[2026-06-29T00:24:31Z] <kris_> a
[2026-06-29T02:34:21Z] <midfavila> https://www.wired.com/story/china-defies-us-restrictions-and-builds-the-worlds-fastest-supercomputer/
[2026-06-29T04:44:43Z] <kris_> pretty sick actually
[2026-06-29T04:44:46Z] <kris_> apparently all their own stuff
[2026-06-29T06:08:32Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2026-06-29T06:08:39Z] <midfavila> you know what else is pretty sick
[2026-06-29T06:08:42Z] <midfavila> what i'm making for dinner tonight
[2026-06-29T06:08:49Z] <kris_> its a burger isnt it
[2026-06-29T06:08:51Z] <midfavila> no
[2026-06-29T06:09:04Z] <midfavila> it's my attempt to make a "bulgogi bowl"
[2026-06-29T06:09:19Z] <midfavila> i had one for the first time the other day and i was kind of blown away
[2026-06-29T06:09:29Z] <midfavila> although i'm making a few changes out of necessity and preference
[2026-06-29T06:09:32Z] <kris_> first time im hearing of that
[2026-06-29T06:09:53Z] <midfavila> quinoa which i've toasted in sesame oil and then steamed, along with one of those asian-style vegetable mixes which is also steamed
[2026-06-29T06:10:05Z] <midfavila> and some mince pork because i don't have beef
[2026-06-29T06:10:10Z] <midfavila> but it's being fried in a sauce made of uhhh
[2026-06-29T06:10:46Z] <midfavila> soya sauce w/ added shiitake, green onions, some beef bouillon (for the beefy flavour), a little honey for caramelisation, ginger, and garlic 
[2026-06-29T06:10:57Z] <midfavila> brb stove
[2026-06-29T06:23:08Z] <kris_> seems interesting
[2026-06-29T06:23:27Z] <kris_> and kinda hard to make
[2026-06-29T06:24:34Z] <midfavila> nah
[2026-06-29T06:24:41Z] <midfavila> maybe 20 minutes of actual work
[2026-06-29T06:24:43Z] <midfavila> tops
[2026-06-29T06:24:58Z] <midfavila> the "hardest" part of the whole thing is whipping the ingredients for the sauce together 
[2026-06-29T06:25:06Z] <midfavila> but i just use pre-puree'd ginger and garlic 
[2026-06-29T06:25:29Z] <midfavila> so i just threw a few spoonfuls of that in a bowl with some soya sauce, honey, and the other stuff and whipped it together 
[2026-06-29T06:25:52Z] <midfavila> then the pork has been frying in some spare beef tallow i had (for extra flavour) for the past bit
[2026-06-29T06:26:01Z] <midfavila> i've just finished cooking it with the sauce which took maybe five minutes
[2026-06-29T06:26:07Z] <midfavila> turned out like a solid 9/10
[2026-06-29T06:26:31Z] <midfavila> as for the veggies and quinoa i just rinsed the quinoa and then threw it all in my rice cooker 
[2026-06-29T06:30:16Z] <midfavila> oop food is done
[2026-06-29T06:35:32Z] <midfavila> oh yeah this is going on the menu 
[2026-06-29T06:35:37Z] <midfavila> i'm glad i made extra sauce
[2026-06-29T06:39:54Z] <kris_> when are you gonna open a restaurant
[2026-06-29T06:40:35Z] <midfavila> i'm not good enough at cooking to open a restaurant lmao 
[2026-06-29T06:40:46Z] <midfavila> and anyway i would rather do some stuff with the local community kitchen 
[2026-06-29T06:40:59Z] <midfavila> what i would love to see is the creation of like
[2026-06-29T06:41:03Z] <midfavila> a "free cafe"
[2026-06-29T06:41:16Z] <midfavila> that can be run by the local food not bombs chapter and everyone can just eat there for free 
[2026-06-29T06:41:19Z] <midfavila> or at-cost
[2026-06-29T06:44:01Z] <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Cafe
[2026-06-29T06:44:03Z] <midfavila> something like this
[2026-06-29T06:44:22Z] <kris_> that would be pretty cool
[2026-06-29T06:44:35Z] <kris_> at-cost would be nice im tired of how expensive food is
[2026-06-29T06:45:51Z] <midfavila> yeah you're fucking telling me x-x
[2026-06-29T06:46:09Z] <midfavila> did i mention it's at the point where it's cheaper for me to just eat at buffets literally every day than cook at home
[2026-06-29T06:46:26Z] <kris_> i remember you mentioning that before i got banished to the shadow realm i think
[2026-06-29T06:46:36Z] <midfavila> a basic grocery run for the month is ~=CAD600
[2026-06-29T06:46:55Z] <midfavila> if i were to eat at the local uni it's 15-20 bucks a day depending on whether i go for breakfast or lunch 
[2026-06-29T06:47:16Z] <midfavila> and they run five days a week for lunch plus breakfast on weekends
[2026-06-29T06:47:23Z] <kris_> see thats insane to me
[2026-06-29T06:47:27Z] <midfavila> so it's really quite competitive considering like
[2026-06-29T06:47:32Z] <kris_> a single individual small slice of mediocre ass pizza is like $6 at my uni
[2026-06-29T06:47:35Z] <midfavila> i'm eating much much better at the cafeteria 
[2026-06-29T06:47:53Z] <midfavila> like it's 14 bucks and you can eat however much you want of their meats, fruits, vegetables, whatever
[2026-06-29T06:47:56Z] <midfavila> fresh bread and bagels 
[2026-06-29T06:47:59Z] <midfavila> everything
[2026-06-29T06:48:06Z] <midfavila> versus 600 bucks a month to live on oatmeal and mincemeat
[2026-06-29T06:49:02Z] <midfavila> tbh if i could like
[2026-06-29T06:49:12Z] <midfavila> help establish a commune here that's actually viable i would consider my life a success 
[2026-06-29T06:49:42Z] <midfavila> like get all of the different organisations here that provide services and shit to pool their resources, buy a building or otherwise (legally) acquire one, and then just like
[2026-06-29T06:49:53Z] <midfavila> idk set up some barracks and spend the day just doing shit for people idk
[2026-06-29T06:50:38Z] <midfavila> stuff
[2026-06-29T06:54:38Z] <kris_> yeah that would be more impact than 99% of people will ever have
[2026-06-29T06:54:45Z] <kris_> positive or negative
[2026-06-29T06:55:37Z] <midfavila> maybe
[2026-06-29T06:57:13Z] <midfavila> you know what
[2026-06-29T06:57:19Z] <midfavila> some sweet and spicy tofu would go well with this
[2026-06-29T06:57:23Z] <midfavila> fried up nice and crispy
[2026-06-29T07:34:09Z] <midfavila> speaking of which 
[2026-06-29T07:34:13Z] <midfavila> something i learned today
[2026-06-29T07:34:28Z] <midfavila> apparently the section of society that's terrified of soybeans has now evolved to being terrified of eating vegetables in general
[2026-06-29T07:34:40Z] <midfavila> kris_ you're hip with the youth is this true
[2026-06-29T07:35:12Z] <kris_> idfk i dont talk to people
[2026-06-29T07:36:33Z] <kris_> i didnt know people were terrified of soybeans
[2026-06-29T07:36:54Z] <midfavila> yeah illiterate morons a few years ago were screeching about muh soy 
[2026-06-29T07:36:58Z] <midfavila> muh phytoestrogens
[2026-06-29T07:37:08Z] <midfavila> if you eat tofu you're going to instantly wake up wearing skirts and thigh highs 
[2026-06-29T07:37:25Z] <midfavila> because i guess they flunked high school bio and chem 
[2026-06-29T07:38:58Z] <kris_> nah that only happens if you install arch
[2026-06-29T07:40:52Z] <midfavila> idk i installed arch and didn't get my complimentary programmer socks
[2026-06-29T07:41:06Z] <midfavila> then again i also jumped ship to crux like a week later because arch fucking sucks
[2026-06-29T07:41:22Z] <kris_> sorry version 2 of my statement just released
[2026-06-29T07:41:27Z] <kris_> that happens if you install arch and like it
[2026-06-29T07:41:32Z] <midfavila> damn
[2026-06-29T07:41:40Z] <kris_> i'm known as a goalpost mover
[2026-06-29T07:41:50Z] <midfavila> domain expander 
[2026-06-29T07:41:54Z] <gentoouser1337> how is crux?
[2026-06-29T07:42:00Z] <midfavila> crux is fine
[2026-06-29T07:42:00Z] <gentoouser1337> never used it
[2026-06-29T07:42:02Z] <midfavila> kiss is better
[2026-06-29T07:42:04Z] <kris_> its ok 
[2026-06-29T07:42:11Z] <kris_> they have a lot of packages tho
[2026-06-29T07:42:19Z] <midfavila> i can't actually fathom using anything other than kiss at this point as my main system 
[2026-06-29T07:42:22Z] <midfavila> or like something similar to it
[2026-06-29T07:42:29Z] <midfavila> SHIT THAT REMINDS ME I NEED TO FINISH MY DISTREO
[2026-06-29T07:42:30Z] <midfavila> fhidsgfshdh friefhured
[2026-06-29T07:42:39Z] <midfavila> i haven't touched it in like a fucking week holy SHIT dude
[2026-06-29T07:42:54Z] <kris_> i dont feel like doing literally anything right now idk whats going on
[2026-06-29T07:43:05Z] <kris_> i find it difficult to even watch a youtube video or show or movie right now
[2026-06-29T07:43:10Z] <midfavila> idk everything sucks and it's hard to feel motivation these days
[2026-06-29T07:43:20Z] <midfavila> i literally haven't gotten out of bed for anything over the past week
[2026-06-29T07:43:24Z] <kris_> this is just today for me i'm just like exhausted or something
[2026-06-29T07:43:25Z] <midfavila> not even metaphorically
[2026-06-29T07:43:26Z] <stilic> I'm making my own distro
[2026-06-29T07:43:35Z] <midfavila> aside from like what's necessary to not die i guess
[2026-06-29T07:43:39Z] <midfavila> i'm just bluuuuh
[2026-06-29T07:43:49Z] <midfavila> stilic: very cool :3
[2026-06-29T07:43:56Z] <kris_> im trying to get myself back into the flow after dealing with babysitting a genuine actual sociopath 8 hours a day all week
[2026-06-29T07:43:58Z] <midfavila> what are you doing with it? or is it just an lfs setup kinda thing?
[2026-06-29T07:44:04Z] <stilic> https://forge.starlightnet.work/stilic/StarlightOS
[2026-06-29T07:44:17Z] <kris_> i'm about to move from rtorrent to qbittorrent on my torrent VM
[2026-06-29T07:44:22Z] <kris_> i hate to do it but it has to be done
[2026-06-29T07:44:24Z] <kris_> ive had it
[2026-06-29T07:44:28Z] <midfavila> >he doesn't use btpd
[2026-06-29T07:44:40Z] <midfavila> btpd is so cool but it's also so fucking poorly written 
[2026-06-29T07:44:43Z] <stilic> midfavila: for now it's a package builder written in Lua
[2026-06-29T07:44:48Z] <midfavila> and not like in the sense of it's shit 
[2026-06-29T07:44:49Z] <midfavila> per se
[2026-06-29T07:44:49Z] <kris_> qbit devs clearly dont care about security but rtorrent devs clearly don't care about it working
[2026-06-29T07:44:59Z] <midfavila> but it uses muh clever tricks and it's stupid 
[2026-06-29T07:45:01Z] <kris_> or ig dev
[2026-06-29T07:45:13Z] <kris_> rtorrent has this stupid issue where if my network goes out, it just dies until it's restarted
[2026-06-29T07:45:17Z] <midfavila> like iirc the entirety of btpd operates on the stack 
[2026-06-29T07:45:19Z] <kris_> so i have to check it daily to make sure my stuff is still seeding
[2026-06-29T07:45:21Z] <midfavila> zero malloc 
[2026-06-29T07:45:23Z] <midfavila> which is cool 
[2026-06-29T07:45:28Z] <midfavila> and yeah it has benefits
[2026-06-29T07:45:34Z] <midfavila> but also what the actual fuck why are you doing it like that 
[2026-06-29T07:45:42Z] <stilic> but per my requirements for full source bootstrap, I also made a full source bootstrap project for kiss https://codeberg.org/leanix/maintainer-utils#kiss-bootstrap
[2026-06-29T07:45:44Z] <midfavila> it makes it unnecessarily complicated to just drop in and work on things
[2026-06-29T07:45:49Z] <midfavila> whoa 
[2026-06-29T07:45:53Z] <midfavila> that's pretty cool stilic 
[2026-06-29T07:46:01Z] <kris_> i looked into guix again and it still wont do certain things i need it to do and honestly im a bit put off by the community
[2026-06-29T07:46:16Z] <kris_> the community on IRC seems cool but i talked to some people who use it on discord the other day and ive never seen a more insufferable group
[2026-06-29T07:46:22Z] <kris_> even the nixos people arent as bad
[2026-06-29T07:46:50Z] <midfavila> stilic: i might steal ur bootstrap 
[2026-06-29T07:47:09Z] <kris_> also yes very cool stilic 
[2026-06-29T07:47:17Z] <midfavila> kris_: your first mistake was using dick sored
[2026-06-29T07:47:23Z] <kris_> no choice
[2026-06-29T07:47:28Z] <midfavila> always a choice
[2026-06-29T07:47:39Z] <midfavila> man 
[2026-06-29T07:47:40Z] <midfavila> you know what
[2026-06-29T07:47:42Z] <kris_> hey at least discord doesnt block vpns like fucking liberachat
[2026-06-29T07:47:43Z] <midfavila> semi-related
[2026-06-29T07:47:58Z] <midfavila> i've been thinking lately about how much the state of the net fucking blows in terms of IMs and shit like that
[2026-06-29T07:48:01Z] <midfavila> like
[2026-06-29T07:48:02Z] <midfavila> on the one hand
[2026-06-29T07:48:08Z] <midfavila> IRC and shit is pretty dead
[2026-06-29T07:48:11Z] <midfavila> on the other hand
[2026-06-29T07:48:20Z] <midfavila> discord and telegram and all that other shit makes me want to fucking shoot myself 
[2026-06-29T07:48:26Z] <midfavila> like why can't cool people just exist 
[2026-06-29T07:48:29Z] <midfavila> and not use that shit 
[2026-06-29T07:48:30Z] <kris_> IRC is a lot more alive than discord
[2026-06-29T07:48:43Z] <kris_> that sounds stupid but let me explain
[2026-06-29T07:48:51Z] <midfavila> idk about that one there's like 1k people on here and most of them lurk lol
[2026-06-29T07:49:04Z] <midfavila> ultimately people just need to be cooler >:C
[2026-06-29T07:49:12Z] <kris_> i have a reasonable level of confidence that when i talk to people on here they're not going to basically be on autopilot and just regurgitate what their favorite linux tuber said
[2026-06-29T07:49:21Z] <kris_> the culture around the two platforms is totally different
[2026-06-29T07:49:27Z] <midfavila> yeah no 100% 
[2026-06-29T07:49:29Z] <kris_> i dont consider discord to be alive when the people there basically aren't
[2026-06-29T07:49:40Z] <midfavila> but the ratio of irc to discord is far too low
[2026-06-29T07:49:41Z] <stilic> midfavila: what's your distro project about btw?
[2026-06-29T07:49:43Z] <kris_> which is horrendously egotistical of me to say but still
[2026-06-29T07:49:52Z] <midfavila> stilic it's my computer autism hugbox
[2026-06-29T07:50:00Z] <midfavila> kris_: no you're 100% right
[2026-06-29T07:50:07Z] <midfavila> discord and telegram et al are full of braindead morons
[2026-06-29T07:50:08Z] <kris_> im not convinced they arent LLMs
[2026-06-29T07:50:13Z] <midfavila> no they're just stupid
[2026-06-29T07:50:17Z] <stilic> midfavila: do you have a repo?
[2026-06-29T07:50:17Z] <kris_> you can legitimately prompt inject these people
[2026-06-29T07:50:19Z] <midfavila> i'm not even going to say i'm *not* stupid 
[2026-06-29T07:50:24Z] <midfavila> but like holy fuck just
[2026-06-29T07:50:27Z] <midfavila> fghjndhikjfgriejtfriehaifhkgjresdihkjlbgdkjnflgnklsdfkjlbnfgewkjlbfgbnihreihkjlbfgrebgreiphgipuhbeiphgbreiphkjbgr
[2026-06-29T07:50:30Z] <midfavila> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[2026-06-29T07:50:34Z] <midfavila> *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*
[2026-06-29T07:50:47Z] <midfavila> like you know what i mean???
[2026-06-29T07:50:49Z] <kris_> i just have a small discord of 40 friends ive met in different places and i'm a bit of a dictator
[2026-06-29T07:50:51Z] <midfavila> stilic: atm no 
[2026-06-29T07:50:58Z] <kris_> people dont get invited unless i agree to it
[2026-06-29T07:51:09Z] <midfavila> once i have something resembling a usable alpha i'll post it
[2026-06-29T07:51:13Z] <kris_> or well
[2026-06-29T07:51:19Z] <kris_> i have to fundamentally be okay with the person people want to add + they have to vote on it
[2026-06-29T07:51:24Z] <kris_> i don't get to just invite people either despite being the owner
[2026-06-29T07:51:29Z] <stilic> midfavila: what tooling does it have
[2026-06-29T07:51:38Z] <kris_> if most people say no then thats that but if i say no then that's the end of it if that makes sense
[2026-06-29T07:51:41Z] <kris_> its odd but for some reason it works
[2026-06-29T07:51:43Z] <midfavila> >i'm sort of a dictator but also things are run by vote
[2026-06-29T07:51:53Z] <midfavila> how dictatory of you 
[2026-06-29T07:51:56Z] <midfavila> asking people's opinions
[2026-06-29T07:51:57Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2026-06-29T07:51:57Z] <kris_> it's half ran by votes
[2026-06-29T07:52:00Z] <kris_> if i say no then that means no
[2026-06-29T07:52:09Z] <midfavila> stilic: in what sense 
[2026-06-29T07:52:34Z] <stilic> midfavila: what is used to generate packages and such
[2026-06-29T07:52:38Z] <midfavila> oh
[2026-06-29T07:52:40Z] <midfavila> plain shell scripts
[2026-06-29T07:52:50Z] <stilic> midfavila: damn
[2026-06-29T07:52:57Z] <midfavila> it's basically a stripped-down KISS package format
[2026-06-29T07:53:11Z] <kris_> i need to fork runit
[2026-06-29T07:53:15Z] <midfavila> and i have some shell routines that package the resulting build up for use with z3bra's pm(1)
[2026-06-29T07:53:23Z] <stilic> kris_: nitro when it exists
[2026-06-29T07:53:26Z] <midfavila> but i don't like pm(1) because it really should just be written in shell 
[2026-06-29T07:53:29Z] <stilic> midfavila: I see
[2026-06-29T07:53:30Z] <kris_> i'm aware of nitro
[2026-06-29T07:53:52Z] <kris_> i feel like it would be moderately easy to add a depends system to runit
[2026-06-29T07:53:57Z] <kris_> an actual one
[2026-06-29T07:54:03Z] <stilic> yea
[2026-06-29T07:54:18Z] <stilic> but maybe it's best to use nitro as a base? I dunno
[2026-06-29T07:54:28Z] <kris_> busyboxs runit is extremely clean
[2026-06-29T07:54:34Z] <kris_> i don't particularly care about using it to actually bring up the system
[2026-06-29T07:54:59Z] <midfavila> >not using a shell script that launches other shell scripts as an init system
[2026-06-29T07:55:05Z] <midfavila> very sad
[2026-06-29T07:55:10Z] <kris_> yeah because i care about having actual service supervision
[2026-06-29T07:55:12Z] <kris_> which runit already provides
[2026-06-29T07:55:21Z] <midfavila> slackware monitors services:3
[2026-06-29T07:55:27Z] <kris_> you're a slackware
[2026-06-29T07:55:40Z] <midfavila> i do strive to embody the notion of slack yes
[2026-06-29T07:56:10Z] <stilic> I hate writing code for package dependency management
[2026-06-29T07:56:53Z] <stilic> like seriously https://forge.starlightnet.work/stilic/StarlightOS/src/commit/b8928b868bbb2475432e04d62846e1587e551779/src/init.lua#L216
[2026-06-29T07:57:13Z] <stilic> this is garbage and i hate garbage
[2026-06-29T07:57:37Z] <midfavila> just don't manage dependencies
[2026-06-29T07:57:38Z] <midfavila> ez
[2026-06-29T07:58:16Z] <kris_> you really really are a slakcware
[2026-06-29T07:58:56Z] <kris_> i need to get a datavac type thing
[2026-06-29T07:59:01Z] <kris_> tiny vacuum cleaner for my stuff
[2026-06-29T07:59:07Z] <stilic> midfavila: except I need them because my system requires all deps to be declared for the sandbox to load them
[2026-06-29T07:59:11Z] <kris_> im tired of using compressed air
[2026-06-29T08:01:28Z] <kris_> >apk add qbittorrent-nox
[2026-06-29T08:01:34Z] <kris_> >Need to download 114.6 MiB of packages.
[2026-06-29T08:01:36Z] <kris_> dang
[2026-06-29T08:02:22Z] <stilic> kris_: which distro is that
[2026-06-29T08:02:26Z] <kris_> alpine
[2026-06-29T08:02:38Z] <stilic> I see
[2026-06-29T08:03:00Z] <kris_> generally i run void on bare metal and alpine for all of my VMs that do various things
[2026-06-29T08:03:11Z] <kris_> void/alpine/openbsd are the only things i use at the moment
[2026-06-29T08:03:18Z] <stilic> really good distro but they did some bs with their "ai" policy and now Ariadne is looking to build her own distro
[2026-06-29T08:03:31Z] <kris_> yeah i saw
[2026-06-29T08:03:35Z] <stilic> kris_: I run a Gentoo-based distro
[2026-06-29T08:03:46Z] <kris_> but i also kinda agree more with natanael 
[2026-06-29T08:03:57Z] <kris_> it's all in execution
[2026-06-29T08:04:18Z] <kris_> i am REALLY hoping the quality of alpine doesn't tank hard because he's basically said it's fine as long as shit's audited
[2026-06-29T08:04:32Z] <stilic> kris_: well that's the issue
[2026-06-29T08:04:49Z] <stilic> it's only the council and ncopa pushing for that
[2026-06-29T08:04:55Z] <stilic> everyone else said no
[2026-06-29T08:05:10Z] <kris_> i'm not diametrically opposed to AI use like everyone else seems to be
[2026-06-29T08:05:29Z] <kris_> i guess we'll see, if the quality eats shit like everything else has then i'll hop
[2026-06-29T08:06:17Z] <stilic> I'm in a irc community which has a strong focus on noAI stuff https://starlightnet.work/
[2026-06-29T08:09:22Z] <kris_> gotta love my internet randomly dying
[2026-06-29T08:09:40Z] <kris_> my ISP is legitimately awful
[2026-06-29T08:09:43Z] <kris_> stilic: very neat
[2026-06-29T08:11:44Z] <kris_> i guess for me it kinda depends on how it's being used
[2026-06-29T08:11:49Z] <stilic> kris_: there's a bunch of reasons to be against it https://codeberg.org/ethical-foss/open-slopware/src/branch/main/why_not_llms.md https://ai-sucks-actually.fyi/
[2026-06-29T08:11:54Z] <kris_> i don't like seeing LLMs author commits, i don't like seeing AI have a heavy handed involvement
[2026-06-29T08:12:04Z] <kris_> at the same time, pretending they aren't useful to some degree is illogical to me
[2026-06-29T08:12:18Z] <kris_> i could sleep on a fence
[2026-06-29T08:12:45Z] <kris_> i use LLMs pretty often personally just to find information on things because there's not a decent search engine left
[2026-06-29T08:12:50Z] <kris_> searxng is OK
[2026-06-29T08:12:54Z] <kris_> not good though
[2026-06-29T08:13:33Z] <stilic> kris_: I think there might be usecases but ppl acting like they literally need it like drugs is so bad omfg
[2026-06-29T08:13:43Z] <kris_> as with everything there's levels to it
[2026-06-29T08:14:24Z] <kris_> i ran my own here at home for a while just to pass things i write over to so it can look it over, id say a good 80% of what it pointed out was stuff i legitimately had overlooked
[2026-06-29T08:14:37Z] <stilic> alr
[2026-06-29T08:14:38Z] <kris_> other 20% was shit it just made up
[2026-06-29T08:15:17Z] <stilic> I'm pretty anti-GenAI so far but I still think there might be usecases for llms
[2026-06-29T08:15:18Z] <midfavila> kris_ stilic tbf i do track deps but it's just using tsort 
[2026-06-29T08:15:21Z] <kris_> i think letting it actually engineer stuff is stupid and dangerous, and obviously there's the environmental impact
[2026-06-29T08:15:26Z] <stilic> like light code completion
[2026-06-29T08:15:33Z] <stilic> midfavila: tsort?
[2026-06-29T08:15:44Z] <kris_> i don't like code completion at all because i feel like it prevents me from getting "fully involved"
[2026-06-29T08:15:47Z] <midfavila> posix utility that implements a topological sort 
[2026-06-29T08:15:57Z] <kris_> i'm not sure how to word this, if i'm not completely and entirely conscious of everything then it prevents me from flowing
[2026-06-29T08:16:02Z] <stilic> kris_: yep, that's the breaking point for me as well
[2026-06-29T08:16:03Z] <midfavila> well, i'm looking *into* using tsort
[2026-06-29T08:16:26Z] <stilic> midfavila: it's standard IG?
[2026-06-29T08:16:35Z] <midfavila> atm i just naively load everything listed in every package's 'depends' file into a single list, then reverse that 
[2026-06-29T08:16:40Z] <midfavila> yes it is
[2026-06-29T08:16:59Z] <kris_> time to see if qbittorrent accepts RSA8096 for local https certs
[2026-06-29T08:17:41Z] <stilic> midfavila: does it support multiple build stages for cases like "I need GCC from stage 1 to build GCC of stage 2"
[2026-06-29T08:18:35Z] <midfavila> no
[2026-06-29T08:18:43Z] <midfavila> that gets handled by the individual package's build script 
[2026-06-29T08:18:58Z] <midfavila> i'm pretty sure the only thing i have that needs a multi-stage build is gcc actually 
[2026-06-29T08:19:07Z] <midfavila> and i'm just using a modified version of kiss' build script for that 
[2026-06-29T08:19:17Z] <midfavila> the *ultimate* goal is to get rid of gcc and binutils entirely
[2026-06-29T08:19:42Z] <midfavila> and also gnu make and linux 
[2026-06-29T08:20:28Z] <kris_> it does indeed support RSA8096
[2026-06-29T08:20:35Z] <kris_> coolio
[2026-06-29T08:22:05Z] <stilic> midfavila: cool
[2026-06-29T08:23:28Z] <stilic> I think a multi-stage is needed since otherwise, you still depend on the host distro
[2026-06-29T08:28:00Z] <midfavila> yah 
[2026-06-29T08:28:14Z] <midfavila> also kris_ i think i'm going to wait on the uni thing 
[2026-06-29T08:28:29Z] <midfavila> planning on starting january instead of rushing through everything to start in september
[2026-06-29T08:28:37Z] <kris_> makes sense to me
[2026-06-29T08:28:39Z] <midfavila> gives me time to make some money too 
[2026-06-29T08:38:35Z] <midfavila> damn i suddenly have an intense desire for soda
[2026-06-29T08:38:44Z] <midfavila> kris_: have you ever done that thing where you mix club soda with like
[2026-06-29T08:38:45Z] <midfavila> those uh
[2026-06-29T08:38:51Z] <midfavila> "water flavourers" 
[2026-06-29T08:38:57Z] <midfavila> you know the little squeeze bottle thingies
[2026-06-29T08:38:58Z] <kris_> i dont know what club soda is
[2026-06-29T08:39:02Z] <kris_> but ive never put water flavoring into soda
[2026-06-29T08:39:02Z] <midfavila> carbonated water
[2026-06-29T08:39:07Z] <kris_> oh interesting
[2026-06-29T08:39:12Z] <kris_> that's not a bad idea really
[2026-06-29T08:39:21Z] <midfavila> it's not 
[2026-06-29T08:39:21Z] <kris_> actually that's kind of a banger idea
[2026-06-29T08:39:26Z] <midfavila> much cheaper than zevia 
[2026-06-29T08:39:34Z] <kris_> the energy mixture garbage i buy is just water flavoring because it works and is cheap
[2026-06-29T08:39:39Z] <kris_> ive been just putting it in normal water
[2026-06-29T08:39:41Z] <kris_> it would be nice carbonated
[2026-06-29T08:41:09Z] <midfavila> i'mjust thinking about like
[2026-06-29T08:41:12Z] <midfavila> having carbonated lemonade
[2026-06-29T08:41:15Z] <midfavila> or iced tea
[2026-06-29T08:41:23Z] <midfavila> or like, pomegranate "juice"
[2026-06-29T08:41:23Z] <midfavila> etc
[2026-06-29T08:41:25Z] <kris_> stilic: where did you see that ariadne is working on her own? i know she threatened it but i wasn't sure she had actually decided to do it
[2026-06-29T08:41:39Z] <kris_> midfavila: tea is always good
[2026-06-29T08:41:43Z] <kris_> i drink a stupid amount of tea
[2026-06-29T08:42:04Z] <midfavila> i think i drink at least 2-3L of tea a day 
[2026-06-29T08:42:10Z] <kris_> the kids have gotten me into it again
[2026-06-29T08:42:22Z] <kris_> the one that fried my laptop drinks some sort of like chinese default tea
[2026-06-29T08:42:26Z] <kris_> i forget what it's called, havent tried it yet
[2026-06-29T08:42:34Z] <midfavila> i keep trying to drink coffee but most coffee is too like
[2026-06-29T08:42:36Z] <midfavila> "intense"
[2026-06-29T08:42:38Z] <kris_> i have some chamomile in the cabinet but i also have not tried that
[2026-06-29T08:42:39Z] <midfavila> if that makes sense
[2026-06-29T08:42:44Z] <kris_> i get it
[2026-06-29T08:42:46Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2026-06-29T08:42:55Z] <midfavila> like it has a lot of flavour but it's all very tip-of-the-tongue sort of thing
[2026-06-29T08:42:55Z] <kris_> the coffee i used to get tasted identical to black tea
[2026-06-29T08:42:58Z] <kris_> just higher caffeine content
[2026-06-29T08:43:04Z] <midfavila> it just smacks you in the face and then that's it
[2026-06-29T08:43:13Z] <midfavila> whereas tea is like, a more balanced flavour 
[2026-06-29T08:43:22Z] <kris_> you just need to find the right coffee
[2026-06-29T08:43:32Z] <midfavila> nah this is just a coffee thing 
[2026-06-29T08:43:39Z] <kris_> i wish i could find what i got specifically that i kept buying, there's a specific place i got coffee beans from 
[2026-06-29T08:43:43Z] <midfavila> i mostly drink light and medium roasts and i've tried a few different types
[2026-06-29T08:43:45Z] <midfavila> that said,
[2026-06-29T08:43:45Z] <kris_> i got way too into it at one point, had a really nice grinder and an aeropress and shit
[2026-06-29T08:43:53Z] <midfavila> i did try this brand of coffee from turkey recently
[2026-06-29T08:43:55Z] <midfavila> and it's pretty good
[2026-06-29T08:44:08Z] <midfavila> has cardamom and other spices mixed in 
[2026-06-29T08:44:09Z] <kris_> i dont drink coffee anymore though i would rather the flavor of most teas
[2026-06-29T08:44:16Z] <kris_> and coffee isnt strong enough to actually do anything to me
[2026-06-29T08:44:20Z] <kris_> especially given caffeine doesnt work for me
[2026-06-29T08:44:28Z] <kris_> its the other shit in the stuff i drink that does
[2026-06-29T08:45:46Z] <midfavila> actually
[2026-06-29T08:45:55Z] <midfavila> dery: is "italian soda" an actual thing in italy
[2026-06-29T08:46:06Z] <midfavila> i might try to replicate them using club soda 
[2026-06-29T08:48:15Z] <midfavila> okay no they're apparently an italian-american thing 
[2026-06-29T08:48:19Z] <midfavila> hrm
[2026-06-29T08:48:25Z] <midfavila> the more you know
[2026-06-29T08:48:43Z] <kris_> OH
[2026-06-29T08:48:45Z] <kris_> HOLY SHIT
[2026-06-29T08:48:48Z] <midfavila> nani
[2026-06-29T08:48:52Z] <kris_> midfavila: i really wanted to tell you about this but couldnt because i got sent to the shadow realm but like
[2026-06-29T08:48:58Z] <kris_> i got my website building entirely with emacs now, no hugo
[2026-06-29T08:49:00Z] <kris_> using org -> html stuffs
[2026-06-29T08:49:06Z] <midfavila> very cool 
[2026-06-29T08:49:08Z] <kris_> it looks very close to identical
[2026-06-29T08:49:21Z] <midfavila> i need to rewrite my website in troff or something 
[2026-06-29T08:49:37Z] <midfavila> i would use werc but p9fus pisses me off 
[2026-06-29T08:49:39Z] <kris_> i havent pushed it to cloudflare yet because im not sure if i really want to use this but it works better than hugo does
[2026-06-29T08:49:47Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/kris.sh/blob/emacs-rewrite/publish.el
[2026-06-29T08:50:52Z] <kris_> it just feels icky to me to use emacs for anything other than editing text
[2026-06-29T08:51:03Z] <midfavila> y
[2026-06-29T08:51:07Z] <kris_> though this is kinda technically sorta text editing
[2026-06-29T08:51:23Z] <midfavila> emacs isn't even really a text editor
[2026-06-29T08:51:24Z] <kris_> i dont know it just does, i like to have tools for specific tasks
[2026-06-29T08:51:28Z] <midfavila> it's just a mediocre lisp machine
[2026-06-29T08:51:28Z] <kris_> i know it isnt
[2026-06-29T08:51:31Z] <kris_> and it drives me insane
[2026-06-29T08:51:36Z] <midfavila> you can always use acme
[2026-06-29T08:51:37Z] <midfavila> :3c
[2026-06-29T08:51:40Z] <kris_> though my emacs is preeeeetty stripped down
[2026-06-29T08:51:57Z] <kris_> which took like 4 days to do
[2026-06-29T08:52:02Z] <midfavila> tbh i like acme a lot except for the whole mouse focus thing
[2026-06-29T08:52:18Z] <kris_> https://github.com/kkrruumm/void-packages/blob/krummy-emacs/srcpkgs/krummy-emacs/template
[2026-06-29T08:52:25Z] <kris_> i've dubbed this the autism monolith
[2026-06-29T08:52:29Z] <kris_> there's still more stuff i can remove but meh
[2026-06-29T08:52:38Z] <midfavila> https://c9x.me/edit/
[2026-06-29T08:52:42Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/sminez/ad
[2026-06-29T08:52:44Z] <midfavila> have you seen these
[2026-06-29T08:52:45Z] <midfavila> ?
[2026-06-29T08:52:49Z] <kris_> i haven't
[2026-06-29T08:52:57Z] <kris_> only editors ive liked enough to really try to use long term are emacs and vis
[2026-06-29T08:53:12Z] <midfavila> these are vi clones with the acme model for extensibility
[2026-06-29T08:53:25Z] <kris_> non vi/vim keybinds = immediate no for me
[2026-06-29T08:53:39Z] <kris_> not because others are worse but because ive been hitting the same keys for like 15 years and don't intend on changing
[2026-06-29T08:53:44Z] <midfavila> that's fair
[2026-06-29T08:54:06Z] <midfavila> re: vi tho i wish people would stop screeching about how amazing it is re: keybinds and shit
[2026-06-29T08:54:20Z] <midfavila> vi is literally the way it is because of the constraints of the terminal it was implemented on
[2026-06-29T08:54:23Z] <midfavila> that's it
[2026-06-29T08:54:25Z] <kris_> they're nonsensical to me
[2026-06-29T08:54:26Z] <kris_> still are
[2026-06-29T08:54:28Z] <midfavila> they are
[2026-06-29T08:54:36Z] <midfavila> vi is an exercise in compromise 
[2026-06-29T08:54:44Z] <kris_> most of my "actual editor binds" in emacs are ones ive defined myself largely based on what doom does with its spacebar leader keys
[2026-06-29T08:54:47Z] <kris_> for like
[2026-06-29T08:54:50Z] <kris_> window management and shit
[2026-06-29T08:54:53Z] <midfavila> that's not even an opinion, that's an objective fact
[2026-06-29T08:55:07Z] <kris_> the actual text editing happens with evil mode though
[2026-06-29T08:55:07Z] <midfavila> the whole hjkl thing is because the og terminal didn't have a nav cluster for example
[2026-06-29T08:55:12Z] <kris_> emacs' binds drive me batshit
[2026-06-29T08:55:19Z] <midfavila> emacs binds are comfy 
[2026-06-29T08:55:31Z] <midfavila> ed's editing language plus emacs' line editing commands is peak comfy
[2026-06-29T08:55:31Z] <kris_> probably comes natural to british tea consumers
[2026-06-29T08:55:33Z] <kris_> where's eva
[2026-06-29T08:55:46Z] <midfavila> the gremlin hasn't been sighted in quite some time
[2026-06-29T08:56:09Z] <kris_> also i dont use hjkl it feels uncomfortable as fuck to me
[2026-06-29T08:56:12Z] <midfavila> it is
[2026-06-29T08:56:13Z] <midfavila> lol
[2026-06-29T08:56:14Z] <kris_> the order is incorrect
[2026-06-29T08:56:18Z] <kris_> i just use my arrow keys
[2026-06-29T08:56:24Z] <midfavila> only home row chuds like hjkl
[2026-06-29T08:56:39Z] <kris_> i was never taught to type i just figured it out so home row has never been a thing for me
[2026-06-29T08:56:39Z] <midfavila> cringe home row versus chad wasd kings
[2026-06-29T08:56:53Z] <kris_> funny thing too given i probably type a fair bit faster than most people
[2026-06-29T08:56:58Z] <midfavila> learn to type by shit-talking people without using a mic in shooters 
[2026-06-29T08:57:04Z] <stilic> kris_: can't find it but you can see what she's doing on her fedi acc
[2026-06-29T08:57:06Z] <kris_> i'm still trying to break 200wpm
[2026-06-29T08:57:09Z] <kris_> dont think i can do it on this keyboard
[2026-06-29T08:57:13Z] <kris_> close tho
[2026-06-29T08:57:17Z] <midfavila> do you use qwerty?
[2026-06-29T08:57:20Z] <kris_> yessir
[2026-06-29T08:57:24Z] <midfavila> neat
[2026-06-29T08:57:30Z] <midfavila> i think i'm around 130wpm?
[2026-06-29T08:57:38Z] <midfavila> ~=99% 
[2026-06-29T08:57:42Z] <midfavila> which is fine
[2026-06-29T08:57:45Z] <kris_> i get a lot faster when i have keys with less travel and less resistance
[2026-06-29T08:58:01Z] <kris_> that and qwerty is honestly a little limiting
[2026-06-29T08:58:04Z] <kris_> feels that way anyway
[2026-06-29T08:58:20Z] <kris_> also yeah 130 is totally fine
[2026-06-29T08:58:53Z] <kris_> midfavila: ad might be kinda cool
[2026-06-29T08:59:25Z] <kris_> id like to have vis but looks and feels like my emacs
[2026-06-29T08:59:38Z] <kris_> which is doable but i cba to write a ton of plugins
[2026-06-29T09:03:49Z] <midfavila> tbh i just want edit but ed
[2026-06-29T09:03:59Z] <midfavila> ed is comfy 
[2026-06-29T09:09:18Z] <midfavila> btw kris_ did you see that ebike thing i posted in here a while ago 
[2026-06-29T09:09:25Z] <midfavila> i figured you were lurking the logs 
[2026-06-29T09:09:54Z] <midfavila> https://www.sparkcycleworks.com/index.php/product/brute/
[2026-06-29T09:10:04Z] <kris_> i did see that
[2026-06-29T09:10:08Z] <kris_> i thought i replied to it but you may have been offline
[2026-06-29T09:10:20Z] <midfavila> probably
[2026-06-29T09:10:26Z] <midfavila> sdf has been experiencing a lot of blackouts lately
[2026-06-29T09:10:41Z] <kris_> it looks kinda silly
[2026-06-29T09:11:01Z] <midfavila> does it?
[2026-06-29T09:11:14Z] <kris_> it also looks cheap to manufacture though so
[2026-06-29T09:11:30Z] <kris_> FUCKING $4700??
[2026-06-29T09:17:28Z] <midfavila> idk dude compared to a rinky dink little jetson or w/e those tiny e-bikes are this one would be more useful lol
[2026-06-29T09:34:26Z] <midfavila> ugh the frame i want is like 1500 bucks after currency conversion...
[2026-06-29T10:41:20Z] <dery> midfavila: what in italian soda
[2026-06-29T10:41:35Z] <dery> we got like "soda" which is water with... something
[2026-06-29T10:42:00Z] <dery> it's also called "acqua tonica"... i think?
[2026-06-29T10:42:48Z] <dery> nope it's not that
[2026-06-29T10:42:51Z] <kris_> dery: no way hi
[2026-06-29T10:43:05Z] <dery> hiiiiiii
[2026-06-29T10:43:23Z] <dery> hyd krissss
[2026-06-29T10:43:28Z] <dery> glad to see you back
[2026-06-29T10:43:44Z] <kris_> im ok, and yeah im back until liberachat also blocks tor
[2026-06-29T10:43:47Z] <kris_> how are you
[2026-06-29T10:44:19Z] <dery> going forwards
[2026-06-29T10:44:26Z] <dery> trying to remember i'm still human
[2026-06-29T10:44:30Z] <dery> should socialize more
[2026-06-29T10:45:06Z] <kris_> relatable
[2026-06-29T10:45:11Z] <kris_> do you hang out with anyone irl
[2026-06-29T10:45:23Z] <dery> rarely
[2026-06-29T10:45:29Z] <dery> local LUG helps
[2026-06-29T10:47:51Z] <kris_> you should ask some people there if they wanna hang out extra
[2026-06-29T10:47:53Z] <kris_> like external to lug mettings
[2026-06-29T10:47:55Z] <kris_> meetings
[2026-06-29T10:48:34Z] <dery> that's a good idea
[2026-06-29T10:56:14Z] <midfavila> ugh
[2026-06-29T10:56:18Z] <midfavila> i think i'm going to drop emacs
[2026-06-29T10:56:29Z] <midfavila> i'm tired of having to either pin myself to an old version or constantly rewrite my config file
[2026-06-29T10:59:15Z] <kris_> what would you move to
[2026-06-29T10:59:42Z] <gentoouser1337> nano
[2026-06-29T11:18:28Z] <midfavila> honestly i don't know
[2026-06-29T11:18:35Z] <midfavila> if i wasn't a total brainlet i would fix s9fes' editor 
[2026-06-29T11:18:48Z] <midfavila> but i don't fucking know anything about computers so i won't
[2026-06-29T14:38:07Z] <Guest27> Has anyone had any luck using dm-mod.create for using an encrypted root partition without an initramfs? I can't seem to make sense of the documentation at kernel.org.
[2026-06-29T17:48:41Z] <Vova> did Dylan came back here since he came back online?
[2026-06-29T22:18:07Z] <dery> Guest27: looking at the docs it looks like it only supports "raw" dm-crypt and expects the key passed as an arg, I think?
[2026-06-29T22:18:16Z] <dery> I don't think it's usable as an alternative to a cryptsetup initramfs
[2026-06-29T23:36:16Z] <midfavila> Vova: a couple of times
[2026-06-29T23:36:28Z] <midfavila> he's too busy growing au naturale wine or something though i bet