[2026-01-30T08:51:31Z] <dery> so uh, why do we disable crt-static by default on rust?
[2026-01-30T08:51:36Z] <dery> some stuff like niri does not build without it
[2026-01-30T08:54:28Z] <rfaa> would also be nice to add rust-analyzer-proc-macro-srv in the tools array for rust, otherwise macros won't work correctly in helix
[2026-01-30T10:34:34Z] <sad_plan> dery: probably because whoever packaged it figured we dont need it :p
[2026-01-30T10:35:02Z] <sad_plan> rfaa: are you still on kiss? havent seen you here in quite some time now
[2026-01-30T10:49:48Z] <sad_plan> wait, what, mobile nixos is appearnalty a thing now
[2026-01-30T10:49:50Z] <sad_plan> https://mobile-nixos.github.io/mobile-nixos/index.html
[2026-01-30T11:18:59Z] <rfaa> sad_plan: still am! will probably still use it until this 16y old machine breaks down
[2026-01-30T13:13:29Z] <sad_plan> rfaa: dope. why wouldnt you continue to use whenever that machine breaks down?
[2026-01-30T13:17:09Z] <sad_plan> im at that point that everything but kiss is just outrageously complex. i was reading the manpages for pacman and paru yesterday on my desktop, and theres a baffeling amount of flags to choose from. cachyOS is really comfy though despite pacman being a mess
[2026-01-30T13:18:09Z] <sad_plan> I should really look more into fixing my oakiss install here, and ditch cachyOS alltogether. but I wanna get lto working first, and possibly build llvm proper first aswell. to regain *some* semeblance of optimizasions :p
[2026-01-30T13:53:38Z] <dery> sad_plan: welp, looks like we kinda need it :P
[2026-01-30T13:53:46Z] <dery> doesn't help that the patch changing the default says "fix musl platform"
[2026-01-30T14:03:24Z] <sad_plan> why do we need it? I dont have anything requiring rust on my system, but im guessing if you build firefox, youd need it atleast :p
[2026-01-30T14:03:49Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I really do hate the naming schemes for the patches..... theyre teribly sloppy, and doesnt really explain anything
[2026-01-30T14:05:21Z] <sad_plan> a properly formatted and descriptive patch is what I wouldve wanted, but I see it all across the board, with patches not really telling us what theyre really fixing
[2026-01-30T14:05:35Z] <sad_plan> its a bit of a 'trust me bro' moment
[2026-01-30T14:05:47Z] <sad_plan> s/moment/thing/
[2026-01-30T14:07:02Z] <sad_plan> oasis does a really good job there, but thats just oasis. its the same on arch, kiss, chimeralinux, alpine. most places. oasis is really the only place where its consistently good
[2026-01-30T14:09:51Z] <sad_plan> atleast to my knowledge. ive tried to follow in oasis' footsteps on oakiss, but im not always as good to properly describe what each patch does. same with seds or that type of change aswell. its not always described why theyre there. which it technically should do, atleast in kiss' case
[2026-01-30T14:25:38Z] <dery> from my (extremely limited) research it looks like musl doesn't support dynamic loading from static executables
[2026-01-30T14:25:47Z] <dery> this means that a whole category of software just... doesn't work.
[2026-01-30T17:44:59Z] <sad_plan> static binaries doesnt support dynamic loading at all, so that makes sense
[2026-01-30T17:45:13Z] <sad_plan> but last time I checked, rust wasnt built statically linked either?
[2026-01-30T17:53:25Z] <dery> well not rust itself
[2026-01-30T17:53:29Z] <dery> the issue here is with other stuff
[2026-01-30T17:53:55Z] <dery> like clang-sys apparently
[2026-01-30T18:32:24Z] <sad_plan> hm.. I see