr.frank said it's time to stop
[2025-10-28T02:14:37Z] <kris_> a fucking energy drink just randomly chose to blow up inside of my backpack and soaked *everything*
[2025-10-28T02:14:44Z] <kris_> my papers, my ps vita, my laptop, everything
[2025-10-28T02:15:03Z] <kris_> my bag was just sitting there for ages with zero movement, zero impacts, etc so im pretty sure it literally just decided it was going to explode
[2025-10-28T02:15:42Z] <dery> oof
[2025-10-28T02:15:49Z] <dery> that sucks :(
[2025-10-28T02:16:10Z] <dery> I hope that the electronics at least are still fine
[2025-10-28T02:16:17Z] <kris_> by some miracle my laptop survived
[2025-10-28T02:16:21Z] <dery> and the vita?
[2025-10-28T02:16:23Z] <kris_> by an even bigger miracle, my ps vita was dry
[2025-10-28T02:16:27Z] <dery> wahoooo
[2025-10-28T02:16:29Z] <kris_> the padded thing i had my vita in was SOAKED
[2025-10-28T02:16:34Z] <kris_> like that definitely ate like half of the energy drink
[2025-10-28T02:16:39Z] <kris_> and the ps vita in the center stayed dry
[2025-10-28T02:16:42Z] <dery> big moment for gaming rn
[2025-10-28T02:16:51Z] <kris_> big moment for going the fuck to sleep as soon as i can honestly
[2025-10-28T02:16:54Z] <dery> the gaming gods graced you
[2025-10-28T02:17:05Z] <dery> yea eepy is important
[2025-10-28T02:17:08Z] <dery> what time is it over there?
[2025-10-28T02:17:11Z] <kris_> w9pm
[2025-10-28T02:17:25Z] <dery> oh I see
[2025-10-28T02:17:55Z] <dery> it's hella late here I should go eep too
[2025-10-28T02:17:58Z] <dery> 3AM
[2025-10-28T02:19:00Z] <dery> gn kris_ 
[2025-10-28T02:19:04Z] <kris_> gngn
[2025-10-28T02:31:05Z] <evahasarrived> good night midfavila
[2025-10-28T02:36:03Z] <kris_> i haven't heard a peep out of mid tonight
[2025-10-28T02:36:07Z] <kris_> midfavila: where
[2025-10-28T06:53:00Z] <Ozymandias42> midfavila: I'm kinda surprised about the webkit thing. I thought webkit had long been deprecated in favor of the -ironically also webkit based- chromium and the only one left using webkit was safari and rather niche browsers like falkon
[2025-10-28T06:58:21Z] <midfavila> webkit 1.0 was
[2025-10-28T06:58:36Z] <midfavila> webkit 2.0 is used by most small browsers since it's easy to work with ig
[2025-10-28T06:58:40Z] <midfavila> i'm using badwolf on my laptop
[2025-10-28T06:59:00Z] <midfavila> https://hacktivis.me/projects/badwolf
[2025-10-28T07:00:30Z] <midfavila> i wish uzbl still worked 
[2025-10-28T07:00:31Z] <midfavila> :c
[2025-10-28T07:00:51Z] <midfavila> https://www.uzbl.org/
[2025-10-28T07:01:14Z] <Ozymandias42> I have falkon on my private-surf VM on my work machine. (the VM runs openSUSE MicroOS)
[2025-10-28T07:01:19Z] <Ozymandias42> ..well that and firefox
[2025-10-28T07:01:40Z] <Ozymandias42> also good morning. reading the history I guess you're in a similar timezone to me. so not in the americas?
[2025-10-28T07:02:16Z] <Ozymandias42> Falkon is shockingly light and fast. 
[2025-10-28T07:02:40Z] <Ozymandias42> https://www.falkon.org/
[2025-10-28T07:02:43Z] <midfavila> no i'm just brainbroken
[2025-10-28T07:02:47Z] <midfavila> it's like 1am for me
[2025-10-28T07:02:53Z] <midfavila> i'm in canada
[2025-10-28T07:02:55Z] <midfavila> unfortunately
[2025-10-28T07:03:08Z] <midfavila> i've used falkon. it's fine but a bit much
[2025-10-28T07:03:21Z] <Ozymandias42> > alkon is a KDE web browser using QtWebEngine rendering engine, previously known as QupZilla.
[2025-10-28T07:03:46Z] <midfavila> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=nxp+IMX8MQ&id=5544
[2025-10-28T07:03:47Z] <Ozymandias42> in what way is it a bit much? I usually use firefox I just happen to have falkon pre-installed here
[2025-10-28T07:03:49Z] <midfavila> this is my laptop's cpu
[2025-10-28T07:03:56Z] <midfavila> that should illustrate everything
[2025-10-28T07:03:58Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-10-28T07:04:19Z] <Ozymandias42> right that clears it up
[2025-10-28T07:04:30Z] <midfavila> yah
[2025-10-28T07:04:35Z] <midfavila> 4gb of ram plus that 
[2025-10-28T07:04:39Z] <Ozymandias42> so almost unusably weak hardware
[2025-10-28T07:04:42Z] <midfavila> mmh?
[2025-10-28T07:04:43Z] <midfavila> nah
[2025-10-28T07:04:48Z] <midfavila> it just sucks for webshit
[2025-10-28T07:04:57Z] <midfavila> i can watch 720p on invidious tho
[2025-10-28T07:05:00Z] <midfavila> or 1080 locally
[2025-10-28T07:05:03Z] <midfavila> using software rendering
[2025-10-28T07:05:08Z] <midfavila> bc i use Xfbdev
[2025-10-28T07:05:26Z] <Ozymandias42> why do that to yourself?
[2025-10-28T07:05:42Z] <midfavila> most of my work is done in emacs or in an ssh connection
[2025-10-28T07:05:51Z] <midfavila> or using standard X tools based off athena
[2025-10-28T07:06:10Z] <midfavila> i really don't have any problems using my laptop, even for light web use, lol
[2025-10-28T07:06:32Z] <midfavila> i just have a tendency to scrool and w/ oomkiller running i tend to zap my browser more often than not when it's firefox
[2025-10-28T07:06:35Z] <Ozymandias42> even a raspi 4 is likely stronger than that and I've tested and judged it illsuited for desktop use time and time again because of how bad it was with gpu accelerated video decoding. only browser where that somewhat worked was the heavily modified chromium they shipped
[2025-10-28T07:06:46Z] <midfavila> oh the 4 is way more powerful than my reform
[2025-10-28T07:06:49Z] <midfavila> no question
[2025-10-28T07:07:02Z] <Ozymandias42> and yet to me it's still to weak to properly use as desktop PC
[2025-10-28T07:07:02Z] <midfavila> but also most of the software i use is literally from the 1980s
[2025-10-28T07:07:11Z] <midfavila> or it's textual
[2025-10-28T07:07:26Z] <Ozymandias42> I mean sure if you use those kind of interfaces then you could also use hardware from abck then... almost.
[2025-10-28T07:07:38Z] <midfavila> nah it's super usable
[2025-10-28T07:08:01Z] <midfavila> honestly, snappy, even
[2025-10-28T07:08:13Z] <midfavila> if i used gtk3/4/5 or qt at all then likely it wouldn't be 
[2025-10-28T07:08:17Z] <midfavila> but i don't so it's fine
[2025-10-28T07:08:23Z] <midfavila> aside from firefox or badwolf
[2025-10-28T07:08:30Z] <Ozymandias42> ..you must have a fantastic setup for memory management if oom-killer takes action for you before everything slows to a crawl for a few minutes
[2025-10-28T07:08:49Z] <midfavila> i have a userspace daemon that kills processes
[2025-10-28T07:09:08Z] <midfavila> once i hit 95% it automatically kills the heaviest process
[2025-10-28T07:09:16Z] <Ozymandias42> I was about to ask "isn't that what systemd-oomd does anyway" but then remembered you likely don#t use systemd
[2025-10-28T07:09:35Z] <midfavila> actually, on this machine, i do
[2025-10-28T07:09:35Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-10-28T07:09:43Z] <midfavila> i haven't replaced the stock debian install 
[2025-10-28T07:09:51Z] <midfavila> but systemd sucks ass and i refuse to learn to use it
[2025-10-28T07:11:19Z] <midfavila> https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5544vs5766/nxp-IMX8MQ-vs-ARM-Cortex-A72-4-Core-2800-MHz
[2025-10-28T07:11:22Z] <Ozymandias42> I got to admit I was very annoyed with it too a few years ago before I just sat down and learned how to use it. While I do agree with the core parts of the criticism on it, regarding how dependent stuff seems to become on it and how big a monolith it's becoming. I do find it has some useful features
[2025-10-28T07:11:30Z] <midfavila> apparently the imx8mq mogs the shit out of the cortex a72
[2025-10-28T07:11:37Z] <midfavila> but low sample size so
[2025-10-28T07:11:40Z] <midfavila> ymmv
[2025-10-28T07:12:00Z] <Ozymandias42> for example I really like how I can just add certain properties to a .service file to have it magically create cgroups with those properties for that service
[2025-10-28T07:12:05Z] <midfavila> also not sure how the 8mq does better when its clock frequency is so much lower
[2025-10-28T07:12:11Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2025-10-28T07:12:13Z] <midfavila> here's the thing
[2025-10-28T07:12:23Z] <midfavila> i just write scripts with respawn
[2025-10-28T07:12:34Z] <midfavila> and a little main loop that keeps stuff alive
[2025-10-28T07:12:36Z] <midfavila> it's fine
[2025-10-28T07:13:14Z] <midfavila> i'm used to slackware so i basically just copy its method of service management
[2025-10-28T07:13:50Z] <Ozymandias42> I mean you can do that. the main reason I don't want to switch to anything else is because of the ecosystem trap. stuff is targeted for systemd so if I was using anything else I'd either have to hope someone else made a version using the alternative or I'd have to adapt the systemd service files myself. which is extra work I don#t want
[2025-10-28T07:14:30Z] <midfavila> nothing i use relies on systemd
[2025-10-28T07:14:31Z] <midfavila> lol
[2025-10-28T07:14:40Z] <Ozymandias42> you're the second slackware user I got to know btw.
[2025-10-28T07:14:47Z] <midfavila> almost everything i use assumes  essentially nothing but posix is available.
[2025-10-28T07:15:05Z] <midfavila> plus anything that's like, intrinsically required for the task at hand, ofc
[2025-10-28T07:15:05Z] <Ozymandias42> first one is a guy named Svoboda on my Discord Server Linux Café
[2025-10-28T07:15:10Z] <midfavila> >discord
[2025-10-28T07:16:42Z] <midfavila> but yeah tbqh the only things i really use a web browser for are like...
[2025-10-28T07:17:05Z] <Ozymandias42> I've been using IRC since sunday. it's nice and all but still lacks features I -by now- view as essential to any chat system. Multi-line messages. basic markdown for stuff like code-fences, quotes, etc. All of this IRC could support, even without touching the protocol or servers itself. but there's also basically no client supporting these things either
[2025-10-28T07:17:08Z] <midfavila> invidious, scrooling on the local subreddit for my city so i can keep up with all the local happenings, and wikipedia
[2025-10-28T07:17:20Z] <midfavila> use pidgin
[2025-10-28T07:17:27Z] <Ozymandias42> pidgin supports that stuff?
[2025-10-28T07:17:29Z] <midfavila> there's an addon that adds all of that included with the base
[2025-10-28T07:17:29Z] <midfavila> yes
[2025-10-28T07:17:33Z] <midfavila> it also supports latex
[2025-10-28T07:17:40Z] <Ozymandias42> huh. that is cool
[2025-10-28T07:17:40Z] <midfavila> and a million other things
[2025-10-28T07:17:51Z] <midfavila> pidgin is very cool but it's also very much a hot mess
[2025-10-28T07:18:02Z] <Ozymandias42> also surprised pidgin still lives. last time I heard about it was like 15 years ago
[2025-10-28T07:18:07Z] <midfavila> i use it every day
[2025-10-28T07:18:15Z] <midfavila> usually for xmpp 
[2025-10-28T07:18:25Z] <midfavila> i need to get a better solution for xmpp tho
[2025-10-28T07:19:35Z] <midfavila> if i could i would love something like ii for xmpp
[2025-10-28T07:19:57Z] <Ozymandias42> pidgin has a flatpak, right?
[2025-10-28T07:20:00Z] <midfavila> no clue
[2025-10-28T07:20:03Z] <midfavila> never used flatpaks
[2025-10-28T07:20:08Z] <midfavila> everything i do is from source
[2025-10-28T07:20:16Z] <Ozymandias42> it does. installing right now
[2025-10-28T07:22:05Z] <Ozymandias42> you happen to know how that plugin is named of the top of your head?
[2025-10-28T07:22:41Z] <midfavila> nope
[2025-10-28T07:23:37Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/BlueWinds/pidgin-irc-format
[2025-10-28T07:23:52Z] <Ozymandias42> thx
[2025-10-28T07:24:22Z] <midfavila> https://www.freshports.org/net-im/pidgin-latex/
[2025-10-28T07:24:25Z] <midfavila> also this
[2025-10-28T07:27:45Z] <midfavila> huh
[2025-10-28T07:27:49Z] <midfavila> gloox could be an interesting library
[2025-10-28T07:28:10Z] <midfavila> man i'm so fucking irritated that omemo support is so spartan though
[2025-10-28T07:28:20Z] <Ozymandias42> okay. so I'm not here using pidgin. does not seem to have history replay though.
[2025-10-28T07:28:31Z] <Ozymandias42> *now
[2025-10-28T07:28:33Z] <midfavila> there's a plugin for that.
[2025-10-28T07:28:38Z] <midfavila> view history or something.
[2025-10-28T07:28:47Z] <midfavila> if there's a feature you want there's probably a plugin for it.
[2025-10-28T07:30:10Z] <Ozymandias42> doesn't seem to be in the default list of plugins. the history one doesn't work
[2025-10-28T07:31:38Z] <midfavila> i might have grabbed it from the purple plugin pack slackbuild
[2025-10-28T07:31:46Z] <Ozymandias42> I think I've last used Pidgin on mac in 2009 or 2010 or so...
[2025-10-28T07:31:56Z] <Ozymandias42> that was before IMs died to whatsapp and telegram
[2025-10-28T07:32:05Z] <midfavila> i refuse to use any of that shit.
[2025-10-28T07:32:24Z] <midfavila> if that's the only way someone is willing to keep in touch with me then i won't keep in touch.
[2025-10-28T07:32:41Z] <Ozymandias42> it just works. I refuse to use whatsapp but telegram I've been usign since day one. even if I had preferred for there to be native apps for the already open protocol based IMs instead. 
[2025-10-28T07:32:52Z] <midfavila> it just werks:tm: until you do anything that isn't the norm
[2025-10-28T07:33:07Z] <midfavila> then it stutters and lags and crashes
[2025-10-28T07:33:10Z] <midfavila> plus it's a pain in the ass to use
[2025-10-28T07:33:14Z] <midfavila> full of anti-features
[2025-10-28T07:33:34Z] <Ozymandias42> well the norm contains so much stuff nowadays if you fall under the 0.001% then tough luck. just use your own custom thing then. it's not as if solutions for that don't stille xist
[2025-10-28T07:33:37Z] <midfavila> asking for my gd phone number
[2025-10-28T07:33:43Z] <midfavila> yeah that's what i do lol
[2025-10-28T07:34:49Z] <Ozymandias42> I never had telegram stutter or lag or crash. not even once. 
[2025-10-28T07:34:49Z] <Ozymandias42> oh nice here I can use newlines. let's see how this turns up in senpai
[2025-10-28T07:35:04Z] <midfavila> newlines are client side
[2025-10-28T07:35:08Z] <Ozymandias42> it just snips it into two messages
[2025-10-28T07:35:12Z] <midfavila> iirc the irc spec marks the end of messages using newlines
[2025-10-28T07:35:15Z] <Ozymandias42> here too apparently
[2025-10-28T07:35:42Z] <Ozymandias42> kinda wild that stuff like this hasn't been updated in all those years. 
[2025-10-28T07:35:48Z] <midfavila> why?
[2025-10-28T07:35:52Z] <midfavila> it works just fine as is.
[2025-10-28T07:36:04Z] <Ozymandias42> just keep old behaviour if client asks for version X and switch to better new one if asking for >X
[2025-10-28T07:36:11Z] <midfavila> how is it better
[2025-10-28T07:36:39Z] <Ozymandias42> if you type longer messages IRC get's real ugly in many clients. 
[2025-10-28T07:36:43Z] <midfavila> and also how does it justify changing the spec
[2025-10-28T07:37:12Z] <midfavila> like the minor convenience of a slightly more aesthetic message log doesn't justify changing anything. 
[2025-10-28T07:37:24Z] <Ozymandias42> backwards compatibility and in this case that the spec actively listens for newline. in most other cases you can leave the spec untouched. but you yourself just said this was in the spec
[2025-10-28T07:37:32Z] <Ozymandias42> seems like some grandfathered in legacy thing
[2025-10-28T07:37:39Z] <midfavila> irc is from 1987 
[2025-10-28T07:37:42Z] <midfavila> or something like that
[2025-10-28T07:37:51Z] <midfavila> irc *is* a "legacy" thing
[2025-10-28T07:37:54Z] <Ozymandias42> might have had a good reason back when IRC was made but nowadays there's no reason not to listen for Return instead
[2025-10-28T07:38:01Z] <midfavila> if people don't like it, they can fuck off
[2025-10-28T07:38:08Z] <midfavila> legacy is still around because legacy works
[2025-10-28T07:38:34Z] <Ozymandias42> never said you couldn't keep backwards compatibility. that seemed to have worked fine through IRCv1-3
[2025-10-28T07:38:58Z] <midfavila> my point is that you're asking to change a fundamental aspect of the irc protocol for mere aesthetic convenience.
[2025-10-28T07:39:41Z] <Ozymandias42> I guess that's some point I will never understand with some people. The moment soemthing is argued from a usability point of view instead of a purely technical one all arguments seem to become invalid. 
[2025-10-28T07:39:45Z] <midfavila> sure, it's a one-line change to the RFC, but now you need to consider how you're going to translate modern messages at the server to the appropriate message for clients and keep track of all that extra data. plus, it opens the floodgates to "well, just this", "just that"
[2025-10-28T07:39:57Z] <midfavila> my point isn't that usability is never valid.
[2025-10-28T07:40:16Z] <midfavila> my point is that you have to consider whether the gain in value is worth the cost of making the change.
[2025-10-28T07:40:45Z] <Ozymandias42> maybe that was done and maybe the answer was 'no'. maybe that's why there's so many other chat solutions
[2025-10-28T07:40:50Z] <midfavila> a minor behavioural change like using a pastebin or not writing fifty-thousand paragraph long posts would be much easier.
[2025-10-28T07:40:51Z] <Ozymandias42> I don't know
[2025-10-28T07:40:53Z] <midfavila> also, that's fine.
[2025-10-28T07:41:00Z] <midfavila> like i said, if people don't like irc, they can use something else.
[2025-10-28T07:41:13Z] <midfavila> irc is useful because it's small and simple.
[2025-10-28T07:41:18Z] <midfavila> and because it doesn't change.
[2025-10-28T07:41:23Z] <midfavila> it's consistent and timeless.
[2025-10-28T07:41:32Z] <Ozymandias42> I like some of the design decisions in IRC but not so much some others. 
[2025-10-28T07:41:41Z] <midfavila> it's not perfect, sure.
[2025-10-28T11:12:27Z] <sewn> meow
[2025-10-28T11:26:43Z] <Ozymandias42> greetings virtual cat
[2025-10-28T17:26:04Z] <kris_> Ozymandias42: moderately surprised you're still hanging on
[2025-10-28T17:26:19Z] <kris_> though i figure that now you have it set up it's good to go
[2025-10-28T17:26:27Z] <kris_> midfavila: gm
[2025-10-28T17:33:00Z] <Ozymandias42> kris_: correct. been using IRC all day at work. surprisingly it was even helpful with something I was looking into for proxmox there
[2025-10-28T17:33:26Z] <Ozymandias42> ..also I'm not giving up THAT fast when I have already wasted 4 hours on it just setting up a bouncer
[2025-10-28T17:33:30Z] <kris_> yeah it's pretty nice
[2025-10-28T17:33:43Z] <Ozymandias42> ...I already feel stupid with it again though.
[2025-10-28T17:33:46Z] <kris_> also next time you set up soju i figure itll take you like 10 minutes max
[2025-10-28T17:33:57Z] <Ozymandias42> I was wanting to try out irssi for fun but I can't even get it to connect to soju
[2025-10-28T17:34:10Z] <kris_> bad documentation can be fixed by having your own documentation
[2025-10-28T17:34:26Z] <Ozymandias42> it will. btw. I asked in the soju channel and apparently the username/server notation thing was mentioned in the first paragraph of the man page even
[2025-10-28T17:34:26Z] <kris_> also yeah irssi is basically atrophied at this point
[2025-10-28T17:34:40Z] <Ozymandias42> I just didn't even read that because that DESCRIPTION part I always skip over
[2025-10-28T17:35:00Z] <kris_> i need to think of a decent solution for internal docs at some point
[2025-10-28T17:35:04Z] <kris_> i might try vimwiki
[2025-10-28T17:35:10Z] <Ozymandias42> docmost
[2025-10-28T17:35:14Z] <kris_> too corporate
[2025-10-28T17:35:14Z] <Ozymandias42> very nice OSS thing
[2025-10-28T17:35:29Z] <Ozymandias42> eh. zim?
[2025-10-28T17:35:31Z] <kris_> I'm probably just going to take a day to make my own thing
[2025-10-28T17:35:40Z] <Ozymandias42> how about joplin?
[2025-10-28T17:35:49Z] <Ozymandias42> that one can even make your pages available as webpages too
[2025-10-28T17:35:51Z] <kris_> static site generator specifically for a diy web wiki
[2025-10-28T17:35:58Z] <kris_> i could just use hugo
[2025-10-28T17:36:08Z] <Ozymandias42> org mode emacs + hugo  :D
[2025-10-28T17:36:19Z] <kris_> org isnt markdown so that'd be a mess
[2025-10-28T17:36:24Z] <Ozymandias42> ah right.
[2025-10-28T17:36:26Z] <kris_> hugo is kinda ass which is why im hesitant
[2025-10-28T17:36:40Z] <Ozymandias42> joplin generates pure markdown I think
[2025-10-28T17:36:47Z] <Ozymandias42> same with QOwnNotes
[2025-10-28T17:36:57Z] <kris_> i think it would be good practice for me to write my own thing
[2025-10-28T17:37:04Z] <kris_> first rust project or something
[2025-10-28T17:37:47Z] <kris_> i really need to get an irc client set up on my laptop at some point
[2025-10-28T17:38:02Z] <kris_> messaging from my phone right now and as much as goguma is nice, i fucking hate phone keyboards
[2025-10-28T17:38:14Z] <Ozymandias42> I havent even installed mine permanently yet. I always just do `nix shell nixpkgs#senpai -c fish`
[2025-10-28T17:38:19Z] <Ozymandias42> or I could do `-c senpai`
[2025-10-28T17:38:33Z] <kris_> for some reason i thought you had moved off of nix
[2025-10-28T17:38:41Z] <Ozymandias42> I don't like goguma very much. I can't open new queries from it
[2025-10-28T17:39:10Z] <Ozymandias42> I'll be setting up quassel-core tomorrow or so to compare
[2025-10-28T17:39:16Z] <kris_> sadly kind of the only decent option for mobile as far as i can tell
[2025-10-28T17:39:19Z] <kris_> it works, idk
[2025-10-28T17:39:37Z] <Ozymandias42> btw. I've taken a look at the webclient whose name I keep forgetting
[2025-10-28T17:39:56Z] <Ozymandias42> that ones really nice. it has the markdown thing and code fences I was talking about recently
[2025-10-28T17:40:07Z] <Ozymandias42> even multiline, though tht turns up as multiple messages here
[2025-10-28T17:40:46Z] <Ozymandias42> if that client is done with proper resonsive design you could just PWA it onto your phones homescreen
[2025-10-28T17:40:58Z] <Ozymandias42> you'd need to selfhost it though to make it work with soju I guess
[2025-10-28T21:04:51Z] <midfavila> anyone ever fiddle with libstrophe and libomemo-c?
[2025-10-28T21:05:10Z] <midfavila> have to wonder how hard it would be to glue them together into some kind of ii-like abomination 
[2025-10-28T21:17:52Z] <midfavila> kris_: have you considered writing your manpages in man macros
[2025-10-28T21:17:57Z] <midfavila> as god intended
[2025-10-28T21:18:05Z] <midfavila> also gn dery and gm kris_ deltarune
[2025-10-28T21:23:13Z] <midfavila> https://slackbuilds.org/repository/15.0/libraries/libomemo-c/
[2025-10-28T21:23:17Z] <midfavila> not the one on github
[2025-10-28T21:23:21Z] <midfavila> that one needs a shitload more deps
[2025-10-28T21:23:32Z] <midfavila> this one just needs cmake and some other common build tools 
[2025-10-28T23:16:33Z] <kris_> midfavila: no