[2026-05-27T00:07:20Z] <kris_> midfavila: yeah my void installer uses dialog for everything
[2026-05-27T00:07:32Z] <kris_> it's pretty ok for what it is
[2026-05-27T04:24:22Z] <midfavila> dery: i've used xfs for years instead of extfs which i've basically never used
[2026-05-27T04:24:31Z] <midfavila> xfs is great for plug and play and performs well in most scenarios
[2026-05-27T04:24:40Z] <midfavila> it's also the default FS for a few different distros iirc 
[2026-05-27T04:25:27Z] <midfavila> that said, i prefer JFS because it's stupid simple, and NILFS2, because it's also simple and still has something analogous to snapshotting on account of all previous states of the filesystem being kept around until manually trimmed (or trimmed by the daemon)
[2026-05-27T04:26:06Z] <midfavila> kris_: aside from looking at your scripts do you have any good resources for learning the basics of working with dialog or is it sort of a 'figure it the fuck out' thing 
[2026-05-27T04:26:30Z] <midfavila> i've poked at dialog without really putting effort into it before and it seemed like a bit of a pain to actually get data *out* of dialog
[2026-05-27T04:41:01Z] <midfavila> oh damn modos' new monitor comes with a colour variant
[2026-05-27T04:41:07Z] <midfavila> i mean it's expensive as hell but still
[2026-05-27T04:41:10Z] <midfavila> 720usd...
[2026-05-27T04:41:19Z] <midfavila> but i could have a colour e-ink display in my reform...
[2026-05-27T04:41:35Z] <midfavila> it can go on the list for a far off future project
[2026-05-27T04:49:06Z] <kris_> https://github.com/RileyMeta/Bash-Dialog
[2026-05-27T04:49:07Z] <kris_> midfavila: 
[2026-05-27T04:49:11Z] <kris_> this might be useful idk 
[2026-05-27T04:49:24Z] <kris_> for me it was a figure it out type thing
[2026-05-27T04:49:36Z] <kris_> also if by get data out of it you mean just input boxes, you can just uh
[2026-05-27T04:49:51Z] <kris_> variable=$(dialog command and shit inputbox)
[2026-05-27T04:49:59Z] <midfavila> wha
[2026-05-27T04:50:01Z] <kris_> input boxes and stuff*
[2026-05-27T04:50:03Z] <midfavila> i swear to god i remember trying that
[2026-05-27T04:50:10Z] <midfavila> am i the stupid??????
[2026-05-27T04:50:12Z] <midfavila> bwuh????
[2026-05-27T04:50:26Z] <midfavila> rare moment of mid self awareness
[2026-05-27T04:52:21Z] <midfavila> no see i was right that doesn't work
[2026-05-27T04:52:46Z] <midfavila> because dialog sets up its environment by spitting a bunch of shit out onto stdout and then waits for input 
[2026-05-27T04:52:59Z] <midfavila> well, i'll look at that link you sent, it seems good
[2026-05-27T04:53:01Z] <midfavila> tysm
[2026-05-27T04:53:13Z] <kris_> midfavila: dialog --stdout
[2026-05-27T04:53:23Z] <kris_> append --stdout and then try it
[2026-05-27T04:53:34Z] <midfavila> fuq
[2026-05-27T04:53:42Z] <kris_> i forgot about that flag my bad its been forever since ive looked at my helper function for dialog
[2026-05-27T04:54:19Z] <midfavila> https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/009/471/Screen_Shot_2021-04-29_at_11.20.47_AM.jpg
[2026-05-27T04:54:23Z] <midfavila> realtime mid reaction 
[2026-05-27T04:56:53Z] <midfavila> oh yeah i've got a pretty decent setup with tofu going btw 
[2026-05-27T04:57:06Z] <midfavila> still need to set up a bar and find a way to manage boundaries 
[2026-05-27T04:57:13Z] <midfavila> but it's surprisingly comfy 
[2026-05-27T04:57:56Z] <midfavila> also thinking about stealing z3bra's ewmh programme from glazier and writing an extension for tofu based on it
[2026-05-27T04:58:22Z] <midfavila> i'm /probably/ going to polish up the base distribution and host it on SDF for ease of access as well 
[2026-05-27T04:58:29Z] <midfavila> needs to have documentation and some polish 
[2026-05-27T04:59:14Z] <kris_> what tofu
[2026-05-27T04:59:18Z] <kris_> is that a wm
[2026-05-27T04:59:24Z] <midfavila> yes
[2026-05-27T04:59:27Z] <midfavila> written in posix shell
[2026-05-27T04:59:29Z] <midfavila> :D
[2026-05-27T04:59:30Z] <kris_> oh THAT
[2026-05-27T04:59:37Z] <kris_> yeah i remember you mentioning that lmfaoo
[2026-05-27T05:00:02Z] <midfavila> for some reason tofu spawns like a bajillion instances of itself by default so that has to be fixed
[2026-05-27T05:00:23Z] <midfavila> i just added a check to ensure that it doesn't shit out a whole pile of itself if there's already an instance running and that seems to be good enough
[2026-05-27T05:00:28Z] <kris_> that has to be slow as hell
[2026-05-27T05:00:31Z] <midfavila> the bigger issue is that sometimes x11fs just fucking dies 
[2026-05-27T05:00:35Z] <midfavila> actually not really 
[2026-05-27T05:00:53Z] <midfavila> i mean it's not /amazing/ if you're stress testing it 
[2026-05-27T05:01:06Z] <midfavila> but if you're using a reasonably fast shell it's perfectly usable 
[2026-05-27T05:01:24Z] <midfavila> and honestly there could be some optimisations made 
[2026-05-27T05:01:53Z] <midfavila> like right now the only thing i can think of that causes issues is if you open a shitload of windows and then jiggle your cursor between all of them insanely fast 
[2026-05-27T05:01:59Z] <midfavila> then the tracking can be a smidge slow 
[2026-05-27T05:02:17Z] <kris_> i would love a wayland wm written in shell
[2026-05-27T05:02:36Z] <midfavila> but you could probably add in some kind of mechanism to stop tracking if there's X number of events per second and then resume once the flow is manageable 
[2026-05-27T05:02:39Z] <midfavila> also
[2026-05-27T05:02:51Z] <midfavila> you could probably just use tofu if you reimplemented x11fs as a wayland compositor 
[2026-05-27T05:02:54Z] <midfavila> or something
[2026-05-27T05:02:56Z] <midfavila> waylandfs
[2026-05-27T05:02:58Z] <midfavila> wayfs
[2026-05-27T05:03:19Z] <midfavila> that would be an interesting project actually 
[2026-05-27T05:03:50Z] <midfavila> if you could maintain the same user-facing API as x11fs or a similar-enough one then you could use tofu with no or few changes 
[2026-05-27T05:03:58Z] <midfavila> tofu itself is pretty simple
[2026-05-27T05:04:05Z] <midfavila> x11fs is what does all the actual work 
[2026-05-27T05:04:30Z] <midfavila> tofu just applies hooks based on an event stream, really
[2026-05-27T05:04:55Z] <midfavila> and said hooks usually interface with x11fs either directly or via tofu'c control programme tofc
[2026-05-27T05:05:36Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2026-05-27T05:06:38Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/chenzhch/shellc
[2026-05-27T05:06:40Z] <midfavila> this gives me ideas
[2026-05-27T05:06:43Z] <midfavila> dangerous ones
[2026-05-27T05:08:29Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/chenzhch/xbash
[2026-05-27T05:08:34Z] <midfavila> seems like a successor
[2026-05-27T05:11:56Z] <kris_> gtx 1650 laptop isnt as low performance as i was expecting
[2026-05-27T05:12:08Z] <kris_> its useless as a laptop but it does run game
[2026-05-27T05:12:20Z] <midfavila> many such cases with gaming laptops
[2026-05-27T05:12:48Z] <dery> midfavila: re XFS that's great to know. I'll switch to it asap then :D
[2026-05-27T05:13:23Z] <kris_> i use xfs on everything its great\
[2026-05-27T05:13:31Z] <midfavila> yeah no complaints 
[2026-05-27T05:13:33Z] <kris_> have been for a few years
[2026-05-27T05:13:33Z] <midfavila> xfs just werks
[2026-05-27T05:13:33Z] <dery> lately I've been benchmarking some builds inside a container and god is that doing a crapton of I/O on my ssd just by ccache
[2026-05-27T05:13:47Z] <midfavila> dery no ramdisk?
[2026-05-27T05:14:16Z] <dery> been considering that but it feels safer to not rely on ram
[2026-05-27T05:14:29Z] <dery> yes I also have 32GB of ram
[2026-05-27T05:14:37Z] <dery> tbh I'm not even sure how to configure that from podman lol
[2026-05-27T05:14:39Z] <midfavila> >doesn't even have 64
[2026-05-27T05:14:42Z] <midfavila> ngmi
[2026-05-27T05:14:46Z] <dery> fr
[2026-05-27T05:14:50Z] <midfavila> it's all over
[2026-05-27T05:14:59Z] <midfavila> honestly ecc ram is so cheap compared to non-ecc
[2026-05-27T05:15:07Z] <dery> the funny thing is that my desktop has 16
[2026-05-27T05:15:12Z] <kris_> yeah because fucking nothing supports ecc
[2026-05-27T05:15:24Z] <dery> my laptop is like, officially faster than my desktop in everything except muh gaming
[2026-05-27T05:15:26Z] <kris_> ryzen supports unbuffered ecc but thats the most expensive of the 3
[2026-05-27T05:15:27Z] <midfavila> i've never had an issue finding workstation and server hardware 
[2026-05-27T05:15:30Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-05-27T05:15:45Z] <midfavila> most expensive part on such builds tends to be the mobo
[2026-05-27T05:15:55Z] <kris_> depends
[2026-05-27T05:15:56Z] <dery> makes sense
[2026-05-27T05:16:00Z] <kris_> you can get slop boards on aliexpress
[2026-05-27T05:16:10Z] <midfavila> i just buy stuff from a few gens back on ebay
[2026-05-27T05:16:11Z] <midfavila> it's fine
[2026-05-27T05:16:14Z] <midfavila> never had any issues
[2026-05-27T05:16:18Z] <dery> are they worth it kris_? genuine question
[2026-05-27T05:16:21Z] <kris_> they take working parts from normal like gigabyte/asus/etc boards that are broken and make new mobos out of them in china to resell working parts
[2026-05-27T05:16:33Z] <kris_> super fucking cheap
[2026-05-27T05:16:34Z] <dery> I've seen modest server cpus for nothing online
[2026-05-27T05:16:43Z] <kris_> dery: the motherboards im describing?
[2026-05-27T05:16:45Z] <dery> yea
[2026-05-27T05:16:49Z] <midfavila> yeah you can get xeons for nothing
[2026-05-27T05:17:00Z] <kris_> i mean i would say no but my friend michael who owns one would say yes
[2026-05-27T05:17:04Z] <dery> cause cheap mobo + cheap cpu = almost a working cheap system :D
[2026-05-27T05:17:13Z] <midfavila> bulldozers are even cheaper although at that point you're using bulldozers
[2026-05-27T05:17:15Z] <midfavila> so ymmv
[2026-05-27T05:17:21Z] <midfavila> i've been happy with my piledriver machine
[2026-05-27T05:17:22Z] <kris_> ram is gonna go back down in price soon anyway some new company out of china is making memory chips for specifically normoids like us to buy
[2026-05-27T05:17:25Z] <kris_> theyre already in corsair kits
[2026-05-27T05:17:30Z] <midfavila> yeah i saw that
[2026-05-27T05:17:32Z] <dery> wut fr
[2026-05-27T05:17:35Z] <kris_> yeah fr
[2026-05-27T05:17:36Z] <dery> less goooo
[2026-05-27T05:17:39Z] <dery> we're so back
[2026-05-27T05:17:40Z] <midfavila> china also just made its own 100% domestic gpu
[2026-05-27T05:17:47Z] <kris_> the morethreads gpu? lmao
[2026-05-27T05:17:50Z] <dery> ok I'll stop talking like I never go outside lmfao
[2026-05-27T05:17:57Z] <kris_> a china company also has an x86 license
[2026-05-27T05:18:02Z] <kris_> they have 100% domestic x86 cpus too
[2026-05-27T05:18:06Z] <midfavila> kris_: idk man apparently it's like comparable to 3060s
[2026-05-27T05:18:18Z] <kris_> we're living in the chinese century
[2026-05-27T05:18:24Z] <midfavila> anglo millenium of humiliation 
[2026-05-27T05:18:37Z] <dery> fr
[2026-05-27T05:18:51Z] * midfavila inhales
[2026-05-27T05:18:53Z] * midfavila SREAMS
[2026-05-27T05:18:56Z] <midfavila> screams even fuck
[2026-05-27T05:19:21Z] <dery> don't you love competition
[2026-05-27T05:19:30Z] <midfavila> no lol 
[2026-05-27T05:19:33Z] <dery> the most capitalistic thing ever that america despises the most
[2026-05-27T05:19:42Z] <midfavila> the "west" deserves everything it gets for trying to "compete" 
[2026-05-27T05:19:58Z] <dery> yea fair I wasn't super serious
[2026-05-27T05:20:16Z] <dery> tried to remark how america is "capitalist" and it's being rolled over by a "socialist" country with competition
[2026-05-27T05:20:26Z] <midfavila> yeye
[2026-05-27T05:22:19Z] <Guest43> Ignoring compatibility, would you prefer risc over cisc?
[2026-05-27T05:22:22Z] <midfavila> the mysterious guest returns
[2026-05-27T05:22:23Z] <midfavila> also yes
[2026-05-27T05:22:52Z] <dery> yea
[2026-05-27T05:22:59Z] <midfavila> the second i can get a risc-v cpu in my reform i'm dumping ARM, and the second i can get pioneer boards i'm dumping x86
[2026-05-27T05:23:06Z] <dery> based
[2026-05-27T05:23:08Z] <midfavila> my handheld is already risc
[2026-05-27T05:23:38Z] <Guest43> how is it compatibility wise? in terms of what you can run
[2026-05-27T05:24:00Z] <midfavila> everything i need runs fine
[2026-05-27T05:24:13Z] <midfavila> including reasonably complex software like gcc, emacs, firefox, etc
[2026-05-27T05:24:17Z] <midfavila> i can get X to run too
[2026-05-27T05:24:22Z] <Guest43> i know you don't need much but still it's cool
[2026-05-27T05:24:26Z] <Guest43> oh all that? nice
[2026-05-27T05:24:33Z] <midfavila> also
[2026-05-27T05:24:39Z] <midfavila> box86 has been making crazy progress
[2026-05-27T05:24:46Z] <midfavila> gimme two seconds i'm gonna knock your socks off
[2026-05-27T05:25:13Z] <midfavila> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i hate youtube so much
[2026-05-27T05:26:02Z] <midfavila> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=gD5gFffEt9I
[2026-05-27T05:26:04Z] <midfavila> sorry box64
[2026-05-27T05:26:20Z] <midfavila> same guy has gotten hades and the witcher 3 to run too
[2026-05-27T05:26:28Z] <midfavila> of course, the latter, uh, *only* ran
[2026-05-27T05:26:31Z] <midfavila> it wasn't playable 
[2026-05-27T05:26:39Z] <midfavila> unless you can cope with like 20fps
[2026-05-27T05:26:46Z] <midfavila> but hades was totally playable 
[2026-05-27T05:27:01Z] <dery> oh I thought you were gonna link the phone thing
[2026-05-27T05:27:03Z] <dery> this is even cooler
[2026-05-27T05:27:08Z] <midfavila> yeah man
[2026-05-27T05:27:13Z] <dery> but also still think that the phone thing is huge IMO
[2026-05-27T05:27:33Z] <midfavila> it probably uses box64 behind the scenes
[2026-05-27T05:27:37Z] <midfavila> it was originally developed for arm
[2026-05-27T05:27:40Z] <dery> yea
[2026-05-27T05:27:47Z] <Guest43> 20 fps is ok
[2026-05-27T05:27:52Z] <Guest43> just look down all the time
[2026-05-27T05:27:53Z] <midfavila> ig it's like, a jit transpiler
[2026-05-27T05:27:57Z] <midfavila> from x86 to other arches
[2026-05-27T05:28:03Z] <dery> I *think* it also did like, library redirection or smth?
[2026-05-27T05:28:08Z] <dery> was it box?
[2026-05-27T05:28:08Z] <midfavila> yeah i think so
[2026-05-27T05:28:37Z] <dery> these are the things that kindle that joy about CS in me 
[2026-05-27T05:28:58Z] <dery> (not Counter Strike)
[2026-05-27T05:29:03Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2026-05-27T05:29:04Z] <midfavila> me too
[2026-05-27T05:29:07Z] <kris_> :c
[2026-05-27T05:29:09Z] <midfavila> this is the sort of stuff i'd like to do
[2026-05-27T05:29:14Z] <dery> kris_: that's why I specified xD
[2026-05-27T05:29:31Z] <midfavila> but then you go to uni and it's all llm slop and gamedev and webshit
[2026-05-27T05:29:43Z] <kris_> not been my experience
[2026-05-27T05:29:51Z] <dery> bruh the video says "using Wine"
[2026-05-27T05:29:58Z] <midfavila> dery yeah
[2026-05-27T05:30:04Z] <midfavila> uses wine or proton and dxvk
[2026-05-27T05:30:08Z] <dery> the amount of layers is getting extremely funny
[2026-05-27T05:30:09Z] <midfavila> on box64
[2026-05-27T05:30:10Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2026-05-27T05:30:51Z] <midfavila> kris_: well i'm glad it's worked well for you. i'm hoping that won't be the case when i attend, but most of my irlfrens have complained about it. 
[2026-05-27T05:30:57Z] <dery> literally https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/an4mmLz_700b.jpg
[2026-05-27T05:31:03Z] <midfavila> >9gag
[2026-05-27T05:31:07Z] <dery> (yes it was my first hit)
[2026-05-27T05:31:07Z] <midfavila> eternity gulag
[2026-05-27T05:31:19Z] <kris_> i lied, i dont have netflix
[2026-05-27T05:31:25Z] <midfavila> that's pretty good though
[2026-05-27T05:31:25Z] <kris_> take off your shoes we're upgrading openbsd and eating pizza
[2026-05-27T05:31:38Z] <midfavila> shit that reminds me i need to heat up some of mypizza
[2026-05-27T05:31:39Z] <dery> dream evening
[2026-05-27T05:32:05Z] <midfavila> oh shit he got crysis to run 
[2026-05-27T05:32:07Z] <midfavila> and like
[2026-05-27T05:32:11Z] <midfavila> it's playable
[2026-05-27T05:32:12Z] <midfavila> that's wild
[2026-05-27T05:32:14Z] <dery> blessed timeline
[2026-05-27T05:32:27Z] <midfavila> i mean a big part of crysis was its gpu load for the time but still 
[2026-05-27T05:33:17Z] <dery> this trascended "can it run doom" a thousand fold
[2026-05-27T05:33:30Z] <midfavila> man we should have a kiss doom server
[2026-05-27T05:33:33Z] <midfavila> that would be comfy asf
[2026-05-27T05:33:51Z] <midfavila> i would be up for setting up some community stuff as a hobby at some point
[2026-05-27T05:34:07Z] <dery> personally that would be fine
[2026-05-27T05:34:16Z] <kris_> doom server?
[2026-05-27T05:34:20Z] <kris_> youc an host games for doom?
[2026-05-27T05:34:26Z] <midfavila> yeah?
[2026-05-27T05:34:26Z] <dery> I wouldn't expect lots of people tho :P 
[2026-05-27T05:34:30Z] <dery> yea kris_ 
[2026-05-27T05:34:35Z] <midfavila> there are a ton of modpacks too
[2026-05-27T05:34:44Z] <midfavila> i used to play this like, rpg variant of doom with buddy of mine
[2026-05-27T05:34:46Z] <midfavila> crazy fun
[2026-05-27T05:36:08Z] <midfavila> oh man...
[2026-05-27T05:36:10Z] <dery> wonder how emulators would run on box64, just for curiosity
[2026-05-27T05:36:17Z] <midfavila> if i could get mezzano to run on a risc machine...
[2026-05-27T05:36:20Z] * midfavila drools...
[2026-05-27T05:36:24Z] <dery> I get that you can build them natively as 99% of them are FOSS but still
[2026-05-27T05:36:50Z] <dery> mid what's mezzano?
[2026-05-27T05:36:52Z] <midfavila> dolphin via dxvk and proton via box64
[2026-05-27T05:36:58Z] <midfavila> dery it's a baremetal common lisp operating system
[2026-05-27T05:37:02Z] <midfavila> 100% common lisp
[2026-05-27T05:37:35Z] <midfavila> has all the standard features you'd expect, too. compositing windowing system, tcp/ip stack, usb support, extfs and fat iirc
[2026-05-27T05:37:39Z] <midfavila> couple of other things
[2026-05-27T05:37:58Z] <midfavila> also has a custom C-CL transpiler using LLVM that can get for example quake to run really well 
[2026-05-27T05:38:13Z] <dery> nice
[2026-05-27T05:38:19Z] <dery> can't see why it can't run tbh
[2026-05-27T05:38:40Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/froggey/mezzano
[2026-05-27T05:39:16Z] <midfavila> oh shit it has mcclim and quicklisp now too 
[2026-05-27T05:39:18Z] <midfavila> that's so cool
[2026-05-27T05:39:46Z] <dery> what's the entry point?
[2026-05-27T05:39:56Z] <dery> like, there's gotta be a native component somewhere
[2026-05-27T05:40:10Z] <midfavila> afaik the kernel is a uefi executable 
[2026-05-27T05:40:26Z] <dery> I am blind
[2026-05-27T05:40:27Z] <dery> https://github.com/froggey/Mezzano/blob/master/runtime/runtime-x86-64.lisp
[2026-05-27T05:40:29Z] <midfavila> compiled to machine code and then it bootstraps itself 
[2026-05-27T05:40:32Z] <dery> there's literally a runtime dir lol
[2026-05-27T05:40:38Z] <midfavila> first boot takes forever tho
[2026-05-27T05:40:41Z] <dery> lmfao even the assembly is inside a lisp file?
[2026-05-27T05:40:55Z] <midfavila> i put it on real hardware and it took like 5 minutes to boot the first time
[2026-05-27T05:40:59Z] <dery> oh
[2026-05-27T05:40:59Z] <midfavila> afterward it was only a couple seconds tho
[2026-05-27T05:41:08Z] <dery> wonder were it caches that
[2026-05-27T05:41:12Z] <dery> but still, cool af
[2026-05-27T05:41:12Z] <midfavila> well, it bootstraps the entire environment from just a few primitives
[2026-05-27T05:41:19Z] <midfavila> then it dumps the state of the memory to a core file
[2026-05-27T05:41:23Z] <midfavila> and then it just
[2026-05-27T05:41:27Z] <midfavila> >loads the entire core file on boot
[2026-05-27T05:41:36Z] <midfavila> the same thing happens with a lot of lisp systems
[2026-05-27T05:41:40Z] <midfavila> s9fes does it, sbcl does it
[2026-05-27T05:41:59Z] <midfavila> a lot of "compiled" lisp is really just dumping the entire environment including a self-contained interpreter into a single portable file
[2026-05-27T05:42:05Z] <midfavila> not always of course
[2026-05-27T05:42:14Z] <dery> I mean if we assume that *everything* is there. Then perhaps it wouldn't be so bad to port?
[2026-05-27T05:42:44Z] <dery> still no idea if there's other platform-specific stuff (there must be) but like, hopefully it's not so bad
[2026-05-27T05:43:01Z] <midfavila> well, i definitely want to tinker with it 
[2026-05-27T05:43:17Z] <midfavila> of course, i would prefer if it was written in scheme, but beggars and choosers and all that
[2026-05-27T05:43:39Z] <dery> >Hardware accelerated 3D support via qemu's Virgl device
[2026-05-27T05:44:00Z] <dery> mfw this thing runs accelerated 3d under an emulator
[2026-05-27T05:44:32Z] <dery> let's hope for some nice docs once this thing goes out of the "demo" phase
[2026-05-27T05:44:45Z] <dery> wait last release was 6 years ago
[2026-05-27T05:44:51Z] <dery> but it's still active???
[2026-05-27T05:44:52Z] <dery> wtf
[2026-05-27T05:44:53Z] <midfavila> last commit two weeks
[2026-05-27T05:44:56Z] <midfavila> it died for a while
[2026-05-27T05:45:21Z] <dery> oh
[2026-05-27T05:45:23Z] <midfavila> then the creator dumped a huge pile of patches 
[2026-05-27T05:45:26Z] <midfavila> then disappeared again
[2026-05-27T05:45:29Z] <midfavila> and now they're back
[2026-05-27T05:45:33Z] <dery> sounds familiar xD
[2026-05-27T05:45:48Z] <midfavila> hmmmmm
[2026-05-27T05:45:53Z] <dery> well that's great to know actually
[2026-05-27T05:46:01Z] <dery> it's a side project after all
[2026-05-27T05:53:14Z] <midfavila> yeye
[2026-05-27T05:53:27Z] <midfavila> okay back with pizza also
[2026-05-27T05:53:28Z] <midfavila> meatza
[2026-05-27T05:58:15Z] <dery> yayyyy
[2026-05-27T06:06:36Z] <midfavila> yippee
[2026-05-27T06:07:38Z] <kris_> piza
[2026-05-27T06:07:54Z] <midfavila> dery whats ur fave pizza
[2026-05-27T06:09:22Z] <dery> midfavila: I'd say capricciosa
[2026-05-27T06:10:50Z] <dery> I've seen it with some omissions but the version I like is: tomato, mozzarella, salami, ham, artichokes, mushrooms, olives
[2026-05-27T06:11:10Z] <dery> sometimes I've seen it without salami or without ham, for some reason
[2026-05-27T06:11:52Z] <dery> great and works all year round IMO
[2026-05-27T06:12:25Z] <dery> close are sausage and friarielli, very neapolitan, but good friariellis are a thing only in the colder times of the year 
[2026-05-27T06:12:58Z] <dery> and also a nice one is one which I've seen many names of: "primavera", "italiana" etc. Means different things in various restaurants but the ingredients are like
[2026-05-27T06:14:04Z] <dery> no sauce, mozzarella and, after baking: prosciutto, arugula, (cherry) tomatoes, parmesan (but like shreds).
[2026-05-27T06:14:07Z] <dery> hella yummy
[2026-05-27T06:15:03Z] <dery> mhhhh now I'm hungry xD
[2026-05-27T06:16:29Z] <kris_> i'm really basic
[2026-05-27T06:16:35Z] <kris_> i just like bog standard pepperoni pizza
[2026-05-27T06:16:39Z] <midfavila> dery consoom pizza
[2026-05-27T06:16:44Z] <dery> it's 8 am mid
[2026-05-27T06:16:48Z] <kris_> but most of the time i make asmongold pizzas
[2026-05-27T06:16:49Z] <midfavila> PIZZA
[2026-05-27T06:16:54Z] <kris_> dery: pizza is breakfast food
[2026-05-27T06:16:58Z] <dery> pizzerias are closed rn
[2026-05-27T06:17:05Z] <kris_> michael wave:
[2026-05-27T06:17:16Z] <dery> I am NOT gonna eat microwave pizza
[2026-05-27T06:17:27Z] <dery> the only kind of breakfast pizza i'll find is more the more bakery kind
[2026-05-27T06:17:29Z] <midfavila> >the humble toaster oven
[2026-05-27T06:17:30Z] <kris_> You appear to think this is a democracy.
[2026-05-27T06:17:36Z] <dery> actually there's a place that sells a banger focaccia
[2026-05-27T06:17:38Z] <midfavila> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=czTksCF6X8Y dery
[2026-05-27T06:17:41Z] <midfavila> pizza
[2026-05-27T06:17:42Z] <midfavila> time
[2026-05-27T06:17:56Z] <dery> lmfao
[2026-05-27T06:18:00Z] <kris_> midfavila: god dammit fuck you 
[2026-05-27T06:18:01Z] <dery> I actually put that song on while eating pizza
[2026-05-27T06:18:03Z] <dery> multiple times
[2026-05-27T06:18:11Z] <kris_> i can never get this song out of my head once im reminded of it
[2026-05-27T06:18:12Z] <kris_> for days
[2026-05-27T06:18:13Z] <dery> while I was in a call with various people
[2026-05-27T06:18:25Z] <dery> kris_: fun fact, it's actually an actual song remixed
[2026-05-27T06:18:34Z] <dery> funiculì funiculà iirc
[2026-05-27T06:18:36Z] <midfavila> about like a lift 
[2026-05-27T06:18:38Z] <midfavila> or something
[2026-05-27T06:18:38Z] <midfavila> lmao
[2026-05-27T06:18:40Z] <dery> yea
[2026-05-27T06:18:43Z] <dery> the funicolare
[2026-05-27T06:18:47Z] <kris_> i could go for an asmongold pizza right now
[2026-05-27T06:18:52Z] <midfavila> STOP
[2026-05-27T06:18:53Z] <dery> it's a weird kind of transport
[2026-05-27T06:19:05Z] <kris_> you get one of the like $3 totinos pizzas and put oregano and extra cheese and pepperoni on it
[2026-05-27T06:19:12Z] <kris_> and slightly burn it
[2026-05-27T06:19:14Z] <kris_> when cooking it in oven
[2026-05-27T06:19:17Z] <dery> ngopp jamm ja funiculì funiculà
[2026-05-27T06:19:21Z] <kris_> i legitimately love it
[2026-05-27T06:19:28Z] <midfavila> ur lucky i'm not registered as an op rn otherwise i would make mentioning asmongold a bannable offence
[2026-05-27T06:19:35Z] <midfavila> i don't need to hear about his cockroach pizza
[2026-05-27T06:19:36Z] <midfavila> >:C
[2026-05-27T06:19:50Z] <midfavila> "oh this one is still alive" *CRUNCH*
[2026-05-27T06:20:09Z] <kris_> yeah yeah asmon has cockroaches and stallman eats stuff off of his foot at an event
[2026-05-27T06:20:12Z] <midfavila> "you know what they say chat, hakuna matata"
[2026-05-27T06:20:26Z] <midfavila> yeah but stallman has like
[2026-05-27T06:20:31Z] <midfavila> minor redeeming characteristics
[2026-05-27T06:20:45Z] <midfavila> he wrote the modernish version of emacs way back in prehistory
[2026-05-27T06:20:52Z] <midfavila> wtf did asmongold ever do beyond incite race riots
[2026-05-27T06:20:54Z] <kris_> i miss asmon from a few years ago i used to watch him a lot
[2026-05-27T06:20:59Z] <dery> didn't he also kickstart like, the libre software movement
[2026-05-27T06:20:59Z] <kris_> and then he started just talking about politics
[2026-05-27T06:21:01Z] <midfavila> asmonmold
[2026-05-27T06:21:03Z] <midfavila> dery yes
[2026-05-27T06:21:18Z] <midfavila> libre software is basically just an extended nerd tantrum over a printer
[2026-05-27T06:21:30Z] <dery> yes
[2026-05-27T06:21:33Z] <dery> as it should be
[2026-05-27T06:21:41Z] <midfavila> indubitably 
[2026-05-27T06:21:47Z] <dery> printers are still the bane of my existence, our job is still not done
[2026-05-27T06:21:59Z] <kris_> cups is like the best thing on earth
[2026-05-27T06:22:02Z] <dery> we might as well have failed as far as i am concerned
[2026-05-27T06:22:12Z] <midfavila> dery: have you seen the openprinter
[2026-05-27T06:22:13Z] <kris_> i actually love printing from linux
[2026-05-27T06:22:14Z] <dery> yes but my printer sucks ass and doesn't work with IPP
[2026-05-27T06:22:16Z] <kris_> its such a nightmare on winblows
[2026-05-27T06:22:17Z] <midfavila> someone finally did it and made an open source 2d printer
[2026-05-27T06:22:20Z] <dery> midfavila: yea
[2026-05-27T06:22:25Z] <midfavila> we have open source plotters
[2026-05-27T06:22:29Z] <midfavila> open source 3d printers
[2026-05-27T06:22:33Z] <midfavila> open source entire fucking computers
[2026-05-27T06:22:44Z] <midfavila> and yet no 2d printer until some guys from france come along 
[2026-05-27T06:22:49Z] <dery> my parents barely agreed to buy me a cheapass 3d printer in middle school
[2026-05-27T06:22:54Z] <dery> they are not gonna change this thing
[2026-05-27T06:22:57Z] <dery> it works with the "app"
[2026-05-27T06:23:05Z] <dery> doesn't even work with android's standard printing subsystem ffs
[2026-05-27T06:23:14Z] <midfavila> is it like a networked thing
[2026-05-27T06:23:18Z] <dery> yes
[2026-05-27T06:23:20Z] <midfavila> you could snoop on the traffic with wireshark probably 
[2026-05-27T06:23:24Z] <dery> the issue is
[2026-05-27T06:23:25Z] <dery> it only
[2026-05-27T06:23:25Z] <midfavila> unless they have their own bullshit encryption
[2026-05-27T06:23:26Z] <dery> and ONLY
[2026-05-27T06:23:31Z] <dery> ingests its own crap binary format
[2026-05-27T06:23:37Z] <dery> I tried using netcat and all the fancy tricks
[2026-05-27T06:23:42Z] <midfavila> damn 
[2026-05-27T06:23:46Z] <dery> there are a lot of ports open, and all of them turn into blank hot pages
[2026-05-27T06:23:56Z] <dery> I tried pretty much every combination there is
[2026-05-27T06:24:14Z] <dery> actually I vividly remember once managing to print plain text (A CRAPTON I MIGHT ADD), only for it to never work again
[2026-05-27T06:24:29Z] <midfavila> see this sort of stuff is also why i want to go to school 
[2026-05-27T06:24:30Z] <dery> I like, accidentally output PS when trying to print stuff and was printing like 100 pages of PS
[2026-05-27T06:24:35Z] <midfavila> so many people i know are like 
[2026-05-27T06:24:46Z] <midfavila> "well we just have to cope with everything being corporate slop mid"
[2026-05-27T06:24:48Z] <kris_> midfavila: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0D4oZwCsA
[2026-05-27T06:24:51Z] <midfavila> "just have to use it and be grateful"
[2026-05-27T06:24:53Z] <midfavila> and it's like
[2026-05-27T06:24:54Z] <midfavila> no
[2026-05-27T06:24:54Z] <kris_> you've got me started on nostalgic videos now
[2026-05-27T06:24:57Z] <midfavila> fucking make an alternative
[2026-05-27T06:24:58Z] <kris_> because of the pizza time
[2026-05-27T06:25:02Z] <midfavila> oh god kris is being a boomboom again
[2026-05-27T06:25:14Z] <dery> ngl slop is making me think that uni might be even clumsier now 
[2026-05-27T06:25:32Z] <midfavila> that's a big reason i'm hesitant 
[2026-05-27T06:25:43Z] <dery> heard multiple complaints that students abuse the crap out of it, can't wait for teachers to start working around/with that
[2026-05-27T06:25:50Z] <midfavila> they already are here
[2026-05-27T06:25:55Z] <dery> I am not gonna go against a slop obstacle course because of fucking chatgpt
[2026-05-27T06:25:57Z] <midfavila> profs have started just using LLMs to make assignments 
[2026-05-27T06:26:03Z] <dery> that's just dumb
[2026-05-27T06:26:03Z] <midfavila> and then students use LLMs to solve them
[2026-05-27T06:26:11Z] <kris_> my english prof last semester literally told me she uses claude to grade stuff
[2026-05-27T06:26:14Z] <midfavila> and then profs use LLMs to check the LLM solution to the LLM assignment 
[2026-05-27T06:26:21Z] <midfavila> and it's like
[2026-05-27T06:26:26Z] <midfavila> what the fuck am i paying you for
[2026-05-27T06:26:34Z] <midfavila> i understand you have tenure and don't give a shit any more 
[2026-05-27T06:26:36Z] <midfavila> but like fuck off
[2026-05-27T06:27:00Z] <midfavila> maybe i could run for president of the student union and then try to get LLMs banned
[2026-05-27T06:27:03Z] <midfavila> that would be coool 
[2026-05-27T06:27:18Z] <dery> as if students would agree on banning them
[2026-05-27T06:27:22Z] <dery> it's like their dream
[2026-05-27T06:27:26Z] <kris_> at my uni llms are technically not allowed for students but it seems like professors don't really care
[2026-05-27T06:27:30Z] <kris_> for the most part
[2026-05-27T06:27:33Z] <midfavila> ughhhhhhhhhhhh this is why i hate commercialisation 
[2026-05-27T06:27:38Z] <dery> there are lots of cool nerds in unis, met some awesome ones, but they are NOT the majority
[2026-05-27T06:27:38Z] <midfavila> if you don't want to learn don't fucking go to school 
[2026-05-27T06:27:49Z] <midfavila> but ofc you need a uni degree to get a job flipping fucking burgers now
[2026-05-27T06:28:00Z] <midfavila> so everyone goes to uni even people who couldn't give less of a shit
[2026-05-27T06:28:19Z] <midfavila> "oh but mid how can you be mad at people having motivation to improve themselves" because they doooooooooooooooon't
[2026-05-27T06:28:25Z] <midfavila> extrinsic motivation is a fucking lie
[2026-05-27T06:28:32Z] <kris_> idk uni is kind of fake anyway
[2026-05-27T06:28:35Z] <midfavila> if it's not intrinsic then it's just cope
[2026-05-27T06:28:37Z] <kris_> i dont actually wanna uni i just do
[2026-05-27T06:28:51Z] <kris_> the only thing that's actually come from this is making a handful of friends
[2026-05-27T06:29:00Z] <midfavila> that's what college was for me
[2026-05-27T06:29:14Z] <midfavila> it was just two years of sitting in discord listening to the instructor talk about his crypto portfolio 
[2026-05-27T06:29:31Z] <midfavila> and correcting him on his fucking INCORRECT quizzes about loonix
[2026-05-27T06:29:38Z] <dery> yea socializing was great in my brief experience
[2026-05-27T06:29:41Z] <dery> also the professors were fire
[2026-05-27T06:29:56Z] <dery> it was just me not having the will to drag myself through the annoying subjects
[2026-05-27T06:30:13Z] <midfavila> https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=z54MpfR3XE4&listen=true
[2026-05-27T06:30:15Z] <kris_> midfavila: you're expecting a professor to know how to use linux
[2026-05-27T06:30:17Z] <kris_> #1 mistake
[2026-05-27T06:30:19Z] <midfavila> pepsi maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
[2026-05-27T06:30:22Z] <kris_> professors are never well versed in their field
[2026-05-27T06:30:23Z] <kris_> ime
[2026-05-27T06:30:25Z] <kris_> literally never
[2026-05-27T06:30:37Z] <midfavila> kris_: i'm expecting the professor to shut the fuck up and fix my grades when i can quote the literal fucking source code to prove them wrong 
[2026-05-27T06:30:38Z] <dery> oh crap mid why did you summon Him
[2026-05-27T06:30:45Z] <kris_> yknow what i want
[2026-05-27T06:30:47Z] <kris_> a cat
[2026-05-27T06:30:48Z] <midfavila> dery: PEPSI *MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN*
[2026-05-27T06:30:54Z] <dery> it doesn't load :sob:
[2026-05-27T06:30:57Z] * midfavila puts cat ears on kris_ 
[2026-05-27T06:30:58Z] <dery> He's too powerful
[2026-05-27T06:31:03Z] <midfavila> kat kris
[2026-05-27T06:31:23Z] <dery> all nadeko's instances aren't powerful enough to load Him
[2026-05-27T06:31:31Z] <midfavila> werks 4 me
[2026-05-27T06:31:37Z] <dery> which backend
[2026-05-27T06:31:45Z] <midfavila> B3
[2026-05-27T06:31:55Z] <kris_> midfavila: nope
[2026-05-27T06:32:00Z] <dery> > The media could not be loaded, either because the server or network failed or because the format is not supported.
[2026-05-27T06:32:06Z] <dery> mid you got blessed
[2026-05-27T06:32:10Z] <midfavila> damn
[2026-05-27T06:32:12Z] <dery> by the pepsi maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2026-05-27T06:32:14Z] <midfavila> different instance then idk 
[2026-05-27T06:32:16Z] <kris_> i need a cat they're such friends
[2026-05-27T06:32:22Z] <midfavila> i can feel the pepsi flowing through my veins
[2026-05-27T06:32:24Z] <midfavila> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2026-05-27T06:32:31Z] <kris_> i would kill for a diet pepsi right about now
[2026-05-27T06:32:35Z] <kris_> best tasting soda ever
[2026-05-27T06:32:37Z] <dery> yes I'll try one of the other... two instances that work sometimes
[2026-05-27T06:32:44Z] <midfavila> idk i like uhhhh
[2026-05-27T06:32:51Z] <midfavila> what's that one that old people and diabetics drink
[2026-05-27T06:32:54Z] <midfavila> grapefruit soda
[2026-05-27T06:33:10Z] <midfavila> fuck i can't remember it
[2026-05-27T06:33:27Z] <midfavila> fresca
[2026-05-27T06:33:33Z] <midfavila> fresca smacks
[2026-05-27T06:33:46Z] <dery> yay nerdvpn instance 9 works
[2026-05-27T06:34:02Z] <midfavila> pepsi maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
[2026-05-27T06:34:04Z] <dery> pepsi maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
[2026-05-27T06:36:06Z] <midfavila> i'm thinking of taking a semester or two of general studies and then transferring tbh
[2026-05-27T06:36:16Z] <midfavila> probably back to the east coast 
[2026-05-27T06:36:19Z] <midfavila> the prairies suck
[2026-05-27T06:36:31Z] <dery> oh fuck I messed up my benchmarks
[2026-05-27T06:36:38Z] <dery> I am NOT gonna run them again before switching to XFS
[2026-05-27T06:36:49Z] <dery> is there some in-place thing or do I need to copy-paste everything?
[2026-05-27T06:37:08Z] <midfavila> i would just back stuff up and then mkfs 
[2026-05-27T06:37:16Z] <midfavila> idk about anything else
[2026-05-27T06:37:45Z] <dery> uhhhhhhhhh
[2026-05-27T06:38:04Z] <midfavila> unless you're talking about your benchmarks specifically in which case i definitely don't know
[2026-05-27T06:38:11Z] <midfavila> it's like 1am here i need to go to bed
[2026-05-27T06:38:12Z] <dery> I think I can't do the tmpfs thing as I need FS cache
[2026-05-27T06:38:28Z] <dery> nono don't worry it's about migrating to XFS
[2026-05-27T06:38:47Z] <midfavila> i just saw someone say that now that coke is using genAI for their commercials pepsi should bring back pepsiman
[2026-05-27T06:38:50Z] <midfavila> that would be genius
[2026-05-27T06:38:56Z] <dery> yes
[2026-05-27T06:39:01Z] <dery> it would
[2026-05-27T06:39:05Z] <dery> mhhh root and home are different partitions
[2026-05-27T06:39:11Z] <midfavila> >made with 100% humans and practical effects 
[2026-05-27T06:39:12Z] <dery> I think this might be less painful than I thought
[2026-05-27T06:40:19Z] <midfavila> okay one more loop of pepsi man and then it's bedtime
[2026-05-27T06:44:11Z] <midfavila> okay nini
[2026-05-27T06:46:39Z] <kris_> gn
[2026-05-27T06:55:32Z] <kris_> bbaovanc: sup fucker
[2026-05-27T06:55:58Z] <bbaovanc> minecraft
[2026-05-27T06:56:10Z] <bbaovanc> Am I doxing my IP
[2026-05-27T06:56:31Z] <kris_> if you don't have the cloak enabled and arent running your bouncer through a proxy then yeah
[2026-05-27T06:56:37Z] <kris_> proxy/vpn/whatever
[2026-05-27T06:56:51Z] <bbaovanc> I searched soju cloak but it's giving me alcohol
[2026-05-27T06:57:02Z] <kris_> its a libera feature
[2026-05-27T06:57:41Z] <bbaovanc> although it does not necessarily provide anonymity or prevent the discovery of your IP address, see below.
[2026-05-27T06:57:48Z] <kris_> yeh
[2026-05-27T06:57:58Z] <kris_> this is why i have a vpn gateway to route random things through
[2026-05-27T06:58:12Z] <bbaovanc> Oh it says if you aren't using sasl but I already am
[2026-05-27T06:58:25Z] <kris_> oh right i think they enabled cloaking by default
[2026-05-27T06:58:41Z] <bbaovanc> Can you check for me
[2026-05-27T06:58:49Z] <kris_> senpai doesnt show me that stuff
[2026-05-27T06:58:59Z] <kris_> midfavila: are you in bedge or can you see bbaovancs IP
[2026-05-27T06:59:48Z] <bbaovanc> How am I able to see you typing
[2026-05-27T06:59:54Z] <kris_> bbaovanc has username ~bbaovanc and host user/bbaovanc (mask bbaovanc!~bbaovanc@user/bbaovanc)
[2026-05-27T07:00:03Z] <kris_> i can see this from your /whois so im assuming that means you have masking enabled
[2026-05-27T07:00:14Z] <kris_> ircv3 feature, some clients like senpai support it
[2026-05-27T07:00:22Z] <kris_> you can turn it off if you dont want people to see when you're typing
[2026-05-27T07:00:33Z] <kris_> assuming mask == cloak
[2026-05-27T07:00:55Z] <kris_> dery: do you know how to view that on senpai or if that's a thing
[2026-05-27T07:01:18Z] <bbaovanc> wtf detour is in here
[2026-05-27T07:01:26Z] <kris_> ya
[2026-05-27T07:03:06Z] <bbaovanc> putting this soju on a kubernetes cluster with an ingress server and egress gateway both running on my VPS would go so hard
[2026-05-27T07:03:15Z] <bbaovanc> you don't even understand it
[2026-05-27T07:05:29Z] <kris_> no not really
[2026-05-27T07:05:41Z] <kris_> i just have a void vm on my server that hosts soju and it goes through a vpn
[2026-05-27T07:05:45Z] <kris_> for egress
[2026-05-27T07:05:55Z] <kris_> and i access my bouncer remotely via the vpn on my router
[2026-05-27T07:05:57Z] <kris_> ezpz
[2026-05-27T07:07:07Z] <bbaovanc> but imagine this: vpn with a couple layers of junk daemons called kube-proxy added on to make it fun
[2026-05-27T07:23:26Z] <dery> kris_: yes you can
[2026-05-27T07:23:33Z] <dery> just do /whois bbaovanc
[2026-05-27T07:23:43Z] <dery> you're cloaked
[2026-05-27T07:23:48Z] <kris_> i dont know if whois' usually show IPs
[2026-05-27T07:23:55Z] <dery> it's not a whois query
[2026-05-27T07:23:58Z] <dery> it's a server command
[2026-05-27T07:24:07Z] <kris_> oh
[2026-05-27T07:24:10Z] <dery> also /whowas is useful
[2026-05-27T07:24:40Z] <dery> good ol' /help is your friend
[2026-05-27T18:08:24Z] <dery> lesssss goooooooooo
[2026-05-27T18:08:27Z] <dery> I'm runnin on XFS now
[2026-05-27T18:08:59Z] <dery> I've been pretty reckless: huge ass restic backup on my NAS, restore
[2026-05-27T18:09:04Z] <dery> worked and I feel lucky
[2026-05-27T18:09:12Z] <dery> now let's try ccache with reflink
[2026-05-27T18:15:45Z] <dery> also wowzies is restic nice
[2026-05-27T18:16:21Z] <dery> it's like zpaq but for more complex backups and nicer for remote backends
[2026-05-27T18:50:51Z] <dery> aaand the electrical grid is acting funky once again