[2026-07-21T11:15:24Z] if you didnt order tikka masala, im disappointed [2026-07-21T11:15:31Z] midfavila [2026-07-21T11:54:47Z] sad_plan: i had way too much food from a vietnamese place [2026-07-21T11:54:49Z] i'm still eating it [2026-07-21T11:55:18Z] i had indian food the other day and it was super yummy [2026-07-21T11:56:32Z] i bought uh [2026-07-21T11:56:36Z] some kinda noodle dish [2026-07-21T11:56:40Z] with like a super thick vegetable stew [2026-07-21T11:56:42Z] and [2026-07-21T11:56:48Z] vietnamese style springrolls [2026-07-21T11:56:49Z] and [2026-07-21T11:56:55Z] lemon chicken [2026-07-21T11:56:56Z] and [2026-07-21T11:57:04Z] crispy ginger beef [2026-07-21T11:57:14Z] i am currently consooming the bouef [2026-07-21T12:16:00Z] nice [2026-07-21T18:39:18Z] maan, i need to clean my desktop pc. I just noticed the cooling ribs for my cpu is.. dusty to say the least lol [2026-07-21T18:46:37Z] usually ill clean mine out once every half a year or so [2026-07-21T18:52:53Z] yeah, i havent cleand it since i built it.. 2 or so years ago i think? [2026-07-21T18:53:06Z] i should probably clean it more often, like you do [2026-07-21T19:03:50Z] im tempted to start just using conty instead of flatpak [2026-07-21T19:04:08Z] just tried it out for the private WoW server i play on since bottles is inexplicably broken and it surprisingly worked out [2026-07-21T19:04:19Z] i do wish it wasn't arch based but what can ya do, maybe i can re-roll it as a void based thing [2026-07-21T19:11:32Z] you can use whatever distro you like. you just need to adjust the script for it. [2026-07-21T19:11:43Z] sure, its work, but its just a bash script really [2026-07-21T19:11:52Z] can't imagine it's that bad [2026-07-21T19:12:03Z] i just feel weird about arch since they keep letting the AUR get ran over [2026-07-21T19:12:43Z] yeah I get it [2026-07-21T19:12:54Z] it seems to have cooled of now though [2026-07-21T19:13:02Z] atleast this time lol [2026-07-21T19:13:05Z] did they actually change how the AUR is handled [2026-07-21T19:13:14Z] if not then i'm not interested, i already didn't take them seriously and this kinda just proves my point [2026-07-21T19:13:28Z] i dont think so. they stopped registration atleast. not sure what else they did tbh [2026-07-21T19:13:31Z] i feel like they should be referencing how gentoo handles GURU [2026-07-21T19:13:51Z] is GURU AUR for gentoo? [2026-07-21T19:14:09Z] pretty much [2026-07-21T19:14:17Z] but there are tiers of users so not just anyone can make changes [2026-07-21T19:14:19Z] period [2026-07-21T19:14:43Z] like i feel like the idea of literally **anyone** adopting an orphaned package and immediately having write perms is fucking insane [2026-07-21T19:16:47Z] from a security perspective, yes. its utterly insane. but its based on trust [2026-07-21T19:17:23Z] it works i suppose. but I totally get why people shy away from it in disgust lol [2026-07-21T19:37:26Z] conty seems very very cool and potentially useful once flatpak goes down the shitter [2026-07-21T19:37:43Z] i'll keep this in mind but for now im just going to add my warcraft as a nonsteam game as i normally would with other things [2026-07-21T19:37:53Z] no point in having several game launchers when just steam will do it [2026-07-21T19:38:01Z] steam flatpak, i mean [2026-07-21T19:47:40Z] I'm genuinely starting to think that namespace really got a bad rep because of containers [2026-07-21T19:48:02Z] do containers have a bad rep? [2026-07-21T19:48:10Z] in the minimalist space, yea, I think? [2026-07-21T19:48:16Z] would be kinda surprising to me [2026-07-21T19:48:23Z] actually even good containers are really nice [2026-07-21T19:48:25Z] i mean, it beats VMs as far as overhead goes [2026-07-21T19:48:36Z] i really like incus [2026-07-21T19:48:38Z] well the whole "ship my computer cause it works" thing was very heavily memed [2026-07-21T19:48:45Z] maybe it was just my impression who knows [2026-07-21T19:48:50Z] but yea they are really nifty [2026-07-21T19:49:04Z] now I'm using a purpose-built one for OpenWRT development [2026-07-21T19:49:14Z] really just debian with some extra packages [2026-07-21T19:49:25Z] it's fast and clean [2026-07-21T19:49:41Z] also maybe docker contributed to it as it's way quirkier than podman [2026-07-21T19:49:53Z] in my experience (except when you need Docker compatibility obviously) [2026-07-21T19:50:08Z] im not very fond of either one tbh [2026-07-21T19:50:17Z] albeit dockerfiles are quite nice [2026-07-21T19:50:28Z] why not? rootless podman is comfy [2026-07-21T19:50:43Z] incus just has a workflow i prefer i dont have technical complaints [2026-07-21T19:50:53Z] uh never heard of incus [2026-07-21T19:51:02Z] its a community fork of lxd [2026-07-21T19:51:10Z] wow [2026-07-21T19:51:19Z] the best way i can describe it is that it's more similar to how you'd set up a vm [2026-07-21T19:51:23Z] download distro image [2026-07-21T19:51:32Z] configure distro normally [2026-07-21T19:51:34Z] oh! I really wanted something like this [2026-07-21T19:51:53Z] the issue is the void image is fuuuucked [2026-07-21T19:51:56Z] containers are "write once instance many" and kinda annoying for development usecase [2026-07-21T19:52:01Z] the void team doesn't get to manage it [2026-07-21T19:52:03Z] lxc people do [2026-07-21T19:52:13Z] oh is it hard to make an image? [2026-07-21T19:52:17Z] and the lxc people love to argue the actual void devs about how void should be [2026-07-21T19:52:25Z] no i wouldn't think so i just havent bothered [2026-07-21T19:52:28Z] the alpine image is fine [2026-07-21T19:52:32Z] debian image is fine [2026-07-21T19:52:34Z] does it have any particular dependencies? Could be useful to add to my toolbelt [2026-07-21T19:52:42Z] i have no clue [2026-07-21T19:52:44Z] alpine and dabian are all I need [2026-07-21T19:52:58Z] I mean it's made in Go so hopefully it's static? [2026-07-21T19:52:58Z] its not rootless though [2026-07-21T19:53:01Z] aw [2026-07-21T19:53:02Z] idk if it has a rootless mode [2026-07-21T19:53:07Z] the containers are rootless [2026-07-21T19:53:14Z] but there's an incus daemon that runs as root [2026-07-21T19:53:19Z] I don't go crazy with the idea of a rootful daemon [2026-07-21T19:53:37Z] i dont either, maybe its doable i havent looked [2026-07-21T19:53:39Z] user namespaces are already historically brittle on their own [2026-07-21T19:53:43Z] I'll take a look into it, thx [2026-07-21T19:53:47Z] i use it for all of my public facing stuff [2026-07-21T19:54:02Z] its pretty comfy because it doesnt fuck with my firewall shit like docker did last i tried it [2026-07-21T19:54:17Z] ugh [2026-07-21T19:54:22Z] unfortunately i dont remember specifics because its been like 4 years [2026-07-21T19:54:25Z] actually I think all rootless stuff doesn't fuck with it [2026-07-21T19:54:43Z] that's why I always go the extra mile to run everything rootless [2026-07-21T19:54:50Z] for prod stuff that is [2026-07-21T19:54:57Z] i mean anything that can be rootless should be [2026-07-21T19:55:05Z] are there containers that should be rootful? [2026-07-21T19:55:25Z] im sure someone has a usecase for it, i cant think of one [2026-07-21T19:55:28Z] fair [2026-07-21T19:57:49Z] also with incus the rootful daemon rules still apply [2026-07-21T19:57:59Z] that being if you give your user perms to use it directly, your user is practically rootful [2026-07-21T19:58:50Z] yea makes sense [2026-07-21T20:38:18Z] i am SO SLEEPY [2026-07-21T20:38:22Z] this is such a fucking problem [2026-07-21T20:38:35Z] the moment i get any time off at all my sleep schedule just spontaneously combusts [2026-07-21T20:39:47Z] kris_: theres also cell, which mid mentioned some time ago. i havent tested it yet, but ive been meaning to. https://github.com/aligrudi/cell [2026-07-21T20:40:28Z] dery: using conty would actually be an improvement when it comes to minimialism in my case. i would have to package less stuff, so generally, my system would have more capabilites, while also being smaller. more or less anyway [2026-07-21T20:41:01Z] oh yea indeed [2026-07-21T20:41:20Z] don't get me wrong, I had the impression containers had a bad rep, at least the traditional ones [2026-07-21T20:41:24Z] maybe it was all in my head, dunno [2026-07-21T20:41:57Z] i dont like docker for stuff we should instead just be able to run our host system, but that might also just be me [2026-07-21T20:43:01Z] i keep seeing people in their readme's on how to build/run their seemingly simple stuff, and.. its docket.. like why? why cant there just be some simple makefile/meson or something of the sorts/ [2026-07-21T20:44:29Z] because, like with flatpak, a lot of stuff has weird implicit dependency [2026-07-21T20:44:42Z] it might be a dense way to see it, but I genuinely can't stop thinking how most of this is static linking with extra steps xD [2026-07-21T20:45:03Z] altho compose allows for fancier, well, composed systems with multiple components going on [2026-07-21T20:45:14Z] *that* is nifty [2026-07-21T20:54:21Z] wait, are all flatpaks statically linked? [2026-07-21T20:55:01Z] omg, my kernel on my desktop is so immensly big.. 102M. holy fuck, no wonder it takes a while to build lol [2026-07-21T20:55:27Z] sad_plan: no they aren't [2026-07-21T20:55:50Z] then how are flatpaks related to static linking? :P what am i not seeing here lol [2026-07-21T20:55:50Z] but putting all dynamic dependencies of an application in an isolated box... kinda feels like it [2026-07-21T20:56:05Z] they aren't [2026-07-21T20:56:07Z] oh, yeah I see [2026-07-21T20:56:12Z] it's the concept that feels weird [2026-07-21T20:56:18Z] again it might be a bit of a stupid way to see it [2026-07-21T20:56:33Z] so its like static linking, but with none of the benefits :P [2026-07-21T20:56:50Z] yea I kinda see like that [2026-07-21T20:56:58Z] yeah [2026-07-21T20:57:03Z] I mean it's obviously different as its got deduplication and stuff, but still xD [2026-07-21T20:57:26Z] yeah lol [2026-07-21T22:34:03Z] dery: most of these things legitaemtly are just static linking but overcomplicated [2026-07-21T22:37:45Z] lol happy to know that I'm not the only one to see that xD