[2026-05-20T04:24:48Z] dery: revoke everything, and see what breaks, and fix it as you go is my approach for the most time on kiss. this is also the principle android is using. security by least previlidge [2026-05-20T18:25:06Z] midfavila: wayland.fyi mentioned [2026-05-20T18:25:11Z] anyway, waypipe [2026-05-20T18:25:27Z] anyway, no [2026-05-20T18:25:28Z] :3 [2026-05-20T18:26:10Z] ideally graphics would be handled ala p9 [2026-05-20T18:46:58Z] ilt: midfavila: well of course [2026-05-20T18:47:13Z] that's mentioned on wayland.fyi abielt it's sort of hidden [2026-05-20T18:48:16Z] ilt: i dont think it's that good of a rant, some of it is slightly misleading and i need to fix it. most of it is correct tho [2026-05-20T18:50:03Z] dery: there is nothing scary behind us hosting a forum thingy, we just wanted to host werchan [2026-05-20T18:50:27Z] worlds only forum running on rc shell [2026-05-20T18:51:19Z] are the kids these days afraid of web forums [2026-05-20T18:51:25Z] smdh my damn head [2026-05-20T22:11:44Z] midfavila: I'm not afraid of forums [2026-05-20T22:12:12Z] I got, honestly, somewhat put off by mirroring 4chan's layout [2026-05-20T22:15:15Z] shrub: from the "we" I assume you're part of it. To be clear, I don't have anything wrong against it, as I said it's a pretty "normal" view tbh [2026-05-20T22:15:57Z] I've gotten very defensive and sensitive to certain things as there's an awful, AWFUL lot of engagement farming in regards to the ecosystem and a completely fucked up, toxic view by many pepole [2026-05-20T22:16:48Z] sorry if I come off dismissive [2026-05-20T22:26:13Z] sorry kris_ I just noticed I completely missed the "how do you update the kernel" [2026-05-20T22:26:33Z] yes it's a mess because it's making a ramdisk with every. single. firmware file [2026-05-20T22:26:37Z] and a squashfs image at that [2026-05-20T22:27:17Z] I see that the page you linked covers the solution, that is TMPDIR, although for some cursed reason it's causing issues on my thin client for some reason [2026-05-20T22:27:32Z] it doesn't transfer stuff correctly and keeps temporary dirs into the resulting ramdisk, breaking it [2026-05-20T22:27:52Z] next time I'll try rebinding a storage dir to /tmp/ directly and hope that it works [2026-05-20T22:28:19Z] yes, even a /mnt/-backed dir broke for some reason [2026-05-20T22:29:27Z] actually I should try rn [2026-05-20T22:29:34Z] cause there's still fragnesia out [2026-05-20T22:39:53Z] dery: i wish you luck, i ended up just wiping it and installing alpine normally [2026-05-20T22:39:59Z] cba [2026-05-20T22:42:04Z] lmao [2026-05-20T22:42:15Z] that's completely, totally, understandable [2026-05-20T22:42:22Z] as I say, it's absolutely awesome when it works [2026-05-20T22:42:26Z] and a pain when it doesn't [2026-05-20T22:42:42Z] I might start taking a spin, eventually, at my own forks of the diskless scripts [2026-05-20T22:43:01Z] like there are clearly lots of papercuts during the process [2026-05-20T22:43:22Z] i just dont have the desire to deal with it [2026-05-20T22:43:27Z] infra that requires thought post setup is shit infra [2026-05-20T22:43:39Z] that's the thing, it shouldn't tho [2026-05-20T22:43:47Z] just, update-kernel should do the trick [2026-05-20T22:43:54Z] but it doesn't import relevant packages, doesn't do a bunch of stuff [2026-05-20T22:43:56Z] sadly even with the tmpdir it wasnt working for me [2026-05-20T22:44:09Z] I wonder if that's the issue I've being going through [2026-05-20T22:44:19Z] where it fucks up the initramfs for some reason [2026-05-20T22:44:31Z] not gonna make you go through it tho, don't worry xD [2026-05-20T22:44:34Z] alpine as a whole is horrendously fragile [2026-05-20T22:44:35Z] ngl [2026-05-20T22:44:37Z] apk is kinda dogshit [2026-05-20T22:44:45Z] nah apk is pretty good tbh [2026-05-20T22:44:53Z] it's the diskless setup that's messed up [2026-05-20T22:44:54Z] and the infra around the ramdisk setup is really weird because you'd think if it doesn't have enough storage it would check for that before blowing up the system [2026-05-20T22:45:00Z] indeed [2026-05-20T22:45:09Z] also why in the world is it packaging every single firmware file it can find [2026-05-20T22:45:24Z] I don't need amdgpu, I don't need wireless, I don't need basically ANYTHING [2026-05-20T22:45:44Z] it takes ages to squashfs the modloop, which can't even easily be disabled if you mess up stuff [2026-05-20T22:46:06Z] I resorted to, when booting a live iso, running with `single`, unmounting the problematic volume and then remounting it manually after boot [2026-05-20T22:46:38Z] really a lot of it is also just me being spoiled [2026-05-20T22:46:44Z] i talk about void a lot but everything else is kinda just not as well made [2026-05-20T22:46:47Z] I'll make sure to document this and many other things, *eventually* [2026-05-20T22:47:20Z] personally I'm fine with going through this mainly because I'm not aware of similar setups being even *possible* on other distros [2026-05-20T22:47:38Z] and if the issue is going through old, barely updated boot infrastructure... I'll find a way [2026-05-20T22:48:01Z] well [2026-05-20T22:48:06Z] you can do it on other distros, you can even do it without a distro [2026-05-20T22:48:12Z] depending on what it is you're up to [2026-05-20T22:48:23Z] if i wanted it for something super tiny id just build it into my initramfs and give my initramfs networking [2026-05-20T22:48:30Z] and roll it into a ukii [2026-05-20T22:48:43Z] I really like being able to install packages on a whim and update stuff that isn't the kernel in an instant [2026-05-20T22:48:50Z] i getcha [2026-05-20T22:48:50Z] also the overlay stuff is s-s-sweet [2026-05-20T22:50:47Z] i still have some infra stuff i need to figure out myself [2026-05-20T22:50:51Z] but ive become kinda distracted [2026-05-20T22:50:56Z] ive been base hunting on 9b9t for the past like 2 days [2026-05-20T22:50:59Z] cringe i know but im having fun [2026-05-20T22:51:03Z] lol feel ya [2026-05-20T22:51:12Z] got stuck into vintage story somewhat [2026-05-20T22:51:28Z] and obviously I had to host stuff and worked on my own infra [2026-05-20T22:51:35Z] stuff just branches and branches and branches [2026-05-20T22:51:51Z] now I've got more managed switches and started making my own tagged network [2026-05-20T22:52:05Z] so now I can split stuff thorought the home into different vlans [2026-05-20T22:52:09Z] hell yeah [2026-05-20T22:52:10Z] still not enough switches but it's something [2026-05-20T22:52:15Z] well [2026-05-20T22:52:23Z] i just have normal cheapo gigabit unmangaed switches on a tagged port on my one managed switch [2026-05-20T22:52:24Z] also fuck tp-link managed switches, they suck ass [2026-05-20T22:52:27Z] got some zyxels, wayyy better [2026-05-20T22:52:33Z] so i have an entire 8 port switch on a vlan for public shit [2026-05-20T22:52:49Z] i'm a netgear shill [2026-05-20T22:52:54Z] tplink stuff is indeed ass [2026-05-20T22:52:57Z] too expensive for me :P [2026-05-20T22:53:07Z] more than valid shits expensive [2026-05-20T22:53:09Z] my AP was like $100 [2026-05-20T22:53:13Z] not worth given i barely use wfii [2026-05-20T22:53:14Z] wifi* [2026-05-20T22:53:16Z] oh yea that works too ofc, but my main managed switch obv is connected to the router, which is stuck into a shitty crammed place [2026-05-20T22:53:43Z] now I've got a tagged trunk up to my room [2026-05-20T22:53:52Z] up to a nice 8-port managed switch [2026-05-20T22:54:00Z] hopefully I'll have more breathing room now