[2026-02-14T04:02:23Z] <elisoli> I was just wathing Brodie Roberson's video about LFS abandoning sysv
[2026-02-14T04:02:48Z] <elisoli> since when LFS started shiping software for their users?
[2026-02-14T04:03:15Z] <elisoli> I thought KISS was supposed to be a easy way and LFS was the master piece of having a linux system, but it looks more like LFS is just easier
[2026-02-14T04:03:46Z] <elisoli> most of my system I had to configure myself with no manual, actually KISS manual is already pretty shitty explainning the installation very poorly for beginners
[2026-02-14T04:04:13Z] <elisoli> shipping basic software helps a lot but KDE?
[2026-02-14T04:04:47Z] <elisoli> KISS ships sway and i think that is already too much, I use dwl
[2026-02-14T04:30:25Z] <kris_> sway is pretty smol
[2026-02-14T04:30:46Z] <kris_> dwl isnt *too* much better, it still needs wlroots
[2026-02-14T04:44:02Z] <sad_plan> elisoli: lfs doesnt *ship* any software per say. it just happened to use sysv up untill now.
[2026-02-14T04:44:48Z] <sad_plan> kiss is easier in the regards that everything is already premade. just unpack the tarball, and run kiss b foo and youre set. lfs is much more hands on. 
[2026-02-14T04:45:23Z] <sad_plan> kiss also works in the way that some knowledge is assumed. lfs doesnt work like that. lfs thus provides much more handholding than what kiss does
[2026-02-14T04:45:41Z] <sad_plan> also theres nothing stopping you from building KDE on kiss, but youd have to figure out how on your own :p
[2026-02-14T11:40:26Z] <elisoli> doesn't that already make kiss much more dificult in terms of beginner friendly?
[2026-02-14T11:41:14Z] <elisoli> although it already comes with a package manager (which helps a lot) most has to be done by the user to get things to work properly. my setup is yet half complete since the day i started
[2026-02-14T11:44:28Z] <elisoli> maybe it is just that things are simply not simple on wayland
[2026-02-14T14:07:28Z] <sad_plan> elisoli: kiss isnt neccessarly beginner friendly to begin with. its made for advanced users. but its not to say that beginners cant install it. I wasnt really advanced when I installed it. and I eventually figured it out. not saying i had lots of hurdles, because I did. I didnt even understand how PATH worked at the time. lucky for me, someone made a video about the whole process, which I used
[2026-02-14T14:07:30Z] <sad_plan> to get a bootable system
[2026-02-14T14:08:34Z] <sad_plan> I dont belive kiss in of itself is very.. difficult to install. getting the kernel config working is likely the biggest issue users has to figure out. the rest is likely cakewalk in comparisson. assuming you dont run into tons of buildfailures for packages. that can certainly ruin your day
[2026-02-14T22:56:05Z] <kris_> the hardest part for me is just the sheer amount of stuff that has to be packaged