[2026-08-10T02:02:00Z] <dery> cool
[2026-08-10T02:02:17Z] <dery> > automatically generate icon and xdg cache post-install
[2026-08-10T02:02:38Z] <dery> why not just add them... in the post install script?
[2026-08-10T02:04:12Z] <dery> or maybe even an hook if you want to run something after every single install (i guess you could inspect deps and bail out early depending on the absence of specific ones)
[2026-08-10T03:06:45Z] <midfavila> hi dery >:OOO
[2026-08-10T03:06:50Z] <midfavila> hihihihihihihihihihihi
[2026-08-10T05:59:55Z] <dery> hiiiii middd
[2026-08-10T06:00:15Z] <dery> hyd?????
[2026-08-10T06:23:34Z] <midfavila> doin okay
[2026-08-10T06:23:41Z] <midfavila> trying to figure out how to insert a fucking grid in gimp
[2026-08-10T06:24:27Z] <midfavila> aside from that just kinda relaxing
[2026-08-10T06:24:28Z] <midfavila> you?
[2026-08-10T08:30:03Z] <dery> as usual, slowly feeling better
[2026-08-10T08:30:27Z] <dery> still trying as hard as usual to stay human 
[2026-08-10T08:34:06Z] <midfavila> you should be gote intead
[2026-08-10T08:34:11Z] <midfavila> instead even
[2026-08-10T08:34:11Z] <midfavila> baa
[2026-08-10T08:34:12Z] <midfavila> :3
[2026-08-10T08:35:09Z] <dery> i feel more wabbit tbh
[2026-08-10T08:35:22Z] <dery> but idn never really picked one
[2026-08-10T08:35:27Z] <dery> idk even
[2026-08-10T08:37:26Z] <midfavila> rabbits are also good
[2026-08-10T08:37:33Z] <midfavila> esp w/ the floppa ears
[2026-08-10T08:37:47Z] <midfavila> i'm glad your condition is improving though
[2026-08-10T08:37:52Z] <dery> ty
[2026-08-10T08:38:06Z] <dery> also, classic gimp moment
[2026-08-10T08:38:26Z] <midfavila> i was sitting there thinking about that meme of someone asking a linux user to print a document while i was struggling to make a fuckin grid in gimp
[2026-08-10T08:38:29Z] <midfavila> and i was like
[2026-08-10T08:38:35Z] <midfavila> "NOOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME"
[2026-08-10T08:38:39Z] <dery> lmfao
[2026-08-10T08:38:42Z] <dery> get linuxed
[2026-08-10T08:38:46Z] <midfavila> "I'M LIKE THE GUY IN THE MEME FUUUUUUUUUUCK"
[2026-08-10T08:38:50Z] <dery> can't wait for the shape tool
[2026-08-10T08:38:52Z] <dery> unironically it's like
[2026-08-10T08:38:53Z] <dery> planned
[2026-08-10T08:38:57Z] <midfavila> bro
[2026-08-10T08:38:58Z] <midfavila> they 
[2026-08-10T08:39:03Z] <midfavila> they don't have a straight line tool
[2026-08-10T08:39:06Z] <dery> the world will explode the day they push that
[2026-08-10T08:39:06Z] <midfavila> there's no straightedge
[2026-08-10T08:39:11Z] <dery> wait you need a straight line tool?
[2026-08-10T08:39:15Z] <dery> serious question
[2026-08-10T08:39:18Z] <dery> just ctrl
[2026-08-10T08:39:26Z] <midfavila> i have literally never used gimp before
[2026-08-10T08:39:27Z] <midfavila> be gentle
[2026-08-10T08:39:30Z] <dery> oh sorry
[2026-08-10T08:39:39Z] <midfavila> but also i should have like read a manual or something lmao 
[2026-08-10T08:39:49Z] <dery> yea there are guides and also to do straight lines you either go full vector (ik ik) or, simply, with a brush selected
[2026-08-10T08:39:52Z] <midfavila> the most i've ever done in terms of graphics has been in ms paint or similar
[2026-08-10T08:40:00Z] <midfavila> like for context my usual graphics package is uhhhhhhh
[2026-08-10T08:40:04Z] <dery> you click a point, hold ctrl and then another
[2026-08-10T08:40:17Z] <midfavila> https://github.com/justinmeiners/classic-colors
[2026-08-10T08:40:21Z] <midfavila> ^ this is what i usually use
[2026-08-10T08:40:26Z] <dery> oh I see
[2026-08-10T08:40:36Z] <dery> well you can also take a look at krita
[2026-08-10T08:40:40Z] <midfavila> yeah my editing needs are usually very basic lol
[2026-08-10T08:40:51Z] <dery> which is a lot more artist oriented but I heard that for basic things it's pretty comfy
[2026-08-10T08:40:58Z] <dery> no idea as I use GIMP xD
[2026-08-10T08:41:13Z] <midfavila> honestly idk why my job is making me do graphics shit
[2026-08-10T08:41:26Z] <midfavila> i was reassigned to the operations team temporarily because we're getting blasted 
[2026-08-10T08:41:27Z] <dery> because they probably fired the graphics person
[2026-08-10T08:41:29Z] <midfavila> and the guy was like
[2026-08-10T08:41:32Z] <midfavila> no actually
[2026-08-10T08:41:32Z] <dery> muh AI
[2026-08-10T08:41:35Z] <midfavila> we don't have a graphics person
[2026-08-10T08:41:36Z] <midfavila> lmaoo
[2026-08-10T08:41:38Z] <midfavila> never have
[2026-08-10T08:41:40Z] <dery> oh
[2026-08-10T08:41:49Z] <dery> but... but...
[2026-08-10T08:41:53Z] <dery> what will take the jobs
[2026-08-10T08:41:55Z] <midfavila> but they're making me write training materials and organise personnel and stuff
[2026-08-10T08:42:01Z] <midfavila> bold of you to imply we pay people!
[2026-08-10T08:42:15Z] <dery> lmao
[2026-08-10T08:42:40Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk it's a thing
[2026-08-10T08:42:41Z] <dery> I mean for certain stuff you might unironically go full vector
[2026-08-10T08:42:44Z] <midfavila> i don't mind it
[2026-08-10T08:42:45Z] <dery> it might be easier
[2026-08-10T08:42:51Z] <dery> for like brochures and stuff
[2026-08-10T08:42:57Z] <dery> with inkscape
[2026-08-10T08:42:59Z] <midfavila> and yes we need to redo almost all of our shit in vector formats
[2026-08-10T08:43:14Z] <dery> oh it's not even for a quality standpoint
[2026-08-10T08:43:14Z] <midfavila> i think the canonical copy of the org's logo is literally the jpeg on the website
[2026-08-10T08:43:23Z] <dery> more like it *might* be easier
[2026-08-10T08:43:30Z] <dery> as text is text, lines are lines and so on
[2026-08-10T08:43:35Z] <midfavila> ya
[2026-08-10T08:43:36Z] <dery> so you don't have to picasso stuff on the fly
[2026-08-10T08:43:45Z] <dery> graphic design is my passion
[2026-08-10T08:44:22Z] <dery> (the meme, I suck)
[2026-08-10T08:44:52Z] <midfavila> graphic design is my prison more like
[2026-08-10T08:45:12Z] <midfavila> the last time i did anything artistic was in eighth year
[2026-08-10T08:45:21Z] <midfavila> which was, holy fuck, eleven years ago???
[2026-08-10T08:45:24Z] <midfavila> am i old?????????
[2026-08-10T08:45:49Z] <dery> i dunno anymore mid
[2026-08-10T08:45:57Z] <dery> I feel old myself
[2026-08-10T08:45:59Z] <dery> I want to stay bby
[2026-08-10T08:46:04Z] <dery> but the time passes inexorably
[2026-08-10T08:46:15Z] <midfavila> unc status comes for us all eventually 
[2026-08-10T08:46:17Z] <dery> deep inside I am bby
[2026-08-10T08:46:28Z] <dery> :sob:
[2026-08-10T08:46:39Z] <midfavila> also i was doing a think the other day 
[2026-08-10T08:46:45Z] <midfavila> have you seen uhhhhhhh
[2026-08-10T08:46:51Z] <midfavila> ttymap or mapscii or w/e the hell it's called
[2026-08-10T08:46:57Z] <midfavila> it's an OSM viewer that renders tiles in ascii
[2026-08-10T08:47:04Z] <dery> I think you showed that in the past
[2026-08-10T08:47:07Z] <midfavila> yeah 
[2026-08-10T08:47:17Z] <midfavila> i've been kinda a little obsessed with the idea
[2026-08-10T08:47:27Z] <midfavila> if you could integrate that with uhhhhh
[2026-08-10T08:47:47Z] <midfavila> the pathfinding and transit routing library that sxmo guy responsible for mepo wrote
[2026-08-10T08:47:55Z] <midfavila> and also somehow integrate that with gpsd you could like
[2026-08-10T08:48:05Z] <midfavila> have 100% local pathfinding and navigating with realtime location tracking on the uconsole
[2026-08-10T08:48:11Z] <dery> yes please do
[2026-08-10T08:48:12Z] <midfavila> in the tty
[2026-08-10T08:48:26Z] <dery> obviously it is possible, there's the excellent comaps on android
[2026-08-10T08:48:33Z] <dery> but it's like, the only thing period???
[2026-08-10T08:48:37Z] <dery> need more
[2026-08-10T08:48:56Z] <midfavila> i'm honestly 100% committed to making the uconsole a practical-ish smartphone replacement 
[2026-08-10T08:49:02Z] <dery> need
[2026-08-10T08:49:03Z] <midfavila> it's /so close/ even as is
[2026-08-10T08:49:17Z] <dery> make kissers proud
[2026-08-10T08:49:30Z] <midfavila> talk+text+data+gps, modular internals, open source hardware for pretty much everything important
[2026-08-10T08:49:52Z] <midfavila> the main issue is a) they haven't made the source available in an easy to find format for the r01 and b) am brainlet
[2026-08-10T08:49:55Z] <midfavila> but like the vibes are there
[2026-08-10T08:50:13Z] <dery> yessssss
[2026-08-10T08:50:13Z] <midfavila> i've already written a few programs for the uconsole that i've been using at work 
[2026-08-10T08:50:54Z] <dery> ughhh if only I wasn't a neetlet
[2026-08-10T08:50:56Z] <midfavila> i convinced the ops team to migrate everything to a sql database a while ago and so they're just using web apps with templates to generate the necessary sql commands and shit 
[2026-08-10T08:50:59Z] <midfavila> but like
[2026-08-10T08:51:05Z] <midfavila> everyone is just using their fucking smartphones with these webapps
[2026-08-10T08:51:07Z] <dery> I mean they are also out of stock so
[2026-08-10T08:51:08Z] <midfavila> and it's slow as shit
[2026-08-10T08:51:26Z] <midfavila> yeah unfortunately clockworkpi has been overrun by r/raspberrypi and r/cyberdeck
[2026-08-10T08:51:31Z] <dery> pain
[2026-08-10T08:51:47Z] <midfavila> they've discontinued(?)/paused production of everything other than their cm4 module atm afaik
[2026-08-10T08:52:07Z] <midfavila> because the only thing anyone is ordering are the cm4 adapters and it's like...
[2026-08-10T08:52:19Z] <midfavila> dude why can't we have something /other/ than the raspberry pi
[2026-08-10T08:52:25Z] <midfavila> like it's cool that it's an option don't get me wrong
[2026-08-10T08:52:32Z] <midfavila> i'm going to get one eventually 
[2026-08-10T08:52:50Z] <midfavila> but like shouldn't we be excited that there's a functioning risc-v linux handheld on the market for a pretty reasonable price???
[2026-08-10T08:53:14Z] <midfavila> moreover, one that can drive external displays, peripherals, etcetera
[2026-08-10T08:53:26Z] <midfavila> bwah 
[2026-08-10T08:53:28Z] <dery> I am so tired of raspis
[2026-08-10T08:53:28Z] <midfavila> either way it's nifty 
[2026-08-10T08:53:32Z] <midfavila> raspis are so shit
[2026-08-10T08:53:35Z] <midfavila> first of all
[2026-08-10T08:53:39Z] <midfavila> they aren't even close to open source
[2026-08-10T08:53:40Z] <midfavila> let alone libre
[2026-08-10T08:53:49Z] <midfavila> you can't even run a libre userspace 
[2026-08-10T08:53:57Z] <dery> what was it, broadcom?
[2026-08-10T08:54:00Z] <midfavila> second of all they're insanely fucking expensive now
[2026-08-10T08:54:01Z] <midfavila> i think so 
[2026-08-10T08:54:04Z] <midfavila> one of those ones that's shit 
[2026-08-10T08:54:15Z] <midfavila> i don't know why linux manufacturers would ever use anything other than atheros at this point
[2026-08-10T08:54:24Z] <dery> genuinely no idea
[2026-08-10T08:54:38Z] <dery> altho I can tell that for some cursed reason the QCN5502 isn't supported for like, 2.4GHz
[2026-08-10T08:54:44Z] <dery> ask me how I know
[2026-08-10T08:54:54Z] <midfavila> but yeah raspis are like 300usd now or some shit according to a fren of mine irl who was going to get one
[2026-08-10T08:54:57Z] <midfavila> let me check actually
[2026-08-10T08:55:04Z] <dery> what even is the point at that price
[2026-08-10T08:55:08Z] <dery> just... broken laptop
[2026-08-10T08:55:12Z] <dery> unironically
[2026-08-10T08:55:18Z] <midfavila> 305usd 
[2026-08-10T08:55:21Z] <midfavila> jesus fucking christ
[2026-08-10T08:55:22Z] <dery> ffs
[2026-08-10T08:55:25Z] <dery> thin client
[2026-08-10T08:55:28Z] <dery> anything else
[2026-08-10T08:55:29Z] <midfavila> 16gb of memory 
[2026-08-10T08:55:32Z] <midfavila> what the fuck
[2026-08-10T08:55:39Z] <dery> you can get better compute thrown at you at this point
[2026-08-10T08:55:50Z] <midfavila> the point of the raspberry pi is that it's supposed to be cheap, versatile, and easy to tinker with, not that it's a full fucking computer
[2026-08-10T08:56:13Z] <dery> I mean, we also got the fancy esp32 which are hella powerful
[2026-08-10T08:56:27Z] <dery> the raspi at this point has much more specific usecases
[2026-08-10T08:56:35Z] <midfavila> i think the esp32 is going to be the next thing
[2026-08-10T08:56:35Z] <midfavila> tbh
[2026-08-10T08:56:37Z] <dery> than it did when there were only arduinos
[2026-08-10T08:56:41Z] <dery> they already are
[2026-08-10T08:56:43Z] <midfavila> and like, good, tbh
[2026-08-10T08:56:48Z] <dery> miracle boards
[2026-08-10T08:56:52Z] <dery> them and them picos
[2026-08-10T08:56:55Z] <midfavila> they're actually affordable and they're more than enough for real shit 
[2026-08-10T08:57:14Z] <midfavila> that reminds me, my esp32 ereader should be coming in the post this month
[2026-08-10T08:57:19Z] <dery> lesss gooooo
[2026-08-10T08:57:23Z] <dery> I love ereaders
[2026-08-10T08:57:34Z] <dery> I only wish I didn't put my only one in my backpack unprotected and smashed it
[2026-08-10T08:57:40Z] <midfavila> https://diptyx.dev/
[2026-08-10T08:57:40Z] <dery> (the case was moldy, yes I am stupid)
[2026-08-10T08:57:43Z] <midfavila> get this one
[2026-08-10T08:57:44Z] <midfavila> :3ccc
[2026-08-10T08:57:47Z] <dery> omg
[2026-08-10T08:57:52Z] <dery> that's sooo cool
[2026-08-10T08:57:56Z] <dery> big need
[2026-08-10T08:58:12Z] <dery> I need a job aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[2026-08-10T08:58:13Z] <midfavila> i emailed the guy making it about the possibility of either a diptyx pro with stylus support or a separate diptyx e-pad 
[2026-08-10T08:58:19Z] <midfavila> like those sharp electronic paper pads
[2026-08-10T08:58:30Z] <midfavila> and he was like "yo that's so fucking cool we're gonna do that for sure"
[2026-08-10T08:58:45Z] <midfavila> idk if that's still the plan because that exchange was like a year and change ago but i sure hope it is
[2026-08-10T08:58:49Z] <dery> why isn't this the norm ffs
[2026-08-10T08:58:53Z] <dery> please more more more more
[2026-08-10T08:59:04Z] <midfavila> because it's not profitable to make good hardware and software 
[2026-08-10T08:59:26Z] <midfavila> fortunately, something something the means of production have advanced sufficiently something something
[2026-08-10T08:59:40Z] <dery> hackers of the world or something
[2026-08-10T08:59:42Z] <midfavila> now regular people can sort of make their own stuff and just rent manufacturing time 
[2026-08-10T08:59:58Z] <dery> damn the rendering quality of this thing is crazy
[2026-08-10T09:00:08Z] <dery> I remember an older one, what was it
[2026-08-10T09:00:09Z] <dery> feather based
[2026-08-10T09:00:14Z] <dery> feather-based
[2026-08-10T09:00:26Z] <dery> and it was way more bsaic
[2026-08-10T09:00:29Z] <dery> basic even
[2026-08-10T09:00:30Z] <midfavila> openbook
[2026-08-10T09:00:32Z] <midfavila> it's coming out soon 
[2026-08-10T09:00:43Z] <midfavila> but the design was reworked to be capacitive touch based
[2026-08-10T09:00:46Z] <midfavila> and like fuck off
[2026-08-10T09:00:54Z] <midfavila> i want BUTTONS
[2026-08-10T09:00:57Z] <dery> wym, isn't it like old
[2026-08-10T09:01:01Z] <dery> or did they make a new version
[2026-08-10T09:01:04Z] <midfavila> the original prototype is
[2026-08-10T09:01:11Z] <midfavila> but the mfger is making a new one yes
[2026-08-10T09:01:14Z] <midfavila> it's on crowdsupply
[2026-08-10T09:01:23Z] <dery> oh nice
[2026-08-10T09:01:28Z] <dery> well variety is good
[2026-08-10T09:01:37Z] <midfavila> https://www.crowdsupply.com/oddly-specific-objects/open-book-touch
[2026-08-10T09:01:41Z] <dery> and I guess you can do fancy stuff with a capacitive screen
[2026-08-10T09:01:44Z] <dery> wouldn't mind tbh
[2026-08-10T09:01:49Z] <dery> I miss a dictionary at hand all the time
[2026-08-10T09:01:52Z] <midfavila> yeah like don't get me wrong i love that open source hardware and software is being made more and more viable 
[2026-08-10T09:02:21Z] <midfavila> hopefully in a few years from now the oshwa ecosystem and libre software specifically will be robust enough for people to mostly be able to live outside of the conventional tech industry 
[2026-08-10T09:02:36Z] <dery> wellll
[2026-08-10T09:02:42Z] <dery> how will you do captchas????
[2026-08-10T09:02:48Z] <midfavila> i mean in terms of employment lol
[2026-08-10T09:02:55Z] <dery> the qr shit started appearing to me too ffs
[2026-08-10T09:03:04Z] <dery> I could go to the "eye" mode but can't wait to be left out
[2026-08-10T09:03:16Z] <dery> in terms of employment?
[2026-08-10T09:03:18Z] <dery> wym
[2026-08-10T09:03:29Z] <dery> aren't jobs like super picky with their hardware and stuff usually
[2026-08-10T09:03:46Z] <midfavila> like ideally people will be able to either start small companies and shit that are run as co-ops or similar
[2026-08-10T09:03:52Z] <midfavila> and they just do libre and open source stuff
[2026-08-10T09:03:58Z] <midfavila> like MNT for example
[2026-08-10T09:04:37Z] <midfavila> i want to see all kinds of MNTs out there making all kinds of weird shit and earning enough to provide decent employment to more and more hobbyists 
[2026-08-10T09:04:41Z] <dery> yesss
[2026-08-10T09:04:48Z] <midfavila> so you can get a decent job in technology without having to work on the torment nexus 
[2026-08-10T09:05:04Z] <dery> let's pray
[2026-08-10T09:05:10Z] <dery> (not literally like)
[2026-08-10T09:05:15Z] <dery> (you get it I think)
[2026-08-10T09:05:19Z] <midfavila> i get it :P 
[2026-08-10T09:05:58Z] <midfavila> but yeah idk if i could just spend my entire career working on like, idk
[2026-08-10T09:06:03Z] <midfavila> hyperbk or qbe 
[2026-08-10T09:06:07Z] <midfavila> or whatever
[2026-08-10T09:06:10Z] <midfavila> i would be pretty pleased
[2026-08-10T09:06:41Z] <midfavila> it's not like i need a ton of money anyway so w/e
[2026-08-10T09:06:50Z] <dery> I really hope I can get even a chance of working on freedesktop stuff
[2026-08-10T09:07:37Z] <midfavila> as a job or just in general?
[2026-08-10T09:07:40Z] <dery> job
[2026-08-10T09:07:45Z] * midfavila nodnods
[2026-08-10T09:07:52Z] <dery> I already kinda do that, altho Wayland is a deeeeeeeeep rabbit hole
[2026-08-10T09:08:01Z] <dery> would like to make godot as flatpak-aware as possible
[2026-08-10T09:08:04Z] <dery> with portals and stuff
[2026-08-10T09:08:28Z] <dery> kinda sad that technology discourse has become either "tiktok brainrot torment nexus surveillance" or "hide in a hut and be free"
[2026-08-10T09:08:32Z] <midfavila> whatever works. as long as it helps build an alternative economy 
[2026-08-10T09:08:52Z] <midfavila> well idk if enough people hide in the hut then they can make more huts and more other things for more people and like
[2026-08-10T09:08:55Z] <midfavila> stuff
[2026-08-10T09:08:58Z] <midfavila> ape weak
[2026-08-10T09:09:01Z] <midfavila> apeapeapeape strong
[2026-08-10T09:09:18Z] <dery> more like, I appreciate your positive point of view in these times
[2026-08-10T09:09:26Z] <dery> and these projects are really inspiring
[2026-08-10T09:09:40Z] <midfavila> fair
[2026-08-10T09:09:47Z] <midfavila> i think people just need a little ambition, in tech
[2026-08-10T09:09:52Z] <midfavila> like just start co-ops man
[2026-08-10T09:09:59Z] <midfavila> do the thing
[2026-08-10T09:10:16Z] <midfavila> it's not an end goal, but it's a good start
[2026-08-10T09:10:47Z] <midfavila> i have a sudden and overwhelming desire for a hamburger
[2026-08-10T09:10:47Z] <dery> dunno if that's common but like I feel super lost in general
[2026-08-10T09:10:55Z] <dery> even just the idea of co-ops is so mysterious to me
[2026-08-10T09:11:06Z] <dery> despite having heard stuff in a talk
[2026-08-10T09:11:27Z] <dery> and I mean, I get lost even just thinking about where to... job
[2026-08-10T09:11:49Z] <midfavila> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asYtw8_CfBw
[2026-08-10T09:12:04Z] <midfavila> this video isn't 100% perfect but it's a pretty good basic explanation of the origin of co-ops as we know them today 
[2026-08-10T09:12:14Z] <dery> I can think of three places tops that do something even remotely related to my experience and even then if I go on their websites they don't seem to have positions open for anything I do
[2026-08-10T09:12:25Z] <midfavila> they mostly tend to pop up as food and finance institutions but there are lots of other sorts of co-ops
[2026-08-10T09:12:36Z] <midfavila> yeah there's no work publically right now
[2026-08-10T09:13:12Z] <midfavila> but basically, a co-op is just an institution where the people who receive the goods and services from the institution are the ones who control the institution 
[2026-08-10T09:13:29Z] <midfavila> usually it's done by selling or giving away one share to each member of the co-op so that everyone can run the organisation democratically 
[2026-08-10T09:13:53Z] <midfavila> there are both worker co-ops and member co-ops, as well as multi-stakeholder co-ops, which sort of merge the two 
[2026-08-10T09:14:05Z] <midfavila> worker co-ops, primarily, exist to provide employment for the people who work there
[2026-08-10T09:14:14Z] <midfavila> a good example is the toronto bike shop urbane cyclist 
[2026-08-10T09:14:37Z] <midfavila> consumer co-ops exist to provide goods and services other than employment to a group of people 
[2026-08-10T09:14:43Z] <midfavila> for example, grocery shops or credit unions 
[2026-08-10T09:15:00Z] <midfavila> so, as an example, the food co-op i shop at doesn't always have everything i need
[2026-08-10T09:15:09Z] <midfavila> but unlike a regular shop i can just... have them stock what i want 
[2026-08-10T09:15:21Z] <midfavila> as long as there are enough people among the membership who want that
[2026-08-10T09:15:32Z] <dery> wait it doesn't work like this for normal shops???
[2026-08-10T09:15:39Z] <dery> like, if enough people want something they stock that????
[2026-08-10T09:15:42Z] <midfavila> and even if not, i can still use the infrastructure of the co-op for myself. so i can get distributor rates for myself
[2026-08-10T09:15:46Z] <midfavila> well, yes and no
[2026-08-10T09:15:54Z] <midfavila> regular grocery stores operate in pursuit of profit alone
[2026-08-10T09:16:06Z] <midfavila> if lots of people want them to stock something, but it wouldn't be profitable enough for the shop, then it won't happen 
[2026-08-10T09:16:29Z] <midfavila> a consumer co-op, meanwhile, operates specifically to provide goods and services, with no concern for profit 
[2026-08-10T09:16:39Z] <midfavila> so it can do things differently than major grocery chains
[2026-08-10T09:17:46Z] <dery> that's so cool
[2026-08-10T09:19:00Z] <midfavila> yah
[2026-08-10T09:19:04Z] <midfavila> you can do other things too
[2026-08-10T09:19:06Z] <midfavila> for example, 
[2026-08-10T09:19:13Z] <midfavila> one of the things that we've been discussing is just
[2026-08-10T09:19:16Z] <midfavila> >being open 24/7
[2026-08-10T09:19:23Z] <midfavila> we can just
[2026-08-10T09:19:24Z] <midfavila> do that
[2026-08-10T09:19:28Z] <midfavila> 'cause we want it
[2026-08-10T09:21:09Z] <dery> really cool stuff
[2026-08-10T09:21:20Z] <dery> still wondering why the fuck it isn't more common
[2026-08-10T09:21:23Z] <dery> like yea capitalism and stuff
[2026-08-10T09:21:29Z] <midfavila> because you have to actually be involved with it
[2026-08-10T09:21:57Z] <midfavila> you also have to co-operate with lots of other people and that can sometimes lead to conflict
[2026-08-10T09:22:23Z] <midfavila> fwiw by "be involved" i mean that a lot of the time co-ops rely on their membership for free labour or whatever in order to subsidise their own services
[2026-08-10T09:22:26Z] <midfavila> so by that i mean like
[2026-08-10T09:22:31Z] <midfavila> once in a while everyone will come clean out the shop
[2026-08-10T09:22:46Z] <midfavila> or they'll have a couple of people on rotation to take out the trash every couple weeks instead of paying a commercial service for it
[2026-08-10T09:22:49Z] <midfavila> etc
[2026-08-10T09:23:23Z] <kris_> hiii dery
[2026-08-10T09:23:44Z] <midfavila> panda kris_ meet bnuuy dery
[2026-08-10T09:23:51Z] <midfavila> kris is a panda now btw 
[2026-08-10T09:23:52Z] <midfavila> :3ccc
[2026-08-10T09:24:08Z] <kris_> i am not
[2026-08-10T09:24:12Z] <midfavila> are too
[2026-08-10T09:24:16Z] <kris_> i am a big guy anarchy minecraft player
[2026-08-10T09:24:25Z] <midfavila> be good or i'm putting you back on the top of the fridge until you calm down 
[2026-08-10T09:24:57Z] <kris_> ill fucken jump
[2026-08-10T09:25:05Z] <midfavila> nawhr
[2026-08-10T09:25:08Z] <midfavila> you won't
[2026-08-10T09:27:01Z] <dery> hiiiii kris_ 
[2026-08-10T09:27:31Z] <kris_> whats up
[2026-08-10T09:33:31Z] <dery> going on
[2026-08-10T09:33:35Z] <dery> nothing new, nothing old
[2026-08-10T09:33:40Z] <dery> sorry for the delay I am multitasking
[2026-08-10T09:34:42Z] <midfavila> how dare
[2026-08-10T09:47:40Z] <stilic> dery: that's what i did
[2026-08-10T09:55:41Z] <dery> which one of the two
[2026-08-10T09:55:44Z] <dery> post-install or a hook
[2026-08-10T09:56:59Z] <dery> ftr it's not out of the ordinary at all 
[2026-08-10T09:57:08Z] <dery> I feel like I gotta point you to kiss-xorg if you don't know that already
[2026-08-10T09:57:24Z] <dery> apparently the abiword package there regenerates icons in a post-install
[2026-08-10T09:57:34Z] <dery> https://github.com/echawk/kiss-xorg
[2026-08-10T09:58:01Z] <dery> there's also xfce4
[2026-08-10T09:59:20Z] <nona111> i am using kiss wayland with sway and dwl
[2026-08-10T09:59:40Z] <nona111> i want to use kiss-xorg instead
[2026-08-10T09:59:56Z] <nona111> so do i have to manually remove all the wayland packages beforehand ?
[2026-08-10T14:19:27Z] <stilic> dery: post-install
[2026-08-10T20:05:11Z] <dery> nice