[2026-05-18T00:39:27Z] <midfavila> anonradio is cool yeah
[2026-05-18T00:39:40Z] <midfavila> i pretty much exclusively listen to anonradio and a couple local community stations
[2026-05-18T00:39:46Z] <midfavila> plus cbc and the bbc
[2026-05-18T00:40:38Z] <kris_> im tempted to set up a little physical radio that streams anonradio
[2026-05-18T00:40:51Z] <kris_> rpi i have had laying around for years + netbsd + a friend 3d printing a case for me + some speakers 
[2026-05-18T00:40:56Z] <kris_> i think it would be cool
[2026-05-18T04:09:58Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQLOgBxlSIU
[2026-05-18T04:10:04Z] <midfavila> parasyte is so fucking good
[2026-05-18T05:49:02Z] <midfavila> okay i've decided
[2026-05-18T05:49:11Z] <midfavila> tomorrow is the day i learn to use troff properly
[2026-05-18T05:49:38Z] <midfavila> i need to write a CV and i'm tired of using latex or god forbid libreoffice
[2026-05-18T06:17:06Z] <kris_> unfortunately i usually just use libreoffice
[2026-05-18T06:17:38Z] <kris_> i don't hate libreoffice though, i think i just hate how annoying all office software is to use
[2026-05-18T06:21:45Z] <sad_plan> i wish plaintext was a more commonly acceptable format
[2026-05-18T06:29:31Z] <kris_> would be nice
[2026-05-18T06:29:49Z] <kris_> if i were an employer id probably instantly decline any of these crazy stylized pdf resumes
[2026-05-18T06:30:15Z] <midfavila> >"yeah my resume is UTF-8 plaintext formatted for a 160x40 character terminal and it uses xterm style escape codes for formatting"
[2026-05-18T06:30:22Z] <kris_> hired.
[2026-05-18T06:55:19Z] <sad_plan> lol yep
[2026-05-18T06:56:35Z] <sad_plan> or better yet, if its a programmer job, write a portable C program that creates a window with the neccessary info on it. just launch the program to view the CV and application
[2026-05-18T07:00:24Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2026-05-18T07:00:36Z] <midfavila> using tofu and for some reason there are like
[2026-05-18T07:00:37Z] <midfavila> ghost windows
[2026-05-18T07:03:50Z] <midfavila> i should modify x11fs to provide the pid associated with each x11 window
[2026-05-18T07:25:48Z] <k0ga> midfavila: my resume is written in troff
[2026-05-18T07:40:21Z] <midfavila> k0ga: very cool
[2026-05-18T07:40:24Z] <midfavila> what macros?
[2026-05-18T07:41:39Z] <midfavila> sorry for the delay, i was making tendies uwu
[2026-05-18T07:56:25Z] <k0ga> midfavila: -ms
[2026-05-18T07:56:33Z] <k0ga> I can pass you it if you want
[2026-05-18T07:56:41Z] <k0ga> I added custom macros
[2026-05-18T08:02:41Z] <midfavila> sure, i'll take a look
[2026-05-18T16:20:33Z] <ilt> Hi
[2026-05-18T16:20:48Z] <ilt> It's been a while
[2026-05-18T18:15:32Z] <midfavila> YO
[2026-05-18T18:15:36Z] <midfavila> IT'S ILT
[2026-05-18T18:15:42Z] <midfavila> where the hell have you been dude 
[2026-05-18T18:15:47Z] <midfavila> we were just talking about you the other day
[2026-05-18T18:16:00Z] <midfavila> ilt in case you didn't get the ping lol
[2026-05-18T18:17:44Z] <dery> YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ILT
[2026-05-18T18:17:53Z] <dery> it's so nice seeing you here!
[2026-05-18T18:26:09Z] <ilt> i've been in a hell
[2026-05-18T18:27:40Z] <ilt> it's good to see this channel is still alive
[2026-05-18T18:28:24Z] <midfavila> yeah, we're plugging along. couple of people have implemented kiss in other languages or forked off from the main system, and the core and community packages continue to be maintained
[2026-05-18T18:28:36Z] <midfavila> all the usual people are still here, albeit more or less depending on life circumstances
[2026-05-18T18:28:40Z] <midfavila> dylan actually showed up a while ago
[2026-05-18T18:28:45Z] <midfavila> he's a farmer now lol
[2026-05-18T18:29:54Z] <midfavila> someone here wrote a cgi program in rust for maintaining kiss repos or whatever
[2026-05-18T18:29:57Z] <midfavila> "lipstick on a pig"
[2026-05-18T18:30:03Z] <midfavila> dunno if it's still being worked on
[2026-05-18T18:30:19Z] <ilt> wow
[2026-05-18T18:30:42Z] <ilt> dylan been there? that's awesome
[2026-05-18T18:30:48Z] <midfavila> briefly yeah 
[2026-05-18T18:30:53Z] <midfavila> he's also written some new software
[2026-05-18T18:31:01Z] <midfavila> namely a preprocessor to embed shell anywhere 
[2026-05-18T18:31:04Z] <midfavila> which is neat
[2026-05-18T18:31:11Z] <midfavila> shellmaxxing
[2026-05-18T18:32:07Z] <midfavila> i'm working on fixing up a shell-based window manager for x11 that periish wrote(?) called tofu
[2026-05-18T18:32:27Z] <midfavila> dery: what else are people working on these days
[2026-05-18T18:32:43Z] <ilt> wild.gr
[2026-05-18T18:32:45Z] <ilt> haha
[2026-05-18T18:33:23Z] <ilt> this shit is dope
[2026-05-18T18:33:44Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/kiedtl/loap
[2026-05-18T18:33:49Z] <midfavila> https://loap.k1sslinux.org/
[2026-05-18T18:33:50Z] <midfavila> :DDD
[2026-05-18T18:34:22Z] <midfavila> the kiss cinematic universe expands
[2026-05-18T18:34:40Z] <ilt> for kiss linux in ... rust
[2026-05-18T18:34:55Z] <midfavila> i know, sacrilege :P 
[2026-05-18T18:34:57Z] <ilt> i mean the two things are kinda contradictory
[2026-05-18T18:34:58Z] <midfavila> but it's neat still 
[2026-05-18T18:35:30Z] <midfavila> we're like a real big boy distro now with our own web-based package browser and everything
[2026-05-18T18:36:10Z] <midfavila> i've been working on my own system as well. i actually got rid of kiss proper and i've been using z3bra's pm(1) 
[2026-05-18T18:36:28Z] <midfavila> although, thinking about it, i can't see why pm can't be written in shell 
[2026-05-18T18:37:24Z] <midfavila> btw kiedtl if you're still checking things out here lmk how i can volunteer CPU time for building 
[2026-05-18T18:37:44Z] <midfavila> OH
[2026-05-18T18:37:45Z] <midfavila> ALSO
[2026-05-18T18:38:02Z] <midfavila> ilt there's been some interesting developments in the whole container/chroot/whatever space
[2026-05-18T18:38:23Z] <midfavila> someone unrelated to kiss wrote a lightweight containerisation system in posix(?) shell 
[2026-05-18T18:38:37Z] <midfavila> by default it uses arch linux as the base but i'm sure it could be modified to use gkiss or something 
[2026-05-18T18:38:42Z] <midfavila> conty(1)
[2026-05-18T18:39:02Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/Kron4ek/Conty
[2026-05-18T18:44:43Z] <ilt> cool thing
[2026-05-18T18:45:27Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2026-05-18T18:45:31Z] <midfavila> how have you been, though? 
[2026-05-18T18:45:41Z] <midfavila> give us an update. we've all been worried about you
[2026-05-18T18:48:27Z] <ilt> well, i've been like frozen for a year because there was no time to actually participate or anything
[2026-05-18T18:48:39Z] <ilt> i see that AI gained some serious traction
[2026-05-18T18:48:47Z] <midfavila> god, unfortunately
[2026-05-18T18:57:54Z] <ilt> oh god
[2026-05-18T18:58:00Z] <ilt> my tilde instance died
[2026-05-18T18:58:11Z] <midfavila> aww
[2026-05-18T18:58:21Z] <ilt> https://dimension.sh/
[2026-05-18T18:58:23Z] <ilt> rip
[2026-05-18T19:01:58Z] <midfavila> you'll have to find a new spot
[2026-05-18T19:02:05Z] <midfavila> or maybe start self-hosting 
[2026-05-18T20:45:30Z] <k0ga> midfavila: what do you think about my ms macros?
[2026-05-18T20:45:37Z] <k0ga>  do you want to kill me now? xD
[2026-05-18T20:45:44Z] <midfavila> k0ga: unfortunately i haven't had time to check them yet :c
[2026-05-18T20:46:01Z] <midfavila> i'm trying to get some other stuff working before i work on my cv and start fiddling with roff
[2026-05-18T20:46:08Z] <midfavila> i doubt that i'll find them that objectionable though
[2026-05-18T20:46:19Z] <k0ga> troff can be too terse
[2026-05-18T20:46:23Z] <k0ga> s/can be/is/
[2026-05-18T20:46:24Z] <k0ga> xD
[2026-05-18T20:46:30Z] <midfavila> my daily driver editor is ed
[2026-05-18T20:46:33Z] <midfavila> = w=
[2026-05-18T20:46:35Z] <k0ga> mine too
[2026-05-18T20:46:38Z] <midfavila> i can handle a little terseness
[2026-05-18T20:46:47Z] <k0ga> I used for commit messages and to compose emails
[2026-05-18T20:46:59Z] <k0ga> in some cases I just execute !vi %
[2026-05-18T20:47:04Z] <k0ga> if the edit is too complex
[2026-05-18T20:47:10Z] <midfavila> i use it for basically everything other than like, extended programming sessions
[2026-05-18T20:47:18Z] <midfavila> like if it's over, say, 250 lines
[2026-05-18T20:47:30Z] <k0ga> I used ed to write sbase ed XD
[2026-05-18T20:47:30Z] <midfavila> but for small programs i don't even bother opening emacs
[2026-05-18T20:47:36Z] <k0ga> that was recursive programming!
[2026-05-18T20:47:36Z] <midfavila> nice 
[2026-05-18T20:47:55Z] <midfavila> i want to sit down and write my own ed from scratch at some point 
[2026-05-18T20:48:51Z] <k0ga> it is not so hard, but there are some topics that require a lot of attention
[2026-05-18T20:48:57Z] <midfavila> i imagine
[2026-05-18T20:48:58Z] <k0ga> we found many bugs in gnu ed
[2026-05-18T20:49:07Z] <midfavila> biggest challenge is just getting back into programming
[2026-05-18T20:49:13Z] <midfavila> i haven't done anything remotely serious in years
[2026-05-18T20:49:17Z] <k0ga> wow
[2026-05-18T20:49:23Z] <midfavila> unfortunately life happened 
[2026-05-18T20:49:25Z] <midfavila> :c
[2026-05-18T20:49:27Z] <k0ga> switched to management?
[2026-05-18T20:49:42Z] <midfavila> no, i couldn't find work after finishing college and ended up bouncing between shit jobs
[2026-05-18T20:49:51Z] <k0ga> ouh
[2026-05-18T20:49:55Z] <k0ga> I know that
[2026-05-18T20:49:57Z] <midfavila> then i had to move to the other side of my country on short notice and basically start life over
[2026-05-18T20:50:00Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-05-18T20:50:01Z] <k0ga> I had shit jobs for a while
[2026-05-18T20:50:17Z] <midfavila> i'm hoping to go back to school for a few years since college hasn't helped me land anything in tech 
[2026-05-18T20:50:22Z] <k0ga> then I became involved in many open source projects and that helped me to leave that situation
[2026-05-18T20:50:26Z] <midfavila> so maybe uni will, idk 
[2026-05-18T20:50:27Z] <midfavila> nice
[2026-05-18T20:50:44Z] <midfavila> i aspire to be a starving foss programmer living off pocket change donations 
[2026-05-18T20:51:25Z] <midfavila> in particular i'd really like to work on qbe and associated projects
[2026-05-18T20:51:52Z] <midfavila> and of course kiss linux 
[2026-05-18T20:52:00Z] <midfavila> and kiss linux-y things
[2026-05-18T20:52:47Z] <k0ga> that is hard
[2026-05-18T20:53:19Z] <k0ga> I workend in industrial oss projects, but not in funny oss projects
[2026-05-18T20:53:30Z] <k0ga> s/workend/worked/
[2026-05-18T20:53:38Z] <midfavila> minor mistake on the internet
[2026-05-18T20:53:40Z] <midfavila> it's all over
[2026-05-18T20:53:46Z] <midfavila> that's neat though 
[2026-05-18T20:54:08Z] <k0ga> anyway, if you want to send patches for scc you are welcome :P
[2026-05-18T20:54:17Z] <midfavila> eh, it'll be a while
[2026-05-18T20:54:26Z] <k0ga> I didn't try it in kisslinux yet
[2026-05-18T20:54:29Z] <k0ga> I should
[2026-05-18T20:54:38Z] <midfavila> i don't have any formal education in CS stuff, and zero experience working on compilers or interpreters 
[2026-05-18T20:54:55Z] <midfavila> i'd like to try implementing a simple lisp on top of qbe too 
[2026-05-18T20:55:09Z] <k0ga> uhmmmm, lisp is interpreted
[2026-05-18T20:55:18Z] <k0ga> I don't think qbe is a good tool for that
[2026-05-18T20:55:28Z] <k0ga> writing a lisp interpreter is very funny
[2026-05-18T20:55:38Z] <k0ga> I also wrote one many years ago xD
[2026-05-18T20:57:18Z] <midfavila> hmm. i can't see why lisp couldn't be compiled to QBE's intermediary language... but you would be more familiar with it than i would
[2026-05-18T21:00:48Z] <k0ga> well, it can be, but then you need a big run time to be attached to your compiled program
[2026-05-18T21:00:55Z] <k0ga> you need a garbage collector
[2026-05-18T21:01:21Z] <k0ga> you need a way to polymorphic type system
[2026-05-18T21:01:38Z] <k0ga> s/to/& have a/
[2026-05-18T21:01:55Z] <k0ga> dynamic polymorphic type system
[2026-05-18T21:02:24Z] <k0ga> a sexp evaluator
[2026-05-18T21:02:39Z] <k0ga> and many other things that must be shiped in the executable
[2026-05-18T21:03:33Z] <midfavila> hmm. i mean, of course, but *how* large does it really need to be? sbcl executables are enormous, but some compiled schemes are quite small 
[2026-05-18T21:04:56Z] <midfavila> not to mention that even C requires a runtime. it's just happenstance that the runtime is part of most unixes, is it not? 
[2026-05-18T21:05:07Z] <midfavila> of course, it's much smaller and does different things, but still
[2026-05-18T21:05:37Z] <k0ga> well, in amd64 you only need the initial crt, that is just around 10 instructions
[2026-05-18T21:05:51Z] <midfavila> hmm. fair enough...
[2026-05-18T21:05:54Z] <k0ga> in 386 you need some functions for some operations
[2026-05-18T21:06:17Z] <k0ga> (for example for any 64 bit operation)
[2026-05-18T21:12:08Z] <midfavila> something to figure out down the line
[2026-05-18T22:08:53Z] <kris_> oh holy shit welcome back ilt
[2026-05-18T22:09:02Z] <kris_> we were all worried about you indeed