[2026-01-09T01:52:22Z] sounds cool [2026-01-09T01:52:38Z] I wonder how much compatibility it has by using swc tho [2026-01-09T01:53:09Z] since it wants to support the "bare minimum", lots of QoL features are probably going to be missing [2026-01-09T01:53:43Z] like fractional scaling [2026-01-09T01:55:24Z] yeah, swc is lacking in lots of features. i know firefox doesnt work in velox, which is also swc based, buut I dont recall wether this was a velox thing, or a swc thing tbqh.. [2026-01-09T01:57:04Z] derive linux might also be interesting. reminds me of oasis, but instead of using samurai and lua scripts to build the whole thing, it uses just shell. has bsd-like port tree aswell [2026-01-09T01:57:26Z] maybe midfavila likes this^ or can use it for something anyhow [2026-01-09T02:08:26Z] as usual I'm all in for more distros [2026-01-09T02:20:23Z] yeah, im all for it, but mostly so if it actually bring something new to the table. meaning not ubuntu with another wm or DE. which is just silly to me [2026-01-09T02:22:43Z] pretty sure ubuntu has xfce, kde and so on in their distros, so distros lie xubuntu doesnt make much sense to me [2026-01-09T02:24:43Z] I think the idea is that it's preconfigured [2026-01-09T02:24:52Z] just like the various fedora flavors [2026-01-09T02:24:59Z] debian makes you choose when installing iirc which is nice [2026-01-09T02:28:38Z] welp [2026-01-09T02:28:42Z] lvm2 does not build with ugrep [2026-01-09T02:36:05Z] i am definitely not nervous about going live in front of potentially thousands of people shortly [2026-01-09T02:39:22Z] well, yeah sure, that might just be the case, but imo, theres no reason for ubuntu not to just follow debians footstreps in this regard, thus making xubuntu obsolete [2026-01-09T02:39:30Z] you can do it kris_ [2026-01-09T02:39:34Z] im rootin for you [2026-01-09T02:40:05Z] good thing i fixed obs [2026-01-09T02:40:16Z] xdg-desktop-portal-wlr 8.0 and 8.1 have fucked up screen capture [2026-01-09T02:41:56Z] who wouldve thought. updating a working system breaks things from time to time [2026-01-09T02:42:15Z] im actually suprised my cachyos has not broken even one time [2026-01-09T02:43:44Z] i usually update my desktop every day [2026-01-09T02:44:00Z] void does a really good job at making sure things don't break [2026-01-09T02:44:13Z] ive been bitten like twice i think in the past few years [2026-01-09T02:50:15Z] yeah I update my desktop fairly reguralry too, but not every day. its more like maybe once or twice a wee. depending on the number of updates or wether or not I feel like it [2026-01-09T02:50:40Z] ive actually broken my old kiss install more times than I can count though. which is ironic perhaps [2026-01-09T02:50:53Z] mostly because of me messing with it though. not due to updates [2026-01-09T02:52:29Z] a lot of those times, its me ruining my kernel config [2026-01-09T02:52:38Z] i dont think ive ever actually done my own kernel config [2026-01-09T02:52:46Z] i just pull voids and use that [2026-01-09T02:54:31Z] you should totally do a make allnoconfig [2026-01-09T02:54:47Z] its all fun and games [2026-01-09T02:54:48Z] i'm spoiled for hardware so i rarely see a point [2026-01-09T02:54:59Z] voids big fat all-systems bloated config takes maybe 8 minutes to compile for me [2026-01-09T02:55:37Z] you're going to hate this but i'm considering giving gnu guix a try on desktop [2026-01-09T02:57:11Z] never trie guix, but from what ive read it has a very.. peculiar way of doing things. or maybe thats just part of it. I dont recall [2026-01-09T02:57:27Z] i tried it in a VM a while ago and couldnt really understand how to use it [2026-01-09T02:57:33Z] im thinking of the way they buil things, aswell as the bootstrapping process [2026-01-09T02:57:34Z] but i think i just need to actually use it in order to understand it [2026-01-09T02:57:54Z] thats often the case when presente with new things [2026-01-09T02:57:56Z] theoretically it seems like a way for me to get what i want out of nixos [2026-01-09T02:58:03Z] because nixos wont provide what i want [2026-01-09T02:58:24Z] nixos is a really cool concept atleast. never tried it myself [2026-01-09T02:58:31Z] ive used nixos a lot [2026-01-09T02:58:32Z] what do you need, that nixos doesnt provide? [2026-01-09T02:58:35Z] it's fucking incredible [2026-01-09T02:58:48Z] sad_plan: i'm a bit of a nut with boot chain security [2026-01-09T02:58:59Z] nixos isn't built with using a UKI and proper actual full disk encryption in mind [2026-01-09T02:59:00Z] I suppose it is. one config for your whole system. easy way to step back if things break. sounds amazing [2026-01-09T02:59:03Z] you can do it with guix [2026-01-09T02:59:20Z] I see [2026-01-09T02:59:33Z] ive used nixos on machines i need to rapidly scale [2026-01-09T02:59:49Z] back when i was setting up a minecraft server network we bought a dedi from hetzner and set up nixos as the base and declared some alpine containers to actually run minecraft in [2026-01-09T02:59:49Z] why doesnt this work well with nixos? because theyr init scripts is shoddy or something? [2026-01-09T03:00:00Z] the dedi is now gone but i can have a new one up identical to the one i had set up before with 1 command, its insane [2026-01-09T03:00:03Z] containers and all [2026-01-09T03:00:09Z] it's like if ansible didn't suck [2026-01-09T03:01:12Z] does ansible really suck though? wolfgang from wolfgang's channel seems to like it. although he doesnt seem to favor minimalistic stuff [2026-01-09T03:01:18Z] it depends on the admin [2026-01-09T03:01:26Z] ansible can't ensure state and allows for untracked changes [2026-01-09T03:01:33Z] with nixos you literally can't change things external to the configs [2026-01-09T03:01:50Z] so if you're working with other people, ansible is bound to lead to some admin making some change external to ansible and therefore it isn't tracked [2026-01-09T03:02:01Z] I see [2026-01-09T04:47:24Z] https://youtu.be/m-3RJaKcw_4?si=LADdqqVStF0EvIO4 [2026-01-09T04:48:05Z] Unix artifact uncovered [2026-01-09T09:01:01Z] ,miau [2026-01-09T16:13:36Z] sad_plan: derive looks pretty similar to what i'm working on [2026-01-09T16:14:27Z] i'm sure that derive and kiss will be able to work together nicely [2026-01-09T16:16:45Z] hevel seems nice, but it's also based on >wayland [2026-01-09T16:59:59Z] yes, but its based on swc though, not wlroots. which makes it mesa-less [2026-01-09T17:00:35Z] im kinda intregued by being mesa-less, but it also makes games mostly a no-go due to the lack of performance [2026-01-09T17:00:45Z] some older games might work though [2026-01-09T17:08:29Z] idk i use Xfbdev so performance isn't exactly a big deal [2026-01-09T18:49:54Z] im aware. i wasnt too iffy about the performance in it either, before I tested it on my old ultrawide screen. that was less than ideal :p [2026-01-09T21:59:21Z] https://sr.ht/~dlm/hevel/ [2026-01-09T22:01:43Z] Ive been considering switching to wayland since kiss supports it but cwm was holding me back until this wm droped [2026-01-09T22:02:34Z] pressure: yeah I linked this yesterday. seems interesting.p probably the most interesting *feature*, is that it uses swc, which does not require mesa [2026-01-09T22:03:17Z] I always wished cwm combined stacking with scrolling and this does just that! plus it has inspiration from plan9, Its almost too perfect [2026-01-09T22:04:14Z] right. yeah the plan9 idea is indeed interesting [2026-01-09T22:04:29Z] not too sure about the whole lack of keybindings though [2026-01-09T22:05:23Z] Its a bit like 2bwm where you config before compiling it [2026-01-09T22:06:53Z] well sure, but 2wm has keybindings for the keyboard aswell. hevel only has bindings for the mouse. thats it [2026-01-09T22:08:43Z] https://chawan.net/index.html [2026-01-09T22:10:00Z] Have you seen this yet? [2026-01-09T22:11:06Z] I have seen this in the past, or atleast I think I have. [2026-01-09T22:11:11Z] The main dependency seems to be nim. we barely make the minimum of having version 2.0 in our community repo [2026-01-09T22:11:23Z] im not super impressed by the fact that its written in nim, but ok [2026-01-09T22:11:30Z] can probably just be bumped [2026-01-09T22:12:36Z] sad_plan: I think its a promising project. Its a tui browsee that supports downloading among other things [2026-01-09T22:14:39Z] sad_plan: I wish they wrote it in lisp personally but nim is cool too. from what i heard it has decent metaprogramming capability [2026-01-09T22:15:06Z] I wish it was written in C, but thats just me [2026-01-09T22:15:13Z] though i dont think id try to learn nim to extend it [2026-01-09T22:15:51Z] sad_plan: yeah, goes without saying that c is pretty solid [2026-01-09T22:17:01Z] using C lowers the bar to build it. doesnt require anything extra, which we dont already have installed. which would be a huge plus [2026-01-09T22:19:13Z] What intrigues me about the project is that the author wrote their own web framework. Forgive the generalization but to me Its kinda like ladybird in that way. [2026-01-09T22:21:22Z] hm, nice