[2026-01-05T00:37:19Z] <midfavila> MOTHERBOARD IS HERE
[2026-01-05T00:37:28Z] <midfavila> NEW COMPUTER TIME
[2026-01-05T01:01:02Z] <dery> yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[2026-01-05T02:31:19Z] <midfavila> first time i've ever seen a thunderbolt(?) and high-power PCIe cable before
[2026-01-05T02:37:53Z] <midfavila> sorry it's an *internal* usb-c 3.2x2
[2026-01-05T02:38:11Z] <midfavila> which is... meaningfully different from regular usb i'm sure
[2026-01-05T02:38:39Z] <midfavila> the front panel connector on this chassis is weird too. do modern motherboards not use the full 20-pin interface any more?
[2026-01-05T02:40:08Z] <midfavila> no apparently this is a qube 500 chassis *thing*
[2026-01-05T02:40:24Z] <midfavila> they just have a single fixed set of cables
[2026-01-05T02:40:33Z] <midfavila> i'll have to do the ol' screwdriver trick for now i guess
[2026-01-05T03:06:24Z] <midfavila> looks like there's only two pairs of wires for the power button
[2026-01-05T03:06:32Z] <midfavila> presumably the power and reset pairs
[2026-01-05T03:06:49Z] <midfavila> just going to splice those together with some spare headers and see if that works
[2026-01-05T03:23:22Z] <midfavila> that actually worked lmao
[2026-01-05T03:23:36Z] <midfavila> just cut the cables, stripped 'em, twisted em together
[2026-01-05T03:23:38Z] <midfavila> fuckin neat
[2026-01-05T03:23:43Z] <midfavila> that's electronics and stuff
[2026-01-05T04:04:28Z] <midfavila> all done
[2026-01-05T04:04:33Z] <midfavila> can't actually use it yet tho
[2026-01-05T04:04:38Z] <midfavila> need to grab some CABLES
[2026-01-05T04:09:31Z] <midfavila> https://theretroweb.com/motherboards/s/asus-kcma-d8
[2026-01-05T04:09:38Z] <midfavila> didn't realise the kcma-d8 was 'retro'
[2026-01-05T09:30:20Z] <kris_> midfavila: i kinda want to build a totem keyboard
[2026-01-05T09:30:25Z] <kris_> if you're familiar with that
[2026-01-05T09:31:03Z] <kris_> https://github.com/GEIGEIGEIST/TOTEM
[2026-01-05T11:25:10Z] <sewn> i have a totem
[2026-01-05T11:25:32Z] <kris_> you do???
[2026-01-05T11:25:33Z] <kris_> how is it
[2026-01-05T11:49:54Z] <sewn> its quite nice
[2026-01-05T11:50:04Z] <sewn> i ordered it from aliexpress as it was cheaper to get it premade than to make it myself
[2026-01-05T11:50:08Z] <sewn> my only gripe with it would be..
[2026-01-05T11:50:22Z] <sewn> the material perhaps
[2026-01-05T11:50:36Z] <sewn> im using special curved keycaps but you would be more interested in the MX variant of the totem i would believe
[2026-01-05T11:50:55Z] <kris_> eh
[2026-01-05T11:51:09Z] <kris_> i kinda hate mx style switches, im unlikely to get anything at the moment but im kinda looking around
[2026-01-05T11:51:22Z] <kris_> i dont think ill have the same issue with the totem that i do with full sized keyboards
[2026-01-05T11:51:28Z] <kris_> i have really tiny hands and hitting modifier keys is difficult for me
[2026-01-05T11:51:36Z] <kris_> usually i use my palm because my fingers dont comfortably reach unless i move my hands
[2026-01-05T11:51:53Z] <kris_> which on a normal sized keyboard means i need full height keycaps
[2026-01-05T11:52:27Z] <kris_> im also considering buying a friends hhkb but im not sure if id like topre or not
[2026-01-05T11:52:36Z] <kris_> i wish there was somewhere i could go to try one out beforehand
[2026-01-05T13:31:38Z] <kris_> sewn: also you were right, i didn't last very long on vis
[2026-01-05T13:31:47Z] <sewn> how come?
[2026-01-05T13:31:57Z] <kris_> vis itself doesn't seem buggy at all to me but a lot of the plugins very much are and i'm way too lazy to deal with fixing everything under the sun plus writing a few of my own
[2026-01-05T13:32:24Z] <kris_> emacs ended up being seemingly the only option
[2026-01-05T13:32:30Z] <kris_> and now am cozy
[2026-01-05T13:33:28Z] <sewn> what about helix?
[2026-01-05T13:38:15Z] <sad_plan> hm, disconnected again today. i wonder why I keep getting disconnected somewhat regurarly from libera, but not the other servers im connected to
[2026-01-05T13:38:29Z] <kris_> i get disconnected pretty often as well
[2026-01-05T13:38:51Z] <sad_plan> hm, wierd
[2026-01-05T13:40:15Z] <sad_plan> =!= irc: reading data on socket: error -54 Error in the  pull function.
[2026-01-05T13:40:28Z] <sad_plan> seems to be what happens. atleast this time
[2026-01-05T16:16:20Z] <midfavila> kris_: get zeal pc clickiez
[2026-01-05T16:16:27Z] <kris_> clicky switch bad
[2026-01-05T16:16:29Z] <midfavila> 105gf for bottom-out
[2026-01-05T16:16:30Z] <midfavila> :DDDDDDD
[2026-01-05T16:17:22Z] <midfavila> i guess it's an alps spring assembly or something inside an mx-compatible housing
[2026-01-05T16:17:26Z] <kris_> sounds fatiguing
[2026-01-05T16:17:28Z] <midfavila> that's what i've seen online
[2026-01-05T16:17:31Z] <kris_> 105g bottom out is wild
[2026-01-05T16:17:32Z] <midfavila> maybe if you have BABY fingers
[2026-01-05T16:17:33Z] <midfavila> for BABIES
[2026-01-05T16:17:36Z] <kris_> albeit i'm not too far off
[2026-01-05T16:17:38Z] <kris_> my switches are like 85 grams
[2026-01-05T16:17:48Z] <midfavila> 70-80gf is the minimum imho'
[2026-01-05T16:17:51Z] <kris_> most people are using like 35 gram switches these days
[2026-01-05T16:17:53Z] <midfavila> anything lighter feels too light
[2026-01-05T16:17:56Z] <midfavila> 35g is awful
[2026-01-05T16:17:57Z] <kris_> you adjust
[2026-01-05T16:18:02Z] <midfavila> i literally do not
[2026-01-05T16:18:10Z] <kris_> i hated these heavy as fuck switches when i first got them
[2026-01-05T16:18:13Z] <midfavila> i fat finger all over the place on super light keyboards
[2026-01-05T16:18:14Z] <kris_> and now anything else feels way too light
[2026-01-05T16:18:51Z] <midfavila> i'm excited for my beamspring but apparently beams are much lighter than buckling springs
[2026-01-05T16:19:00Z] <kris_> i should probably be careful ive pissed off like 15 different people today somehow
[2026-01-05T16:19:01Z] <midfavila> so idk how i'll adjust to that
[2026-01-05T16:19:04Z] <kris_> sleep deprived kris_ is a negative kris_
[2026-01-05T16:19:05Z] <midfavila> weh?
[2026-01-05T16:19:10Z] <kris_> idk whats going on
[2026-01-05T16:19:11Z] <midfavila> go bed
[2026-01-05T16:19:33Z] <kris_> albeit a little aggressive, i said anyone who intentionally uses dotnet for their project like willingly of their own choice is an idiot
[2026-01-05T16:19:42Z] <midfavila> that's just objectively true
[2026-01-05T16:19:45Z] <kris_> and then i said there's absolutely no reason to use amber, which is a language that compiles to bash
[2026-01-05T16:19:47Z] <kris_> like just write bash
[2026-01-05T16:19:59Z] <midfavila> >language that compiles to bash
[2026-01-05T16:20:01Z] <midfavila> that's stupid
[2026-01-05T16:20:04Z] <kris_> yeah it makes it look like javascript
[2026-01-05T16:20:05Z] <kris_> nothing else
[2026-01-05T16:20:12Z] <midfavila> ...
[2026-01-05T16:20:19Z] <midfavila> make it sixteen 
[2026-01-05T16:20:26Z] * midfavila rubs his eyes
[2026-01-05T16:20:34Z] <kris_> yeah but at least i dont expect you to be mad at *me*
[2026-01-05T16:20:36Z] <kris_> c:
[2026-01-05T16:20:53Z] <midfavila> i'm actually going to die of a stress-induced heart attack
[2026-01-05T16:20:55Z] <midfavila> before age thirty
[2026-01-05T16:21:10Z] <kris_> i think people who use fish are just built differently from us
[2026-01-05T16:21:18Z] <kris_> like the intentionally non posix compatible fish
[2026-01-05T16:21:22Z] <midfavila> sometimes i peek in on this linux chat i used to hang out in and every time i do it just
[2026-01-05T16:21:25Z] <midfavila> ugh
[2026-01-05T16:21:32Z] <midfavila> it's actually awful
[2026-01-05T16:21:39Z] <sewn> whats wrong midfavila
[2026-01-05T16:21:40Z] <kris_> #linux is pretty bad
[2026-01-05T16:21:44Z] <sewn> oh the 
[2026-01-05T16:21:44Z] <midfavila> literally just full of grifters and posers
[2026-01-05T16:21:47Z] <midfavila> no it's not #linux
[2026-01-05T16:21:50Z] <sewn> ##linux
[2026-01-05T16:21:51Z] <sewn> i think
[2026-01-05T16:21:52Z] <midfavila> it's not on irc
[2026-01-05T16:21:54Z] <sewn> oh
[2026-01-05T16:21:54Z] <kris_> no just like on another note
[2026-01-05T16:22:01Z] <kris_> i tried to chat in #linux for a little bit and got chewed out badly
[2026-01-05T16:22:05Z] <midfavila> y
[2026-01-05T16:22:07Z] <kris_> how dare i call btrfs slow
[2026-01-05T16:22:11Z] <midfavila> it is
[2026-01-05T16:22:13Z] <kris_> it objectively is
[2026-01-05T16:22:15Z] <sewn> it isn't
[2026-01-05T16:22:25Z] <sewn> unless you can speak with data
[2026-01-05T16:22:26Z] <midfavila> but also
[2026-01-05T16:22:27Z] <kris_> for certain things it's SO much worse than ext4 and xfs
[2026-01-05T16:22:30Z] <midfavila> bigger question
[2026-01-05T16:22:31Z] <kris_> sewn: i indeed can!
[2026-01-05T16:22:33Z] <kris_> give me just a second
[2026-01-05T16:22:38Z] <midfavila> who cares if it's marginally slower or not
[2026-01-05T16:22:38Z] <sewn> great
[2026-01-05T16:22:51Z] <midfavila> because for regular users it literally does not matter
[2026-01-05T16:22:58Z] <kris_> i dont know how things are literally **right now** but as of my own testing and the testing done by phoronix, launching gnome-terminal took 3 seconds on btrfs as opposed to 500ms or so on ext4 and xfs
[2026-01-05T16:23:01Z] <kris_> which mirrors exactly what i experienced
[2026-01-05T16:23:17Z] <midfavila> well okay come on that's not exactly scientific 
[2026-01-05T16:23:25Z] <kris_> it is when everything else is identical
[2026-01-05T16:23:33Z] <kris_> application startup time is pretty important on desktops
[2026-01-05T16:23:34Z] <midfavila> i don't know man
[2026-01-05T16:23:35Z] <kris_> i'd say anyway
[2026-01-05T16:23:43Z] <midfavila> i feel like you should at least double check with fuckin
[2026-01-05T16:23:44Z] <sewn> kris_: thats
[2026-01-05T16:23:45Z] <midfavila> uhhh
[2026-01-05T16:23:51Z] <sewn> that sounds so bullshti wtf
[2026-01-05T16:23:55Z] <midfavila> byte magazine's unix benchmark suite
[2026-01-05T16:24:06Z] <sewn> i get I/O benchmarking
[2026-01-05T16:24:16Z] <midfavila> https://www.phoronix.com/review/linux-615-filesystems
[2026-01-05T16:24:17Z] <sewn> but a user application taking almost 6 times more to launch like whaaaaatt
[2026-01-05T16:24:22Z] <midfavila> this article kris_ ?
[2026-01-05T16:24:26Z] <sewn> i ran GNOME on my system and didnt have that
[2026-01-05T16:24:43Z] <midfavila> seems reasonably in-depth so i haven't read the whole thing yet
[2026-01-05T16:24:59Z] <midfavila> luv me jfs. simple as.
[2026-01-05T16:25:04Z] <kris_> no not that one, hold on
[2026-01-05T16:25:30Z] <midfavila> FUCK I HATE FIREFOX IT'S SO DOGSHIT
[2026-01-05T16:25:39Z] <midfavila> god it is SO slow and uses SO much memory
[2026-01-05T16:25:43Z] <midfavila> fuck you mozilla
[2026-01-05T16:25:52Z] <midfavila> i hope you get bought out by google
[2026-01-05T16:25:55Z] <midfavila> it's what you want anyway
[2026-01-05T16:26:12Z] <kris_> https://www.phoronix.com/review/bcachefs-linux-67/3
[2026-01-05T16:26:15Z] <kris_> this is back when i tested it
[2026-01-05T16:26:21Z] <kris_> and around when i was complaining about it
[2026-01-05T16:27:11Z] <kris_> i haven't done any recent testing because i'm completely happy with xfs but the one time i tried btrfs it was a little agonizing
[2026-01-05T16:27:46Z] <midfavila> kris_: have you tried jfs
[2026-01-05T16:27:47Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2026-01-05T16:27:57Z] <kris_> no
[2026-01-05T16:28:02Z] <kris_> i'm unlikely to
[2026-01-05T16:28:04Z] <midfavila> y
[2026-01-05T16:28:14Z] <kris_> this isn't something i like fucking with
[2026-01-05T16:28:20Z] <kris_> unless its on a toy system
[2026-01-05T16:28:21Z] <midfavila> :c
[2026-01-05T16:28:34Z] <kris_> ext4 blows up if i look at it wrong in my experience
[2026-01-05T16:28:42Z] <kris_> which is what drove me to try other filesystems to begin with
[2026-01-05T16:28:55Z] <kris_> xfs seems rather stable to me and it has reflink which makes me VERY happy
[2026-01-05T16:29:13Z] <kris_> if i were to switch to something else it would probably be zfs
[2026-01-05T16:29:17Z] <midfavila> you could always be real niche and use reiserfs
[2026-01-05T16:29:20Z] <midfavila> >w>
[2026-01-05T16:29:28Z] <midfavila> homicideFS
[2026-01-05T16:29:38Z] <midfavila> has it been removed from the kernel yet?
[2026-01-05T16:29:46Z] <kris_> i think so(?)
[2026-01-05T16:30:22Z] <midfavila> 6.13 phoronix says
[2026-01-05T16:30:55Z] <kris_> OH MID
[2026-01-05T16:30:59Z] <kris_> i took apart my lenovo sk-8855 earlier
[2026-01-05T16:31:16Z] <kris_> the keyboard isnt bound to its shelll, i can just remove it and it's already terminated at USB 
[2026-01-05T16:31:20Z] <kris_> so i think im gonna 3d print a case for it
[2026-01-05T16:31:27Z] * midfavila nodnods
[2026-01-05T16:31:31Z] <kris_> the default shell that thing is in is doghsit
[2026-01-05T16:31:36Z] <kris_> its creaky and flexy and all that
[2026-01-05T16:31:46Z] <kris_> its completely hollow plastic because water drainage holes
[2026-01-05T16:32:07Z] <kris_> that's a rather nice feeling keyboard to me
[2026-01-05T16:32:20Z] <kris_> if only ctrl wasn't in the wrong spot
[2026-01-05T16:45:41Z] <sad_plan> kris_: maybe you should try hammer fs instead
[2026-01-05T16:45:51Z] <kris_> isn't that dragonflybsd only
[2026-01-05T16:46:04Z] <sad_plan> i think so
[2026-01-05T16:48:39Z] <midfavila> yes
[2026-01-05T16:48:40Z] <midfavila> it is
[2026-01-05T16:49:04Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2026-01-05T16:49:18Z] <sad_plan> im curiuous as to why noone ported cwfs or hjfs from 9 to linux though
[2026-01-05T16:50:59Z] <sad_plan> or maybe they just suck, or doent have any features which people want
[2026-01-05T16:53:50Z] <midfavila> year of the plan 9 desktop when
[2026-01-05T16:54:21Z] <sad_plan> probably never, but the idea of p9 is kinda cool tbh
[2026-01-05T16:55:02Z] <midfavila> i like p9 a lot i'm just not a mouse guy
[2026-01-05T16:57:47Z] <sad_plan> I like using the keyboard for most cases, but I find that I do use my mouse more than I probably like to admit.
[2026-01-05T16:58:04Z] <midfavila> i don't really have anything *against* the mouse per se
[2026-01-05T16:58:07Z] <midfavila> it's probably just habit
[2026-01-05T16:58:08Z] <sad_plan> theres also some cases where I find using a keyboard instead of a mouse is impractical
[2026-01-05T16:58:16Z] <midfavila> i'm sure if i used p9 more i would get used to it
[2026-01-05T16:58:20Z] <sad_plan> yeah, a habit is what it is
[2026-01-05T16:58:32Z] <sad_plan> probably
[2026-01-05T16:58:42Z] <midfavila> but also tbf if i'm going to make a huge leap to another OS entirely i would just use mezzano
[2026-01-05T16:58:46Z] <midfavila> :v
[2026-01-05T16:59:17Z] <midfavila> i just wish mezzano didn't rely on UEFI
[2026-01-05T16:59:34Z] <sad_plan> I remember trying to find all the usecases I used the mouse for, just to eventually stop using the mouse alltogether, but now I kinda dont care too much. I think Ive just come to terms with that sometimes using the mouse is better/faster
[2026-01-05T16:59:53Z] <sad_plan> I dont even know what mezzano is
[2026-01-05T16:59:58Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano
[2026-01-05T17:00:04Z] <midfavila> OS written in 100% common lisp
[2026-01-05T17:00:26Z] <midfavila> has a TCP/IP stack, ext and fat support, USB, a compositing graphics subsystem etc
[2026-01-05T17:00:34Z] <sad_plan> right
[2026-01-05T17:00:44Z] <sad_plan> why this, as opposed to something else?
[2026-01-05T17:00:51Z] <midfavila> because i like lisp 
[2026-01-05T17:00:54Z] <midfavila> i'm not a C person
[2026-01-05T17:01:01Z] <midfavila> i mean i prefer scheme to common lisp
[2026-01-05T17:01:04Z] <midfavila> but still
[2026-01-05T17:01:34Z] <sad_plan> yet you argue for C in every instance whenever kris_  or sewn talks about other langs being good :p
[2026-01-05T17:01:44Z] <midfavila> that's because most languages are shit
[2026-01-05T17:02:00Z] <midfavila> C is fine for what it's intended for
[2026-01-05T17:02:15Z] <midfavila> i would argue lisp is a better choice for higher-level development work
[2026-01-05T17:02:23Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2026-01-05T17:02:30Z] <midfavila> but at this point hardware is so cheap and so powerful that replacing C with lisp is more than viable
[2026-01-05T17:02:47Z] <midfavila> i mean we measure cycles in terms of *billions* per second
[2026-01-05T17:02:58Z] <midfavila> i'm sure we can dedicate a fraction of those to a runtime environment for lisp 
[2026-01-05T17:03:33Z] <midfavila> it's simple, clean, consistent, easy to learn, easy to write, yet insanely flexible
[2026-01-05T17:03:58Z] <midfavila> and for many dialects, extrmemely efficient, too
[2026-01-05T17:04:40Z] <sad_plan> hm, I see
[2026-01-05T17:04:53Z] <midfavila> extremely even
[2026-01-05T17:06:15Z] <midfavila> i actually found someone's toy OS written for x86's BIOS that was written in a custom dialect of scheme
[2026-01-05T17:06:26Z] <midfavila> had a little shell, fat support, a vi clone
[2026-01-05T17:06:39Z] <midfavila> plus feature parity with like dos 6 or something
[2026-01-05T17:06:44Z] <midfavila> 'DreamOS'
[2026-01-05T17:06:57Z] <midfavila> the entire thing is like 12k lines of scheme
[2026-01-05T17:07:52Z] <sad_plan> sounds like your cup of tea mate
[2026-01-05T17:08:06Z] <midfavila> it's very neat
[2026-01-05T17:08:20Z] <sad_plan> ill stick with C for now, because almost all of the software I use, is written in C. so for me, C just makes the most sense
[2026-01-05T17:08:23Z] <sad_plan> I bet
[2026-01-05T17:08:39Z] <midfavila> well, yeah, that's why i'm fine with C
[2026-01-05T17:08:43Z] <midfavila> C is the language of Unix
[2026-01-05T17:08:54Z] <midfavila> insofar as you're using a unixy system you should expect to run into C
[2026-01-05T17:08:58Z] <midfavila> same with shell
[2026-01-05T17:09:03Z] <midfavila> https://dl.acm.org/doi/epdf/10.1145/13310.13333
[2026-01-05T17:09:11Z] <midfavila> ^example of an optimising scheme compiler
[2026-01-05T17:10:06Z] <midfavila> you should read the little schemer sad_plan 
[2026-01-05T17:10:12Z] <midfavila> it's a really really really good book
[2026-01-05T17:14:13Z] <midfavila> man i just wish i could work on these things instead of being stuck at my fucking job all day
[2026-01-05T17:14:24Z] <midfavila> all i want to do is tinker with computers and do cool stuff
[2026-01-05T17:22:24Z] <sad_plan> ill take a looksie
[2026-01-05T17:27:16Z] <sad_plan>  what do you think of myrddin midfavila? mcf likes it for some reason. I cant really find a usecase for it though
[2026-01-05T17:27:54Z] <midfavila> its name is cornish apparently which is cool
[2026-01-05T17:27:57Z] <midfavila> cornwall mentioned
[2026-01-05T17:28:52Z] <midfavila> on a surface level it seems to have a similar syntax to C so i probably wouldn't be the biggest fan of it but if mcf thinks it's cool i'll defer to his opinion since he's like infinitely more qualified than i am lmao
[2026-01-05T17:29:56Z] <midfavila> it supports closures which is cool
[2026-01-05T17:30:48Z] <midfavila> honestly i'm happy to see people producing small-scale technology that they intend to actually use
[2026-01-05T17:31:08Z] <midfavila> i think that being overreliant on large tech companies is a bad idea 
[2026-01-05T17:31:27Z] <midfavila> i mean, hot take alert, but yeah
[2026-01-05T17:36:08Z] <midfavila> https://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html
[2026-01-05T17:36:11Z] <midfavila> there's also T
[2026-01-05T17:36:14Z] <midfavila> which is very cool
[2026-01-05T17:36:19Z] <midfavila> and uhhhh
[2026-01-05T17:36:20Z] <midfavila> pre-scheme 
[2026-01-05T17:37:10Z] <midfavila> man how cool would it be to get a job writing lisp...
[2026-01-05T17:38:31Z] <fultilt> I actually used T a little, back in the '80s.
[2026-01-05T17:38:42Z] <midfavila> oooh, really!?
[2026-01-05T17:38:57Z] <midfavila> that's crazy, i wouldn't have expected to run into someone who has, let alone here
[2026-01-05T17:39:00Z] <midfavila> how was it???
[2026-01-05T17:40:17Z] <midfavila> and what were you working on, if i can ask?
[2026-01-05T17:42:12Z] <fultilt> I did my senior project in it.  I seem to remember liking it fine, but it was a long time ago...  I also worked for Shank's company (mostly as a sysadmin), they had their own variant of T called CSI Lisp, but I don't think I wrote anything in that.
[2026-01-05T17:42:34Z] <midfavila> that's really neat still
[2026-01-05T17:42:38Z] <midfavila> honestly i'm kind of jealous
[2026-01-05T17:43:16Z] <midfavila> that's all way before my time, but looking at old textbooks, course materials, lectures etcetera from the time it seems like the education that was available was much higher quality
[2026-01-05T17:43:49Z] <midfavila> i have a few textbooks from the 80s and early 90s, and even a few from the 70s iirc 
[2026-01-05T17:44:30Z] <midfavila> the one from the 70s is super cool because it talks about the application of that era's computer technology to military operations in the field. i got it from the library on one of the canadian army bases i used to live on
[2026-01-05T17:46:49Z] <midfavila> sorry it was from 1982
[2026-01-05T17:46:50Z] <midfavila> https://www.abebooks.com/9780080283388/Military-Data-Processing-Microcomputers-Battlefield-0080283381/plp
[2026-01-05T17:46:54Z] <midfavila> it's this one!!!
[2026-01-05T18:01:22Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I can agree to that. 
[2026-01-05T18:01:56Z] <midfavila> re: education quality?
[2026-01-05T18:02:14Z] <midfavila> or..?
[2026-01-05T18:03:39Z] <sad_plan> no, regarding myrddin and replacing big tech stuff
[2026-01-05T18:03:43Z] <midfavila> ah, yeah
[2026-01-05T18:03:56Z] <midfavila> that was what i figured, just wasn't sure since i've yapped more since then lol
[2026-01-05T18:04:16Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk i feel like mainstream technology is kind of just running in circles 
[2026-01-05T18:04:26Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I was afk for some time between then so :p
[2026-01-05T18:04:29Z] <midfavila> fair
[2026-01-05T18:04:31Z] <sad_plan> they kinda do
[2026-01-05T18:04:33Z] <midfavila> i also do just yap a lot
[2026-01-05T18:04:35Z] <midfavila> :V
[2026-01-05T18:04:40Z] <sad_plan> yep :p
[2026-01-05T18:04:56Z] <midfavila> again you would think i would use my blog or something more but every time i sit down to write my brain just ends up completely empty
[2026-01-05T18:04:58Z] <sad_plan> but thats fine. I find that amusing at times
[2026-01-05T18:05:28Z] <sad_plan> I can relate. ive had this draft blogpost sitting for over a year now.
[2026-01-05T18:05:42Z] <sad_plan> ive been meaning to touch it up a bit, and then publish it, but nah
[2026-01-05T18:06:21Z] <sad_plan> ive also been meaning to brush over the previou one, and correct it or something. then move on to something else, but eh.. I dunno man. its not like I belive peoples reading it either lol. 
[2026-01-05T18:06:44Z] <sad_plan> although thats besides the point. I didnt really write it to begin with to become some big blogger on the internet
[2026-01-05T18:07:01Z] <midfavila> idk you'd be surprised
[2026-01-05T18:07:31Z] <midfavila> there have been a few occasions where i've been looking around and randomly find people linking to my site and talking about me
[2026-01-05T18:17:59Z] <sad_plan> perhaps. really? thats either really cool, or really creepy. probably depending on the context I suppose
[2026-01-05T18:19:01Z] <sad_plan> its over a year since I last updated my website. maybe I should have a look at it again. ive been meaning to rewrite my buildscript into either a proper makefile, or maybe an rc script instead, because I find it funny to write everything in rc
[2026-01-05T18:20:53Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: how do you host your website? i dunno if I asked about it before though
[2026-01-05T18:20:56Z] <sad_plan> through sdf?
[2026-01-05T18:21:54Z] <sad_plan> nevermind, I saw what chaosnet.org was. its sdf
[2026-01-05T18:27:13Z] <midfavila> yah
[2026-01-05T18:27:25Z] <midfavila> idk it's not anything major
[2026-01-05T18:27:39Z] <midfavila> just the occasional mention or link back from people who are like a few steps removed from #kisslinux
[2026-01-05T18:29:30Z] <midfavila> ngl tho depending on how things go with the united states in the future i might have to relocate 
[2026-01-05T18:30:04Z] <midfavila> i don't *want* to because i like sdf but yeah
[2026-01-05T18:30:04Z] <midfavila> stuff
[2026-01-05T18:31:39Z] <midfavila> that or i'll try to set up selfhosting 
[2026-01-05T18:31:44Z] <midfavila> i do get a static IP from my ISP...
[2026-01-05T18:32:01Z] <sad_plan> I see. sdf is located in usa?
[2026-01-05T18:32:08Z] <midfavila> seattle iirc
[2026-01-05T18:32:13Z] <sad_plan> ah
[2026-01-05T18:32:17Z] <midfavila> there are branches in other regions of the world though
[2026-01-05T18:32:24Z] <midfavila> there's a branch in europe and another in asia
[2026-01-05T18:32:32Z] <midfavila> i don't think we have a branch in africa
[2026-01-05T18:32:32Z] <sad_plan> well thats kinda iffy. depending on who you ask
[2026-01-05T18:32:34Z] <sad_plan> I see
[2026-01-05T18:32:56Z] <sad_plan> europe is fine, aslong as its not france or UK
[2026-01-05T18:33:15Z] <midfavila> honestly i think i would just self-host if i had to
[2026-01-05T18:33:27Z] <midfavila> it would give me an excuse to fiddle with asterix 
[2026-01-05T18:35:28Z] <midfavila> i would need to get some more hardware though... and that means working more... ugh
[2026-01-05T18:35:44Z] <sad_plan> right. im considering starting to selfhost too, but I kinda wanna have the server run oasis, because thats really cool. buuuut if I wanna host stuff like invidious or other fun stuff, that might be less ideal
[2026-01-05T18:36:39Z] <sad_plan> I would probably just get a vps though, instead of getting real hardware. simply because my household would probably pester me about having *unneeded things* running 24/7
[2026-01-05T18:36:48Z] <midfavila> run stuff inside conty on oasis >:OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[2026-01-05T18:37:02Z] <sad_plan> thats also a possiblity which ive thought about :D
[2026-01-05T18:37:12Z] <midfavila> bro conty is so fucking cool fhdsuiofhgurigfhtureqfgre8fbifwerpfw
[2026-01-05T18:37:17Z] <sad_plan> I agree
[2026-01-05T18:37:58Z] <midfavila> as for running unneeded stuff, i at least don't need to worry too much about that... my lease includes unlimited electricity
[2026-01-05T18:38:40Z] <midfavila> if i was really concerned tho (and if i had a balcony) i would just set up a little solar thingie and run the whole setup off solar
[2026-01-05T18:40:40Z] <sad_plan> for me its been more of a supposed firehazard thats been thrown in my face several times
[2026-01-05T18:40:51Z] <sad_plan> that would be really cool. but wouldnt that be an issue with temps in the winter?
[2026-01-05T18:41:20Z] <midfavila> nah not really
[2026-01-05T18:41:45Z] <midfavila> i uh, actually keep my windows open and heat off in the winter, pff
[2026-01-05T18:42:09Z] <midfavila> my building is so insulated that even just the wimpy electric heater that my apartment has, on its lowest setting, absolutely *cooks* me
[2026-01-05T18:44:34Z] <midfavila> one thing i was thinking of was looking at the schematic for the openwrt one's chassis and modifying it so the bottom panel has the same rail-based mounting system as the top panel
[2026-01-05T18:44:50Z] <midfavila> then maybe redesigning said panels to be double-sided
[2026-01-05T18:45:14Z] <midfavila> so you can stack copies of the chassis atop one another and treat them as a single unit
[2026-01-05T18:45:49Z] <midfavila> router in one, server in another, NAS in a third, then stick them all up
[2026-01-05T18:52:30Z] <sad_plan> lucky you. here it gets cold real quick
[2026-01-05T18:52:33Z] <sad_plan> sounds neat. really spacesaving
[2026-01-05T18:53:36Z] <midfavila> it's like -30C right now
[2026-01-05T18:53:36Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-01-05T18:53:41Z] <midfavila> i just prefer the cold
[2026-01-05T18:55:26Z] <sad_plan> the cold is expensive here, so I prefer some warmer weather. also I hate wearing lots of clothing if I dont have to
[2026-01-05T18:57:36Z] <midfavila> fair
[2026-01-05T18:57:57Z] <midfavila> a while ago i bought myself this huuuuuuge wool coat
[2026-01-05T18:58:02Z] <midfavila> it's enough on its own
[2026-01-05T18:58:13Z] <midfavila> i think it'll outlive me too lol
[2026-01-05T18:58:29Z] <sad_plan> although I do like snow. I like snowboarding with my dad. I also have fond memories of playing in the snow when I was younger. building snowmen, snow fortesses, and throwing snowballs on friends
[2026-01-05T18:58:47Z] <sad_plan> dope. bifl stuff is awesome
[2026-01-05T18:59:11Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2026-01-05T18:59:32Z] <midfavila> i mean, it's expensive, but compared to the shit people here usually buy, it's enough to pay itself back in a couple years' time
[2026-01-05T18:59:48Z] <sad_plan> exacly. buy once, cry once
[2026-01-05T18:59:53Z] <midfavila> it's honestly crazy, people will spend like 300$ every two years to replace their synthetic crap
[2026-01-05T19:00:19Z] <midfavila> when for 600-700 bucks you can get an amazing wool coat that'll keep you warm for the rest of your life and can be easily fixed up at home or at the tailor's
[2026-01-05T19:01:02Z] <midfavila> https://theironsnail.us/products/the-mammoth-wool-jacket
[2026-01-05T19:01:14Z] <sad_plan> yeah. my famility keep telling me a need a new shirt for christmas, or a christmas party, but im like I already have a shirt for this, wym?
[2026-01-05T19:01:39Z] * midfavila nods
[2026-01-05T19:01:50Z] <midfavila> honestly you don't need more than a week's worth of clothes
[2026-01-05T19:01:55Z] <sad_plan> nice. bit oldschool too. i like it
[2026-01-05T19:02:05Z] <midfavila> mmhr
[2026-01-05T19:02:13Z] <sad_plan> I would argue you dont even need more than a weekends worth of clothes
[2026-01-05T19:02:26Z] <sad_plan> which is like 3 shifts tops
[2026-01-05T19:02:29Z] <midfavila> goes nicely with my brown tweed cap - w-
[2026-01-05T19:02:31Z] <midfavila> and yeah that's true
[2026-01-05T19:02:35Z] <sad_plan> nice
[2026-01-05T19:02:43Z] <midfavila> aside from undergarments ofc
[2026-01-05T19:03:11Z] <midfavila> but for like, base layers, you can just wear the same pair of pants for a while as long as you aren't, you know, rolling around in the mud or whatever. especially if they're jeans or similar
[2026-01-05T19:03:27Z] <midfavila> the company levis for example recommends only actually washing your jeans once a month at most 
[2026-01-05T19:03:30Z] <midfavila> iirc
[2026-01-05T19:03:44Z] <midfavila> the CEO came out and was like 'you guys are fucking doing it wrong stop it what the hell'
[2026-01-05T19:04:31Z] <midfavila> https://www.businessinsider.com/levis-ceo-dont-wash-your-jeans-2014-7
[2026-01-05T19:05:27Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I think people can easily wear their clothes 3-4 days even without an issue. except underwear obviously, and maybe tshirts, depending on wether you sweat a lot or not
[2026-01-05T19:05:33Z] <sad_plan> lol, yeah Ive heard about that
[2026-01-05T19:05:57Z] <midfavila> yeah i mean obviously if you're exercising a ton maybe don't wear the same shirt two days in a row lol
[2026-01-05T19:06:18Z] <midfavila> people who do ultra-long-distance cycling, like hundreds or thousands of km in one trip, usually only bring 2-3 outfits at most
[2026-01-05T19:06:32Z] <sad_plan> correct.
[2026-01-05T19:06:45Z] <midfavila> they'll air out the day's outfit overnight, wear the second the next day, and alternate from thereon out
[2026-01-05T19:06:54Z] <sad_plan> if you look at ultralight hikers doing pct or at, they dont bring nearly as much stuff as youd think. and theire out for months lol
[2026-01-05T19:07:01Z] <midfavila> if you use materials like wool or hemp you can get by for quite awhile with just airing stuff out
[2026-01-05T19:07:06Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2026-01-05T19:07:20Z] <sad_plan> exacly. its all about the material
[2026-01-05T19:07:22Z] <midfavila> honestly i blame petrol for so much in the degradation of everyday goods
[2026-01-05T19:08:22Z] <midfavila> wooden spoons replaced by plastic that melts into your food, cast iron replaced by sheet steel coated in teflon, wool, hemp, and cotton replaced by polyester, spandex, and nylon...
[2026-01-05T19:08:22Z] <sad_plan> well, perhaps theyre partly at fault, but its still because of capitalism. like it always is. and I hate it so intensly. I want quality good which never breaks, or atleast breaks much less often, and is easily repairable...
[2026-01-05T19:08:34Z] <midfavila> well, this is just a symptom of capitalism
[2026-01-05T19:08:42Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2026-01-05T19:08:49Z] <midfavila> so yeah ultimately like 95% of the world's problems are like
[2026-01-05T19:08:51Z] <midfavila> just capitailsm
[2026-01-05T19:08:53Z] <midfavila> capitalism
[2026-01-05T19:08:58Z] <sad_plan> correct
[2026-01-05T19:09:06Z] <midfavila> >there's a problem
[2026-01-05T19:09:08Z] <midfavila> >look inside
[2026-01-05T19:09:11Z] <midfavila> >whoops! all capitalism!
[2026-01-05T19:09:16Z] <midfavila> fuckin shoot me ugh
[2026-01-05T19:09:37Z] <sad_plan> I feel you
[2026-01-05T19:09:42Z] <midfavila> i just want to play with computers and bicycles, not overthrow the global socioeconomic order, man
[2026-01-05T19:10:25Z] <midfavila> i think that in some small way people's mindsets are changing though
[2026-01-05T19:10:37Z] <sad_plan> the strangest thing about it people dont even realize it. they realize some problem somewhere, and then come up with all kinds of crazy reasons for why this is the case, thorws blame all around, yet forget that the blame is 99.9999% always capitalism
[2026-01-05T19:10:46Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2026-01-05T19:10:57Z] <midfavila> the strangeness is just because of american propaganda
[2026-01-05T19:11:09Z] <midfavila> people have been brainwashed into thinking capitalism == freedom 
[2026-01-05T19:11:12Z] <sad_plan> yeah, people seem to be *waking up*. in a sense
[2026-01-05T19:11:15Z] <midfavila> and freedom == good
[2026-01-05T19:11:23Z] <midfavila> and communism == bad
[2026-01-05T19:11:33Z] <midfavila> therefore anything bad == communism and anything good == capitalism
[2026-01-05T19:11:55Z] <sad_plan> i know, and its just stupid. money doesnt equal freedom. sure, money can bring you decent things, that would otherwise be more difficult to get your hands on, but still
[2026-01-05T19:12:02Z] <midfavila> and then people are just satisfied with that without ever interrgating the fact that that means capitalism being good becomes tautological
[2026-01-05T19:12:04Z] <sad_plan> lol, good one
[2026-01-05T19:12:11Z] <midfavila> it's not even about money
[2026-01-05T19:12:17Z] <sad_plan> right
[2026-01-05T19:12:21Z] <midfavila> it's about political power and who gets to make decisions
[2026-01-05T19:12:44Z] <sad_plan> yeah
[2026-01-05T19:12:51Z] <midfavila> 'government' should be the result of citizens collectively taking action, in all forms
[2026-01-05T19:13:02Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2026-01-05T19:13:17Z] <midfavila> 'government' is just as much deciding who's working what hours and what's being worked on as voting on concrete legislation is
[2026-01-05T19:13:29Z] <midfavila> the problem is that capitalism permits the cordoning-off of those areas from democracy 
[2026-01-05T19:14:03Z] <midfavila> idk give it another fifty years
[2026-01-05T19:14:12Z] <midfavila> either capitalism ends the planet or the planet ends capitalism
[2026-01-05T19:15:54Z] <sad_plan> yeah, i have no idea which one we end up. but i know ill probably either be dead already, or retired before anything worthwhile happens
[2026-01-05T19:16:05Z] <midfavila> >he thinks he's retiring
[2026-01-05T19:16:08Z] <midfavila> that's funny
[2026-01-05T19:16:54Z] <midfavila> idk considering america is still going hard on that oil i'm pretty sure we're going to blow past our climate goals to the point that large portions of the planet near the equator will become uninhabitable
[2026-01-05T19:17:15Z] <midfavila> parts of central america are already being threatened by rising oceans threatening to swallow them up entirely
[2026-01-05T19:17:23Z] <midfavila> like small island nations and stuff
[2026-01-05T19:17:51Z] <midfavila> parts of australia's outback are becoming too hot to sustain human life 
[2026-01-05T19:18:05Z] <midfavila> canada can grow tropical fruit now
[2026-01-05T19:18:06Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2026-01-05T19:18:17Z] <midfavila> canadian pineapples coming to a store near you
[2026-01-05T19:18:35Z] <sad_plan> lol, yeah ive thought about the fact about me retiring or not. the retiring age now is 62, but its actually being moved to 67. by the time im able to retire, ill either be dead, or my health is so poor that it dont matter anyway..
[2026-01-05T19:18:45Z] <midfavila> pretty much
[2026-01-05T19:18:53Z] <midfavila> idk i've accepted that i'll probably die before my parents
[2026-01-05T19:19:06Z] <midfavila> food is shit, climate is shit, economy is shit
[2026-01-05T19:19:16Z] <midfavila> everything is conspiring to kill people off 
[2026-01-05T19:19:51Z] <midfavila> there *definitely* won't be any retiring
[2026-01-05T19:20:10Z] <midfavila> canada's pension programme has been drained dry by both boomers and the government's mismanagement of the pension fund 
[2026-01-05T19:20:21Z] <sad_plan> something like that
[2026-01-05T19:20:33Z] <midfavila> the crown corporation (government owned company) responsible for managing the CPP (federal retirement fund) took an 'active' approach
[2026-01-05T19:20:48Z] <midfavila> so they would invest in a stock, wait for it to go up, and then sell it off instead of just holding
[2026-01-05T19:21:08Z] <midfavila> they managed to match or beat the market pretty consistently for twentyish years and then in one year they lost every single cent they'd earned
[2026-01-05T19:21:15Z] <midfavila> :^)
[2026-01-05T19:21:15Z] <sad_plan> im considering just getting rid of everything and just vagabond instead, so that I can atleast have some fun years before I end up shived in some strange corner of the world.. as opposed to working another 40-50 years to at this shitty factory
[2026-01-05T19:21:26Z] <midfavila> i mean honestly same
[2026-01-05T19:21:47Z] <midfavila> that or getting some friends and buying some old government camp that was installed out in the middle of nowhere
[2026-01-05T19:21:56Z] <midfavila> just have a little commune or something
[2026-01-05T19:22:19Z] <sad_plan> that could work too I guess
[2026-01-05T19:22:55Z] <midfavila> i found a camp in northern alberta that was mostly self-sufficient and had full barracks for fifty people
[2026-01-05T19:23:04Z] <midfavila> plus like ten acres of land including a river
[2026-01-05T19:23:13Z] <midfavila> government was selling it off for 500kCAD
[2026-01-05T19:23:51Z] <midfavila> mind you, it was like a five hour drive from edmonton, the nearest major city, but you could totally send a couple guys out in a truck or whatever every other week to grab stuff that's needed
[2026-01-05T19:24:22Z] <sad_plan> i think the US also has some land in the middle of but fuck nowhere for you to buy for pocketchange, but its as inacceccable as you can get more or less. its also in the US, which isnt exacly something to celebrate
[2026-01-05T19:24:51Z] <midfavila> yeahhh
[2026-01-05T19:25:29Z] <midfavila> honestly though i think being able to buy land on the cheap isn't particularly good
[2026-01-05T19:25:32Z] <midfavila> like
[2026-01-05T19:25:33Z] <sad_plan> I watched a show earlier last year, of people who lived really remotly. some spent the ENTIERE day just to go to the shop and sell som shit and get back
[2026-01-05T19:25:44Z] <midfavila> you can get 50 acres of untouched forestry here for 50kCAD in the middle of ontario
[2026-01-05T19:25:48Z] <sad_plan> like 16 hours of just travelign back and forth
[2026-01-05T19:25:50Z] <midfavila> but it's not worth jack to regular people
[2026-01-05T19:26:18Z] <sad_plan> sounds like a real deal, except for the fact its in the middle of nowhere lol
[2026-01-05T19:26:31Z] <sad_plan> but if thats what you want, I dont see anything wrong with going for something like that
[2026-01-05T19:28:57Z] <sad_plan> I have considered buying some land somewhere on the outscirts of the city, just to get away from everyone, and build something really simple. but id be terribly lonely, and I would probably hate it after a while. but its either that or agabonding, maybe with a car/van or some shit to have an ounce of comfort
[2026-01-05T19:30:07Z] <sad_plan> you know, like either a decent log hut, or some stupid simple shanty shack. issue is its cold here, so a terribly simple shanty shack would be cold as hell
[2026-01-05T19:39:42Z] <midfavila> idk if you build it out of logs or w/e it would be pretty warm
[2026-01-05T20:12:09Z] <sad_plan> yep. loghouses can be really warm if built correctly. and can even last you a lifetime, and the some if treatet properly too
[2026-01-05T21:11:23Z] <midfavila> oh my god protonmail's UX is garbage
[2026-01-05T21:11:26Z] <midfavila> it's so sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
[2026-01-05T21:11:58Z] <midfavila> that's part of why i want to set up my own stuff ugh
[2026-01-05T21:12:06Z] <midfavila> if i could just use xmh...
[2026-01-05T23:26:23Z] <midfavila> bro what the fuck PBS is shutting down
[2026-01-05T23:26:42Z] <midfavila> or, well, their primary funding source is
[2026-01-05T23:27:19Z] <midfavila> the corporation for public broadcasting manages funding allocation for publically-funded american media like NPR and PBS and they just voted themselves out of existence because the fed cut off their money