[2026-01-16T01:26:39Z] <kris_> yeah pretty much
[2026-01-16T01:26:56Z] <kris_> when i had my keyboard parts delivered i literally witnessed the DHL driver drive past my house and then i got a notification that it couldn't be delivered
[2026-01-16T01:27:01Z] <kris_> though i guess that was just him
[2026-01-16T03:16:51Z] <midfavila> classic
[2026-01-16T03:16:58Z] <midfavila> speaking of keyboard parts mine just shipped
[2026-01-16T03:17:40Z] <midfavila> also, speaking of parts and hardware and stuff more generally, man, i love ikea, legitimately, but dude, the fact that they will just discontinue parts of a product line makes me so mad...
[2026-01-16T03:17:51Z] <midfavila> or they'll only sell half the product line in one region and half the product line in another
[2026-01-16T03:18:52Z] <midfavila> like i kinda get it if it's a limited-edition or regional special edition or whatever, but this is just mundane stuff that's supposed to come as a set
[2026-01-16T03:19:07Z] <midfavila> like they'll sell a showerhead in one region but not the holder, and the holder in another region but not the head
[2026-01-16T03:19:10Z] <midfavila> ???
[2026-01-16T03:30:08Z] <midfavila> or like, a desk but not a bedframe, and vice versa
[2026-01-16T12:12:01Z] <phoebos> nice blog post dylan. I agree a release model would make it easier for maintainers to polish the distribution but also not spend so much time updating packages constantly
[2026-01-16T12:13:08Z] <phoebos> but ultimately KISS is too self-sufficient for that to make much difference
[2026-01-16T12:14:02Z] <phoebos> why create a "cohesive" distribution when every user has a unique distribution and repos?
[2026-01-16T12:14:26Z] <phoebos> so yes, for a cohesive system, go to a BSD
[2026-01-16T12:15:47Z] <phoebos> if only Julia would compile on OpenBSD...
[2026-01-16T13:52:17Z] <sad_plan> while ive never understood the whole versioning of distros or bsd's like openbsd and fedora does, I dont see why this wouldnt be possible on kiss
[2026-01-16T13:52:26Z] <sad_plan> is it the lack of testing thats the issue?
[2026-01-16T13:52:37Z] <sad_plan> i mean, appart from he whole self-sufficient thing though
[2026-01-16T17:14:55Z] <midfavila> i don't think versioning of kiss would be meaningful
[2026-01-16T17:15:39Z] <midfavila> oh wait phoebos did dylan update his blog?
[2026-01-16T18:17:21Z] <kris_> midfavila: he did
[2026-01-16T18:17:23Z] <kris_> there are a few more posts now
[2026-01-16T18:38:24Z] <midfavila> https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2026/01/15/wikipedia-turns-25-sells-access-to-amazon-meta-microsoft-and-other-ai-giants/
[2026-01-16T18:38:27Z] <midfavila> GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
[2026-01-16T18:38:36Z] <midfavila> now i have to add a copy of the brittanica to my wishlist!
[2026-01-16T18:39:00Z] <midfavila> kris_: post link
[2026-01-16T18:39:03Z] <midfavila> dewit
[2026-01-16T18:39:03Z] <midfavila> rn
[2026-01-16T18:39:10Z] <kris_> https://dylan.gr/
[2026-01-16T18:39:14Z] <midfavila> tysm <3
[2026-01-16T18:40:36Z] <midfavila> awwwwwww he mentioned us
[2026-01-16T18:40:53Z] <midfavila> i knew you monitored #kisslinux, dylan, you glorious bastard
[2026-01-16T18:41:02Z] <midfavila> come say hi to us once in a while >:C
[2026-01-16T18:41:10Z] <kris_> he was here yesterday
[2026-01-16T18:41:11Z] <midfavila> kris_ can make you tea
[2026-01-16T18:41:13Z] <midfavila> what
[2026-01-16T18:41:14Z] <midfavila> no way
[2026-01-16T18:41:20Z] <kris_> yeah he dropped in to say hi
[2026-01-16T18:41:25Z] <kris_> why should i make tea
[2026-01-16T18:41:33Z] <kris_> i had to take a break because the milk was fucking up my stomach
[2026-01-16T18:41:37Z] <kris_> they call me Lactose The Intolerant
[2026-01-16T18:41:45Z] <midfavila> when did he drop in!?!
[2026-01-16T18:41:51Z] <midfavila> there are no logs at least from last night
[2026-01-16T18:41:59Z] <kris_> search for dylan52
[2026-01-16T18:42:09Z] <kris_> i have client logs
[2026-01-16T18:42:19Z] <midfavila> oh wait there he is!!!
[2026-01-16T18:42:25Z] <midfavila> 16:12 dylan52
[2026-01-16T18:43:01Z] <midfavila> dylan52 what do you grow on your farm aside from olives and shit and do you have opinions on textile crops or different tubers
[2026-01-16T18:43:30Z] <midfavila> i've been thinking of starting a garden with some frens to grow sunchokes 
[2026-01-16T18:45:45Z] <midfavila> man they're so cool 
[2026-01-16T18:45:54Z] <midfavila> they don't even like, seed new sunchokes
[2026-01-16T18:45:55Z] <midfavila> they just
[2026-01-16T18:46:06Z] <kris_> mid how do you feel about zig
[2026-01-16T18:46:07Z] <midfavila> bud and then the bud splits off and grows a new identical sunchoke
[2026-01-16T18:46:12Z] <midfavila> they're like
[2026-01-16T18:46:15Z] <midfavila> clonetatoes
[2026-01-16T18:46:23Z] <midfavila> zig seems fine i guess
[2026-01-16T18:46:29Z] <midfavila> it's another C-likek
[2026-01-16T18:46:37Z] <midfavila> fucking k key is busted
[2026-01-16T18:46:37Z] <midfavila> ugh
[2026-01-16T18:46:53Z] <midfavila> idk i think zig is fine but i don't see much point in it
[2026-01-16T18:47:01Z] <kris_> the dead code trimming thing is interesting
[2026-01-16T18:47:16Z] <midfavila> the only application i've ever considered using that's written in zig is sxmo's map software
[2026-01-16T18:47:25Z] <kris_> kiss-ng for me
[2026-01-16T18:47:36Z] <kris_> seems to fix the issues i have with the kiss package manager
[2026-01-16T18:47:42Z] <midfavila> i'm just going to use make to manage packages
[2026-01-16T18:47:44Z] <midfavila> make and pm
[2026-01-16T18:48:00Z] <midfavila> pm to install, remove, and upgrade, and make to actually build
[2026-01-16T18:48:39Z] <kris_> im just trying to figure out if theres a way to interact with landlock from a shell script
[2026-01-16T18:48:43Z] <kris_> for dat sandboxing
[2026-01-16T18:48:48Z] <midfavila> never even heard of landlock
[2026-01-16T18:48:54Z] <midfavila> sounds like a rust project
[2026-01-16T18:48:56Z] <kris_> its linuxs new equivalent to openbsds pledge/unveil tldr
[2026-01-16T18:48:58Z] <kris_> its kernel level
[2026-01-16T18:49:06Z] <kris_> https://docs.kernel.org/userspace-api/landlock.html
[2026-01-16T18:49:08Z] <midfavila> oh
[2026-01-16T18:49:09Z] <midfavila> meh
[2026-01-16T18:50:22Z] <midfavila> https://t2linux.com/packages/mepo
[2026-01-16T18:51:12Z] <midfavila> oh huh this t2 site is pretty nifty
[2026-01-16T18:51:21Z] <midfavila> apparently it's its own source-based distro
[2026-01-16T18:51:23Z] <midfavila> never heard of it
[2026-01-16T18:52:37Z] <midfavila> WAIT WHAT
[2026-01-16T18:52:39Z] <midfavila> THIS IS GONE TOO 
[2026-01-16T18:52:42Z] <midfavila> OFF OF SOURCEHUT
[2026-01-16T18:53:03Z] <midfavila> wait no the url just changed lol
[2026-01-16T18:53:04Z] <midfavila> false alarm
[2026-01-16T18:53:07Z] <midfavila> https://git.sr.ht/~mil/mepo
[2026-01-16T19:02:22Z] <kris_> never heard of it
[2026-01-16T19:02:56Z] <kris_> tbh the only source distros that come to mind for me are kiss, crux, sourcemage, gentoo
[2026-01-16T19:03:13Z] <kris_> and void if you want it to be but nobody does that
[2026-01-16T19:03:15Z] <midfavila> slackware my beloved
[2026-01-16T19:03:30Z] <kris_> i really wish something that didnt suck had gentoos use flag feature
[2026-01-16T19:03:35Z] <kris_> its so cool
[2026-01-16T19:07:08Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I didnt see the post phoebos talked about regarding bsd. but I dont think this is possible on linux in general, unless some distro takes a turn and makes things more like bsd. i.e. more integration. i think the issue is mostly that one project, like kiss for example, doesnt really have any of the tool neccessary for a complete system. thus making the interegration like openbsd has
[2026-01-16T19:07:10Z] <sad_plan> unfeasable
[2026-01-16T19:07:25Z] <sad_plan> is unfeasable
[2026-01-16T19:09:05Z] <midfavila> well, dylan talks about it in his blogpost
[2026-01-16T19:09:29Z] <midfavila> i can kind of see the point he's making but i also think that kiss essentially just being a pile of junk loosely held together with glue is like, a good thing
[2026-01-16T19:09:47Z] <midfavila> it's a little crusty at first, sure, but it makes it easy to tweak and tune it until it's just right for *you*
[2026-01-16T19:11:31Z] <kris_> i think all of gentoos shortcomings are directly due to how integrated it is with itself
[2026-01-16T19:11:35Z] <kris_> mostly
[2026-01-16T19:11:39Z] <kris_> some are just bad decisions
[2026-01-16T19:18:58Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I can agree with that
[2026-01-16T19:19:12Z] <sad_plan> its greatest weaknesss, is also its greatest strength so to speak
[2026-01-16T19:23:22Z] <midfavila> ye
[2026-01-16T19:23:24Z] <midfavila> btw 
[2026-01-16T19:23:31Z] <midfavila> is illiliti ever around?
[2026-01-16T19:23:40Z] <kris_> i havent seen them in here in a while
[2026-01-16T19:24:04Z] <midfavila> hope they're okay
[2026-01-16T19:24:04Z] <midfavila> :c
[2026-01-16T19:39:00Z] <kris_> idk the last thing i heard from them was them letting me know ipv6 was broken on my website
[2026-01-16T19:39:11Z] <kris_> like, months ago
[2026-01-16T19:39:20Z] <kris_> (i just didnt set up ipv6 because i didnt think anyone would care)
[2026-01-16T19:41:18Z] <sad_plan> whois ilt
[2026-01-16T19:41:25Z] <sad_plan> ffs
[2026-01-16T19:42:15Z] <sad_plan> hm, he switched to ilt, but I cant get a grip on any of the names atm. he has in the past said he watches the logs though
[2026-01-16T19:42:23Z] <sad_plan> maybe he got drafted after all?
[2026-01-16T19:43:01Z] <kris_> no activity on github or codeberg as of recent
[2026-01-16T19:43:37Z] <sad_plan> I was just going to mention that aswell.
[2026-01-16T19:52:42Z] <midfavila> yeah i do recall that he was worried about getting drafted...
[2026-01-16T19:52:48Z] <kris_> where is he from?
[2026-01-16T19:52:55Z] <midfavila> russia
[2026-01-16T19:53:00Z] <midfavila> iirc
[2026-01-16T20:09:19Z] <midfavila> kris_: you should look at femto emacs btw
[2026-01-16T20:09:23Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/hughbarney/femto
[2026-01-16T20:09:34Z] <midfavila> tiny lil' emacs that still has its own extension language
[2026-01-16T20:13:00Z] <pressure> can it run slime? 
[2026-01-16T20:14:49Z] <midfavila> you would have to port it
[2026-01-16T20:14:52Z] <midfavila> but like
[2026-01-16T20:15:05Z] <midfavila> in theory i don't see why you couldn't implement a slime repl?
[2026-01-16T20:15:18Z] <midfavila> it's just a protocol for interacting with a lisp repl
[2026-01-16T20:24:49Z] <midfavila> man i fuckin love computers dude they're so cool 
[2026-01-16T21:03:52Z] <kris_> computers make me angy
[2026-01-16T21:03:59Z] <kris_> god theres so much maintenance i need to do on my vps
[2026-01-16T21:04:05Z] <kris_> ive just been vibing for a while and havent updated it in months
[2026-01-16T21:05:09Z] <midfavila> kris deltarune fuwwious at bingbongs