[2026-05-30T05:33:15Z] <kris_> i am currently trying the jay window manager i was talking about
[2026-05-30T05:33:25Z] <kris_> this is the strangest wm i have ever used
[2026-05-30T07:25:36Z] <kris_> doesnt even come close to sway in terms of being functional sadly
[2026-05-30T09:46:28Z] <dery> oh I know that one
[2026-05-30T09:47:29Z] <dery> haven't used it directly but it's actually a really interesting implementation done by a very skilled fella
[2026-05-30T09:48:18Z] <dery> they're really active on #wayland and made a very cool tool based on my weird experiment
[2026-05-30T10:08:32Z] <dery> oh right it's on oftc.net
[2026-05-30T10:08:51Z] <dery> I can see that on senpai it shows as a link, no idea if that's a problem
[2026-05-30T18:19:56Z] <kris_> dery: it's a really nice window manager but it's just got some really odd issues
[2026-05-30T18:23:12Z] <kris_> i wasnt actually able to get screen capture working for anything other than wl-screenrec
[2026-05-30T19:47:44Z] <dery> that's weird kris_ 
[2026-05-30T19:47:54Z] <dery> pretty sure its got its own portal
[2026-05-30T19:48:04Z] <dery> maybe you just need to configure it
[2026-05-30T20:07:29Z] <kris_> dery: yeah idk the portal was running, couldnt get discord or obs to capture my display
[2026-05-30T20:08:18Z] <kris_> i did run them with elevated privileges (via jay run-privileged) and that also didnt help
[2026-05-30T20:08:31Z] <kris_> side note, this kicks ass: github.com/russelltg/wl-screenrec/
[2026-05-30T20:08:41Z] <kris_> it works so fuggin well
[2026-05-30T21:26:37Z] <midfavila> does wayland have a *stable* vnc viewer yet
[2026-05-30T21:27:02Z] <midfavila> i found literally one and it's just a fuckin github repo with zero packaging in debian etc
[2026-05-30T21:31:53Z] <kris_> midfavila: i sincerely doubt it because VNC isn't really used anymore
[2026-05-30T21:31:58Z] <kris_> it's not a good protocol
[2026-05-30T21:33:57Z] <kris_> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mstoeckl/waypipe
[2026-05-30T21:34:00Z] <kris_> this is what i use for remote desktop stuff
[2026-05-30T21:34:05Z] <kris_> runs over ssh
[2026-05-30T21:34:30Z] <kris_> it works *shockingly* well, on LAN at least it's low latency enough to work well for twitch shooters like counterstrike even
[2026-05-30T21:43:49Z] <midfavila> well, i'm not switching to wayshit on my desktop
[2026-05-30T21:44:02Z] <kris_> i mean just use xwayland
[2026-05-30T21:44:12Z] <kris_> if you really want a vnc viewer on your desktop, x11 stuff still works fine
[2026-05-30T21:44:16Z] <kris_> it's the capturing part that generally doesnt
[2026-05-30T21:44:16Z] <midfavila> also sucks >.>
[2026-05-30T21:44:23Z] <kris_> i thought you liked x
[2026-05-30T21:44:30Z] <midfavila> i'm just going to work on porting my setup to the pinenote so i can use x natively on it
[2026-05-30T21:44:33Z] <midfavila> i tolerate x
[2026-05-30T21:44:37Z] <midfavila> it actually works at least
[2026-05-30T21:44:42Z] <kris_> questionable
[2026-05-30T21:44:44Z] <kris_> but anyway
[2026-05-30T21:44:48Z] <midfavila> works on my machine
[2026-05-30T21:44:53Z] <kris_> i dont know of anyone trying to get vnc to work well with wayland
[2026-05-30T21:44:55Z] <kris_> gnome has their own rdp stuff
[2026-05-30T21:45:05Z] <midfavila> because of course gnome uses rdp
[2026-05-30T21:45:26Z] <midfavila> i'm just trying to get my pinenote to work as an external monitor over the network 
[2026-05-30T21:45:30Z] <midfavila> i have it working for the most part 
[2026-05-30T21:45:49Z] <midfavila> but i would prefer to not use kludges like xwayland
[2026-05-30T21:45:53Z] <kris_> waypipe kinda blows my mind
[2026-05-30T21:46:02Z] <kris_> its the only good remote desktop experience ive *ever* had period regardless
[2026-05-30T21:46:08Z] <kris_> and this is a problem i was trying to solve for literally like 10 years
[2026-05-30T21:46:15Z] <midfavila> >rust
[2026-05-30T21:46:16Z] <midfavila> into the trash
[2026-05-30T21:46:40Z] <kris_> i mean im not happy about that but its also not a showstopper
[2026-05-30T21:46:49Z] <midfavila> is for me
[2026-05-30T21:47:04Z] <midfavila> you know what forget i asked anything
[2026-05-30T21:47:10Z] <kris_> a lot of the good stuff in the wayland ecosystem is written in rust sadly
[2026-05-30T21:47:16Z] <kris_> jay, wl-screenrec, waypipe
[2026-05-30T21:47:26Z] <kris_> it *does* take forever to compile this stuff
[2026-05-30T21:47:28Z] <kris_> even with my 20 cores