[2025-12-16T01:44:03Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: it's because i'm a fluffy gote uwu~
[2025-12-16T01:44:15Z] <midfavila> i'm way better at dealing with the cold than the heat
[2025-12-16T01:44:20Z] <midfavila> anything above 15C and I just fucking die
[2025-12-16T01:44:30Z] <midfavila> i would take -50 over +20 or +30 
[2025-12-16T01:44:33Z] <midfavila> ez
[2025-12-16T01:44:44Z] <midfavila> ALSO I GOT THE NEW GRAPHICS CARD TODAY >:OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[2025-12-16T01:45:06Z] <midfavila> i had to hammer the fuck out of my PC's case to get it in but IT'S IN and IT WORKS and that's what matters
[2025-12-16T01:45:17Z] <midfavila> chadbsd: prices are made up
[2025-12-16T01:45:23Z] <midfavila> you can just build more houses 
[2025-12-16T01:45:28Z] <midfavila> and apartments
[2025-12-16T01:45:49Z] <midfavila> the notion that people should just not 'consume' housing because it's too expensive is sadistic
[2025-12-16T01:45:56Z] <midfavila> people ought to be allowed to live where they please
[2025-12-16T01:46:10Z] <midfavila> it should be the job of government to ensure that that's possible
[2025-12-16T01:47:41Z] <midfavila> i kind of want to go get a nanaimo bar to celebrate the gpu...
[2025-12-16T01:50:44Z] <kris_> midfavila: what gpu did you get
[2025-12-16T01:50:53Z] <midfavila> arguing w/ this guy on the internet to kill time at work about housing costs and he literally just said that if you want a house you should 'just have savings'
[2025-12-16T01:50:56Z] <midfavila> lmfao
[2025-12-16T01:50:59Z] <midfavila> direct quote
[2025-12-16T01:51:02Z] <midfavila> kris_: 8gb rtx 2070
[2025-12-16T01:51:04Z] <midfavila> for like 150cad
[2025-12-16T01:51:14Z] <kris_> rip musl
[2025-12-16T01:51:20Z] <midfavila> on slackware
[2025-12-16T01:51:30Z] <kris_> do you use current or stable
[2025-12-16T01:52:10Z] <midfavila> stable
[2025-12-16T01:52:12Z] <midfavila> 15
[2025-12-16T01:55:51Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I can agree with you about temperatures. my argument would be pretty easy, as you can dress for the cold, but dressing for heat gets mostly impossible above a certain limit
[2025-12-16T01:56:28Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2025-12-16T01:59:24Z] <kris_> cold > heat
[2025-12-16T01:59:25Z] <kris_> all day
[2025-12-16T02:00:07Z] <sad_plan> kris_: nvidia cards work just fine on musl
[2025-12-16T02:00:56Z] <sad_plan> also, I like hotter tempes, but not too hot. I like using shorts instead of pants and not having to bring a hoodie.
[2025-12-16T02:01:12Z] <kris_> sad_plan: since when
[2025-12-16T02:01:15Z] <kris_> nvidia doesnt do driver builds for musl
[2025-12-16T02:01:15Z] <sad_plan> but as everyone else, I dont like sweating at the sight of doing anything above sitting still lol
[2025-12-16T02:01:22Z] <kris_> unless you're using nouveau or something
[2025-12-16T02:01:25Z] <sad_plan> foss ones works kris
[2025-12-16T02:01:26Z] <kris_> which i dont think works fine
[2025-12-16T02:01:28Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2025-12-16T02:01:34Z] <kris_> nvk?
[2025-12-16T02:01:43Z] <kris_> arent you losing like 30% of your performance by doing that with nvk
[2025-12-16T02:01:50Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: just roll up ur pantlegs
[2025-12-16T02:01:50Z] <midfavila> ez
[2025-12-16T02:01:51Z] <kris_> or almost all of it + a ton of bugs with modern nvidia gpus if just noveau
[2025-12-16T02:01:52Z] <sad_plan> they do. I even used them unknowingly. I couldnve sworn I used the proprietary ones
[2025-12-16T02:01:53Z] <midfavila> shorts are bloat
[2025-12-16T02:01:55Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: lol
[2025-12-16T02:01:58Z] <midfavila> srsly
[2025-12-16T02:02:04Z] <kris_> i wanna get some of those kickass pants that have zippers
[2025-12-16T02:02:06Z] <sad_plan> kris_: nouvoeu ones is the ones I used
[2025-12-16T02:02:08Z] <kris_> so you unzip the leg
[2025-12-16T02:02:11Z] <kris_> and then have shorts
[2025-12-16T02:02:14Z] <midfavila> they suck
[2025-12-16T02:02:17Z] <midfavila> i've owned a few pairs
[2025-12-16T02:02:27Z] <midfavila> just get proper pants and proper shorts if you're going to be like that
[2025-12-16T02:02:30Z] <kris_> sad_plan: i have also used nouveau in the past and it's absolutely not something i can take seriously
[2025-12-16T02:02:37Z] <kris_> it only works well for like gtx 700 nvidia gpus and older
[2025-12-16T02:02:41Z] <kris_> newer ones it cant even upclock
[2025-12-16T02:03:23Z] <sad_plan> kris_: dunno about that 30% loss. I always hammer down the fps regardless of game. I dont want my fans sounding like windturbine when I play games, so if anything, I just havent noticed it because of this
[2025-12-16T02:03:38Z] <kris_> nouveau = piss poor or no fan control on nvidia gpus
[2025-12-16T02:04:07Z] <sad_plan> for me it works out of the box. dont care much for the fancurve. dont got the software to change it anyway, so meh
[2025-12-16T02:04:10Z] <kris_> iirc things have improved a bit recently since an nvidia employee got permission to contribute to nouveau but i honestly dont know
[2025-12-16T02:04:10Z] <sad_plan> non-issue for me
[2025-12-16T02:04:45Z] <sad_plan> phoronix or whoever it was did an artiche about it a while back stating they were almost identical about performance now
[2025-12-16T02:05:07Z] <sad_plan> I also used chimera for some time, and when I switched to nobara and then cachyOS, I cant say I noticed any difference
[2025-12-16T02:05:31Z] <sad_plan> my only complaint was that I couldnt see the temp on my gpu, because nouveou doesnt support it atm
[2025-12-16T02:05:38Z] <sad_plan> or atleast did not when I checked
[2025-12-16T02:05:56Z] <kris_> the most recent benchmarks i found with an initial search are a year old and it definitely doesnt seem like it works well with an rtx 3090
[2025-12-16T02:06:00Z] <kris_> like it does work
[2025-12-16T02:06:01Z] <kris_> it can run games
[2025-12-16T02:06:08Z] <kris_> but i feel like if you pay for a gpu you should have 100% of that gpu
[2025-12-16T02:06:17Z] <sad_plan> I agree
[2025-12-16T02:07:29Z] <kris_> im glad it seems to have improved a lot since like 2022 at least
[2025-12-16T02:07:51Z] <kris_> i paid like $980 for a 6700xt back then during the peak of a mining craze because i couldnt cope with having an nvidia gpu anymore
[2025-12-16T02:07:58Z] <kris_> it was actively problematic
[2025-12-16T02:08:11Z] <kris_> little did i know, had i waited 2 months that same gpu would have been like $300
[2025-12-16T02:09:23Z] <sad_plan> I get that. even gaming on linux has taken a really huge leap these past few years, which is nice. theres not a huge list of games ive simply not been able to play on linux yet, which still impresses me
[2025-12-16T02:09:42Z] <kris_> some games i used to play on linux will no longer work
[2025-12-16T02:09:48Z] <kris_> battlefield 1, apex legends, gta 5
[2025-12-16T02:09:50Z] <kris_> feelsbad
[2025-12-16T02:10:09Z] <sad_plan> im guessing the online part is what does not work, right?
[2025-12-16T02:10:17Z] <kris_> yeah dumb anticheat nonsense
[2025-12-16T02:10:50Z] <sad_plan> right. just play singleplayer instead, no need to waste your time with online stuff. but maybe thats just my inner loner speaking
[2025-12-16T02:10:58Z] <kris_> i only play online games for the most part
[2025-12-16T02:11:03Z] <sad_plan> I used to play games online on my 360 when I was a teen
[2025-12-16T02:11:10Z] <kris_> dayz, counterstrike, world of warcraft these days
[2025-12-16T02:11:13Z] <sad_plan> but as ive grown older, I never do
[2025-12-16T02:11:14Z] <kris_> and cod mw2 2009 ofc
[2025-12-16T02:11:37Z] <kris_> though i dont play official WoW, i play on a private server
[2025-12-16T02:11:51Z] <sad_plan> ive been wanting to play dayz, but its online only, and I dont care for paying for it, only to play with other stupid people I dont wanna deal with
[2025-12-16T02:12:57Z] <kris_> i highly recommend it
[2025-12-16T02:13:03Z] <kris_> its great with other people, that's a fundamental part of the game
[2025-12-16T02:13:12Z] <kris_> step out of your shell man i'll play with you
[2025-12-16T02:13:53Z] <kris_> i play on european servers only because i find american dayz players insufferable, not sure if that matters to you
[2025-12-16T02:14:07Z] <sad_plan> I get that
[2025-12-16T02:14:37Z] <sad_plan> I have no preference here really. I just dont really care much for online games, but sure, ill consider it. currently however I have a bajlion games on my list to play
[2025-12-16T02:15:18Z] <kris_> its also partially because i want to play on servers ran by a specific guy
[2025-12-16T02:15:31Z] <kris_> official dayz servers are overrun with cheaters and most other third party servers are really really ass for various reasons
[2025-12-16T02:15:36Z] <kris_> spaggies servers are good
[2025-12-16T02:15:47Z] <sad_plan> holy shit, its still expensive. still 589 NOK. thats like $55 or something
[2025-12-16T02:15:57Z] <kris_> it goes on sale for 20usd during the holiday
[2025-12-16T02:16:03Z] <kris_> its almost christmas so
[2025-12-16T02:16:58Z] <sad_plan> to be correct, its actually 57.95. which is insane for such an old game
[2025-12-16T02:17:05Z] <kris_> it's very worth that in my mind
[2025-12-16T02:17:11Z] <kris_> i also paid for the sakhal dlc which is by far my favorite map
[2025-12-16T02:17:17Z] <kris_> chernarus (the default) isnt great imo
[2025-12-16T02:17:21Z] <sad_plan> maybe ill add it to my watchlist, and if it comes on a sale, ill pick it up
[2025-12-16T02:17:29Z] <kris_> one of the biggest issues with dayz for me is that all of the signs in the game are in russian
[2025-12-16T02:17:32Z] <kris_> you can't change that
[2025-12-16T02:17:43Z] <kris_> so im sitting here trying to decypher ancient hieroglyphs to figure out where i am
[2025-12-16T02:17:49Z] <sad_plan> are, same with stalker games, and metro games
[2025-12-16T02:18:04Z] <sad_plan> I kinda hate it, but I also kinda get it. it makes sense, with where its placed
[2025-12-16T02:18:22Z] <kris_> i used to just play with a russian guy and he'd deal with navigating
[2025-12-16T02:18:32Z] <kris_> i havent spoken to him in forever though, kind of a dick but that's not here nor there
[2025-12-16T02:19:05Z] <kris_> theoretically once you've played enough you'll know where you are just based on how the area looks
[2025-12-16T02:19:14Z] <kris_> i havent reached that point yet, the maps are way too huge
[2025-12-16T02:19:16Z] <kris_> in a good way
[2025-12-16T02:19:39Z] <sad_plan> yeah, Im aware, I used to navigate gta like that. I didnt even need to look at the map eventually
[2025-12-16T02:20:56Z] <sad_plan> was dayz fps, or 3ps? I dont recall. ive playd arma 3, and it was ok.. Im not sure how I felt about arma 3 which I played earlier. is it anything like that? I mean, controlling wise. I found it to be somewhat iffy, I dont know how else to explain it really
[2025-12-16T02:21:20Z] <kris_> depends on the server
[2025-12-16T02:21:30Z] <kris_> some are third person and first person and you can toggle via keybind and others are first person only
[2025-12-16T02:21:38Z] <kris_> first person only is ideal imo because of the peeking around corners issue
[2025-12-16T02:23:35Z] <sad_plan> wym, peaking with 3ps is easyer because of the camera. atleast thats always how I felt
[2025-12-16T02:23:57Z] <kris_> the problem is people seeing you around corners without showing themselves to you
[2025-12-16T02:24:14Z] <kris_> seeing over/around things where you can't see them at all
[2025-12-16T02:25:09Z] <kris_> keep in mind dayz is extremely pvp heavy
[2025-12-16T02:25:16Z] <kris_> and its supposed to feel realistic
[2025-12-16T02:26:38Z] <sad_plan> which is what you can achive in third person, but not in first. because of the camera being higher up and further back. but maybe this is a dayz thing
[2025-12-16T02:26:52Z] <sad_plan> I like realistic. have you ever played insurgency? 
[2025-12-16T02:27:07Z] <midfavila> kris_: is dayz pvp heavy or does it condition people into resorting to violence to solve their problems
[2025-12-16T02:27:12Z] <midfavila> idea for ur next philosophy paper
[2025-12-16T02:27:15Z] <sad_plan> its relentless. 
[2025-12-16T02:27:33Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOceYlhCwjs kris_ 
[2025-12-16T02:27:39Z] <kris_> midfavila: its a video game man
[2025-12-16T02:27:43Z] <kris_> literally part of the point is pvp
[2025-12-16T02:27:51Z] <kris_> the fun comes from pvping
[2025-12-16T02:28:18Z] <kris_> sad_plan: i have not
[2025-12-16T02:28:31Z] <kris_> and my point is that i dont think its cool if people can see around walls without actually moving their player model out from behind cover
[2025-12-16T02:28:32Z] <sad_plan> wtf, for some reason, now I was actually able to build binutils with lto, which I was not able to do earlier. oasis' binutils does not build with lto ootb
[2025-12-16T02:28:35Z] <midfavila> kris_: or is that notion merely an expression of your social conditions as forced upon you by capitalism
[2025-12-16T02:28:38Z] <midfavila> :thinking:
[2025-12-16T02:28:46Z] <sad_plan> kris_:  you should though, atleast check it out if thats your jam
[2025-12-16T02:29:11Z] <sad_plan> I get that, but its posible in third person. kinda cheating, but meh
[2025-12-16T02:29:12Z] <kris_> no mid its literally just fun
[2025-12-16T02:29:29Z] <kris_> *why* i find that fun i have no idea, most people don't find dayz very fun
[2025-12-16T02:29:39Z] <midfavila> kris_:  r u sure abt tht
[2025-12-16T02:29:42Z] <kris_> it feels like real survival
[2025-12-16T02:29:44Z] <kris_> its great
[2025-12-16T02:29:53Z] <midfavila> >says the city yank
[2025-12-16T02:29:54Z] <kris_> and its a game where you can realistically 1v5 in a fight
[2025-12-16T02:30:04Z] <kris_> unlike other things like counterstrike
[2025-12-16T02:30:12Z] <kris_> if you're good enough you can fight an entire squad entirely by yourself
[2025-12-16T02:30:23Z] <midfavila> realistically you're not going to win a 1v5 irl unless the 5 are total idiots
[2025-12-16T02:30:32Z] <midfavila> then again most people don't even know how to throw a punch so
[2025-12-16T02:30:33Z] <midfavila> ???
[2025-12-16T02:30:43Z] <kris_> i would hope you're not fighting 5 people with your fists in dayz
[2025-12-16T02:30:46Z] <kris_> i mean you can but ideally you have a gun
[2025-12-16T02:30:50Z] <midfavila> that would be realistic
[2025-12-16T02:30:53Z] <kris_> and just position yourself in an ideal way
[2025-12-16T02:30:54Z] <midfavila> fists i mean
[2025-12-16T02:30:55Z] <midfavila> not a gun
[2025-12-16T02:31:05Z] <kris_> this is a silly discussion
[2025-12-16T02:31:15Z] <kris_> sad_plan: ill look into it for sure
[2025-12-16T02:31:17Z] <midfavila> you're a silly discussoin 
[2025-12-16T02:31:18Z] <kris_> and yes i consider third person cheating
[2025-12-16T02:31:20Z] <midfavila> discussion
[2025-12-16T02:31:24Z] <midfavila> ;2~iuhwiuh
[2025-12-16T02:31:27Z] <midfavila> fuck
[2025-12-16T02:37:51Z] <sad_plan> kris_: mind you ive only ever played the insurgency mod, not the other 2 official games. the mod however was at the very least relentless. its free if you got cs source or any of the other source games. seeing as its just a mod I mean
[2025-12-16T02:38:08Z] <sad_plan> which means you can get your feet wet in this, without paying for it anyhow
[2025-12-16T02:40:51Z] <kris_> i havent loaded up cs source in foreverrr
[2025-12-16T02:40:58Z] <kris_> i bought it to get missing assets for gmod back in the day
[2025-12-16T02:53:46Z] <sad_plan> I see. never actually used gmod, but I recall seing lots of videos about it too. looked fun though
[2025-12-16T02:57:38Z] <sad_plan> I also dont recall when I actually played cs source either. I do recall playing some custom maps with a class mate years ago. it was fun. I liked playing gun game, on the simsons maps. they were really fun
[2025-12-16T03:02:34Z] <midfavila> kris_ the man versus kris_ the gamer
[2025-12-16T03:56:31Z] <kris_> midfavila: liking dayz isnt a result of capitalism man
[2025-12-16T03:56:44Z] <kris_> its just a good game
[2025-12-16T04:08:04Z] <sad_plan> almost everything is a result of capitalism
[2025-12-16T04:08:11Z] <sad_plan> unless its free indie games because dev enjoys it
[2025-12-16T04:08:20Z] <sad_plan> same with foss code I suppose
[2025-12-16T04:08:37Z] <sad_plan> but thats besides the point
[2025-12-16T04:17:09Z] <midfavila> see sad_plan gets it
[2025-12-16T04:17:23Z] <midfavila> why are you so against introspection about your social and material conditions kris_ 
[2025-12-16T04:17:27Z] <midfavila> your teacher would love it
[2025-12-16T04:18:17Z] <midfavila> are you playing the game,
[2025-12-16T04:18:22Z] <midfavila> or is the game playing you?
[2025-12-16T04:18:27Z] <midfavila> gamer or gamed?
[2025-12-16T04:27:01Z] <sad_plan> kinda reminds me of stallman tbh. if it aint free software, youre the one being used
[2025-12-16T05:21:28Z] <midfavila> see kris_ sad_plan gets it
[2025-12-16T05:25:43Z] <midfavila> apparently there's a really basic browser for the ESP32 that's been ported to the pocketmage
[2025-12-16T05:25:50Z] <midfavila> i wonder how hard it would be to port it to the wiphone 
[2025-12-16T05:26:01Z] <midfavila> just something basic enough to get past a captive portal
[2025-12-16T05:26:32Z] <midfavila> also the diptyx is almost done funding >:O
[2025-12-16T05:53:11Z] <kris_> midfavila: im not against the introspection i just think its a connection between two things that doesn't actually exist
[2025-12-16T16:34:24Z] <midfavila> kris_: it's in ur subconscious
[2025-12-16T16:35:18Z] <midfavila> having an early morning tea but i'm out of hobnobs so i have to have fucking WAFERS instead
[2025-12-16T16:35:26Z] <midfavila> INCREDIBLY displeased
[2025-12-16T17:33:47Z] <sewn> oew
[2025-12-16T17:58:05Z] <midfavila> woa
[2025-12-16T17:58:08Z] <midfavila> it swen
[2025-12-16T18:13:15Z] <sewn> hi mid
[2025-12-16T18:47:00Z] <midfavila> :3333333333333333
[2025-12-16T20:05:29Z] <kris_> final math exam here in a few minutes
[2025-12-16T20:05:44Z] <kris_> i do infact have a calculator this time but the battery is almost flat 
[2025-12-16T20:05:49Z] <kris_> hopefully it lasts long enough
[2025-12-16T20:13:34Z] <kris_> midfavila: you're a wafer
[2025-12-16T20:17:48Z] <midfavila> go away nerdlet
[2025-12-16T20:17:59Z] <midfavila> play with ur ti84 in the corner and don't bother the ADULTS
[2025-12-16T20:23:43Z] <kris_> is not ti84
[2025-12-16T20:27:32Z] <midfavila> yea u right ti84 is too cool
[2025-12-16T20:27:35Z] <midfavila> ti 83 at best
[2025-12-16T20:28:08Z] <chadbsd> ti 67
[2025-12-16T20:32:44Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2025-12-16T20:50:30Z] <midfavila> god i want to buy a pocketmage literally rn
[2025-12-16T20:50:47Z] <midfavila> i have to wonder how viable a super basic unix environment would be on it
[2025-12-16T20:51:16Z] <midfavila> like, just a shell and the absolute minimum necessary compatibiliy layer to get something like ssh to run
[2025-12-16T21:03:56Z] <midfavila> btw does anyone here know if someone's ported seamonkey to aarch64?
[2025-12-16T21:04:00Z] <midfavila> preferably debian?
[2025-12-16T21:04:04Z] <midfavila> not seeing a lot of info online
[2025-12-16T21:04:10Z] <midfavila> hoping against hope tho
[2025-12-16T22:52:27Z] <kris_> bless cups bro
[2025-12-16T22:52:37Z] <kris_> this is so much better than printing from my fathers windows 7 laptop
[2025-12-16T22:52:47Z] <kris_> now that ive figured out how to use cups anyway
[2025-12-16T22:52:55Z] <kris_> no drivers needed for my printer, works with ipps
[2025-12-16T22:53:05Z] <kris_> yes this is the first time ive printed from linux
[2025-12-16T22:57:27Z] <sad_plan> Ive solved this by simply not printing stuff instead. ive lived years without needing a printer, so im not going to need one any time soon :p
[2025-12-16T22:57:43Z] <sad_plan> but nice to see youf figured it out kris_ 
[2025-12-16T23:00:52Z] <kris_> my biology final is open note but to take advantage of that i have to print out my online assignments
[2025-12-16T23:02:16Z] <sad_plan> I see. well, sure printing out stuff can be benefitial. often ive just made others print it out for me instead. my dad has always had a printer, and so does work, so ive been able to piggyback that instead mostly
[2025-12-16T23:02:45Z] <sad_plan> also, we do actually have a printer at home, but I think in the past 5 years or so, ive used it.. once I think?