[2026-02-26T04:15:16Z] not sure how i feel about the new ircv3 stuff [2026-02-26T04:15:28Z] apparently serverside chat history is going to be a thing in the near future and i'm not exactly a fan of that [2026-02-26T04:26:19Z] i won't be doing anything with it [2026-02-26T04:26:25Z] i'll switch to ICB [2026-02-26T04:26:28Z] istg [2026-02-26T04:28:35Z] i really hope ircv3 doesn't turn into another xmpp situation [2026-02-26T04:28:53Z] where there's theoretically a simple lightweight protocol at the bottom of a towering pile of shit that, while optional in theory, is mandatory in practice [2026-02-26T04:29:31Z] i have no idea i just want my own logs on one of my own computers not on liberas [2026-02-26T04:29:42Z] though i guess we're kinda taking them at their word that they don't log dms rn [2026-02-26T04:34:55Z] odd thing is i havent seen anyone be concerned about any of this [2026-02-26T04:35:01Z] some of the v3 changes are good though [2026-02-26T04:35:23Z] we'll finally get multiline messages and the ability to reply to specific messages since they'll be tagged and etc [2026-02-26T04:35:33Z] i just dont like the serverside chat history [2026-02-26T04:46:20Z] okay but lkike [2026-02-26T04:46:21Z] like [2026-02-26T04:46:29Z] how does that affect clients that aren't adopting ircv3 [2026-02-26T04:46:40Z] am i going to get blasted by a bunch of control codes [2026-02-26T04:46:55Z] is this going to be added to the handshake on connection [2026-02-26T05:31:19Z] nobody has really been clear about how this is going to work, legitimately i do not know [2026-02-26T05:31:24Z] you might be best asking in #libera [2026-02-26T06:00:58Z] ye prolly [2026-02-26T06:01:03Z] i'm sure it's all laid out in the spec [2026-02-26T07:08:05Z] midfavila: did a quick search [2026-02-26T07:08:24Z] their faq says that old clients will still work [2026-02-26T07:08:53Z] apparently they first did a bunch of foundational extensions that expose the concept of "capabilities" [2026-02-26T08:22:51Z] kris_: you already take them by their word not to log public or private messages. chathistory merely gives you as user access to potential logs... [2026-02-26T08:47:19Z] yea I wouldn't do any confidential communications on IRC in the first place [2026-02-26T08:47:35Z] even if something isn't publicly logged it takes nothing to make a private log, just put a bot there [2026-02-26T08:48:04Z] all channels are, in effect, public [2026-02-26T08:48:53Z] DMs are another thing yea, but even then I wouldn't still share confidential stuff there, chathistory or not [2026-02-26T13:39:37Z] kris_: as dery said, all channels are effectivly public anyway, and should thus be treated as such. dms however is another thing, but if theyre logged aswell, one should treat them as such aswell [2026-02-26T13:39:49Z] only other option is to stop using irc :p [2026-02-26T13:50:10Z] i only care about it in the context of DMs, generally id prefer both users there have their own logs and have nothing be serverside [2026-02-26T13:50:26Z] there is a lot of trust placed in libera for that but still [2026-02-26T14:39:39Z] I get that [2026-02-26T14:41:12Z] fucking hell github actions as slow. I forked conty, and changed up some of the packages. its been going for an hour now. at home this woulve taken like 5 minutes or something lol [2026-02-26T14:41:56Z] also, the other day I stumbled upon an article about vps provider will terminate your account if you actually use the ram your pay for [2026-02-26T14:42:10Z] which is insane. supposedly, this is even baked into the tos or some shit [2026-02-26T14:43:36Z] to correct myself, if you use up all the resources, meaning both cpu and ram [2026-02-26T14:58:30Z] what vps provider [2026-02-26T15:45:41Z] hetzner for one seems to be real iffy about it. virmach seems to suspend your account if resource usage is not temporary [2026-02-26T15:46:16Z] I dont recall where i read this article though, so I had to look it up again. but ive not found the article again. yet anyway [2026-02-26T15:48:07Z] I've not had issues with hetzner [2026-02-26T15:48:30Z] but i intend on moving to netcup shortly once i get the time to migrate [2026-02-26T15:49:13Z] others appearantly had. im also not sure what constitutes as temporarly. when is a load no longer temporarly? a few hours? a day? a week? I dunno [2026-02-26T15:49:18Z] I've been with hetzner for.. 3 years maybe? [2026-02-26T15:49:36Z] biggest issue for me is their traffic limits on servers in the US [2026-02-26T15:49:40Z] according to my search, both netcup and vultr seems to be more lenient [2026-02-26T15:49:47Z] and their x86 vms are still fucking bios [2026-02-26T15:49:51Z] hm [2026-02-26T15:49:55Z] and you cant mount isos [2026-02-26T15:50:11Z] so ive been bootstrapping void from the rescue env with a rootfs tarball [2026-02-26T15:50:48Z] one thing to note though, prices for *all* vps providers are about to go up because of the RAM situation [2026-02-26T15:51:19Z] once i move into the new house i might purchase a block of ipv4 addresses depending on the price and just be my own cloud provider [2026-02-26T15:51:58Z] that would probably be much more ideal than renting [2026-02-26T15:52:39Z] seems like 8 ip addresses are an extra $15/mo with our new ISP [2026-02-26T15:52:44Z] so not bad [2026-02-26T15:52:48Z] I too would like a server, but I dont really have the room for it [2026-02-26T15:53:00Z] I see [2026-02-26T16:57:36Z] ah... amazing. I just used up all of my 4g. so now I can download my new conty build with a whopping speed of 400Kbps [2026-02-26T17:03:15Z] zoomies [2026-02-26T17:08:40Z] yep [2026-02-26T17:09:54Z] rip [2026-02-26T17:10:23Z] i wish 4g internet plans were more common. in the sense of treating them as landline connections are [2026-02-26T17:10:29Z] pay X dollars for Y speed [2026-02-26T17:10:39Z] instead of buying X gigs of data [2026-02-26T17:10:48Z] it's not as if this is something that needs to be desperately rationed [2026-02-26T17:11:08Z] nobody needs 1Gbps wireless links [2026-02-26T17:14:52Z] i'm rather excited for my gigabit up and down network since we finally have a choice for what ISP we want with the new place [2026-02-26T17:15:05Z] it absolutely isn't necessary at all but its just so much cheaper than what we have now [2026-02-26T17:15:21Z] probably going to see what i can do about just not paying for vps' anymore and hosting my stuff at my house [2026-02-26T17:18:32Z] I agree midfavila. its really ridicilous that these companies can even sell *unlimited* plans, only for them to cap out on say, 40G, or 60G hell even 100G. I fail to see a reasonable reason for this to really be neccessary [2026-02-26T17:18:56Z] also most people cant even take advantage of a 1Gbps line. i know Ive never had lol [2026-02-26T17:20:15Z] i have gigabit download at the moment and i do make use of it, i also make use of my 400mbps upload [2026-02-26T17:20:21Z] but that's because i run a seedbox for muh linux isos [2026-02-26T17:20:22Z] there was this company a few years ago, back before *unlimited* plans were normal. they sold these unlimited plans, but they did some bs about not tellinge everyone about the cap being at 40G. then people got mad as fuck because it didnt say anywhere that this was the case [2026-02-26T17:20:46Z] like i myself dont really ues this bandwidth but i share it via torrents [2026-02-26T17:20:48Z] good on you kris_. on a good day from a really good provider, I get 50Mbps. [2026-02-26T17:21:26Z] as for my cellular plan i only have 10gb of data with 1 month rollover, so usually around 20gb [2026-02-26T17:21:36Z] i use maybe 2gb of data per month if that on my phone so it's way more than plenty [2026-02-26T17:21:37Z] fitgirl often hosts her shit on fuckingfast, and they give me that kinds of speeds. which makes me really happy. outside of that, im quite happy if I get even 10Mbps lol [2026-02-26T17:21:50Z] i only use private trackers so [2026-02-26T17:22:00Z] pretty much everything nets me gigabit because people are *required* to seed or they get banned [2026-02-26T17:22:35Z] yeah, fuckingfast is ddl. I use it sometimes to quickly download her stuff, and then add it to a torrent later so that I can seed [2026-02-26T17:22:46Z] i don't download software, too concerned about malware [2026-02-26T17:22:53Z] + honestly the experience from GoG and steam are just better [2026-02-26T17:23:12Z] yeah I get that. I suppose many also use seedboxes, which also gives people really decent speeds [2026-02-26T17:23:49Z] well sure, I only download from trusted uploaders though. its mostly just fitgirl, or steamrip. sometimes gog releases, but mostly its either fitgirl or steamrip [2026-02-26T17:24:11Z] theres a couple others I use aswell, but mostly only because its not available through fitgirl/steamrip [2026-02-26T17:25:03Z] ive used dodi in the past, but I think his site sucks donkey balls, and getting the actuall torrent is unneccessarly complex imo. I could obviously just get it from 1337x though [2026-02-26T17:30:27Z] kris_: do you for real just buy all of your games? [2026-02-26T17:36:19Z] yes i for real buy my games [2026-02-26T17:38:55Z] hm. it does sound silly now that I ask. like pirating is the norm. but maybe I just assume that computer adept people would rather pirate stuff instead, because they know how [2026-02-26T17:40:01Z] well i have a reasonable level of assumption that when i buy a game it isn't going to hit me with suddenly 20 new search engine toolbars in my browser and a happy little RAT [2026-02-26T17:40:30Z] even fitgirl stuff really just isn't trustworthy to me, she isn't even the one that cracks the games she just repacks them [2026-02-26T17:40:38Z] so you're kinda just trusting some phantom [2026-02-26T17:42:48Z] I dont have that problem tbh. but I do get what you mean. back in the day, this was probbly more common. atleast for me. I remember downloading all kinds of sketchy shit back in the day [2026-02-26T17:43:59Z] from a trust point of view, trusting fitgirl, just adds another layer of trust. its now 3 layers. the game devs, the cracker, and fitgirl. I get that this makes some people iffy, but seeing as the trackrecord of the people here is good, I dont have an issue with it [2026-02-26T17:44:30Z] i mean everyone has to place trust somewhere i guess [2026-02-26T17:44:39Z] yep [2026-02-26T17:45:01Z] and i barely play games anyway, typically just dayz, counterstrike, and iw4x if i play anything at all [2026-02-26T17:45:44Z] im also under the idea that people like fitgirl, or RUNE, have nothing to gain from creating malware. they do this because they want to, and wanna be better than everyone else. theres nothing to gain from creating malicious code here [2026-02-26T17:45:52Z] I see [2026-02-26T17:47:02Z] i mean, the gain would be a bunch of private stuff like credit card details and otherwise that probably havent been exposed otherwise and are therefore "fresh" [2026-02-26T17:47:10Z] let alone a botnet to do with as they please if thats the goal [2026-02-26T17:47:11Z] or etc [2026-02-26T17:47:15Z] like, classic standard things [2026-02-26T17:47:42Z] but yeah people like fitgirl, ive never heard of anything happening as a result of one of her repacks as long as it's genuine [2026-02-26T17:47:48Z] genuine == not a copycat [2026-02-26T17:48:14Z] good luck getting that from me anyhow. if I ever enter my card details, its on my phone, so if I have malware on my desktop because of my pirating, its not getting anything usefull [2026-02-26T17:49:05Z] exacly. as you said, its trust all the way here. and in this case, fitgirl for one, has a good trackrecord, hence, it would be reasonable to trust that here repacks are good shit [2026-02-26T17:49:30Z] i'm a bit terrifed of things like this [2026-02-26T17:49:52Z] theoretically it isnt really possible for .epub books to be malware because it's such a simple format but i still dont really trust it [2026-02-26T17:49:59Z] pdfs are outright untrustworthy [2026-02-26T17:50:37Z] so in general, i dont really pirate because i'm concerned about malware [2026-02-26T17:51:49Z] but there's also the fact that i have commit access to a lot of things other people use because those people trust *me* [2026-02-26T17:51:56Z] and part of trusting me is trusting that my computer is secure [2026-02-26T17:52:44Z] [2026-02-26T17:56:31Z] bleh gotta walk to uni for my english comp class [2026-02-26T17:58:31Z] I get that [2026-02-26T17:58:42Z] use your bike. mid would be proud of you if you bike [2026-02-26T18:18:13Z] what bike [2026-02-26T18:25:43Z] i want to get an ebike at some point because it's kinda just a legal grey area motorcycle [2026-02-26T18:27:29Z] I just figured you have a bike. most people own a bike. theyre heavy though, and quite expensive [2026-02-26T18:27:35Z] atleast they are here [2026-02-26T18:27:44Z] hell you can get a car for the same price [2026-02-26T18:27:51Z] i already have a car just no drivers license [2026-02-26T18:28:15Z] and even if i did get my license it isnt like i have enough income to pay for insurance at the moment anyway [2026-02-26T18:28:31Z] same with some of those scooters. depending on the scooter though. but some of the more high end ones gets real expensive real quick [2026-02-26T18:28:38Z] I see [2026-02-26T18:28:58Z] you can get a decent ebike that'll do like 35mph fully off of throttle with zero pedaling for like 2500 usd [2026-02-26T18:29:06Z] expensive but it doesnt require a license because it's technically a bicycle [2026-02-26T18:29:14Z] like 60-80 mile range [2026-02-26T18:30:14Z] once it goes dead you can pedal it back though [2026-02-26T18:32:43Z] what i do have access to is an exercise bike, ive been meaning to spend more time with that because i need to get my cardio up [2026-02-26T18:32:51Z] i already walk like 3.5 miles per day but it would be wise to do a bit more than that [2026-02-26T18:59:38Z] sad_plan ngl i feel like you need maybe 10mbps per person in a household at most, unless there are *specific* demands, because, yeah, most stuff people do as consumers just doesn't require a ton of bandwidth [2026-02-26T19:00:05Z] that, or you're limited by the upstream [2026-02-26T19:00:47Z] the proliferation of high-cost internet plans is, in my opinion, at least partly a result off the public not properly understanding what makes a network connection "fast" [2026-02-26T19:02:03Z] on that note, i really hope starlink fails [2026-02-26T19:02:22Z] it's such a stupid idea and it's seriously polluting our orbits [2026-02-26T19:05:03Z] i can't remember the exact term for it, but it was originally an idea from hard science fiction, i think... basically, as more and more junk pollutes our orbits, it becomes increasingly likely that these objects will collide, or, at the least, degrade and fall apart. every time objects collide, they of course break down further, which means more objects, more collisions, and you get this cascading [2026-02-26T19:05:09Z] failure that makes it extremely difficult to actually use orbits for anything productive, because things just get hammered by artificial micrometeorites that remain from space debris [2026-02-26T19:06:46Z] kessler syndrome [2026-02-26T19:06:55Z] and no it wasn't from scifi lmaoo [2026-02-26T19:07:03Z] it is rather likely for there to be a domino effect in orbit, and thats a legit real theory [2026-02-26T19:07:05Z] some dude at nasa pointed it out [2026-02-26T19:07:13Z] things have kinda just been put up there with no real consideration for its trajectory [2026-02-26T19:07:24Z] no, they have been [2026-02-26T19:07:25Z] or not "rather likely" but its getting scary [2026-02-26T19:07:26Z] there's like [2026-02-26T19:07:31Z] an international organisation that manages this shit [2026-02-26T19:07:44Z] and everyone registers their sattelites and trajectories and gets licences as a way of allocating space [2026-02-26T19:07:44Z] a bit later into things yeah [2026-02-26T19:08:00Z] idk how much stuff got put in orbit without much consideration for trajectory [2026-02-26T19:08:05Z] and then elon comes along, goes "fuck you i have money", and shits all over the atmosphere [2026-02-26T19:08:15Z] kris_: so theyre expensive in the US aswell.. I shoudl also get my cardio up. I think I barely reach 3k steps a day. its awefull [2026-02-26T19:08:28Z] tbf 3k is better than a lot of people in NA [2026-02-26T19:08:31Z] idk how many steps per day i average, i havent been wearing my pinetime as of recent [2026-02-26T19:08:34Z] at minimum 20k [2026-02-26T19:08:45Z] in the winter i probably get like 1k at the most [2026-02-26T19:09:00Z] im a moover [2026-02-26T19:09:02Z] i move [2026-02-26T19:09:22Z] i usually do a lot of cycling but the city here doesn't clear the roadways or pathways [2026-02-26T19:09:34Z] the snow gets all churned up and it's impossible to cycle on it [2026-02-26T19:09:38Z] they clear the roads here by just pushing shit onto the sidewalk its fucking agonizing [2026-02-26T19:09:56Z] so i could be trying to get through like no shit 4ft of snow [2026-02-26T19:09:59Z] i can cycle on snow or ice, but i can't cycle on loosely-packed dirt-snow amalgam [2026-02-26T19:10:29Z] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome [2026-02-26T19:10:39Z] yeah im familiar with this [2026-02-26T19:10:53Z] we're gonna lock ourselves into our own planet lol [2026-02-26T19:10:56Z] midfavila: I agree. more often than not, im bottlenecked by the host im connecting to anyway, so even though we have a 3-500Mbps (I dont recall which, but its somewhere in there), I cant even reach half of that. most of the day when im downloading things, I dont even get 10Mbps. maybe half [2026-02-26T19:11:25Z] kris_: it's not *us* [2026-02-26T19:11:29Z] it's the fucking rich [2026-02-26T19:11:43Z] they're going to kill the entire planet in pursuit of profit [2026-02-26T19:11:52Z] ^ yep [2026-02-26T19:11:57Z] we are unironically living out the plot of final fantasy 7 i need you to understand this [2026-02-26T19:12:14Z] at least the original. idk about the remake. i'm sure they cut out the environmentalist politics [2026-02-26T19:12:18Z] never played ff7 [2026-02-26T19:12:19Z] for being "woke" [2026-02-26T19:12:22Z] or whatever [2026-02-26T19:12:46Z] midfavila: when i say we're i'm saying humans [2026-02-26T19:13:12Z] 8.2 billion hairless monkies did not colletively decide to smash shit together in orbit [2026-02-26T19:13:35Z] one (1) hairless monkey decided to do that [2026-02-26T19:14:36Z] fair enough [2026-02-26T19:14:48Z] like we could just blanket the planet in 3G or 4G repeaters if we wanted cheap global internet [2026-02-26T19:14:56Z] the reason we don't do that is because of the market not providing an incentive for this [2026-02-26T19:16:01Z] I once saw someone arguing that internet access should be a human right. would that be incentive enough? im pretty sure the rich doesnt agree on this though, as it would cost a lot of money [2026-02-26T19:16:41Z] sad_plan: nestle literally steals water and mars turns a blind eye to the trafficking of child slaves to get cheaper cocoa [2026-02-26T19:16:55Z] coca-cola had death squads in latin america [2026-02-26T19:17:04Z] sad_plan: at least my home state of virginia had a governor that decided that [2026-02-26T19:17:17Z] something something dole fruit company and chiquita banana [2026-02-26T19:17:18Z] when covid hit he decided everyone *needed* affordable internet access and it had to be usably fast period [2026-02-26T19:17:21Z] dumped a ton of money into it [2026-02-26T19:17:25Z] rare but it does happen [2026-02-26T19:17:30Z] rare yankee w [2026-02-26T19:17:33Z] midfavila: yeah nesle is pretty awefull... [2026-02-26T19:17:38Z] kris_: thats nice [2026-02-26T19:17:40Z] so even in my little 70 population town we had gigabit fiber for like cheap as fuck [2026-02-26T19:17:52Z] sad_plan: nestle is just a product of its environment. if it wasn't nestle it would be some other company privatising water [2026-02-26T19:18:01Z] also, housing is a human right, and landlords still exist [2026-02-26T19:18:02Z] so, lol [2026-02-26T19:18:15Z] capitalists don't care about "rights" [2026-02-26T19:18:23Z] midfavila: well sure, but if rich people had a moral standard, things like this wouldnt happen [2026-02-26T19:18:27Z] other than their personal right to own capital [2026-02-26T19:18:56Z] sad_plan: if you were a member of the ruling class in a society run on the logic that "greed is good" you would do everything in your power to maintain the status quo [2026-02-26T19:19:09Z] very few people in history have willingly turned away from that [2026-02-26T19:19:16Z] i know [2026-02-26T19:19:18Z] something something class interest [2026-02-26T19:19:30Z] idk virginia was an interesting state [2026-02-26T19:19:41Z] that's why scandinavian social democracy is so disappointing to me [2026-02-26T19:19:44Z] it's such a half-measure [2026-02-26T19:19:45Z] there were also housing programs and whatnot so if you couldnt afford it you'd be waitlisted to just have gov housing [2026-02-26T19:19:51Z] if you couldnt afford food you were given a food card [2026-02-26T19:19:56Z] if you couldnt afford healthcare you were given healthcare [2026-02-26T19:20:03Z] it was a lot more generous than where i live now (indiana) [2026-02-26T19:20:11Z] sounds WOKE [2026-02-26T19:20:19Z] midfavila: atleast the living standards increased massivly. although instead we're taxed to death [2026-02-26T19:20:19Z] funny given VA was the capital of the confederacy [2026-02-26T19:20:42Z] sad_plan: scandi social programmes are primarily funded by imperialism [2026-02-26T19:20:49Z] prime example is novo nordisk [2026-02-26T19:21:09Z] we were "taxed to death" in virginia compared to other states in the southeast [2026-02-26T19:21:14Z] (it was like 7% iirc) [2026-02-26T19:21:29Z] are you only paying 7% in tax? [2026-02-26T19:21:41Z] im paying a lot less than that lol [2026-02-26T19:21:53Z] indiana has almost zero tax in general [2026-02-26T19:22:08Z] sad_plan: americans pay basically nothing in tax [2026-02-26T19:22:12Z] but im in a weird spot because my area is a chicago satellite so we get the benefits of being near a major city but almost no tax [2026-02-26T19:22:12Z] damn. im paying along the lines of 28% [2026-02-26T19:22:34Z] we also have almost no property tax [2026-02-26T19:22:35Z] of course, if you consider the cost of providing their own social services as a result of the government basically not existing, they pay higher taxes than canadians [2026-02-26T19:22:50Z] kris_: and also no public school system because it's funded by property tax [2026-02-26T19:22:58Z] the school system varies by town here [2026-02-26T19:23:04Z] i've heard that in some states school boards have to get private funding [2026-02-26T19:23:07Z] then theres a flat 25% tax on absolutely EVERYTHING. so technically, the tax is more than 50% for me. tax would be lower if I made less money though [2026-02-26T19:23:08Z] some are really bad some are really good it just depends on the zip code [2026-02-26T19:23:21Z] so like school boards in texas get funding for their science classes from texaco and shit [2026-02-26T19:24:18Z] we're actually discussing this in class literally right now lol [2026-02-26T19:24:22Z] im kinda tuned out though [2026-02-26T19:24:30Z] school here is owned by the goverment, thus shcool is free. which is nice [2026-02-26T19:25:13Z] canada has public tertiary schools but they still charge tons of money for tuition [2026-02-26T19:26:15Z] only the higher up schools here cost money, and even then, theyre not that expensive [2026-02-26T19:26:15Z] my uni is privately owned [2026-02-26T19:26:20Z] is basically a business [2026-02-26T19:26:32Z] there are state universities but usually they're not as good as the ones that are for-profit [2026-02-26T19:27:14Z] probably because they don't get enough funding [2026-02-26T19:27:54Z] ye [2026-02-26T19:27:58Z] and then its kind of a feedback loop [2026-02-26T19:28:03Z] same here [2026-02-26T19:28:12Z] everyone goes to the privately funded ones because the state ones are kind of dogshit [2026-02-26T19:28:21Z] and then it just keeps getting worse because nobody wants to go to the state ones [2026-02-26T19:28:36Z] you still have to pay for state ones [2026-02-26T21:04:08Z] midfavila: how are you doing [2026-02-26T21:04:56Z] oh hey sewn [2026-02-26T21:05:01Z] idk doing okay i guess [2026-02-26T21:05:03Z] same as always [2026-02-26T21:05:06Z] you? [2026-02-26T21:05:17Z] much like you [2026-02-26T21:05:56Z] fair [2026-02-26T21:14:17Z] sewn: !!!!!! omg hi [2026-02-26T21:14:23Z] i was wondering where you went [2026-02-26T21:17:52Z] hi kris [2026-02-26T21:19:05Z] how are you [2026-02-26T21:26:43Z] fine [2026-02-26T21:35:29Z] :salute: [2026-02-26T22:09:32Z] also hello sewn. welcome back