[2025-11-05T05:48:39Z] <midfavila> dery: did you see my message to you
[2025-11-05T07:55:11Z] <Ozymandias42> morning
[2025-11-05T09:28:57Z] <sewn> mor
[2025-11-05T14:21:13Z] <dery> midfavila: no
[2025-11-05T14:21:19Z] <dery> i don't think it came?
[2025-11-05T14:22:15Z] <dery> dunno i'm from goguma i should take a look from senpai
[2025-11-05T14:23:40Z] <midfavila> o
[2025-11-05T14:23:42Z] <midfavila> gm dery
[2025-11-05T14:23:44Z] <midfavila> <3
[2025-11-05T14:23:48Z] * midfavila applies headpats
[2025-11-05T14:24:06Z] <midfavila> dery: https://diptyx.dev/
[2025-11-05T14:24:16Z] <midfavila> book but e
[2025-11-05T14:27:01Z] <midfavila> i feel like if i was gonna consoom product at all it would just be collecting funky little open source tech thingies
[2025-11-05T14:27:45Z] <midfavila> https://pocketmage.org/
[2025-11-05T14:27:51Z] <midfavila> this lil guy is cool too
[2025-11-05T14:33:15Z] <midfavila> https://nypost.com/2025/11/04/opinion/zohran-mamdan-is-splitting-the-democrats-and-giving-gop-an-opportunity/
[2025-11-05T14:33:22Z] <midfavila> lmaooo the cover of nypost is hilarious
[2025-11-05T14:39:06Z] <midfavila> right, off to work, bbl
[2025-11-05T15:48:04Z] <midfavila> i have returned
[2025-11-05T16:52:15Z] <kris_> a
[2025-11-05T16:56:18Z] <Ozymandias42> b
[2025-11-05T17:27:00Z] <midfavila> c
[2025-11-05T17:31:09Z] <dery> yea midfavila I see no message
[2025-11-05T17:31:17Z] <dery> was it in this public room, like, in the logs
[2025-11-05T17:31:21Z] <dery> I haven't checked there tbh
[2025-11-05T17:31:53Z] <midfavila> yea it was in here
[2025-11-05T17:31:57Z] <midfavila>  https://diptyx.dev/
[2025-11-05T17:32:04Z] <midfavila> lookit this it's what i wanna show you!!!
[2025-11-05T17:32:40Z] <dery> holy moly
[2025-11-05T17:32:45Z] <dery> it makes so much sense
[2025-11-05T17:32:52Z] <dery> why didn't anybody think of this before
[2025-11-05T17:33:09Z] <dery> it also self protects I cant believe it
[2025-11-05T17:33:17Z] <dery> I casually broke a kobo because of its fragility
[2025-11-05T17:33:48Z] <dery> I might unironically consider getting it if it doesn't cost too much
[2025-11-05T17:34:04Z] <midfavila> it's like 165usd
[2025-11-05T17:34:10Z] <midfavila> plus the cost of a battery
[2025-11-05T17:34:26Z] <midfavila> i think
[2025-11-05T17:34:26Z] <midfavila> wait
[2025-11-05T17:34:27Z] <midfavila> no 
[2025-11-05T17:34:35Z] <midfavila> i'm getting it mixed up with the pda from earlier
[2025-11-05T17:35:09Z] <midfavila> https://www.reddit.com/r/esp32/comments/1oc7ocs/diptyx_ereader_an_esp32powered_dual_screen_ereader/
[2025-11-05T17:35:16Z] <midfavila> "I am still working out the component costs, so I can't give a price indication until the campaign goes live unfortunately :) "
[2025-11-05T17:35:20Z] <midfavila> darn
[2025-11-05T17:35:23Z] <midfavila> okay i lied i'm sorry qwq
[2025-11-05T17:35:33Z] <dery> no worries
[2025-11-05T17:35:42Z] <midfavila> i'm a little flustered atm 
[2025-11-05T17:35:59Z] <dery> nah fr nw
[2025-11-05T17:36:06Z] <midfavila> one of the regulars at my job came in and started yapping about canada post and their union and stuff and aaaaaaaaa
[2025-11-05T17:36:07Z] * midfavila facedesks
[2025-11-05T17:36:08Z] <dery> I mean it's not that urgent tbh
[2025-11-05T17:36:18Z] <dery> like, an ebook
[2025-11-05T17:36:24Z] <midfavila> ye
[2025-11-05T17:36:36Z] <midfavila> i saw some talk of people wanting to turn the hinge into an 18650 compartment 
[2025-11-05T17:36:42Z] <midfavila> i think that would be super slick
[2025-11-05T17:36:46Z] <dery> been eyeing one for a while but I got like a pile of government-funded books cause I had maxed out my maturity exam
[2025-11-05T17:37:09Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2025-11-05T17:37:15Z] <dery> too bad it expired in a year so I bought a crapton of stuff all at once
[2025-11-05T17:37:17Z] <midfavila> honestly i feel like the software on this might be limited for textbooks
[2025-11-05T17:37:18Z] <dery> books and movies
[2025-11-05T17:37:20Z] <dery> fuck yea
[2025-11-05T17:37:21Z] <midfavila> at least rn
[2025-11-05T17:37:32Z] <midfavila> apparently it only supports epubs atm
[2025-11-05T17:37:32Z] <dery> wym
[2025-11-05T17:37:43Z] <dery> how does it not support regular books what's the difference
[2025-11-05T17:37:48Z] <dery> epub is crazy overkill lmao
[2025-11-05T17:37:54Z] <midfavila> aren't most textbooks distributed as pdfs?
[2025-11-05T17:38:02Z] <dery> yea
[2025-11-05T17:38:10Z] <midfavila> i've had poor experiences trying to convert a pdf to an epub
[2025-11-05T17:38:10Z] <dery> actually most e-books are epubs cause it's just text
[2025-11-05T17:38:22Z] <dery> I mean, I don't see why it should suck so much
[2025-11-05T17:38:24Z] <midfavila> yeah but textbooks have all their charts and schtuff
[2025-11-05T17:38:31Z] <dery> ooooh sorry
[2025-11-05T17:38:35Z] <dery> limited _for_ textbooks
[2025-11-05T17:38:39Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-11-05T17:38:39Z] <dery> not _to_
[2025-11-05T17:38:42Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-11-05T17:38:43Z] <dery> yea sorry my bad
[2025-11-05T17:38:45Z] * midfavila pats
[2025-11-05T17:38:46Z] <dery> yea I can see why
[2025-11-05T17:38:48Z] <midfavila> s'okay
[2025-11-05T17:38:53Z] <dery> although epub is just, like, html
[2025-11-05T17:38:58Z] <midfavila> yea
[2025-11-05T17:39:01Z] <dery> I don't see why one couldn't just convert each page to svg and slap in in the page
[2025-11-05T17:39:08Z] <dery> there has got to be a page separator primitive in there
[2025-11-05T17:39:37Z] <midfavila> maybe, dunno. it's not been released yet, creator said the source and schematic will be put out once it's all funded and in production
[2025-11-05T17:40:04Z] <dery> yea right if it's open source (under a libre license I hope) worst case there has got to be an embedded pdf rasterizer or something
[2025-11-05T17:40:11Z] <midfavila> also!!! 
[2025-11-05T17:40:12Z] <midfavila> unrelated
[2025-11-05T17:40:14Z] <dery> even just a list of bitmaps would probably be fine lol
[2025-11-05T17:40:20Z] <midfavila> i heard that there's a new company setting up shop in my city
[2025-11-05T17:40:35Z] <midfavila> they're doing mineral exploration and mining ig and they want to hire a bunch of people
[2025-11-05T17:40:40Z] <midfavila> and it starts at like 35 an hour
[2025-11-05T17:40:50Z] <midfavila> ig they're already a big name in this province
[2025-11-05T17:40:58Z] <dery> ohhh nice
[2025-11-05T17:41:04Z] <dery> I suppose they also need IT people?
[2025-11-05T17:41:11Z] <dery> or are you going to the mines
[2025-11-05T17:41:13Z] <midfavila> i mean i'll do whatever you want for 35 an hour
[2025-11-05T17:41:21Z] <dery> understandable lol
[2025-11-05T17:41:27Z] <midfavila> i'll move boxes or dig holes if it means i can like
[2025-11-05T17:41:28Z] <dery> it's like, how much per month?
[2025-11-05T17:41:29Z] <midfavila> >afford
[2025-11-05T17:41:31Z] <midfavila> uhhhh
[2025-11-05T17:41:33Z] <midfavila> let me check
[2025-11-05T17:42:12Z] <midfavila> like a lot
[2025-11-05T17:42:16Z] <dery> wahoo
[2025-11-05T17:42:25Z] <dery> midcraft time
[2025-11-05T17:42:33Z] <midfavila> there's mandatory overtime but you get paid doubletime after eight hours
[2025-11-05T17:42:39Z] <midfavila> plus your transport time is part of that
[2025-11-05T17:42:53Z] <midfavila> so you get eight hours at 35 an hour and then 4-5 hours a day on top of that at 70
[2025-11-05T17:43:12Z] <midfavila> i think that's for the miners specifically
[2025-11-05T17:43:15Z] <dery> still sounds very sweet I think
[2025-11-05T17:43:18Z] <dery> the grind begins
[2025-11-05T17:43:28Z] <midfavila> if i get the job yeah
[2025-11-05T17:43:38Z] <midfavila> inb4 immediately die of coal dust inhalation
[2025-11-05T17:43:39Z] <dery> do they ask for qualifications or smth
[2025-11-05T17:43:45Z] <dery> are there qualifications for miner
[2025-11-05T17:43:49Z] <midfavila> no they train you 
[2025-11-05T17:43:56Z] <dery> this sounds too good to be true lol
[2025-11-05T17:44:00Z] <dery> is this due to the rare earth thing
[2025-11-05T17:44:10Z] <midfavila> that and they need to pull uhhhh
[2025-11-05T17:44:19Z] <midfavila> potash out of the ground for fertiliser and shit too
[2025-11-05T17:44:24Z] <midfavila> it's for a company called nutrien
[2025-11-05T17:44:28Z] <dery> nice
[2025-11-05T17:44:34Z] <midfavila> they're super big here, they sponsor a lot of events and stuff
[2025-11-05T17:44:59Z] <dery> the only good thing that came out of the orange man is that everyboy's realizing that depending on a single entity is never good
[2025-11-05T17:45:16Z] <dery> since they can casually go crazy out of dementia or something and ignore all treaties done before
[2025-11-05T17:45:25Z] <midfavila> nah
[2025-11-05T17:45:26Z] <midfavila> see
[2025-11-05T17:45:29Z] <midfavila> here's the thing right
[2025-11-05T17:45:35Z] <midfavila> americans you might want to close your ears
[2025-11-05T17:45:38Z] <midfavila> trump is like
[2025-11-05T17:45:47Z] <midfavila> the most honest and straightforward incarnation *of* america
[2025-11-05T17:45:58Z] <midfavila> this isn't some aberration or deviance or whatever
[2025-11-05T17:46:02Z] <midfavila> this is just what america *is*
[2025-11-05T17:46:15Z] <midfavila> stripped of respectability politics
[2025-11-05T17:46:21Z] <dery> well yea I get what you mean but we still have stuff like NATO and (had) free trade
[2025-11-05T17:46:28Z] <dery> and most of those things came with conditions
[2025-11-05T17:46:33Z] <midfavila> NATO and free trade are only benefits for the owning class
[2025-11-05T17:46:34Z] <dery> like, free trade if DRM and copyright and whatever
[2025-11-05T17:46:48Z] <dery> and patetns
[2025-11-05T17:46:49Z] <dery> patents
[2025-11-05T17:46:55Z] <midfavila> they exist to stabilise and open markets to exploitation so that capital investments can move freely 
[2025-11-05T17:47:01Z] <midfavila> and, thus, capitalists
[2025-11-05T17:47:09Z] <midfavila> rich people can literally buy citizenship
[2025-11-05T17:47:14Z] <midfavila> in like, many different countries
[2025-11-05T17:47:28Z] <midfavila> and they can fuck off around the world whenever they want on their bullshit jets and cruises and whatever the fuck
[2025-11-05T17:47:32Z] <dery> yeye but again, even europe is liberal and whatever
[2025-11-05T17:47:39Z] <midfavila> and it's not even a big thing for them
[2025-11-05T17:47:48Z] <dery> and they had to bend quite a bit to make america happy and whatever
[2025-11-05T17:47:53Z] <dery> and now america is like "nah nevermind"
[2025-11-05T17:48:00Z] <midfavila> >oh i can get citizenship in greece for 500kUSD? nice
[2025-11-05T17:48:21Z] <midfavila> meanwhile that's like ten to twenty years of wages for some people here
[2025-11-05T17:48:23Z] <midfavila> most people, even
[2025-11-05T17:48:24Z] <dery> cory doctorow points out that we have DRM, 90 years of copyright and shit cause free trade
[2025-11-05T17:48:27Z] <dery> and trump casually said no
[2025-11-05T17:48:37Z] <dery> we could literally make DRM illegal and nothing would change at this point
[2025-11-05T17:48:42Z] <midfavila> well yeah
[2025-11-05T17:48:45Z] <dery> which would mesh super well with eurostack and other stuff
[2025-11-05T17:48:46Z] <midfavila> europe isn't an equal partner 
[2025-11-05T17:49:10Z] <dery> and that's the only good thing that came out of this mess, that we're starting to realize that
[2025-11-05T17:49:21Z] <midfavila> i mean europe isn't exactly a victim either, there's a lot of fucked up shit that europe does to the global south
[2025-11-05T17:49:22Z] <midfavila> ugh look can you let canada join the EU
[2025-11-05T17:49:26Z] <midfavila> i'll even settle for the EEA
[2025-11-05T17:49:44Z] <dery> like, we have open source public administration apps here in italy and not only is the corporation behind terrible (private contracts, ik), but they also depend on fucking google attestation
[2025-11-05T17:49:57Z] <midfavila> we have a land border with denmark and you can swim to france from canada in like ten minutes
[2025-11-05T17:49:59Z] <dery> yea ik europe sucks ass too but it's like the least terrible rn I think
[2025-11-05T17:50:09Z] <midfavila> i just want free education :sob:
[2025-11-05T17:50:27Z] <midfavila> and like a small house to live in
[2025-11-05T17:50:39Z] <midfavila> and to be able to walk to the store without almost dying
[2025-11-05T17:50:59Z] <midfavila> i'll even learn to speak european smdh my damn head
[2025-11-05T17:51:09Z] <dery> talking bout that
[2025-11-05T17:51:16Z] <dery> have you considered getting one of those lesson-slop apps
[2025-11-05T17:51:18Z] <dery> for language
[2025-11-05T17:51:25Z] <midfavila> ugh, no, i would never
[2025-11-05T17:51:28Z] <midfavila> they're a total waste of time
[2025-11-05T17:51:40Z] <dery> yea
[2025-11-05T17:51:49Z] <dery> but maybe even just to buil muscle memory or something
[2025-11-05T17:51:55Z] <dery> if you have trouble with learning, dunno, french or something
[2025-11-05T17:52:03Z] <midfavila> the new brunswick government offers free language training in french but i don't qualify for it any more since i had to move
[2025-11-05T17:53:35Z] <dery> oof
[2025-11-05T17:54:14Z] <dery> but yea I'm happy that we're starting to wake up from the big tech dream
[2025-11-05T17:54:17Z] <dery> eurostack ftw
[2025-11-05T17:54:26Z] <midfavila> idek if that matters at this point
[2025-11-05T17:54:38Z] <midfavila> like it's good but it's only a symptom
[2025-11-05T17:54:56Z] <midfavila> and idk if people writ large are willing to look at the underlying cause
[2025-11-05T17:55:44Z] <midfavila> tired, boss
[2025-11-05T17:55:47Z] * midfavila dies
[2025-11-05T17:59:48Z] <dery> at this point I'll take anything
[2025-11-05T18:00:52Z] <midfavila> need the next hit of hopium
[2025-11-05T19:54:34Z] <midfavila> man i wish payphones were still common
[2025-11-05T19:54:43Z] <midfavila> like what if my phone is dead or i'm out of reception or something
[2025-11-05T19:57:16Z] <dery> ye
[2025-11-05T19:57:30Z] <dery> it's just dumb to assume that I have a personal communicator available 24/24
[2025-11-05T19:58:01Z] <dery> back when I had only a broken phone around I had to unironically ask random people
[2025-11-05T19:58:24Z] <dery> damn I hate smartphones more and more
[2025-11-05T19:58:37Z] <dery> you know what I would really like to see? VoIP phones like that one you sent me
[2025-11-05T19:58:56Z] <dery> just give me an optimized device for VoIP communications, including encrypted ones like with telegram or whatnot
[2025-11-05T20:01:15Z] <midfavila> see i'm even fine with like
[2025-11-05T20:01:18Z] <midfavila> carrying a separate pda
[2025-11-05T20:01:25Z] <midfavila> or a laptop and then only checking my IMs on those
[2025-11-05T20:01:42Z] <midfavila> a device like the uconsole or beepis or similar is perfectly fine for that
[2025-11-05T20:01:51Z] <midfavila> plus then you can do linux stuff in your pocket if you want
[2025-11-05T20:02:04Z] <midfavila> the thing with the wiphone is like
[2025-11-05T20:02:14Z] <midfavila> every public hotspot has a fucking captive portal now
[2025-11-05T20:02:29Z] <midfavila> and it demands your goddamn firstborn just to get some shitty connection that barely works 
[2025-11-05T20:02:39Z] <midfavila> and weh
[2025-11-05T20:03:08Z] <midfavila> also i've been discovering that a lot of the things i like are based on the esp32 lmao
[2025-11-05T20:03:24Z] <midfavila> the wiphone is esp32, the tangara is esp32, the pocket mage is esp32, and the diptyx is esp32
[2025-11-05T20:03:51Z] <midfavila> https://pocketmage.org/
[2025-11-05T20:03:55Z] <midfavila> if you aren't familiar
[2025-11-05T20:04:14Z] <midfavila> actually
[2025-11-05T20:04:15Z] <midfavila> hm
[2025-11-05T20:04:21Z] <midfavila> the pocket mage does have like
[2025-11-05T20:04:26Z] <midfavila> an actual programming environemtn
[2025-11-05T20:04:28Z] <midfavila> environment
[2025-11-05T20:04:32Z] <midfavila> enough for a basic browser
[2025-11-05T20:04:40Z] <midfavila> so i bet you could get irc running on it
[2025-11-05T20:04:51Z] <midfavila> and if you can get irc running on it...
[2025-11-05T20:08:58Z] <midfavila> oh shit
[2025-11-05T20:09:06Z] <midfavila> you could get gopher running on this actually
[2025-11-05T20:09:08Z] <midfavila> !
[2025-11-05T20:19:54Z] <midfavila> gemini too...
[2025-11-05T22:01:29Z] <dery> I mean
[2025-11-05T22:01:35Z] <dery> I'm not necessarily advocating for WiFi itself
[2025-11-05T22:01:56Z] <midfavila> yeye
[2025-11-05T22:01:59Z] <dery> even just LTE or hell even NR
[2025-11-05T22:02:22Z] <dery> just like, let's drop the whole obsolete phone stack and move that to voip. No VoLTE or... VoNR???!??
[2025-11-05T22:02:45Z] <dery> Just literal IP packets, make everything network based, it literally unlocks VoWiFi for free, without operator shenanigans
[2025-11-05T22:02:50Z] <midfavila> the wiphone has an lte backplace fwiw
[2025-11-05T22:02:55Z] <midfavila> backplate
[2025-11-05T22:02:58Z] <dery> yea
[2025-11-05T22:03:29Z] <dery> but in general I'd like to see more versions of the wiphone, more efficient software stacks and who knows what
[2025-11-05T22:03:50Z] <dery> like I don't know if I said that already, but I wonder if anybody tried the modem-sleep architecture of normal phones
[2025-11-05T22:04:06Z] <dery> where there's a tiny microcontroller always listening which wakes up the main CPU only when receiving calls
[2025-11-05T22:04:35Z] <midfavila> i think the esp32 has an ultra low power coproc so that could be a thing
[2025-11-05T22:04:47Z] <dery> uhhh yea, good catch
[2025-11-05T22:05:42Z] <dery> although I wonder how feasible it would make to have a literal shim that looks and feels like an LTE/WiFi modem but that also exposes an USB wakeup call or something 
[2025-11-05T22:05:50Z] <dery> I have a dejavu lol
[2025-11-05T22:05:54Z] <dery> I'm sure I talked about this already lma
[2025-11-05T22:06:57Z] <midfavila> not to me
[2025-11-05T22:07:01Z] <midfavila> maybe elsewhere
[2025-11-05T22:07:43Z] <dery> damn I think that I could work on it. Like, it would definitely tingle the right neurons 
[2025-11-05T22:07:46Z] <dery> I'd work hard on it fr
[2025-11-05T22:08:01Z] <midfavila> this is what makes me want to go to school :sob:
[2025-11-05T22:08:10Z] <midfavila> i would love to work on this kind of stuff but i'm a fuckign BRAINLET
[2025-11-05T22:08:15Z] <dery> I don't think this requires really school
[2025-11-05T22:08:16Z] <midfavila> and have no idea where to start
[2025-11-05T22:08:27Z] <dery> like, USB LTE modems are actually serial
[2025-11-05T22:08:36Z] <dery> they use a protocol called AT to transmit messages
[2025-11-05T22:08:42Z] <dery> I know that cause broken pinephone lmao
[2025-11-05T22:08:45Z] <midfavila> it's not at
[2025-11-05T22:08:47Z] <midfavila> it's the hayes code
[2025-11-05T22:08:52Z] <dery> nuh uh
[2025-11-05T22:09:06Z] <dery> wait
[2025-11-05T22:09:07Z] <midfavila> ...it's literally the same system dialup modems use-
[2025-11-05T22:09:07Z] <dery> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_AT_command_set
[2025-11-05T22:09:11Z] <dery> Hayes AT lmao
[2025-11-05T22:09:13Z] <dery> my bad
[2025-11-05T22:09:15Z] <midfavila> :gun:
[2025-11-05T22:09:19Z] <dery> "also known as the AT command set"
[2025-11-05T22:09:23Z] <dery> hey I was technically right :P
[2025-11-05T22:09:40Z] <midfavila> close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades
[2025-11-05T22:09:52Z] <dery> hey the code calls it like that
[2025-11-05T22:09:55Z] <dery> nyways
[2025-11-05T22:09:58Z] <dery> it's a dumb serial protocol
[2025-11-05T22:10:11Z] <dery> I don't think this is stuff they teach at school, at most they'd teach you how to figure it out i guess
[2025-11-05T22:10:47Z] <midfavila> idk maybe i'm overestimating it
[2025-11-05T22:10:49Z] <dery> EPS32 definitely has serial if not even USB handling functionality, I'm sure that it can easily communicate with it with minimal to no hardware communications
[2025-11-05T22:11:02Z] <midfavila> i've taken some intro classes before on OCW and edx and i've always found it really boring and condesceding 
[2025-11-05T22:11:13Z] <dery> also it's free on linux SoCs
[2025-11-05T22:11:38Z] <dery> I mean that's what I mean when I talk about tingling the right neuron
[2025-11-05T22:11:44Z] <midfavila> fair ig
[2025-11-05T22:11:54Z] <dery> maybe it is for you or maybe it's just the lesson format
[2025-11-05T22:12:09Z] <midfavila> nah it's just like
[2025-11-05T22:12:13Z] <dery> I'd unironically say "try it", EPS32 has got some real sweet official APIs based on FreeRTOS
[2025-11-05T22:12:57Z] <midfavila> idk i've written (small) patches for linux before and fiddled with X's source code and other stuff. nothing crazy, but i at least know the basics of C and the principles behind some common algorithms and data structures and *stuff*
[2025-11-05T22:13:06Z] <midfavila> and i've fiddled with curses and sockets and so on
[2025-11-05T22:13:10Z] <midfavila> so to go from that to like
[2025-11-05T22:13:10Z] <dery> oh I see
[2025-11-05T22:13:14Z] <dery> well yea school would help with that yea
[2025-11-05T22:13:16Z] <dery> I think
[2025-11-05T22:13:18Z] <midfavila> >this is hello world in scratch woooooooow
[2025-11-05T22:13:25Z] <midfavila> >look at that it's a compuuuuuuuuuuuuuuter!!!
[2025-11-05T22:13:30Z] <midfavila> is pretty insulting
[2025-11-05T22:13:30Z] <dery> dunno in high school we had some very crappy c-with-classes-c++ courses
[2025-11-05T22:13:41Z] <midfavila> my high school only had BASIC and java :\
[2025-11-05T22:14:00Z] <dery> but university from the little I could manage to do before burning out completely it looked pretty advanced
[2025-11-05T22:14:01Z] <midfavila> 10 print fuck
[2025-11-05T22:14:03Z] <midfavila> 20 goto 10
[2025-11-05T22:14:05Z] <dery> lmao
[2025-11-05T22:14:05Z] <midfavila> run
[2025-11-05T22:14:17Z] <kris_> fuck
[2025-11-05T22:14:20Z] <dery> fuck
[2025-11-05T22:14:20Z] <midfavila> fuck
[2025-11-05T22:14:51Z] <midfavila> tfw this is peak new brunswick education
[2025-11-05T22:14:53Z] <midfavila> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[2025-11-05T22:15:09Z] <kris_> hehe
[2025-11-05T22:15:18Z] <midfavila> do NOT laugh at me >:C
[2025-11-05T22:15:34Z] <dery> well, at least I heard that at least in my school they tried to modernize it
[2025-11-05T22:15:38Z] <kris_> i had a wild quick time event earlier
[2025-11-05T22:15:42Z] <midfavila> i might not know my letters and numbers good but i could totally beat you up
[2025-11-05T22:15:43Z] <midfavila> fuckin
[2025-11-05T22:15:43Z] <midfavila> NERD
[2025-11-05T22:15:45Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2025-11-05T22:15:46Z] <kris_> im gonna leave it there, cliffhanger
[2025-11-05T22:15:50Z] <dery> like this c-with-classes crap was terrible and the teachers hated it too
[2025-11-05T22:15:55Z] <kris_> for now:tm:
[2025-11-05T22:16:03Z] <dery> it's mostly super SUPER slow bureaucracy
[2025-11-05T22:16:07Z] <midfavila> were you dodging bullets kris_
[2025-11-05T22:16:13Z] <midfavila> typical day in america
[2025-11-05T22:16:18Z] <midfavila> >take one step outside
[2025-11-05T22:16:22Z] <midfavila> >QTE to avoid shotgun blast
[2025-11-05T22:17:08Z] <midfavila> a fren of mine in eastern europe was telling me that his job only uses C++ for "c-with-classes"
[2025-11-05T22:17:18Z] <midfavila> i've never touched C++ and to be honest don't really want to
[2025-11-05T22:18:53Z] <dery> gonna be hones
[2025-11-05T22:18:57Z] <dery> modern C++ is not bad at all
[2025-11-05T22:19:11Z] <dery> like, I can see where rust came from, it's really nice to give your compiler more information
[2025-11-05T22:19:16Z] <midfavila> i mean it's also just
[2025-11-05T22:19:18Z] <midfavila> i don't usei t
[2025-11-05T22:19:20Z] <midfavila> use it*
[2025-11-05T22:19:21Z] <dery> NOT weirder abstraction
[2025-11-05T22:19:32Z] <dery> I also write very C-y C++ code cause I'm terrified of huge abstractions
[2025-11-05T22:19:39Z] <midfavila> like i don't know if there's anything in my kiss fork that relies on C++
[2025-11-05T22:19:40Z] <dery> but stuff like constexpr and stuff is very sweet
[2025-11-05T22:19:42Z] <midfavila> in the entire repo
[2025-11-05T22:19:49Z] <dery> yea it's fair
[2025-11-05T22:20:01Z] <dery> but like I bet that you could definitely hack on it
[2025-11-05T22:20:05Z] <midfavila> if i need super high level abstraction i'll just use lisp or something
[2025-11-05T22:20:06Z] <midfavila> ngl
[2025-11-05T22:20:19Z] <dery> like eventually you're going to touch so many languages for one reason or another it's irrelevant
[2025-11-05T22:20:34Z] <midfavila> it's not like this is ever going to be my job lmfao
[2025-11-05T22:23:17Z] <dery> Dumb take, people overestimate how hard it is to program
[2025-11-05T22:23:31Z] <dery> like, the annoying stuff is the actual architecture, how to abstract things and whatnot
[2025-11-05T22:23:35Z] <midfavila> it's easy to program just like it's easy to do lots of things
[2025-11-05T22:23:42Z] <midfavila> it's hard to do most things *well*
[2025-11-05T22:23:56Z] <dery> even dumber take
[2025-11-05T22:24:00Z] <dery> as long as it works, you've done it
[2025-11-05T22:24:15Z] <dery> my workflow lately is unironically to write a whitty PoC and then refactor and refine it slowly
[2025-11-05T22:24:21Z] <midfavila> well, yeah
[2025-11-05T22:24:26Z] <midfavila> iteration and stuff
[2025-11-05T22:24:28Z] <dery> something somehting knowledge in the code
[2025-11-05T22:24:36Z] <dery> sorry wisdom
[2025-11-05T22:25:39Z] <dery> but yea
[2025-11-05T22:25:48Z] <dery> I think it condenses to "just do it"
[2025-11-05T22:25:58Z] <dery> which is very cliché lol
[2025-11-05T22:26:13Z] <dery> dunno mid sorry I suck at being motivational today
[2025-11-05T22:26:28Z] <dery> but like ye just mess around I guarantee that you don't need school to do stuff
[2025-11-05T22:26:47Z] <dery> it's not useless mind you but you can have a very satisfactory hacker life by just... doing
[2025-11-05T22:32:39Z] <dery> oooh they finally made HTML downloads available for the POSIX 2024 standard
[2025-11-05T22:32:41Z] <dery> missed that
[2025-11-05T22:32:50Z] <dery> https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/download/index.html
[2025-11-05T22:44:01Z] <kris_> midfavila: 
[2025-11-05T22:44:05Z] <kris_> no like the opposite
[2025-11-05T22:44:39Z] <kris_> i was walking down the street and some guy comes up to me on a bicycle and is like "yo bro can i give you something" and obviously im immediately uncomfortable/weirded out by this and im like ehhh
[2025-11-05T22:45:00Z] <kris_> he goes "its just a note, you can read it whenever you want" and hands it out to me so i accept it
[2025-11-05T22:45:05Z] <kris_> and then he just rolls off on his bike
[2025-11-05T22:45:36Z] <kris_> i look at this shit and it reads "be gentle to yourself and others around you, your environment is shaping who you're to become"
[2025-11-05T22:45:53Z] <kris_> this guy was rolling around spreading positivity 
[2025-11-05T22:46:04Z] <kris_> literally made my day, floored me
[2025-11-05T22:46:30Z] <kris_> i still have the note, im gonna find some random fucker to hand it to like he did