[2026-02-02T00:34:33Z] I don't understand why the package manager is telling me there is nothing to do when trying to update [2026-02-02T00:34:51Z] I checked the repos and they are all updated with a git pull [2026-02-02T00:35:03Z] but the packages need updates [2026-02-02T00:58:39Z] I got it [2026-02-02T00:59:09Z] I had to login to root user instead of su to be able to get the .profile to apply [2026-02-02T05:42:13Z] jason123onirc: theres a difference between kiss U and kiss u. [2026-02-02T05:43:32Z] sad_plan, I noticed that and I did both but I realized that I had to login as root instead of su [2026-02-02T05:43:34Z] regarding .profile, you have to source it if you make changes. and shells will inherit changes from the top-most shell. so if you make changes in a terminal, the rest of the terminals wont have this change. if you want it to apply globally, youd have to exit them all, and source it in tty [2026-02-02T05:44:50Z] well I had .profile under root user but I assume I would have to source it if I login from su [2026-02-02T05:44:55Z] could probably just have sourced .profile manually, or set KISS_PATH in the terminal specifically. or the tty if you werent running a gui [2026-02-02T05:45:08Z] well i was running cli [2026-02-02T05:45:25Z] but that is a method that would work [2026-02-02T05:46:15Z] wouldve been faster than login out/in :p [2026-02-02T06:22:59Z] morning [2026-02-02T06:26:32Z] morning Ozymandias42 [2026-02-02T06:31:12Z] morning sad_plan how's things going? [2026-02-02T06:39:56Z] im good. tired, as I was up 0530 today for work. [2026-02-02T06:39:59Z] how about you? [2026-02-02T06:54:26Z] same. alarm went of at 0530 too. Homeoffice though [2026-02-02T07:02:03Z] I would love to work from home, but I cant take the factory home with me :p [2026-02-02T07:02:18Z] what kind of work do you do? [2026-02-02T07:19:12Z] sad_plan: I'm a VDI Sysadmin for my university [2026-02-02T07:22:10Z] hm, sounds interesting. do you like it? [2026-02-02T07:22:23Z] mostly yeah. [2026-02-02T07:22:27Z] it's quite the cushy job [2026-02-02T07:24:10Z] also not being in a profit oriented company means a lot more freedoms in terms of what I can just do when I feel like it. Like randomly experiment with stuff that might be interesting [2026-02-02T07:27:20Z] sounds awesome. much better than this pos place where *we cant afford to prioritize this* to this and that. my work is kinda cuchy too, but there are still days where everything kinda falls appart at times [2026-02-02T07:27:34Z] kinda wanna work in IT too, but im afraid I wont like it [2026-02-02T07:28:11Z] eh we can't afford much either. that's another downside of working in public sector. [2026-02-02T07:28:36Z] strongly depends on where in IT you work, I'd say. that and on your mindset. [2026-02-02T07:29:54Z] like my job is cushy but I also often sit there wondering why I even bother getting out of bed if I have nothing to do and nothing happens anyway. But that's also just part of the job. It's important to remind oneself that in these jobs a good part of what you are being paid for is not being productive 8 hours a day but being able to provide expertise once required [2026-02-02T07:30:33Z] this might be more so in public sector where the pace is generally slower [2026-02-02T07:32:17Z] on the flipside this also means that you have a lot of free time in which to basically do what you want with the systems you manage inside reasonable boundaries. How much longer that will be the case is also debatable as zero-trust and case-by-case privileges based on change-management/logging is likely coming there too at some point. [2026-02-02T07:33:26Z] ..which also isn't bad. IT keeps getting ever more complex, things like kubernetes or openstack are perfect examples of this. these systems are absolute behemoths of complexity. and with an ever growing number of people working on and with complex systems and more importantly relying on them you need to find ways to properly manage all that [2026-02-02T07:35:22Z] anyway, before a wrong impression arises: it's not like I do nothing. it varies wildly. some days I sit there watching youtube vids all day, other days I'm busy throughout the day. so like everywhere. That's where the mindset thing comes in. if you can handle that, the job of sysadmin is great. if not you might be better of as a project focused dev [2026-02-02T07:49:31Z] yeah I get it. my work is somewhat like that. although its more like we sit and watch the machine do the job for us, and when it runs out, we have to do some manuall labour to get going again, and then we can sit on our asses for 1-2 hours again. so in a 8 hour, we actually work more like 2-3 tops on regular basis. obviously sometimes its more though [2026-02-02T07:50:14Z] but yeah, I have considered sysadmin stuff, or just regular dev stuff. but I think that dev stuff might have more of a.. crunshy workday, in lack of a better word [2026-02-02T07:50:43Z] the company rely on you working to make money, atleast to some extent. it would obviously depend on what youre working on [2026-02-02T07:51:39Z] exactly. some of my colleagues do dev work in addition to their admin work and they have a pretty heavy workload. [2026-02-02T07:52:51Z] really the best thing you can do is work as sysadmin in the public sector. especially at technical universities. hard to find as competent a bunch of coworkers as you find there [2026-02-02T07:58:22Z] right right. sounds much like what ive heard really. I dont want a heavy workload work really, I like cuchy jobs tbh :p [2026-02-02T07:58:41Z] yeah, not sure I can land such a job, but yeah, might be somemthing to look for anyhow [2026-02-02T08:04:40Z] I'd love to have ozys job [2026-02-02T08:04:49Z] so jealous [2026-02-02T08:08:09Z] I got really lucky. my uni's vice president had a course I was visiting and was also working for the third consecutive year or so in our studentic first level support. And apparently I was noteworthy enough that the prof took me aside and asked if I was interested in a open position they have. [2026-02-02T08:25:20Z] love when decent opertunities just fall into your lap like that. good on you ozy :D [2026-02-02T10:26:20Z] sad_plan: you asked why i wouldn't continue to use kiss after this machine breaks down, i might! it's just that i installed nixos on my other machine some time ago but haven't really had the time to try it [2026-02-02T10:26:30Z] kiss really is awesome for its simplicity [2026-02-02T10:27:16Z] still running an install from '21 [2026-02-02T10:31:29Z] then I see no reason as to why you should just wipe that install and install kiss there aswell rfaa :p [2026-02-02T10:31:35Z] damn, that old. awesome :D [2026-02-02T10:32:49Z] well, when you put it that way [2026-02-02T10:33:12Z] depending on what breaks on this machine i might just replace the part instead [2026-02-02T10:35:25Z] noticed that the s6 guy has been doing some work on s6 frontend lately, anyone tried that yet? [2026-02-02T11:56:15Z] i know right :P [2026-02-02T11:56:56Z] dylan uses s6, i know testuser used it aswell, but he's not around anymore. i think its been mentioned by other users aswell, but I dont recall who [2026-02-02T11:57:00Z] it comes up from time to time [2026-02-02T14:13:45Z] I'm installing kiss and I can't get grub to compile. I have the dependencies for UEFI. But errors are saying parssing argument 2 of '_gcry_sexp_build' from incompatible pointer type [-Wincompatible-pointer-type]. I tied for some time by my self then for long time with LLMs help. Tride some flags some patches. It at the end almost all ways errors on something with _gcry. I re-git cloned codeberg. I would be thankful for some [2026-02-02T14:13:45Z] help [2026-02-02T14:16:26Z] I'm only average amateur linux user [2026-02-02T14:29:33Z] Sorry, I restarted a system and it compiled. Probably I exported something in a shell that made it behave weird. I hope to write you with graphical environment going [2026-02-02T17:52:56Z] rfaa nixos is great. Been using it for years now [2026-02-02T20:24:30Z] Ozymandias, that's the type of job that comes to mind when I think of a kisslinux community member. It kind of answers my question. [2026-02-02T21:57:09Z] is there a way to exclude a package from being built when its not installed [2026-02-02T22:07:59Z] Hey everyone, apologies for being as awol as I have been, but just today I added some more code/proposals to https://github.com/echawk/kiss-spec [2026-02-02T22:08:20Z] Would appreciate if people would look over the documents there and contribute comments/clarifications [2026-02-02T22:08:59Z] Still rather far away from being entirely comprehensive, but now has high level algorithmic descriptions of many of the sub commands of kiss [2026-02-02T22:23:39Z] jason123onirc: are you trying to rebuild all of your packages in a specific repo or something? [2026-02-02T22:24:17Z] you can use uniq(1) to filter lists to only include things that are installed with a little creativity [2026-02-02T22:26:44Z] say you're under /var/db/kiss/foorepo/ and you want to rebuild only what's installed from foorepo, you could do something like `for p in $(printf '%s\n' $(kiss list) $(ls) | uniq -d);do kiss b "./${p}";done`, or something to that effect [2026-02-02T22:27:14Z] it's sort of ugly but that's how i've done such things [2026-02-02T22:27:52Z] you could also just replace the for loop with `kiss build` so that you don't go through packages one at a time... [2026-02-02T22:43:19Z] midfavila, i am trying to update all my packages [2026-02-02T22:43:48Z] you should be able to just use kiss update [2026-02-02T22:44:50Z] yeah somehow after i built it again then again it built fine [2026-02-02T22:46:15Z] aah [2026-02-02T23:27:21Z] this is so weird [2026-02-02T23:27:32Z] it wants to build xfce4-dev-tools but i don't actually have it installed [2026-02-02T23:27:53Z] and then it fails building because package xsltproc does not exist [2026-02-02T23:34:06Z] wait what does kiss U do [2026-02-02T23:34:25Z] nevermind same error