[2026-06-22T01:15:18Z] <midfavila> just found a neat little text browser
[2026-06-22T01:15:24Z] <midfavila> it hasn't been worked on since 2006 which is unfortunate
[2026-06-22T01:15:30Z] <midfavila> but it's super tiny and easy to fiddle with
[2026-06-22T01:15:35Z] <midfavila> "netrik"
[2026-06-22T01:15:40Z] <midfavila> some guy called antrik wrote it 
[2026-06-22T01:15:51Z] <midfavila> the code is kind of clunky but it's only 7k lines of C
[2026-06-22T01:16:05Z] <midfavila> i would really classify it as more of an html-aware pager than a browser 
[2026-06-22T01:16:07Z] <midfavila> which is a compliment 
[2026-06-22T01:16:33Z] <midfavila> literally only had to add two lines to have it support https since it offloads connections to wget 
[2026-06-22T01:16:40Z] <midfavila> but you could totally modify it to use any external client 
[2026-06-22T01:17:04Z] <midfavila> tbh if you were to clone links2's hooks system it would be really comfy...
[2026-06-22T01:17:10Z] <midfavila> also the binary is *tiny*
[2026-06-22T01:17:16Z] <midfavila> 99k on my setup 
[2026-06-22T01:17:21Z] <midfavila> with slackware mind
[2026-06-22T01:17:34Z] <midfavila> i honestly might switch to it and start hacking on it 
[2026-06-22T01:18:02Z] <midfavila> the rendering is a little primitive which is totally fine. but it's enough to browse sdf
[2026-06-22T01:18:15Z] <midfavila> i imagine invidious would be usable if it wasn't for that stupid fucking anubis bullshit
[2026-06-22T01:18:49Z] <midfavila> but considering cookies are handled by an external client and there's an article i read a little while ago that implements an anubis solver in c... 
[2026-06-22T01:18:52Z] <midfavila> hm
[2026-06-22T01:20:49Z] <midfavila> yeah this is super cute 
[2026-06-22T01:20:52Z] <midfavila> i like this a lot
[2026-06-22T01:21:27Z] <midfavila> needs to have support for editing text fields and some way to understand when POST'ing is necessary and then it would be super usable 
[2026-06-22T01:21:38Z] <midfavila> honestly it even renders simple pages like wikipedia's entries really well 
[2026-06-22T01:22:30Z] <midfavila> since it offloads all the UI to curses it can even render non-latin languages
[2026-06-22T01:23:12Z] <midfavila> cyrillic, arabic, hebrew, chinese, japanese, and various indian scripts all seem to work well
[2026-06-22T01:23:57Z] <midfavila> sri lankan writing... greek... more scripts that i don't recognise, too 
[2026-06-22T01:23:58Z] <midfavila> wow
[2026-06-22T01:28:03Z] <midfavila> needs to be modified to not use ncursesw if that's possible... that would break i18n but for my purposes that's fine
[2026-06-22T02:20:53Z] <dery> midfavila: didn't anubis explicitly allow text browsers by default
[2026-06-22T02:21:01Z] <dery> altho it might block wget
[2026-06-22T02:25:14Z] <midfavila> dery last i heard that wasn't the case
[2026-06-22T02:25:18Z] <midfavila> if so then that's slightly less annoying
[2026-06-22T02:25:20Z] <midfavila> also
[2026-06-22T02:25:41Z] <midfavila> i have managed to get netrik to compile using musl and netbsd curses
[2026-06-22T02:25:47Z] <midfavila> it barely works but it does compile 
[2026-06-22T02:26:42Z] <midfavila> now to see if i can make it work with hurl
[2026-06-22T02:33:15Z] <dery> what's hurl mid
[2026-06-22T02:34:40Z] <dery> I found a thing but it's written in rust and IIRC you said you were avoiding stuff written in that?
[2026-06-22T02:35:38Z] <dery> also based on curl lol
[2026-06-22T02:35:42Z] <dery> definitely not what you're talking about
[2026-06-22T02:40:15Z] <midfavila> hurl is from fastestcode
[2026-06-22T02:40:20Z] <midfavila> i prefer apport because i'm vain 
[2026-06-22T02:40:24Z] <midfavila> but hurl is very good too
[2026-06-22T02:40:40Z] <midfavila> it's a simple alternative to curl in <=1ksloc of C and it uses libtls 
[2026-06-22T02:40:47Z] <midfavila> so it can link against bearssl 
[2026-06-22T02:41:21Z] <midfavila> i'm trying to get something resembling a bare-minimum viable setup of my rootfs going tonight
[2026-06-22T02:41:30Z] <midfavila> the last major thing i need is a basic browser 
[2026-06-22T02:41:42Z] <midfavila> links2 isn't something i feel like tinkering with atm 
[2026-06-22T02:41:53Z] <midfavila> so i'm working on netrik instead
[2026-06-22T02:42:35Z] <midfavila> fortunately it's easy to work around the autotools build system it was written with, you can just do the stupid approach of cc*.c -o netrik -lcurses -lterminfo 
[2026-06-22T02:42:53Z] <dery> can you please link it? I can only find the rust thing xD
[2026-06-22T02:43:00Z] <midfavila> last thing i need to do to have something sort of viable is figure out why it's not properly refreshing the window buffer when loading a new page
[2026-06-22T02:43:03Z] <midfavila> sure
[2026-06-22T02:43:06Z] <midfavila> one sec
[2026-06-22T02:43:48Z] <midfavila> https://codemadness.org/hurl.html
[2026-06-22T02:43:52Z] <dery> ty
[2026-06-22T02:43:53Z] <midfavila> codemadness not fastestcode
[2026-06-22T02:43:54Z] <midfavila> my bad
[2026-06-22T02:43:59Z] <dery> nw
[2026-06-22T02:44:22Z] <dery> nice!
[2026-06-22T02:44:30Z] <midfavila> i don't like that the author wrote their own parser for URIs but it's still super clean 
[2026-06-22T02:44:57Z] <midfavila> and it's undeniable that their approach is both faster and results in a smaller binary size than my approach with apport, which uses posix's regex parser
[2026-06-22T02:45:22Z] <dery> yea a dedicated parser will always win
[2026-06-22T02:46:22Z] <midfavila> but yeah only things left for netrik are to like
[2026-06-22T02:46:29Z] <midfavila> fix the rendering issue
[2026-06-22T02:46:39Z] <midfavila> and maybe try implementing support for text fields and POSTing tonight 
[2026-06-22T02:48:22Z] <midfavila> i'll need to sit down and rewrite a good chunk of this since it's not implemented in as nice a way as i would like, not to mention adding hooks and a simple way to define keybinds... maybe do all that with a config.h file
[2026-06-22T02:49:36Z] <midfavila> honestly the idea here is really nice... 
[2026-06-22T02:51:26Z] <midfavila> i could hook one of those plaintext bookmark management utilities into netrik with a bind, and handle multimedia with a plumbing script... 
[2026-06-22T02:52:10Z] <midfavila> fuck i need to do more computer stuff
[2026-06-22T03:45:05Z] <dery> FUCK
[2026-06-22T03:45:08Z] <dery> it is almost 6
[2026-06-22T03:45:16Z] <dery> gtg
[2026-06-22T03:45:34Z] * dery disappears in one frame while screaming
[2026-06-22T04:16:28Z] <midfavila> rip
[2026-06-22T04:16:31Z] <midfavila> doing some more thinking
[2026-06-22T04:16:55Z] <midfavila> why not have a lowest-common-denominator hypertext format for netrik
[2026-06-22T04:17:13Z] <midfavila> and then have filters that accept, you know, html, or gopher, or gemini, or ftp listings, etcetera as input
[2026-06-22T04:17:25Z] <midfavila> and then produce that simplified hypertext format to be fed into netrik
[2026-06-22T04:17:52Z] <midfavila> then you could just implement support for whatever protocol(s) you want in your backend and netrik can handle the rest
[2026-06-22T04:18:09Z] <midfavila> well, and implement a simple... transpiler? transparser? 
[2026-06-22T04:18:35Z] <midfavila> by essentially just mapping tags from the format you want to view to the LCD format 
[2026-06-22T04:19:13Z] <midfavila> you could even extend that to local documents e.g. man pages
[2026-06-22T04:19:22Z] <midfavila> and then have a sort of info-like experience