[2026-02-03T02:42:17Z] <midfavila> i really should write a formal letter to clockworkpi about their source availability
[2026-02-03T05:49:42Z] <sad_plan> go for it midfavila 
[2026-02-03T06:20:30Z] <midfavila> ye
[2026-02-03T06:21:26Z] <midfavila> also i found the best furniture company ever >:O
[2026-02-03T06:21:30Z] <midfavila> "international concepts"
[2026-02-03T06:22:02Z] <midfavila> american company that makes like, perfectly generic furniture out of solid rubberwood and pretty much nothing else
[2026-02-03T06:22:13Z] <midfavila> they're pretty price competitive with ikea despite that
[2026-02-03T06:22:32Z] <midfavila> all you have to do is stain and seal if it you'd like and then badabingbadaboom
[2026-02-03T06:22:35Z] <midfavila> >chair
[2026-02-03T06:35:52Z] <kris_> midfavila: welcome back
[2026-02-03T06:37:42Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: sounds decent
[2026-02-03T06:37:52Z] <sad_plan> and also, welcome back as kris_ said
[2026-02-03T07:19:17Z] <jason123onirc> is there even kiss linux for arm that is not outdated 
[2026-02-03T07:25:33Z] <sad_plan> jason123onirc: no. youd have to create your own tarball for that
[2026-02-03T07:26:12Z] <sad_plan> or just fetch that tarball, and just update it. shouldnt be any problem
[2026-02-03T07:26:30Z] <sad_plan> which is probably much less of a hassle than building your own from scratch
[2026-02-03T08:57:56Z] <dery> welcome back mid!
[2026-02-03T12:29:31Z] <Ozymandias42> I just found a shocking amount of outdated and wrong information on the r/linux reddit regarding zram and swap
[2026-02-03T12:32:00Z] <Ozymandias42> people seem to not know that zram can have a backing device too
[2026-02-03T12:32:24Z] <Ozymandias42> people still recommend zswap
[2026-02-03T12:40:19Z] <sad_plan> zswap and zram have different purposes though. but im not supprised by a lot of misinformation on reddit :p
[2026-02-03T13:27:42Z] <Ozymandias42> sad_plan: isn't zswap just legacy from before zram could be used with backing devices? You can configure zram to behave just like zswap
[2026-02-03T14:13:46Z] <kris_> that's my understanding as well
[2026-02-03T16:37:04Z] <sad_plan> they kinda work the same, but zswap is more aimed torwards devices with less memory
[2026-02-03T16:39:33Z] <sad_plan> but yes, maybe zswap is legacy at this point. im using zswap on my laptop. but could just aswell use zram instead. and I have 16gb of ram on that thing
[2026-02-03T16:45:40Z] <sad_plan> reading more into it, it seems you are correct Ozymandias42. if you enable writeback for zram, it works more or less the same as zswap
[2026-02-03T16:49:25Z] <Ozymandias42> maybe difference is still that zswap has nothing in ram by default while that's quite the non-standard config for zram
[2026-02-03T16:51:42Z] <sad_plan> zswap does use ram by default, but I think the intent is more that it compresses things that would otherwise be swapped. keeping it away from writing to disk for longer. its good for devices with less ram and flash storage, which reduses the IO and wear and tear on these devices
[2026-02-03T16:51:54Z] <sad_plan> atleast thats my understanding of it
[2026-02-03T16:52:24Z] <sad_plan> zram just compresses your ram more or less, but can be configured to do more than just that. thus technically making it superior I suppose
[2026-02-03T16:54:21Z] <sad_plan> theres is also a segment about both zswap and zram on kiss-community aswell
[2026-02-03T17:00:05Z] <Ozymandias42> I might need to read up on both again then. seems they might have some meaningful behavioural differences after all
[2026-02-03T17:11:38Z] <sad_plan> it seems that its mostly the intent thats the difference. zswap's aim is to avoid things in ram being written as swap, but zram just compresses your ram. so to speak anyway. but zram now has the option to work similarly like zswap. making zswap somewhat redundant? 
[2026-02-03T17:11:42Z] <sad_plan> dont take my word for it
[2026-02-03T17:12:09Z] <sad_plan> im going to do some more reading about it too, but im guessing ill make the switch on my laptop from what ive read about so far
[2026-02-03T17:12:30Z] <sad_plan> I think i used zram before, when i used vanilla kiss. but reconfigured my kernel and forgot about it
[2026-02-03T17:37:30Z] <Ozymandias42> good luck with switch then
[2026-02-03T17:44:52Z] <sad_plan> thanks
[2026-02-03T20:13:06Z] <midfavila> god i swear if i see one more "open source" handheld based on the raspberry pi i'm gonna flip out >.>
[2026-02-03T20:13:29Z] <midfavila> the raspberry pi can't even run properly without userspace binaries 
[2026-02-03T20:13:41Z] <midfavila> s/binaries/blobs/ whatever
[2026-02-03T20:29:18Z] <sad_plan> are you looking at r/cyberdeck again mid? :p
[2026-02-03T20:29:50Z] <sad_plan> in any case, I do agree with you that the blobs are suboptimal, unfortunatly, not everyone is so.. extreme? about it as you are :p
[2026-02-03T20:32:15Z] <sad_plan> in any case, what handheld did you stumble upon this time? :p
[2026-02-03T20:43:35Z] <midfavila> none
[2026-02-03T20:43:46Z] <midfavila> just really annoyed that people are having fun on the internet
[2026-02-03T20:44:12Z] <midfavila> >oh no i've gone into a place that contains things i won't like and am now angry, how could this have happened to me!?!?!
[2026-02-03T20:44:18Z] <midfavila> many such cases tbh
[2026-02-03T20:49:19Z] <sad_plan> sounds like the entire fucking internet if you ask me
[2026-02-03T20:49:33Z] <sad_plan> or more specifically, places like facebook, reddit etc..
[2026-02-03T20:49:58Z] <midfavila> anything on the web tbqh
[2026-02-03T20:52:23Z] <rfaa> man you guys need a hug and some grass under your feet
[2026-02-03T20:52:28Z] <rfaa> maybe a cold brew
[2026-02-03T20:52:56Z] <midfavila> a hug would be nice :c
[2026-02-03T20:53:03Z] <midfavila> as for snow my excuse is that it's the middle of the winter
[2026-02-03T20:55:09Z] <sad_plan> do you disagree rfaa? :p
[2026-02-03T20:55:10Z] <rfaa> yea.. not optimal going outside weather right now, that's true
[2026-02-03T20:55:37Z] <sad_plan> but yes, a hug is always nice, atleast a proper one. not like those semi barely a hug thingies some people attempt :p
[2026-02-03T20:56:06Z] <midfavila> also yeah are we wrong lol
[2026-02-03T20:56:13Z] <midfavila> the web as it currently exists sucks
[2026-02-03T20:56:18Z] <midfavila> usenet is comfy tho
[2026-02-03T20:56:39Z] <midfavila> or little mailing lists 
[2026-02-03T20:56:43Z] <midfavila> bbses etc
[2026-02-03T20:56:51Z] <rfaa> haha no you're absolutely correct
[2026-02-03T20:57:12Z] <sad_plan> thought usenet was like only for downloading stuff. what else is there on usenet?
[2026-02-03T20:57:20Z] <sad_plan> figured as much rfaa :p
[2026-02-03T20:57:26Z] <rfaa> usenet still a thing?
[2026-02-03T20:57:47Z] <rfaa> i mean.. irc is barely still a thing
[2026-02-03T20:59:05Z] <sad_plan> they keep saying that one #derive. irc is dead, yet here they are. although they seem to mosty use discord there
[2026-02-03T20:59:19Z] <sad_plan> but yes, irc is less populated than it was
[2026-02-03T20:59:38Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: rfaa: i use alt.fan.furry a lot
[2026-02-03T20:59:53Z] <midfavila> there's a lot of gemini folks on there too
[2026-02-03T21:00:06Z] <midfavila> the spam issue has really died down since google defederated
[2026-02-03T21:00:24Z] <midfavila> certain groups are really quite active
[2026-02-03T21:00:28Z] <midfavila> you just have to know where to look
[2026-02-03T21:04:18Z] <rfaa> how big is gemini these days? read about it some years ago but never really bothered to investigate
[2026-02-03T21:05:26Z] <midfavila> dunno. i don't really use it. i'm more of a gopher person
[2026-02-03T21:11:20Z] <rfaa> really?
[2026-02-03T21:11:34Z] <rfaa> that's cool
[2026-02-03T21:12:30Z] <midfavila> ye
[2026-02-03T21:12:33Z] <midfavila> s'comfy
[2026-02-03T21:12:43Z] <midfavila> at some point i want to patch links2 to support gopher
[2026-02-03T21:13:14Z] <midfavila> maybe see if i can get an http to gopher gateway running locally or something idk
[2026-02-03T21:16:57Z] <rfaa> that sounds like a quite an undertaking
[2026-02-03T21:35:40Z] <midfavila> oh god i just found out that cryptobros are trying to monetise gopher
[2026-02-03T21:35:48Z] * midfavila spits over his shoulder
[2026-02-03T21:35:50Z] <midfavila> gross
[2026-02-03T21:36:01Z] <midfavila> https://gopher.fyi/
[2026-02-03T21:36:32Z] <midfavila> we're gonna make web3 using gopher guise!!!
[2026-02-03T21:36:38Z] <midfavila> weee!
[2026-02-03T21:39:17Z] <rfaa> "Silicon Valley must know that Gopher is back and ready to reclaim the internet."
[2026-02-03T21:39:25Z] <rfaa> Gopher sites online: 382
[2026-02-03T21:39:41Z] <rfaa> cute
[2026-02-03T21:40:30Z] <midfavila> i just think it's lame that they're trying to appeal to silicon valley at all
[2026-02-03T21:40:36Z] <midfavila> why tf do you think everything in tech sucks now
[2026-02-03T21:40:41Z] <midfavila> because of silicon valley
[2026-02-03T21:40:42Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2026-02-03T21:41:17Z] <rfaa> haha not gonna argue with that :D
[2026-02-03T21:42:07Z] <midfavila> what i really wanna see is a gopher frontend for invidious...
[2026-02-03T21:42:15Z] <midfavila> or at least the invidious API opening back up
[2026-02-03T21:43:01Z] <rfaa> that's the youtube thing?
[2026-02-03T21:44:05Z] <midfavila> yes
[2026-02-03T21:56:24Z] <sad_plan> and how might one get into that site midfavila ? the usenet site. whats required I mean
[2026-02-03T21:57:08Z] <sad_plan> also, is it not possible to build static gcc with lto? I cant seem to get gcc to build static lto lib, and instead I just get an error because its trying to statically link the shared library....
[2026-02-03T21:57:50Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I couldve sworn ive seen invidious stuff on gohper. i think I saw it on bitreich?
[2026-02-03T22:00:42Z] <midfavila> sad_plan you need an account with an nntp provider
[2026-02-03T22:00:51Z] <midfavila> eternal september is good for free newsgroup access
[2026-02-03T22:00:56Z] <sad_plan> hm, I see
[2026-02-03T22:02:44Z] <midfavila>         gopher://codemadness.org/1/git/frontends/
[2026-02-03T22:02:52Z] <midfavila> re: the youtube frontend
[2026-02-03T22:02:54Z] <midfavila> neat
[2026-02-03T22:03:14Z] <midfavila> also they have a pirate bay frontend lmaooo
[2026-02-03T22:03:40Z] <sad_plan> yeha, I noticed that earlier. what a joke. how is anyone still using that site?
[2026-02-03T22:04:18Z] <sad_plan> how does that frontend even work? do have to host it on a server?
[2026-02-03T22:05:51Z] <sad_plan> neat, the mnt desktop reform is comming to their online shop soon
[2026-02-03T22:06:00Z] <sad_plan> minutes recently posted a news update
[2026-02-03T22:06:14Z] <midfavila> ooh
[2026-02-03T22:06:14Z] <midfavila> nice
[2026-02-03T22:06:20Z] <midfavila> and yeah it would have to be server side
[2026-02-03T22:06:26Z] <midfavila> iirc gopher+ has CGI support
[2026-02-03T22:06:53Z] <sad_plan> I see. so frontends for me then :p
[2026-02-03T22:08:18Z] <sad_plan> holy shit, theyre working on a v2 keyboard for the pocket reform, and the keyboard can be used standalone
[2026-02-03T22:08:45Z] <sad_plan> or rather can be converted. to be precise
[2026-02-03T22:09:58Z] <midfavila> ye
[2026-02-03T22:10:11Z] <midfavila> i was going to get a new mainboard anyway so i might pick up the desktop enclosure
[2026-02-03T22:10:32Z] <midfavila> need to resolder the barrel jack on my current mainboard once i get the replacement, it's getting loose 
[2026-02-03T22:11:50Z] <sad_plan> yeah, maybe you can find some cool use for it
[2026-02-03T22:12:09Z] <sad_plan> damn, I have to go to bed. up at 0530 tomorrow for work :c
[2026-02-03T22:12:13Z] <sad_plan> cya
[2026-02-03T22:12:33Z] <midfavila> rip
[2026-02-03T22:13:49Z] <sad_plan> yep. monday all the way to saturday. by saturday, im really dead if I dont go to sleep early enough. just like I failed to do today..
[2026-02-03T22:29:57Z] <midfavila> me rn