[2026-03-30T03:17:29Z] <midfavila> i've officially run out of ideas as to where my tangara could be
[2026-03-30T03:17:30Z] <midfavila> :cccccc
[2026-03-30T03:17:40Z] <midfavila> time to begin the long process of figuring out how to make a new one
[2026-03-30T03:18:04Z] <midfavila> it's so over
[2026-03-30T03:18:13Z] <midfavila> inb4 i find it in five minutes
[2026-03-30T03:32:49Z] <midfavila> we're so back
[2026-03-30T03:33:12Z] <midfavila> i at least know roughly where it is now, although it's *not* in my apartment
[2026-03-30T03:34:06Z] <sad_plan> how do you manage to loose that brick of a device?
[2026-03-30T03:35:39Z] <midfavila> in my defence it's like 2-3" tall
[2026-03-30T03:35:47Z] <midfavila> it's quite stubby actually
[2026-03-30T03:36:07Z] <midfavila> also, much more relevant, i usually only get 2-3 hours of sleep a day during the week, so i'm just shambling around half-dead all the time lol
[2026-03-30T03:36:16Z] <midfavila> i've lost a lot of things i really shouldn't have 
[2026-03-30T03:36:25Z] <midfavila> *we're working on it*
[2026-03-30T03:38:11Z] <midfavila> honestly the problem is that i'm a night person. without any particular reason to get up using an alarm i'll go to bed around 0400-0500 and then wake up around 1200-1300ish
[2026-03-30T03:38:34Z] <midfavila> covid lockdowns were fucking awesome for that reason and that reason alone. 
[2026-03-30T03:48:38Z] <midfavila> also, totally unrelated
[2026-03-30T03:48:45Z] <midfavila> learned something new about hemp the other day
[2026-03-30T03:48:54Z] <midfavila> apparently hemp seeds are a complete protein 
[2026-03-30T03:49:07Z] <midfavila> just as suitable as animal products
[2026-03-30T03:49:34Z] <midfavila> it really is a wonder crop
[2026-03-30T03:50:07Z] <midfavila> *also* it's a great way to get more omega 3 fats
[2026-03-30T04:12:16Z] <sad_plan> lack of sleep can have all kinds of funny effects. so I get that. I too like to be up all night. probably because of how I work though
[2026-03-30T04:24:23Z] <midfavila> yeah :\
[2026-03-30T04:24:38Z] <midfavila> if i can get one of those swanky remote jobs down the line i'd like to work during the night
[2026-03-30T04:24:42Z] <midfavila> it really is a health thing for me
[2026-03-30T13:04:19Z] <dery> that hits hard mid
[2026-03-30T13:04:24Z] <dery> I have the same exact issue lol
[2026-03-30T16:59:14Z] <kris_> i would be ecstatic if i were able to do everything at night, i hate being awake during the day
[2026-03-30T17:48:07Z] <Guest5066> Hi, I need help. I'm trying to install KISS Linux but no matter what I do im getting "can't mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
[2026-03-30T18:40:19Z] <shrub> >needs help >leaves
[2026-03-30T18:41:20Z] <rfaa> tale as old as time
[2026-03-30T18:41:44Z] <midfavila> the irc experience
[2026-03-30T20:14:21Z] <midfavila> does anyone know if illililti is still around?
[2026-03-30T20:14:24Z] <midfavila> haven't seen 'em in ages
[2026-03-30T20:33:42Z] <sewn> midfavila: they renamed to ilt or il or something
[2026-03-30T20:34:26Z] <sewn> also its illiliti
[2026-03-30T20:34:45Z] <sewn> yeah renamed to ilt but they left
[2026-03-30T20:34:55Z] <midfavila> aw
[2026-03-30T20:34:55Z] <midfavila> :c
[2026-03-30T20:35:13Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: i too would love a remote job, but I dont see me being able to work from home at a factory. lol
[2026-03-30T20:35:37Z] <midfavila> just get one of those jobs remote-controlling a robot
[2026-03-30T20:36:29Z] <sad_plan> also, I can confirm what sewn says here. ilt hasnt been around for quite some time now. maybe he got drafted. I recall he expressed some concerns about it
[2026-03-30T20:36:42Z] <midfavila> god i hope not
[2026-03-30T20:36:47Z] <sad_plan> that would be sick mid. but I dont think we have those anywhere here
[2026-03-30T20:37:09Z] <sad_plan> yeah, lets just hope he's busy dong his own thing
[2026-03-30T20:37:24Z] <midfavila> i've seen video of people in ukraine and russia beating the shit out of draft officers
[2026-03-30T20:37:33Z] <midfavila> because people are tired of this shti
[2026-03-30T20:37:34Z] <midfavila> shit
[2026-03-30T20:37:40Z] <midfavila> :\
[2026-03-30T20:37:40Z] <k0ga> I have a remote work :P
[2026-03-30T20:37:49Z] <sewn> HE WAS DRAFTED
[2026-03-30T20:37:58Z] <k0ga> this is the reason why I have a meeting today at 11:30 pm :'(
[2026-03-30T20:38:04Z] <midfavila> sewn hat
[2026-03-30T20:38:04Z] <midfavila> what
[2026-03-30T20:38:10Z] <sewn> he said he was drafted a year ago for a year
[2026-03-30T20:38:14Z] <sewn> so he should get out within a month or so
[2026-03-30T20:38:15Z] <midfavila> i thought he was dodging?
[2026-03-30T20:38:20Z] <sewn> he was forced
[2026-03-30T20:38:24Z] <midfavila> fucking hell
[2026-03-30T20:38:26Z] <dery> bruh
[2026-03-30T20:38:30Z] <sewn> apr 18 2025
[2026-03-30T20:38:41Z] <midfavila> let's hope he didn't get turned into ragu by some yankee bomb...
[2026-03-30T20:38:45Z] <sewn> when  did he last say anything
[2026-03-30T20:38:47Z] <sad_plan> k0ga: what kind of remote job do you have? if you dont mind telling :p
[2026-03-30T20:38:55Z] <midfavila> fuck i can't believe i'm actually nostalgic for 2020
[2026-03-30T20:38:56Z] <sewn> 2025 april yes it lines up
[2026-03-30T20:39:00Z] <sewn> he truly has been inactive for a year
[2026-03-30T20:39:01Z] <k0ga> I am computer engineer
[2026-03-30T20:39:03Z] <k0ga> :P
[2026-03-30T20:39:12Z] <midfavila> 2026 has been the worst fucking year 
[2026-03-30T20:39:15Z] <sad_plan> sewn: damn. i mustve missed that
[2026-03-30T20:39:24Z] <sad_plan> k0ga: nice
[2026-03-30T20:40:35Z] <sad_plan> k0ga: did you figure out the static linking stuff you asked about earlier? C:
[2026-03-30T20:40:59Z] <sad_plan> dwm, wasnt it?
[2026-03-30T20:41:34Z] <k0ga> sad_plan: I didn't have time to test it :(
[2026-03-30T20:41:49Z] <sad_plan> oh ok :(
[2026-03-30T20:43:37Z] <sewn> hey midfavila what do you think about switching majors
[2026-03-30T20:43:40Z] <sewn> ..for me
[2026-03-30T20:43:50Z] <sewn> i wonder if its even worth it to try to get a cs degree in this current time
[2026-03-30T20:44:18Z] <k0ga> good question
[2026-03-30T20:44:19Z] <midfavila> depends
[2026-03-30T20:44:26Z] <midfavila> if you want a job then you're fucked no matter what
[2026-03-30T20:44:37Z] <sewn> depending on the country i guess
[2026-03-30T20:44:38Z] <midfavila> calculate assuming you're going to be working a mcjob
[2026-03-30T20:44:54Z] <shrub> become a starving artists its the best job
[2026-03-30T20:45:00Z] <midfavila> if you want to learn CS then go for it but assume the worst in the current economy 
[2026-03-30T20:45:02Z] <k0ga> this is a perfect time for me as an experienced engineer
[2026-03-30T20:45:12Z] <midfavila> maybe i should change careers to being a magic 8 ball
[2026-03-30T20:45:13Z] <k0ga> but for a junior programmer ....
[2026-03-30T20:45:18Z] <midfavila> oh juniors are fuced
[2026-03-30T20:45:20Z] <midfavila> fucked
[2026-03-30T20:45:20Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2026-03-30T20:45:20Z] <sewn> shrub: even art is being replaced by ai in the real world
[2026-03-30T20:45:26Z] <sewn> midfavila: hmm true but like
[2026-03-30T20:45:28Z] <midfavila> i've been looking for five years
[2026-03-30T20:45:30Z] <sad_plan> shrub: didnt know you were here lol. how goes derive these days?
[2026-03-30T20:45:32Z] <midfavila> zero luck
[2026-03-30T20:45:33Z] <shrub> sewn: thats where the starving part comes in
[2026-03-30T20:45:44Z] <shrub> sad_plan : chugging along
[2026-03-30T20:45:45Z] <sewn> theres only a few industries that cant be replaced by ai
[2026-03-30T20:45:46Z] <midfavila> even with an honours diploma, letter of recommendation, certs, etcetera
[2026-03-30T20:45:54Z] <midfavila> sewn that's not true at al
[2026-03-30T20:45:55Z] <midfavila> all
[2026-03-30T20:46:06Z] <midfavila> "AI" can't replace human labour
[2026-03-30T20:46:15Z] <shrub> depends how doomer you are and if you think moore's law applies to ai
[2026-03-30T20:46:16Z] <sewn> you cant really replace construction or groundskeeping
[2026-03-30T20:46:27Z] <shrub> robotics
[2026-03-30T20:46:32Z] <midfavila> all value comes from human labour
[2026-03-30T20:46:33Z] <shrub> i doubt it will happen for a long time
[2026-03-30T20:46:34Z] <sewn> we are far from it right now
[2026-03-30T20:46:35Z] <midfavila> and from the earth
[2026-03-30T20:46:35Z] <sad_plan> shrub: nice. I keep seeing you guys update the list of stuff you wrote in the wayland.fiy website aswell. things seems to be moving rather fast at you guy's end
[2026-03-30T20:46:48Z] <sewn> sad_plan: no its moving slow because shrub is lacking on wayland
[2026-03-30T20:46:55Z] <shrub> sewn shh
[2026-03-30T20:47:11Z] <shrub> im focusing on other things rn
[2026-03-30T20:47:11Z] <midfavila> the earth provides initial value in the form of resources, but labour transforms goods into useful things and directs capital into the hands of workers who can then purchase the commodities they produce and maintain the economy
[2026-03-30T20:47:11Z] <sad_plan> sewn: if you want a job that robots cant take, start making clothes. the industry hates it because they cant replace human labour here for some reason
[2026-03-30T20:47:12Z] <sewn> ive been asking him constantly to push his changes upstream so we can have stable api
[2026-03-30T20:47:21Z] <midfavila> without wages the economy falls apart
[2026-03-30T20:47:22Z] <shrub> sewn: its not ready!!!
[2026-03-30T20:47:41Z] <sewn> midfavila: say that to companies replacing humans with ai in art & cs & fucking lawyers n shit
[2026-03-30T20:47:52Z] <midfavila> sewn you misunderstand
[2026-03-30T20:47:57Z] <sewn> sad_plan: clothing industry? if im making a brand sure but then i have to get to china or something
[2026-03-30T20:47:59Z] <sad_plan> sewn I agree on upstreaming it. I even asked myself why there werent any prs even. only to realize that there were lol
[2026-03-30T20:48:02Z] <midfavila> this isn't a matter of "can the computer do the same job"
[2026-03-30T20:48:05Z] <midfavila> or whatever
[2026-03-30T20:48:07Z] <shrub> someone sent me a card today for a religous festival thing and the art on the card was ai generated
[2026-03-30T20:48:08Z] <shrub> sad
[2026-03-30T20:48:09Z] <midfavila> that's irrelevant
[2026-03-30T20:48:09Z] <sewn> sad_plan: they only started happening when i forced him to
[2026-03-30T20:48:17Z] <midfavila> the question is, can the economy handle that
[2026-03-30T20:48:19Z] <midfavila> the answer is no
[2026-03-30T20:48:32Z] <sad_plan> sewn: no, just making clothes in general. nothing specific 
[2026-03-30T20:48:33Z] <sewn> midfavila: i dont quite follow your wise words midfavila
[2026-03-30T20:48:37Z] <midfavila> if money doesn't circulate, the economy falls apart
[2026-03-30T20:48:50Z] <sad_plan> 10 points to you sewn for making that happen
[2026-03-30T20:49:10Z] <midfavila> you need money to invest in capital, and money to hire labour to operate that capital to produce commodities, which are then exchanged on the market for profit
[2026-03-30T20:49:17Z] <midfavila> but someone has to buy that commodity
[2026-03-30T20:49:21Z] <sad_plan> shrub: sad indeed
[2026-03-30T20:49:26Z] <midfavila> otherwise you're left with a net less
[2026-03-30T20:49:27Z] <midfavila> loss
[2026-03-30T20:49:36Z] <midfavila> a so-called crisis of overproduction
[2026-03-30T20:49:55Z] <midfavila> automation reduces costs by cutting out wages and thus reducing the size of your consumer base
[2026-03-30T20:50:09Z] <midfavila> under our current economic system such an approach isn't sustainable
[2026-03-30T20:50:15Z] <sewn> i dont know how this is related to companies using ai for media art and code
[2026-03-30T20:50:28Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I think the only goal is here is to trancend beyond capitalism. however, good luck on that I suppose. even socalled selfcufficient people living offgrid does have some money, and usually have to buy stuff from time to time
[2026-03-30T20:51:06Z] <midfavila> i don't know how else to explain it. if nobody hires staff due to automation, nobody has money to buy shit, which means we have a ton of stuff just sitting around that can't be sold
[2026-03-30T20:51:10Z] <midfavila> that means there's no revenue
[2026-03-30T20:51:12Z] <midfavila> let alone profit
[2026-03-30T20:51:15Z] <midfavila> which means companies shutter
[2026-03-30T20:51:20Z] <shrub> the ai overlords want to transcend beyond capitalism too, theyre e/acc tescreal freaks
[2026-03-30T20:51:34Z] <midfavila> that, or people rely on debt to get by, which only kicks the can down the road
[2026-03-30T20:51:46Z] <sewn> midfavila: okay that makes sense theoretically..
[2026-03-30T20:52:03Z] <shrub> midfavila: some of them advocate for ubi to solve that
[2026-03-30T20:52:05Z] <sewn> but in reality that kinda is happening in some countries
[2026-03-30T20:52:15Z] <midfavila> shrub: ubi is just a capitalist bribe 
[2026-03-30T20:52:18Z] <shrub> personally im of the nothing ever happpens camp, i dont know if the world will change that much
[2026-03-30T20:52:22Z] <shrub> midfavila: yes
[2026-03-30T20:52:25Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I suppose they miss the point of capitism. they try to make so much more money, by simply robbing anyone else, which now has no money to buy your shit, which ironically nets you less money
[2026-03-30T20:52:37Z] <sad_plan> s/capism/capitalism/
[2026-03-30T20:52:41Z] <midfavila> social welfare programmes like UBI will always be clawed back by capitalists in times of crisis
[2026-03-30T20:52:49Z] <midfavila> they aren't a solution
[2026-03-30T20:52:55Z] <midfavila> they also rely on the exploitation of people in other nations
[2026-03-30T20:53:11Z] <shrub> never said it was, thats just what some people propose as a duct tape fix to the issue you bring up
[2026-03-30T20:53:11Z] <sad_plan> so, net negativ then
[2026-03-30T20:53:17Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: but for a short period of time we made a lot of shareholder value...
[2026-03-30T20:53:38Z] <sad_plan> ah, yes, the shareholder value, we musnt forget the shareholder value
[2026-03-30T20:54:58Z] <midfavila> also re: nothing ever happens have you seen the price of oil lmao
[2026-03-30T20:55:13Z] <midfavila> billions of people are already experiencing food insecurity 
[2026-03-30T20:55:33Z] <sad_plan> yep. the local newspaper said diesel prices is about to double. looks like I have to start walking to work in the very near future
[2026-03-30T20:55:35Z] <midfavila> as a result of not being able to access fuel for home appliances and such 
[2026-03-30T20:55:38Z] <shrub> im talking like some kind of restucturing of society
[2026-03-30T20:55:45Z] <shrub> not like poverty and bad thing happening to people
[2026-03-30T20:55:45Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle 
[2026-03-30T20:55:56Z] <midfavila>  bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle 
[2026-03-30T20:56:00Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I have to get one first lol
[2026-03-30T20:56:02Z] <midfavila> bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle 
[2026-03-30T20:56:08Z] <midfavila> bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle bicycle
[2026-03-30T20:56:09Z] <shrub> the macintosh was going to be called the bicycle
[2026-03-30T20:56:11Z] <sad_plan> of fix the one I have from 1938
[2026-03-30T20:56:21Z] <shrub> computers, the bicycle of the mind
[2026-03-30T20:56:30Z] <sad_plan> shrub: fr?
[2026-03-30T20:56:39Z] <shrub> yeah, way back when
[2026-03-30T20:56:43Z] <shrub> macintosh was just a codename
[2026-03-30T20:56:46Z] <shrub> but it stuck
[2026-03-30T20:56:49Z] <sad_plan> hm. I see
[2026-03-30T20:58:14Z] <midfavila> shrub: i don't know, man
[2026-03-30T20:58:27Z] <midfavila> history has been knocking at the door for a while and she doesn't appreciate being ignored
[2026-03-30T20:58:53Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: my bike needs new tires, fix the breaks and a new chain. nothing much, buut its atrocious to bike on. seeing as its from 1938. I honestly think I would like walking more than bike to and from work with it lol
[2026-03-30T20:59:10Z] <sad_plan> history goes in a circle, for those who doesnt learn
[2026-03-30T21:00:02Z] <sewn> when the great depression 2
[2026-03-30T21:00:13Z] <midfavila> the not so great but still pretty good depression
[2026-03-30T21:00:58Z] <midfavila> it's so stupid that people in like, india are going to die because some assholes in america fired some bombs at iran 
[2026-03-30T21:01:12Z] <midfavila> who the fuck designs an economic model like that
[2026-03-30T21:01:20Z] <midfavila> stupidest shit i've ever heard
[2026-03-30T21:02:47Z] <sad_plan> shits fucked up, thats for sure
[2026-03-30T21:39:20Z] <kris_> okay, so-
[2026-03-30T21:39:47Z] <kris_> i have reclaimed an old 750w antec power supply i got for free that's actually quite good, an i7 3770 + 32gb of ram machine (fully built) + an SFF PC with an HD7570 + 16gb of ram and a 2c2t pentium g3220
[2026-03-30T21:39:58Z] <kris_> and a ton of spare ddr3 that i forgot i had
[2026-03-30T21:40:07Z] <dery> niceee
[2026-03-30T21:40:17Z] <kris_> this is getting ridiculous
[2026-03-30T21:40:23Z] <dery> what is getting ridiculous
[2026-03-30T21:40:30Z] <kris_> i have 8 fully functional computers in my bedroom
[2026-03-30T21:40:34Z] <kris_> 3 of which run 24/7
[2026-03-30T21:40:38Z] <kris_> excluding my raspberry pis
[2026-03-30T21:40:45Z] <dery> that sounds like a perfectly normal number of functional computers in one room
[2026-03-30T21:41:07Z] <dery> my NAS died so I decided to get a real motherboard
[2026-03-30T21:41:10Z] <kris_> soon to be 9 once i finish my i7 10700k + 32gb of ddr4 build
[2026-03-30T21:41:19Z] <kris_> (my old desktop parts, been sitting in a box for like 2 years)
[2026-03-30T21:41:25Z] <kris_> i just need a case, cooler, and ssds
[2026-03-30T21:41:27Z] <dery> I also got a fan but it's not smart so it's a FUCKING VACUUM
[2026-03-30T21:41:46Z] <kris_> if it's not PWM you should be able to go in your bios and adjust voltage manually
[2026-03-30T21:41:48Z] <kris_> and slow it down
[2026-03-30T21:41:58Z] <dery> oh that's a great idea
[2026-03-30T21:42:17Z] <dery> it's going to be a pain as that thing has no HDMI
[2026-03-30T21:42:28Z] <kris_> i also got my nintendo ds lite and wii
[2026-03-30T21:42:40Z] <kris_> and my nvidia shield tv that im gonna put lineageos' build of android tv on since they apparently officially support it
[2026-03-30T21:42:46Z] <kris_> once i get a power cable for it
[2026-03-30T21:44:45Z] <dery> kris_ you need to become like lain and become computer
[2026-03-30T21:44:48Z] <dery> (never seen the show)
[2026-03-30T21:45:04Z] <dery> more compute, more
[2026-03-30T21:45:08Z] <kris_> i watched up to about episode 6 and need to continue
[2026-03-30T21:45:13Z] <kris_> i relate to her very heavily
[2026-03-30T21:45:23Z] <kris_> so far
[2026-03-30T21:45:32Z] <dery> that's very cool
[2026-03-30T21:45:35Z] <dery> defo need to watch it
[2026-03-30T21:45:48Z] <dery> also I got an unidentified i5 (forgot the gen) and 8 gb ddr3 for like €45
[2026-03-30T21:46:03Z] <dery> pretty much new afaict
[2026-03-30T21:46:09Z] <dery> no idea if that was a good deal or just... a deal
[2026-03-30T21:46:18Z] <dery> oh all mounted on a mobo obv
[2026-03-30T23:39:05Z] <sad_plan> im pretty sure at this point that webkit alone takes more time to compile, than every other component combined. including the kernel lol. I dont recall it being this slow earlier :(