[2026-04-22T04:33:38Z] <kris_> hi dery welcome bacc
[2026-04-22T06:38:51Z] <Guest43> kris_: Yeah, modding, jailbreaking game consoles
[2026-04-22T12:27:17Z] <kris_> not sure about "involved," I've never contributed anything but i do enjoy modding consoles
[2026-04-22T13:54:58Z] <midfavila> tryna decide on what i want to make for lunch
[2026-04-22T13:55:23Z] <midfavila> i'm thinking i might do rosee sauce and salmon with a bit of pasta and some garlic bread
[2026-04-22T14:07:51Z] <sewn> sounds so yummmy
[2026-04-22T14:16:58Z] <midfavila> i've been trying to mix things up
[2026-04-22T14:17:16Z] <midfavila> i don't usually have time to cook before work so i put together a little field kitchen in my office so i can make different things
[2026-04-22T14:17:36Z] <midfavila> yesterday was rice with vegetables stirfried in chili crisp 
[2026-04-22T14:18:33Z] <midfavila> oh boy time for another blizzard
[2026-04-22T14:18:36Z] <midfavila> in... april
[2026-04-22T14:18:40Z] * midfavila sighs
[2026-04-22T14:18:52Z] <midfavila> can't wait for the .02 seconds of spring we get before it ends up 50C
[2026-04-22T14:18:58Z] <midfavila> okay bbl
[2026-04-22T15:48:01Z] <midfavila> jesus christ the commute to work today sucked. hour and a half to go 7km by bus
[2026-04-22T15:48:07Z] <midfavila> should have just walked and saved the fare
[2026-04-22T15:48:18Z] <midfavila> need to fix my bike soon
[2026-04-22T15:53:51Z] <dery> kris_: hi kris how long was i out for
[2026-04-22T15:53:57Z] <dery> didn't even notice
[2026-04-22T15:54:23Z] <dery> midfavila: >chili crisp
[2026-04-22T15:54:27Z] <dery> please tell me lao gan ma
[2026-04-22T15:54:31Z] <dery> that stuff is SO GOOD
[2026-04-22T15:54:33Z] <midfavila> nah better than lao gan ma
[2026-04-22T15:54:39Z] <dery> i'm lao gan ma pilled
[2026-04-22T15:54:43Z] <dery> wym better
[2026-04-22T15:54:50Z] <midfavila> there's a chinese import store near my usual place and i did try some lao gan ma but it uses fucking CANOLA OIL
[2026-04-22T15:54:51Z] <dery> it there something better than lao gan ma
[2026-04-22T15:54:54Z] <midfavila> and canola oil makes me sick 
[2026-04-22T15:54:57Z] <midfavila> yes
[2026-04-22T15:54:57Z] <dery> oh
[2026-04-22T15:55:00Z] <dery> that's unfortunate
[2026-04-22T15:55:05Z] <dery> it indeed uses canola oil
[2026-04-22T15:55:06Z] <midfavila> lao gan ma is pretty good 
[2026-04-22T15:55:09Z] <midfavila> but this other stuff is better
[2026-04-22T15:55:13Z] <midfavila> unfortunately the label is uh
[2026-04-22T15:55:15Z] <midfavila> in chinese
[2026-04-22T15:55:19Z] <midfavila> so i can't read it
[2026-04-22T15:55:19Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-04-22T15:55:19Z] <dery> mh
[2026-04-22T15:55:26Z] <dery> no links or something?
[2026-04-22T15:55:27Z] <sewn> mrrrpp
[2026-04-22T15:55:31Z] <midfavila> no i buy it in person
[2026-04-22T15:55:34Z] <midfavila> i dont buy food online
[2026-04-22T15:55:36Z] <midfavila> that's weird
[2026-04-22T15:55:42Z] <dery> send pics??? 🥺
[2026-04-22T15:55:45Z] <dery> no i meant like
[2026-04-22T15:55:48Z] <midfavila> no camera qwq
[2026-04-22T15:55:48Z] <dery> on the label
[2026-04-22T15:55:51Z] <midfavila> oh
[2026-04-22T15:55:53Z] <midfavila> let me check ig
[2026-04-22T15:56:27Z] <dery> the imported stuff i buy irl has some translated sticker, most of the time
[2026-04-22T15:56:37Z] <dery> i guess some regulation stuff?
[2026-04-22T15:57:02Z] <midfavila> https://fivecontinentsintl.com/en/product/cqk-ciqikou-chili-oil-sauce300g/
[2026-04-22T15:57:04Z] <midfavila> this stuff!!!
[2026-04-22T15:57:14Z] <midfavila> it smacks the shit out of lao gan ma
[2026-04-22T15:57:20Z] <midfavila> way more peanuts and it has sesame too
[2026-04-22T15:57:27Z] <midfavila> and its much spicier
[2026-04-22T15:57:35Z] <midfavila> and, like, "crispier"
[2026-04-22T15:57:44Z] <midfavila> lao gan ma feels sort of soggy by comparison lol
[2026-04-22T15:58:39Z] <midfavila> also i don't get sick when i eat it
[2026-04-22T15:58:45Z] <midfavila> which is a plus
[2026-04-22T16:00:02Z] <midfavila> ngl i feel like lao gan ma is just a trend thing. like chili crisp is genuinely awesome but people freak out over LGM and its really just okay
[2026-04-22T17:51:23Z] <midfavila> https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/premiers-private-flights-commercial-9.7171284
[2026-04-22T17:51:36Z] <midfavila> oop wrong channel
[2026-04-22T17:51:47Z] <midfavila> well, you guys might find it funny to bully doug ford too idk
[2026-04-22T17:52:04Z] <midfavila> awful premier
[2026-04-22T18:06:58Z] <sad_plan> kris_: framework recently announced that the next get boards will be using tiger lake cpus. 20 hours of 4k netflix is what theyre telling us. sick
[2026-04-22T18:11:09Z] <midfavila> consoom machine:tm:
[2026-04-22T18:12:02Z] <midfavila> i miss when being able to fix your laptop was like
[2026-04-22T18:12:05Z] <midfavila> a normal thing about computers
[2026-04-22T18:23:57Z] <sad_plan> framework atleast allows for you to swap out the bad parts. although, theyre the only ones selling them. which is.. less ideal for sure
[2026-04-22T18:25:15Z] <sad_plan> mnt's laptops is better in that regard atleast. seeing as even the mainboard has cads available, so you should technically just be able to send this to some pcb creator, and have them create a new one if you need it
[2026-04-22T18:30:12Z] <midfavila> i'm just annoyed that people are acting like framework is hot shit when they're actually just doing the bare minimum
[2026-04-22T18:30:41Z] <midfavila> as a society we need to hold companies to a certain minimum 
[2026-04-22T18:39:53Z] <sad_plan> i think the thing here is the fact that theyre doing more than nothing, which is what everyone else is doing, thus putting themselves higher than the rest
[2026-04-22T18:40:28Z] <midfavila> yes but we shouldn't treat the bare minimum as the end goal
[2026-04-22T18:40:43Z] <sad_plan> its also very difficult to make this while also making a profit. other companies have tried, and said products as been pulled completely not too soon after
[2026-04-22T18:40:52Z] <midfavila> i literally don't care
[2026-04-22T18:40:53Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2026-04-22T18:41:01Z] <midfavila> profit is bullshit
[2026-04-22T18:41:04Z] <midfavila> it's all made up 
[2026-04-22T18:41:18Z] <midfavila> this is direct evidence that capitalism prevents innovation 
[2026-04-22T18:41:24Z] <midfavila> and stifles superior designs
[2026-04-22T18:41:30Z] <sad_plan> if theres nothing to gain, theres no reason do really do anything
[2026-04-22T18:41:38Z] <midfavila> yes there fucking is
[2026-04-22T18:41:40Z] <midfavila> bro
[2026-04-22T18:41:57Z] <midfavila> you are in an irc channel where a bunch of dorks around the world who don't get paid jack shit develop an OS for fun because we want to
[2026-04-22T18:42:18Z] <midfavila> we gain a cool hobby os and people who are interested in the same stuff as us and we can collaborate on the things we like
[2026-04-22T18:42:19Z] <sad_plan> you missed the point here. there is something to gain - fun
[2026-04-22T18:42:53Z] <sad_plan> there might not be monerary gains here, but we do have fun. I know I have. thus, I gain something
[2026-04-22T18:42:58Z] <midfavila> i certainly have more to gain from electronics i can fix than not and that seems to be the case for anyone who develops open source hardware
[2026-04-22T18:43:07Z] <midfavila> capitalism doesn't particularly care about "fun"
[2026-04-22T18:43:11Z] <midfavila> or anything other than profit
[2026-04-22T18:44:12Z] <midfavila> and the reality is that the resources necessary to create actually useful and good designs are controlled mostly by those who only care for profit
[2026-04-22T18:44:47Z] <midfavila> capitalism is fundamentally incapable of producing reliable, repairable things, because it is simply more profitable to make garbage
[2026-04-22T18:45:02Z] <sad_plan> I can agree with that. Ive fixed some of my earlier phones - change screen, usb plug and so on. and I had some enjoyment from it. and I also saved money because I didnt have to get a new phone, just because some part of it broke
[2026-04-22T18:45:27Z] <sad_plan> well yes, but theres also an argument to be made, that if all we create is garbage, noone is going to buy it. hence we cant produce garbage
[2026-04-22T18:46:00Z] <midfavila> yes, but because of wealth inequality, most of the global population can't afford anything *other* than garbage
[2026-04-22T18:46:18Z] <sad_plan> also somewhat true, yes
[2026-04-22T18:46:26Z] <midfavila> and when you need something - say, a smartphone, or a laptop - because society has been retooled around an expectation that everyone has one, you *will* buy it, no matter how much of a scam it is
[2026-04-22T18:46:34Z] <midfavila> at least most people will because the alternative is simply unreasonable
[2026-04-22T18:49:07Z] <sad_plan> well yeah. but some companies have seen that we have to have some more ethics hare, and stop producing products thats just fabricated trash. which is the case on places like wish, and well unfortunatly now also lot on amazon too. 
[2026-04-22T18:49:18Z] <sad_plan> while framwork isnt perfect, theyre atleast doing *something*.
[2026-04-22T18:49:19Z] <midfavila> okay but "ethics" have no place in business
[2026-04-22T18:49:22Z] <sad_plan> its a step in the right direction
[2026-04-22T18:49:29Z] <midfavila> that's the entire problem here
[2026-04-22T18:49:35Z] <midfavila> what's ethical is usually the opposite of what's profitable
[2026-04-22T18:49:42Z] <midfavila> and by usually i mean almost always
[2026-04-22T18:49:55Z] <sad_plan> if you think purely captisitic, then obviously no, but some people can view past that, and think that theres more to life than making money
[2026-04-22T18:50:19Z] <sad_plan> yeah, thats an unfortunate sideeffect with ethics
[2026-04-22T18:50:21Z] <midfavila> and those people own a controlling share of how many corpoations?
[2026-04-22T18:50:41Z] <midfavila> if you're an ethical person you usually don't go out and start actively exploiting people. 
[2026-04-22T18:50:42Z] <sad_plan> next to nothing
[2026-04-22T18:50:47Z] <midfavila> capitalists *need* to be sociopathic 
[2026-04-22T18:50:55Z] <sad_plan> i know
[2026-04-22T18:50:56Z] <midfavila> if they aren't, that's a weakness in the market
[2026-04-22T18:51:08Z] <midfavila> end result is that everyone loses when such people are in charge
[2026-04-22T18:51:44Z] <midfavila> if such people were expropriated of their property, and those resources were put in the commons, we would be much better off
[2026-04-22T18:51:49Z] <midfavila> simple as
[2026-04-22T18:52:26Z] <midfavila> there's always going to be someone who wants to do something purely because they enjoy it, and they'll find a way to do it better and faster than any capitalist could ever dream of. the rest of us will do as they direct because we want the end result of things.
[2026-04-22T18:52:39Z] <midfavila> that or we'll come up, collectively, with a better method, and do that instead
[2026-04-22T18:55:25Z] * sad_plan shrugs