[2026-06-01T02:33:14Z] <Bienlein> Hello, I am the same guy that annoyed you before, that could compile his kernel probably. I am still stuck. Would someone be down to hop in a call and explain some stuff and work me through it?
[2026-06-01T02:33:56Z] <Bienlein> *couldn't
[2026-06-01T04:01:20Z] <kris_> just microwaved myself some good tea
[2026-06-01T05:56:44Z] <sad_plan> kris_: youre wrong. the website even says so. although, it also says 'and more', which points to the fact that it does more than just being a text editor. but its main focus is text editing
[2026-06-01T18:14:44Z] <midfavila> kris_: you should recompile your GCC so it can compile elisp to machine code
[2026-06-01T18:14:54Z] <midfavila> altho you need libgccjit for that 
[2026-06-01T18:14:55Z] <midfavila> iirc
[2026-06-01T18:15:33Z] <midfavila> if you set emacs up to byte-compile or compile elisp then after an initial compilation period emacs is much snappier
[2026-06-01T18:15:49Z] <midfavila> the former can be done with emacs alone, but it's not as fast as machine code 
[2026-06-01T18:16:07Z] <midfavila> so like iirc the interpreter actually works with bytecode on a stack 
[2026-06-01T18:16:29Z] <midfavila> and emacs compiles elisp into the necessary vm bytecode on the fly 
[2026-06-01T18:16:41Z] <midfavila> but it's not stored on disc because it can take up a little extra space 
[2026-06-01T18:16:59Z] <midfavila> but you can configure emacs to store the bytecode and prefer it if present
[2026-06-01T18:17:14Z] <midfavila> and the same can be done with elisp executables
[2026-06-01T18:17:57Z] <midfavila> as for startup the main thing that tends to slow emacs down initially is flushing its cache or w/e
[2026-06-01T18:18:18Z] <midfavila> so you can just increase the amount of memory that it can use temporarily so it doesn't flush unused objects until *after* it's ready to go
[2026-06-01T18:18:31Z] <midfavila> emacs' defaults are quite conservative so
[2026-06-01T18:18:32Z] <midfavila> ye
[2026-06-01T18:20:23Z] <midfavila> one sec let me check check my config 
[2026-06-01T18:20:26Z] <midfavila> i had this all set up a while ago
[2026-06-01T18:21:57Z] <midfavila> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck i might have lost my emacs config
[2026-06-01T18:22:00Z] <midfavila> unlimited despair
[2026-06-01T18:22:07Z] <midfavila> it was like 2k lines of elisp
[2026-06-01T18:22:29Z] <midfavila> okay no we're safe
[2026-06-01T18:22:33Z] <midfavila> unlimited hope
[2026-06-01T18:23:24Z] <midfavila> (setq gc-cons-threshold (* 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000))
[2026-06-01T18:23:50Z] <midfavila> just stick this at the start of your emacs config 
[2026-06-01T18:26:43Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: nobody is wrong
[2026-06-01T18:26:54Z] <midfavila> emacs just has an exceptionally broad definition of "text editing"
[2026-06-01T18:26:55Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-06-01T18:27:37Z] <midfavila> it's a matter of a philosophical difference between emacs and unix i think
[2026-06-01T18:27:42Z] <midfavila> emacs isn't really "unix software"
[2026-06-01T18:27:54Z] <midfavila> i.e. it doesn't even remotely attempt to adhere to unix design principles 
[2026-06-01T18:28:00Z] <midfavila> it's essentially a portable lisp system 
[2026-06-01T18:28:31Z] <midfavila> it just happens to have been created with the intention of specialising in text editing
[2026-06-01T18:28:51Z] <midfavila> so as long as a problem can be framed *as* text editing, emacs can comfortably solve it
[2026-06-01T18:29:05Z] <midfavila> and editing text is kind of a broad scope lol
[2026-06-01T18:29:24Z] <midfavila> like sure emacs iirc has at least one built in drawing programme
[2026-06-01T18:29:28Z] <midfavila> for example
[2026-06-01T18:29:39Z] <midfavila> but that drawing programme is really just another way of editing text 
[2026-06-01T18:29:49Z] <midfavila> albeit a highly abstract method
[2026-06-01T18:33:44Z] <midfavila> man i really need to get back into lispy stuff
[2026-06-01T18:33:52Z] <midfavila> i want to try using s9fes for prototyping 
[2026-06-01T18:34:11Z] <midfavila> sad_plan: kris_: if either of you are remotely interested in lisp you should check out s9fes
[2026-06-01T18:34:41Z] <midfavila> it's a really superb scheme 4 environment, with a full set of libraries for writing software on unix
[2026-06-01T18:35:00Z] <midfavila> also runs on p9 albeit with less features because not all of the same apis are present
[2026-06-01T18:35:07Z] <midfavila> sockets and curses for example
[2026-06-01T20:57:28Z] <midfavila> btw has anyone here ever looked at uzbl?
[2026-06-01T20:57:45Z] <midfavila> suckless-style tools built around webkit as an alternative to surf
[2026-06-01T20:57:59Z] <midfavila> it hasn't worked in ages but it seems really cool 
[2026-06-01T21:18:22Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: I got it launching on my desktop. but seeing as its been ages since it last got updated, i decided against it, because of the issues that would follow getting it to work somewhat sufficiently. i also switched fully to wayland/swc now, so it doesnt work anyway for me
[2026-06-01T21:22:41Z] <midfavila> fair
[2026-06-01T21:23:03Z] <midfavila> i'm just thinking if i want to keep poking at nyxt or try to get uzbl to run again 
[2026-06-01T21:23:16Z] <midfavila> i can't stand running firefox any more
[2026-06-01T21:39:21Z] <shrub> sad_plan: which compositor you using