[2026-06-17T06:58:53Z] <midfavila> hey kris_ i know you're b& forever for eating all of vulpine's graham crackers or whatever but i bet you're still lurking the logs 
[2026-06-17T06:59:07Z] <midfavila> and you were talking about like e-bikes and shit for a while and i found one you might like
[2026-06-17T06:59:18Z] <midfavila> https://www.sparkcycleworks.com
[2026-06-17T06:59:38Z] <midfavila> it's less an "e-bike" and more an "e-moped" but apparently it's made in america and complies with local legislation and it's road legal and shit
[2026-06-17T07:08:43Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/djanderson/aho
[2026-06-17T07:08:50Z] <midfavila> this could be interesting to some of you
[2026-06-17T07:08:55Z] <midfavila> basic git implementation in GNU awk
[2026-06-17T07:09:10Z] <midfavila> i have to wonder if it could be adapted to POSIX awk 
[2026-06-17T07:09:52Z] <midfavila> if it could be rewritten in mostly posix awk with some posix shell routines to assist in more complex things, i bet you could even manage to implement things like clone 
[2026-06-17T07:10:19Z] <midfavila> then you could move git and curl out of core, if so desired...
[2026-06-17T07:16:59Z] <dery> midfavila: that aho thing is sooo cool! Thank you for sharing
[2026-06-17T07:17:37Z] <dery> too bad that it's been untouched for 5 years. I'm afraid we'll never see a full checklist :(
[2026-06-17T07:19:24Z] <midfavila> well, it's something that i would like to do, at some point
[2026-06-17T07:19:29Z] <midfavila> even if that some point is another five years on
[2026-06-17T07:20:02Z] <midfavila> if for no other reason than to fully break my dependence on libre/openssl 
[2026-06-17T07:20:35Z] <dery> also I'm not sure if it'd be possible to do it entirely in posix awk tho
[2026-06-17T07:20:44Z] <dery> *especially* the networking stuff
[2026-06-17T07:20:49Z] <midfavila> oh, well, yeah 
[2026-06-17T07:20:55Z] <midfavila> but i was thinking like
[2026-06-17T07:21:01Z] <midfavila> implementing the core logic in awk
[2026-06-17T07:21:18Z] <midfavila> and then using posix shell and other utils to support it where it isn't capable of the rest
[2026-06-17T07:21:44Z] <dery> mh, I guess that could work, altho at this point I'm not sure what'd be the point of using awk in the first place :P
[2026-06-17T07:21:45Z] <midfavila> ideally networking would be handled using any userland program that can both put and get over http 
[2026-06-17T07:21:50Z] <dery> does git use a lot of tabular data?
[2026-06-17T07:22:06Z] <midfavila> tbh idc if it's awk or something else lol
[2026-06-17T07:22:22Z] <dery> oh
[2026-06-17T07:22:27Z] <dery> well this reminds me of shit
[2026-06-17T07:22:31Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2026-06-17T07:22:42Z] <midfavila> i was looking at shit, but it's, well, yeah :P 
[2026-06-17T07:22:43Z] <dery> btw best name ever made
[2026-06-17T07:22:54Z] <dery> makes me laugh every time
[2026-06-17T07:22:56Z] <midfavila> it's neat but since it's just a demo... 
[2026-06-17T07:23:12Z] <midfavila> honestly if i can clone repos and submodules then i'm happy 
[2026-06-17T07:23:20Z] <dery> fair
[2026-06-17T07:23:21Z] <midfavila> i have zero desire to use git personally atm
[2026-06-17T07:23:37Z] <midfavila> but not all of the software i have is available as a tarball 
[2026-06-17T07:23:39Z] <dery> actually I'm curious how much git porcelain is dependent on the core itself
[2026-06-17T07:23:51Z] <dery> like if it just runs plumbing commands in the background
[2026-06-17T07:23:56Z] <dery> you could just reimplement those
[2026-06-17T07:24:18Z] <midfavila> something to look at
[2026-06-17T07:24:21Z] <midfavila> i'm not in any hurry tbh
[2026-06-17T07:24:37Z] <midfavila> my main goal atm is finishing my bare-minimum replacement for xmenu 
[2026-06-17T07:25:00Z] <dery> Also I'm still of the opinion that git *is* a software distribution system, despite what some people say. It's pretty much the only consistent way of getting differentials from everywhere
[2026-06-17T07:25:12Z] <dery> or is it differences
[2026-06-17T07:25:27Z] <dery> I think differences
[2026-06-17T07:25:37Z] <midfavila> i don't have any particular opinion on git because i don't use it
[2026-06-17T07:25:47Z] <dery> oh yeye I mean to download stuff
[2026-06-17T07:25:51Z] <dery> more than actually using it
[2026-06-17T07:26:02Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2026-06-17T07:26:31Z] <dery> as in, instead of downloading a huge ass tarball of the linux kernel all the time git is more efficient than even the patch-files it provides
[2026-06-17T07:26:35Z] <midfavila> all i know is that hard-depending on curl and open/libressl is annoying 
[2026-06-17T07:26:41Z] <dery> yea that's fair
[2026-06-17T07:26:50Z] <midfavila> literally nothing else in my setup does
[2026-06-17T07:26:52Z] <dery> what was the issue with tree-of-something?
[2026-06-17T07:27:01Z] <midfavila> i could never get got to work 
[2026-06-17T07:27:03Z] <midfavila> can't recall why
[2026-06-17T07:27:16Z] <midfavila> maybe i'll poke at it more in the future 
[2026-06-17T07:27:16Z] <dery> oof
[2026-06-17T07:27:49Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk the only thing left that relies on libre/openssl in my setup is links2 and i don't intend for that to last long
[2026-06-17T07:28:03Z] <midfavila> it's /going/ to link against libtls whether it *likes it or not*
[2026-06-17T07:28:11Z] <dery> lmao
[2026-06-17T07:28:24Z] <midfavila> idc if my patch is garbage it's going to happen 
[2026-06-17T07:28:32Z] <dery> is it going to with some compatibility library or is libtls ABI compatible?
[2026-06-17T07:28:40Z] <midfavila> no
[2026-06-17T07:28:42Z] <midfavila> it needs to be patched
[2026-06-17T07:28:49Z] <dery> oh, I see
[2026-06-17T07:28:54Z] <midfavila> libtls is the libressl abstraction api 
[2026-06-17T07:28:55Z] <midfavila> so like
[2026-06-17T07:29:01Z] <midfavila> if you target libtls
[2026-06-17T07:29:12Z] <midfavila> then any crypto library could be used so long as libtls is implemented on top of it
[2026-06-17T07:29:22Z] <midfavila> i'm using bearssl on my setup 
[2026-06-17T07:29:27Z] <dery> that's so cool
[2026-06-17T07:29:36Z] <dery> that's the correct option, so based
[2026-06-17T07:29:39Z] <midfavila> bear is like 20k lines of C 
[2026-06-17T07:29:48Z] <dery> why didn't anybody think of this earlier?
[2026-06-17T07:29:50Z] <midfavila> versus the half million or whatever that open is
[2026-06-17T07:29:56Z] <midfavila> because openssl just werks
[2026-06-17T07:29:59Z] <midfavila> :tm:
[2026-06-17T07:30:29Z] <dery> sadge
[2026-06-17T07:30:33Z] <midfavila> but yeah afaik links2 is the only thing that needs patching 
[2026-06-17T07:30:44Z] <midfavila> hopefully it's not too hard
[2026-06-17T07:31:14Z] <midfavila> i might just steal my dial() function from my old multiprotocol client and shove that into links 
[2026-06-17T07:31:30Z] <midfavila> it doesn't have to be a good patch if i'm the only one using it
[2026-06-17T07:32:10Z] <midfavila> apport was always written targeting libtls and iirc dial() uses libtls to automagically encrypt HTTPS/FTPS/GopherS etcetera connections
[2026-06-17T07:33:21Z] <midfavila> honestly as much as i like links2 i've been thinking about trying to write a simpler clone of it
[2026-06-17T07:34:02Z] <midfavila> or finding some sort of simple html4.1... parser? renderer? whatever. and then trying to slap together an athena-based alternative to links 
[2026-06-17T07:34:30Z] <midfavila> i think phoebos was looking at motif renderers a while ago
[2026-06-17T07:36:16Z] <midfavila> https://sourceforge.net/projects/xmhtml/
[2026-06-17T07:36:24Z] <midfavila> 3.2
[2026-06-17T07:36:25Z] <midfavila> good enough
[2026-06-17T08:09:20Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/MagnetarRocket/websurf oh...
[2026-06-17T08:09:22Z] <midfavila> this could be nice
[2026-06-17T08:09:40Z] <midfavila> i also saw someone suggest this person use tkhtml instead of xmhtml... 
[2026-06-17T08:10:44Z] <midfavila> https://vergenet.net/~conrad/express/screenshots.html
[2026-06-17T08:10:47Z] <midfavila> this also exists
[2026-06-17T19:48:48Z] <swasmi> hello i have a issue with wine/wine forks my games/apps cant get through a white (sometimes its black depends on the app) screen it just a graphical thing the sound works fine I can press the buttons from the white thing this also happens in any proton (wine forks) and vanilla wine itself I only chose superhot as a example
[2026-06-17T19:48:49Z] <swasmi> If Its going to help heres my superhot logs: https://pastebin.com/GVBbX6uD
[2026-06-17T19:48:49Z] <swasmi> I couldn't saw any errors if i didint missed one
[2026-06-17T19:48:50Z] <swasmi> heres a image: https://imgur.com/a/3Yh3BeM
[2026-06-17T19:48:50Z] <swasmi> It would be great if someone could help me
[2026-06-17T19:48:51Z] <swasmi> a note: i dont want any x11 / xorg stuff the wine wayland has been merged i wanna keep my system simple and minimal as possible